| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/17/2009 10:56:54 AM | GGarbo ,
That pretty much sums it up . Well done.
As well , Scorpionmover actually said something I agree with fully as well . You're paying for credentials , not necessarily an education.
Still , I make a distinction between the arts and the sciences and find that distinction no more clear-cut anywhere else than at a university. People with arts degrees are best described as indoctrinated rather than educated. Whatever intelligence they may or may not have is then framed by their credentials rather than their intellectual ability. | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/17/2009 12:51:22 PM |
I hope that makes some kind of sense.
No, it doesn't make sense. In order to ``think outside the box,'' you need to know what's alredy ``in the box'' so that you learn from others' misakes rather than repeat them because you never realized those ideas had already failed. | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/17/2009 1:17:26 PM |
No, it doesn't make sense. In order to ``think outside the box,'' you need to know what's alredy ``in the box'' so that you learn from others' misakes rather than repeat them because you never realized those ideas had already failed
I disagree, it's entirely dependent on the domain of knowledge you're hoping to progress. There is The Paradigm and a large part of academic progression involves learning to think and operate within it. By the time your Tenure comes up, you're pretty much wedded to it - your life's work supports it.
If you're talking about the stepwise progression of knowledge, within existing paradigms, then it's true, you do need formal training. If you're talking about break out of existing paradigms, then the walls of academia are often (but not always) confining. | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/17/2009 1:37:35 PM |
If you're talking about the stepwise progression of knowledge, within existing paradigms, then it's true, you do need formal training. If you're talking about break out of existing paradigms, then the walls of academia are often (but not always) confining.
I entirely agree, As examples, I'd suggest the Manhattan Project is typical of the former, but the Theories of Einstein and Tesla are examples of the second. | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/17/2009 3:08:29 PM | It's kind of a shame that many people think education is the same thing as intelligence.
Too true! Amongst "the masses" in general, there seems to be a confusion between the terms "intelligence" and "knowledge". Education can certainly increase the amount of knowledge in your head (i.e., your "data base"). But it's somewhat questionable as to whether or not education can actually increase your intelligence (i.e., the power of the "processor" inside your head). 
I'm reminded of the Scarecrow in "The Wizard of OZ" who wanted to have a brain. And when he received his "diploma", what did he do? He recited the Pythagorean Theorem!  | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/17/2009 6:00:20 PM | The answer to the OP question is nearly all of the great minds in science had a great deal of formal training. While it is true that most of the great theories in science were develop early in the composer's career(nearly all were less that 35 years old at the time of their idea), most were the product of what ever education system was available to them.
I don't see that changing, as Abelian posted, what remains to be discovered isn't going to be easy to find. 400 years of great minds have dedicated their lives to finding what we know. | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/18/2009 8:43:34 PM |
The answer to the OP question is nearly all of the great minds in science had a great deal of formal training. While it is true that most of the great theories in science were develop early in the composer's career(nearly all were less that 35 years old at the time of their idea), most were the product of what ever education system was available to them.
How much training did your prostitutes have?
(See his other posts)
lol..... | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/19/2009 1:25:58 AM | Oh please, don't even start the arguement about intelligent people and universities. For a handful of disciplines in university? Yes. The rest is just filler to make money. The world can always use more sicentists/physicians. People with a degree in Elizabethan poetry? No.
And it also begs the question if you mean great "academically" or "sucessfully" as in business. The former, definitely more higher education than not, the latter, much less. You don't need formal training to be rich, but I'll take a university educated physician any day over someone just guessing how to do it. | |
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| HOW MANY GREAT MINDS OF OUR TIME ...HAD FORMAL TRAINING
Posted: 6/20/2009 9:18:33 PM | | Foucault, Nietzsche, Derrida, Hooks, to name a few, were all formally educated. There are also many dopey people who somehow get by at the universities. There are naturally brilliant people but the university demands rigor and the results show. | |
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