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 ProdigalSon81

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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/13/2009 4:28:52 PM

Lesnar is probably the most hate UFC fighter next Diago Sanchez. Brock still think that being an ***hole, arrogant and**** builds fans. In the WWE that might work, but not the UFC. Fans like humble fighters with no excuses! Something Brock is not!


Brock angry!!!!! He's definitely the missing link to neanderthals.


In UFC you don't need fans, and judging by his post match interview, he likes the boos and those who don't like him will pay money to see him get beat, which means more buys & ticket sales.
 Ian1216

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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/13/2009 5:54:45 PM

and judging by his post match interview, he likes the boos and those who don't like him will pay money to see him get beat, which means more buys & ticket sales.


And this is whine in spite of his post match pr spin, deep down Dana is overjoyed because he knows it's just to result in more a's in the seats, more ppv buyrates, and of course more money in his pocket.
 bking3

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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/13/2009 6:20:43 PM
Brock may be one of the most hated men in UFC but it'll sell tickets and PPV like hell!

People will pay to see if anyone can shut him up and take his belt. It may not be the most classy thing but fans love it.
 Vanders Mark

Joined: 5/14/2009
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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/13/2009 10:42:01 PM

It may not be the most classy thing but fans love it.


Dumb fans love it...I watched it again...what a rediculously boring fight....
If you're tuning in just to see if he gets knocked out...you're probably wasting your money....look at the size of his neck....

That knee didn't even phase him....

Let me remind everyone...if Brock was the same size as all the other heavyweights he would get DESTROYED EVERY TIME....why anyone would want to see a technically inferior fighter dominate a division is beyond me.....

They need to do a TUF to find some super heavyweights and give this madness a rest...

Dana's got no integrity...he turned the weakest division into a big f*ckin' spectacle...line your fat pockets Mr. White....you might as well bring in more WWE stars....
 ProdigalSon81

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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 5:51:42 AM

Let me remind everyone...if Brock was the same size as all the other heavyweights he would get DESTROYED EVERY TIME....why anyone would want to see a technically inferior fighter dominate a division is beyond me.....


That's your opinion, not fact.

I'd guess people want to see someone get beat up & blood, not if they're technically sound or not. It's a business and controversy creates cash, it's a lot more lively & interesting than this rather than just fighter A vs. fighter B and will lead to more buyrates in the future.

Plus those who hate Brock will continue to shell out money each time to see him get his comeuppance which means more $$ for Dana White, which is what he wants, nothing wrong with that.
 Vanders Mark

Joined: 5/14/2009
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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 7:25:06 AM

Mir is no small fighter at around 250 and he was supposedly sooo much more talented.


The thing that you don't point out is that Mir doesn't cut weight....he's 245 by fight time....Lesnar is at LEAST 280 if not 290 by fight time...relatively speaking he's not so big now is he?

In fact....screw weight classes all together....I say get Patrick Cote in with Lesnar...after watching him take those shots from Silva....I say he's got the best chance of knocking that guy out


We'll see if Fedor can do anything with the big galute.


More like we'll see if Fedor gets to the UFC...
 Ian1216

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Posted: 7/14/2009 8:04:56 AM

if Brock was the same size as all the other heavyweights he would get DESTROYED EVERY TIME


The thing that you don't point out is that Mir doesn't cut weight....he's 245 by fight time....Lesnar is at LEAST 280 if not 290 by fight time...relatively speaking he's not so big now is he?


Ok, so with that said what's preventing Mir or any other heavyweight from doing the same thing? After all if that's all it takes to beat Brock then why not right?
 Ezzee

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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 8:12:04 AM


The thing that you don't point out is that Mir doesn't cut weight....he's 245 by fight time....Lesnar is at LEAST 280 if not 290 by fight time...relatively speaking he's not so big now is he?


OK, weigh-ins for the fight occurred about 6 pm Central time on July 10th for UFC 100.

According to you, Brock Lesnar gained 15-25 pounds in the matter of 24 hours? Is it possible? I suppose so, but that would assume that Brock Lesnar does absolutely nothing for the next 24 hours except drinking beer, eating chocolate and other high calorie items, which are hand fed to him so he doesn't have to lift a finger, something which I highly doubt, simply because if he did, he would come to the ring looking like the Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man. Usually, in the time between weigh-ins and the fight, these people are loading up on carbs, so pasta and other such items.

I'm not going to deny that it is possible that he will gain some weight between weigh-in and fight time. However, the amount of weight he gains will be equal to that which his opponent gains. Having been a former wrestler who knows a little about having to cut and making weight, by the time you cut that much weight, you are absolutely drained and have no energy at all, let alone the energy to pack back on 15 lbs. Again, I'm not saying that it is impossible, but from my experience of being in a similar situation and my knowledge of human physiology, I'm about 95% sure that it is highly improbably to do so without some artificial means.
 James Bottomtooth III

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Posted: 7/14/2009 8:36:05 AM
According to you, Brock Lesnar gained 15-25 pounds in the matter of 24 hours? Is it possible? I suppose so, but that would assume that Brock Lesnar does absolutely nothing for the next 24 hours except drinking beer, eating chocolate and other high calorie items, which are hand fed to him so he doesn't have to lift a finger, something which I highly doubt, simply because if he did, he would come to the ring looking like the Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man. Usually, in the time between weigh-ins and the fight, these people are loading up on carbs, so pasta and other such items.

It is all water weight and many fighters can cut more than 20lbs before a fight.



I'm not going to deny that it is possible that he will gain some weight between weigh-in and fight time. However, the amount of weight he gains will be equal to that which his opponent gains. Having been a former wrestler who knows a little about having to cut and making weight, by the time you cut that much weight, you are absolutely drained and have no energy at all, let alone the energy to pack back on 15 lbs. Again, I'm not saying that it is impossible, but from my experience of being in a similar situation and my knowledge of human physiology, I'm about 95% sure that it is highly improbably to do so without some artificial means.

You say you know about cutting weight but you clearly have no idea.
 Ezzee

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Posted: 7/14/2009 8:46:24 AM

It is all water weight and many fighters can cut more than 20lbs before a fight.



You say you know about cutting weight but you clearly have no idea.


Reading comprehension is an amazing thing, let me tell you.

I'm not arguing that he can't CUT 15-25 before a fight. I know that is entirely possible as it is all water weight. I've had to cut 5 lbs in a week.

I'm arguing that it is nearly impossible to GAIN 15-25 lbs in a 24 hour period as the poster was claiming that Brock did between the weigh in which was July 10th at 6 pm and the fight which was July 11th at 8pm, or whenever it started.

Hey, if someone can prove me wrong, then great. I can only talk about my own personal experience and knowledge of human physiology.
 CChauncey

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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 12:05:03 PM
I'm arguing that it is nearly impossible to GAIN 15-25 lbs in a 24 hour period as the poster was claiming that Brock did between the weigh in which was July 10th at 6 pm and the fight which was July 11th at 8pm, or whenever it started.
Fighters do this often. My wrestler and rower friends in high school used to do this as well. If they did the weight in inside the Octagon right before the fight, you might see a shift in the rankings (probably not in heavyweights). But I understand why they wouldn't (a huge PPV fight being disqualified at last second because somebody didn't make weight...).

Dana is saying in no unequivocal terms that Fedor is coming to the UFC, just a matter of when. I'm sure you all know, but Fedor has one more fight left on his contract with Affliction, and after that Dana claims he's going to make a big play. He understands the road blocks to this happening, he's tried before, yet he's confident, so I'm psyched. I wonder if a part of him wants Brock to be put in his place a bit after Lesnar turned UFC's commemorative 100th show into a clown fest.
 Vanders Mark

Joined: 5/14/2009
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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 12:44:01 PM

I'm arguing that it is nearly impossible to GAIN 15-25 lbs in a 24 hour period as the poster was claiming that Brock did between the weigh in which was July 10th at 6 pm and the fight which was July 11th at 8pm, or whenever it started.


Look at GSP's interview after the fight.... he said and I quote "I'm not that big for a welterweight (170 btw) right now I'm only 184-185 ....if it's all water that they cut....it's not so hard to drink lots to gain it back....and they NEED to gain it back...I'd imagine dehydrating yourself like that is really hard on your body......

Fedor's the only guy who has a chance of beating that beast....and I'd still only give him 50/50 ....if Brock continues to completely neutralize his opponents on the mat....nobody's gonna beat him....so now...instead of having a heavyweight division with only a little competition....we've got one with NO competition....and it's ruled by a f*ckin' hack.....
 REDDRAGON.

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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 1:40:09 PM
Dumb fans love it...I watched it again...what a rediculously boring fight....
If you're tuning in just to see if he gets knocked out...you're probably wasting your money....look at the size of his neck....


you watched it again......so? if you watch it twice...does that make you twice as dumb..


the only way Fedor will beat Brock is by submission.

bring on Shane Carwin .

any thing can happen when your dealing with power that is unmatched by the heavy weight division.

 Vanders Mark

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Posted: 7/14/2009 2:40:27 PM
you watched it again......so? if you watch it twice...does that make you twice as dumb...


If you don't agree with my opinion...why don't you present an intelligent argument...instead of not so subtly suggesting that I am dumb.....

I gotta give Brock some credit....he knows how to get people riled up...he certainly got me riled up....but in the end...when the dust settles....I certainly won't be paying money to watch that guy fight....do we really need our kids emulating someone like that?

Shane Carwin got rocked by Gonzaga before he threw a desperate punch that ended it all.....what's gonna happen when you're dealing with the power of a 300 lb monster? You'd be insane to bet against him.....

Weight classes are in place to maintain a certain level of competition....we saw a perfect example of what happens when fighters get c*cky and try to fight the champions of higher weight classes (GSP/BJ II) ....Dana's gone and thrown that out the window in the heavyweight division....it's too bad the integrity of the sport takes a back seat to munching down a bunch of useless green paper....but Lesnar's just like Dana....ego's out of control...and you can really sense the insecurity leaking through Brocks act......
 Ian1216

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Posted: 7/14/2009 2:48:23 PM

do we really need our kids emulating someone like that?


God willing little kids aren't up until midnight watching this stuff, I'd call that bad parenting.
 ProdigalSon81

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Posted: 7/14/2009 3:00:20 PM

I gotta give Brock some credit....he knows how to get people riled up...he certainly got me riled up....but in the end...when the dust settles....I certainly won't be paying money to watch that guy fight....do we really need our kids emulating someone like that?


That's you though, you can't speak for everyone else who more than likely will pay to see him fight.

I wasn't aware that kids needed to look up to these guys as role models, guys who beat the crap out of each other for a living.
 cathunter1978

Joined: 6/1/2009
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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 4:51:51 PM
why is there a weight LIMIT, in the heavyweight division? i think it should be unlimited.
 dwayne88

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Posted: 7/14/2009 6:20:33 PM
I think Fedor could beat him by more than a sub.

His chin hasn't been truly tested yet.

If Brock played it stupid and stood right infront of Fedor without taking him down, Fedor could very well finish it right then and there.

Now I know people will say that Brock is huge and he has a thick neck and a big head. But Fedor doesn't just hit someone once. He has a tendency to throw in flurries.

And if he got a flurry off, I could see him seriously hurting Brock.

Brock is not unstoppable.
 REDDRAGON.

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Posted: 7/14/2009 7:09:24 PM

Shane Carwin got rocked by Gonzaga before he threw a desperate punch that ended it all.....what's gonna happen when you're dealing with the power of a 300 lb monster? You'd be insane to bet against him.....



Desperate punch??? get a grip...Shane has larger hands than Brock.
When he knocked out Gonzaga there was nothing desperate about it.


I think Fedor could beat him by more than a sub.

His chin hasn't been truly tested yet.


tested or not I don't think Fedor has the power or boxing skills to knock out Brock.

But he can submit him......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3QzX1ZadJM
 cathunter1978

Joined: 6/1/2009
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UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/14/2009 7:21:06 PM
dude check out the look on brocks face when couture cut him,
 kenpoboy

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Posted: 7/15/2009 4:49:20 AM
Fedor is not a great boxer. Arlovski was dominating him with strikes. And Brock is not stupid enough to stand in front of Fedor anyway. He wouldn't even stand in front of Mir, who landed a few good strikes before being taken down. Brock has a nice shiner from where Frank caught him on the face.
 trappedonbayst.

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Msg: 142
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Posted: 7/15/2009 12:48:31 PM
Lesnar Vs. Fedor!

it's going down!
 REDDRAGON.

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Posted: 7/15/2009 1:22:33 PM
Lesnar Vs. Fedor!

it's going down!



it isn't written in stone yet.

Fedor hasn't even signed concerning UFC all we hear right now is Dana White flapping his gums to fill seats and sell tickets .

If Brock is smart he'd get some more experience under his belt by fighting the out come of a Cain Velasquez vs Shane Carwin match.


UFC officials have met with Emelianenko and his representatives multiple times. However, the meetings proved far from productive and often left each side blaming the other for the inability to get a deal done. The UFC said Emelianenko's demands were too outrageous, not necessarily from a monetary standpoint (though Emelianenko is believed to make at least $2 million per fight) but because a deal would essentially require the organization to enter the Russian market as business partners with Emelianenko's manager, Vadim Finkelchtein. Emelianenko's people say the UFC's contract demands are too restrictive without any allowances, for example, for Sambo competitions and would dictate all aspects of the fighter's career.


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 cathunter1978

Joined: 6/1/2009
Msg: 144
UFC 100 Let the speculation begin
Posted: 7/17/2009 12:14:40 PM
yeah but id still love to see it.
 Vanders Mark

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Posted: 7/17/2009 1:07:07 PM
Who cares who Brock fights next....looks like GSP's next opponent will be the winner of Mike Swick and Martin Kapmann....a good test for him if he's gonna move up because they're both 185ers that b*tched out and dropped down....
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