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 SeaCatcher
Joined: 9/11/2011
Msg: 151
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85032luck is absolutely right as far as I'm concerned. I'm quoting him because what he says bears reading again: sex on the first date [has nothing to do with her morals... believe it or not some women want sex on the first night as well.
now a guy may say she's a whore cuz she slept with him the first night, however he was there too having sex with her, which makes him a manwhore.
what makes him stick around or want to build a relationship, more of what she looks like in the morning and how she performs in the sack, if she rocked his world -he definately will come back for more, and more and more. ]
 BMB81
Joined: 1/2/2012
Msg: 152
sex on the first date
Posted: 2/1/2012 5:42:21 PM
Don't do it, just lie and say you're on your period and can't if you actually like him. Unless, he's a dirty sailor named Eric, then he'll want to do it even more. Seriously, I slept with a sailor named Eric on the first date and I was like, yea, I'm never going to see you again, it was weird for me. Then a month or so later, we talked again, we started seeing each other. Apparently every woman he'd ever had a relationship with he slept with the first night, guess he wanted to see if the sex was good enough to keep her around. Would probably still be seeing him to this day if he didn't get different orders. Things just work out sometimes, but I would definitely tell most women not to do it because you just don't know. You need to get to know someone first or the sex is just meaningless. I waited a while before I slept with my ex husband and it lasted ten years, so there ya go. It's just my opinion though.
 goodkindacrazy
Joined: 3/3/2009
Msg: 153
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Posted: 2/1/2012 8:21:32 PM

If you really had taken that seriously, you'd realize that you had sex with him because you liked him and wanted to have sex with him. Instead, you had sex with him because you expected something more than just sex. If you only have sex when you want sex and you don't expect anything else, you can never go wrong because you'll always get exactly what you expected.


So your answer is to never have any expectations so I won't be disappointed? That just won't work for me. I will always have expectations. I don't expect a guarantee of any kind of relationship. I do expect to enjoy the sex. I also expect not to be thought a whore because I want to enjoy sex even on the first night. I don't think that is too much to ask for.


Apparently, you both did do what you both wanted to do. Your objection is that you didn't get more than that out of it.


My objection was that he now considered me less than someone who would have made him wait.


What difference does it make if you read on the forums or found out through personal experience that there are men with that attitude? Does that change your mind about not wanting to date men with that attitude? If you don't want to date men with that attitude (and you shouldn't want to), then you don't want to, regardless of whether or not you read that there are men with that attitude.


Because I find sex gets better with someone over time, I would prefer a steady partner than a string of one night stands. If I play it safe and hold off I may not find out that he subscribes to the double standard. If I do find out later, I may decide that all of his good qualities out weight that. Also, while I know I shouldn't, there is a part of me that cares what other people think of me. So while I might not like rules, I will play by them.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 154
sex on the first date
Posted: 2/1/2012 8:54:57 PM
So your answer is to never have any expectations so I won't be disappointed? That just won't work for me. I will always have expectations.

No, my answer is to not overvalue something to the extent that your expectations are unrealistic. You may expect to buy a house for a dollar, but the fact is, you'll wait a long time if you're holding out for a one dollar house.

I don't expect a guarantee of any kind of relationship. I do expect to enjoy the sex. I also expect not to be thought a whore because I want to enjoy sex even on the first night. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

No, it's not, unreasonable, but what you're advocating is catering to those who would think of you that way because you had sex and you didn't get a guarantee of a relationship.

Because I find sex gets better with someone over time, I would prefer a steady partner than a string of one night stands.

Why are those things mutually exclusive? Nothing stops you from having sex when you want to have sex and developing a relationship when one develops. I've had several one night stands turn into relationships.

If I play it safe and hold off I may not find out that he subscribes to the double standard. If I do find out later, I may decide that all of his good qualities out weight that.

That means you're just helping to perpetuate that double standard.

Also, while I know I shouldn't, there is a part of me that cares what other people think of me. So while I might not like rules, I will play by them.

In that case, you're accepting the rules other people impose on you and you have no reason to complain. As I see it, no matter what I do, someone won't like me because of it, so I might as well do what I want to do.
 Lickmiester
Joined: 1/21/2012
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Posted: 2/1/2012 10:07:43 PM
I agree with you but when does too soon end? Is the second or third date the same? I personally judge each situation on its own merrit. If I go out with a girl and she wants to have sex and I dont. What would be her thoughts of me? She would probably think I didnt see her as attractive enough.

My guess is the biggest players wait a couple of dates and then push the pedel to the metal. Who's to say when the right time is but my guess is that its at least the 4th or 5th date if not longer:)
 goodkindacrazy
Joined: 3/3/2009
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Posted: 2/2/2012 8:36:42 AM
Why are those things mutually exclusive? Nothing stops you from having sex when you want to have sex and developing a relationship when one develops. I've had several one night stands turn into relationships.



That means you're just helping to perpetuate that double standard.


I am not going into it thinking that this is just going to be a one night stand and then later realizing that I want more. I already know that I find more enjoyment in a steady relationship. I choose not to risk eliminating the possibility of much more enjoyable encounters later down the road. As for helping to perpetuate the double standard I don't think I am. I feel I have a better chance of changing that persons mind if I am around long enough for him to get to know me and see for himself that just because a woman will have sex on a first date it doesn't make her less of a person. Lets say that I do have sex on the first date and never see him again because he ascribes to that double standard, what have I accomplished? He will still ascribe to that double standard and I will have no chance of changing his mind, plus I will have yet another one night stand under my belt.

Edited to add:

In that case, you're accepting the rules other people impose on you and you have no reason to complain. As I see it, no matter what I do, someone won't like me because of it, so I might as well do what I want to do.


Of course I have the right to complain. Isn't it in the constitution? (JK) Seriously, society puts in place all kinds of rules and if I don't like certain rules I prefer to work within the system to change those rules. Open rebellion would be a last resort for me. That is not to say that I won't ever side step some of those rules.
 LMO1190
Joined: 12/24/2010
Msg: 157
sex on the first date
Posted: 2/2/2012 10:41:08 AM
Good for you, Why bullshit ??? :O)
 angela566
Joined: 1/15/2012
Msg: 158
sex on the first date
Posted: 2/2/2012 11:20:39 AM
yep. call her a whore and get tested for std's.
i think its dirty and disgusting and morally wrong to sleep with some one on first date.
a guy has to respect you and actually think if he wants to be wioth you and take you home to meet family etc.
like really, going to spread your legs as soon as you meet the guy?
may as well work the streets
 christyis4real
Joined: 7/6/2011
Msg: 159
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Posted: 2/2/2012 1:38:15 PM
<----------is a wannabe hooker (according to the clueless one above me)


I am sorry, but what world do you friggin live in? Get real.
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 160
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Posted: 2/2/2012 2:04:42 PM
It's the ones who trade sex for respect, security,love and a relationship that are the whores...they have sex in EXCHANGE for another thing be it feelings or whatever.

The women who have sex because they WANT to are the only ones who aren't whores. They aren't using it as a commodity.
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 161
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Posted: 2/2/2012 2:40:01 PM

The women who have sex because they WANT to are the only ones who aren't whores.

Can we perhaps upate that to clarify that we're talking about women who KNOW what they hell they're doing and WHY they're doing it... rather than some women who thinks (at the moment) that she WANTs to have sex, and then changes her reasoning behind it after the fact... or is doing it for the wrong reasons (ie desperation, naive, clingy, (insert whatever bad reason here)
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 162
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Posted: 2/2/2012 2:45:16 PM
^^^^ Definitely! But wouldn't those wishy-washy ones be excluded from the category of women who WANT to? ...Simply because the wishy-washy ones don't really know what they want or why...
 Big_fun_wave
Joined: 2/28/2009
Msg: 163
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:35:34 PM
It's the ones who trade sex for respect, security,love and a relationship that are the whores...they have sex in EXCHANGE for another thing be it feelings or whatever.

The women who have sex because they WANT to are the only ones who aren't whores. They aren't using it as a commodity.

Hey jco, you should offer to be angela566's tutor. Her and the many other woman who think like her, are living in an unrealistic dreamworld. A world they think should revolve solely around them.
 redsox322
Joined: 11/3/2011
Msg: 164
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:59:05 PM
I will be honest im ridiculously guilty of this. For some reason I still feel like im in the party mode and maybe slightly liberated. If I want to screw I am going to screw. Call me a whore but everyone does it lol
 Big_fun_wave
Joined: 2/28/2009
Msg: 165
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Posted: 2/2/2012 4:20:09 PM
I will be honest im ridiculously guilty of this. For some reason I still feel like im in the party mode and maybe slightly liberated. If I want to screw I am going to screw. Call me a whore but everyone does it lol

Trust me domo, there's nothing wrong with that. Makes perfect sense. People who are horny and constantly search and expect for more prior to sex, have an inferiority complex going on.
 HeartOn64
Joined: 1/24/2012
Msg: 166
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Posted: 2/3/2012 2:44:07 AM
It's the ones who trade sex for respect, security,love and a relationship that are the whores...they have sex in EXCHANGE for another thing be it feelings or whatever.
The women who have sex because they WANT to are the only ones who aren't whores. They aren't using it as a commodity.



Can we perhaps upate that to clarify that we're talking about women who KNOW what they hell they're doing and WHY they're doing it... rather than some women who thinks (at the moment) that she WANTs to have sex, and then changes her reasoning behind it after the fact... or is doing it for the wrong reasons (ie desperation, naive, clingy, (insert whatever bad reason here)


I can't tell which one of you is less sensitive or rationalizing most when it comes to your cleary heartless attitudes towards women and sex and love.But I'd venture to ask,and what of the MEN who think that sex mean's nothing but a way to get off and could care less about a woman's feelings.Or the reality that you guys know the only way you should even be having sex with us is if you give a sh*t and don't just exploit our emotions knowing full well that as women,having meaningless sex isn't our goal! Anymore than you schmoozing us to get laid just to turn around and "change your mind" and be hit it and quit it WHORES yourselves!

I think the true whores are men who take full advantage of the fact that you realize that there should be some sort of emotional exchange between two people before sex even happens,but are too selfish and full of yourselves to consider taking a decent route to our p*ssies and sticking around after you "got some"!

What happened to CARING about us as people before you stick your d*cks in us.We ARE human beings with hearts ya' know! Sorry I can't say the same for 'men' with your attitudes!

Sure,we women tend to not be able to compartmentalize love and sex like some of you men can,but that does NOT make us "Whores" in anyway shape or form.
If anyone is "f*cked up" it's you men.Yeah,I said it!

And what of the men who LIE to get what they want sexually speaking?
They don't use fake emotion as a commodity to get laid?

Talk about intentional manipulation.

I say we women STOP putting out at ALL until men learn to respect us as HUMAN BEINGS and not cum buckets for thier emotional unavailabilty!

Have a nice day.............."gentlemen"

ps....that man in my picture is one of the decent ones.I had sex with him the first night and guess what? He never left my home.He and I have been IN LOVE for the past 3 years and he actually respected me MORE after we had sex.

Whaddaya know!
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 167
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Posted: 2/3/2012 5:02:59 AM
^^^^ Oh what a juicy post! It's gonna be fun chewing it up!


I'd venture to ask,and what of the MEN who think that sex mean's nothing but a way to get off and could care less about a woman's feelings

That's YOU projecting, no one ever said anything about not caring about their feelings...personally I won't deal with a woman who can't make her own decisions.


Or the reality that you guys know the only way you should even be having sex with us is if you give a sh*t and don't just exploit our emotions knowing full well that as women,having meaningless sex isn't our goal!

You're one of the women who can't seem to separate sex from love...many women CAN...you shouldn't speak for them, they are stronger than you and can make their own choices!


Anymore than you schmoozing us to get laid just to turn around and "change your mind" and be hit it and quit it WHORES yourselves!
Again, this is your projection...my guess is that since you view sex as a commodity, you've been played by many men who know that game...if you have sex ONLY when you want and not when you think you're getting something in return you won't be able to be played! Strong women know this and actually scare the players...


I think the true whores are men who take full advantage of the fact that you realize that there should be some sort of emotional exchange between two people before sex even happens,but are too selfish and full of yourselves to consider taking a decent route to our p*ssies and sticking around after you "got some"!


Again...you're projecting what happened to you onto all other male/female encounters... There by NO means needs to be an emotional connection in order to have sex...your belief that there should is what keeps you vulnerable.


What happened to CARING about us as people before you stick your d*cks in us.We ARE human beings with hearts ya' know! Sorry I can't say the same for 'men' with your attitudes!
So you're saying that women as a whole cannot make decisions on their own? I happen to know plenty of women whom just want sex and nothing else...do they need some sort of representative to tell them they aren't allowed to make their own decisions? See, it's women with your attitude that want to hold truly independent women back out of jealousy...you'll call strong women sluts to try and shame them into participating in your GAME!


Sure,we women tend to not be able to compartmentalize love and sex like some of you men can,but that does NOT make us "Whores" in anyway shape or form.
If anyone is "f*cked up" it's you men.Yeah,I said it!
No...many women CAN see the difference between love and sex...and what I said makes women whores is when they expect to GET something in exchange for sex!


And what of the men who LIE to get what they want sexually speaking?
They don't use fake emotion as a commodity to get laid?
What about them?
Mchurch and I aren't advocating lying to women....I happen to be very upfront to women...that's why I've had many FB's/ FWB's instead of mini pseudo romances...I told them nothing was gonna go long term and they chose to still be friends and have sex.

The ONLY way you could've ever been played...is if a man promised to give you something for sex and then reneged.... Next time you decide to TRADE sex for something...write up a receipt and transfer of goods/services contract, then if he doesn't hold up his end, take him to court!
...If this is happening to you, STOP having sex when you don't WANT to! It's THAT simple!



I say we women STOP putting out at ALL until men learn to respect us as HUMAN BEINGS and not cum buckets for thier emotional unavailabilty!

YOU SAY? Wow! Who voted you in to speak for all women? You would LOVE for all women to want to see sex as a commodity! A pu$$y embargo to raise your value huh? LOL Strong women don't need YOUR help to raise their value! And they don't need some guy to say they love them in order for them to not feel shame for wanting sex.

Independent/Confident Women who have sex (or not) based ONLY on their desire...not to GET something...they have sex for pure enjoyment in OR out of a relationship.
They are secure in their wants, needs, desires and don't make excuses. They certainly don't care what society thinks and laugh at other women who are intimidated by them due to jealousy.
 cautiousluv
Joined: 10/4/2008
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Posted: 2/3/2012 8:29:27 AM

One guy even told me, after the sex of course, that he wouldn't see me any more because I put out too soon. Why did I have sex on the first date?


You should have asked him why HE had sex on the first date....and you should have told him that you really aren't into dating manwhores anyway.


If you only have sex when you want sex and you don't expect anything else, you can never go wrong because you'll always get exactly what you expected.


Actually, I agree with this 100%


If it happens the night was worth it and there is no further drama since I am not going to pursue a relationship with a girl who puts out on the first date. If she can resist when we get hot and heated on the first date then that moves her up the chain and gives her more longterm potential.


I would be willing to bet money that men with this kind of mentality really SUCK in bed (no pun intended)


Don't do it, just lie and say you're on your period and can't if you actually like him.

Most men probably wouldn't even care. lol
 CheezyChick
Joined: 9/23/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2012 8:48:16 AM

honestly if a women sleeps with u on the first date, do u look at her as a whore?? or is she still "girlfriend material" ... do u automatically think she does this on all her first dates??

If a man has this mentality, he's not someone I'd be interested in having anything more than sex with anyway.
 deerdog1
Joined: 12/29/2006
Msg: 170
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Posted: 2/3/2012 9:09:47 AM
if a woman sleeps with me on the first date ...I think ..darn I must be one charming guy to charm the pants off of this dish in such a short time ..I also think darn this gal knows what she wants and if what she wants is me I am going to stick around and give her more of it
 redsox322
Joined: 11/3/2011
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Posted: 2/3/2012 9:21:48 AM
Sex and love arent the same lol. Sex is fun love most times isnt in my experience lol. Sex at least for the most part doesnt hurt. Im pretty sure love has hurt tons more people than good sex lol
 MedMan22
Joined: 11/15/2011
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Posted: 2/3/2012 9:27:18 AM
If it happens on the first date then there was some serious chemistry. But no, if she sleeps with me on the first date, I do not look at her any less, and I'm 31 yrs old.
 MsBeave
Joined: 11/8/2010
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Posted: 2/3/2012 9:52:53 AM
If I have sex on the first or second date, it's because I'm horny and don't see the man as relationship potential so if he thinks I'm a slut or a whore it's irrelevant.

My former lover who works in law enforcement, once interrogated (yes interrogated) just as I was close to climax to see if I have sex with everyone by the second date. It may have been my most honest moment with him, it's impossible to be dishonest during aggressive intercourse with someone who has interrogation skills. He never got over my full answer. And I never got over the fact he tried to have sex with me on the first date with the pretense he was looking for a relationship.
 deerdog1
Joined: 12/29/2006
Msg: 174
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Posted: 2/3/2012 10:05:47 AM
if i try to have sex with you on the first date its because I want you ..if I dont want you for sex its a sure bet I dont want you for anything else either..now I understand If you have reservations and dont want to have sex as soon ..but Im a guy who wont pass up an opportunity to try to get what I want ..and I dont want sex with anyone I dont deem relationship material
 HeartOn64
Joined: 1/24/2012
Msg: 175
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Posted: 2/3/2012 10:25:45 AM
I don't want sex with anyone I don't deem relationship material


And that's the difference between you and some other men.


If I have sex on the first or second date, it's because I'm horny and don't see the man as relationship potential so if he thinks I'm a slut or a whore it's irrelevant.

If you can't beat 'em join them,ey?
That attitude sounds just as horrible coming from a woman as it does a man.

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