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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 5:53:43 PM | It doesn't matter what anyone thinks but the parents, and then it narrows down to the female who is pregnant. No one has a right to tell someone they have to have a baby. I don't give a crap about what my morals or anyone else's morals are about having an abortion, it isn't your pregnancy, it isn't your business. As for adopting being this scared special thing, please, only in fairyland. Yes some children are adopted by wonderful, loving parents and have a great life, but that's not the norm and not everyone can live with giving their baby away, certainly not every adopting couple is going to be good parents. There are just as many horror stories about how someone feels about giving a child away as there are those who feel horrible about having an abortion, and there are sadly a plethora of adopted children who will never get over being given away and/or being adopted by awful parents.
It is best to not get pregnant at all if you do not want a baby. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 6:05:09 PM |
you really are sh^t disturber!
 Thank you for that! I was wondering how long it would take after seeing sooooo many "unique" questions and scenarios posted by the same person.
When all could be answered by a Thread search!
I'm pro-nun ya..... | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 6:21:03 PM | | I would date an anti-abortion person as long as he understood that if our contraception failed and I got knocked up, I would not be carrying it to term. I do make this clear with potential partners before getting intimate. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 6:52:33 PM | It seems to me, that the question you're asking isn't really about "pro-life", but "anti-abortion". The two are not always the same.
I know many people who call themselves prolife, yet advocate the death penalty. It leaves me scratching my head.
To answer the question (sort of) as posed. I belive people of differing veiwpoints can have great relationships. They must remember though, to be certain they are open, honest, consitent, and willing to compromise. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 7:04:38 PM | Hi thadood38,
If there is such thing as "evil", killing the unborn is just that. God only knows how our society got to the point where such barbarism is legal. I pray that someday abortion is nothing more than an ugly page in the history of mankind.
Now to your question.
Could I date someone who "supports" abortion. Maybe. People say all kinds of things they don't really mean or would never do. I shrug that kind of talk off. However, I could not date someone who had an abortion.
When a woman has an abortion, it is not only the unborn baby that is killed. Part of the woman's humanity is killed as well.
Sincerely,
Timothy Paul
P.S. If you are thinking about having an abortion, I urge you to consider other options.Talk to your priest or minister. Get in contact with an adoption agency. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 7:35:34 PM | Well I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone feels they have the right to dictate to anyone what they should do with their body. I wouldn't want to be with anyone who was so militant that they can't accept people have a right to believe in different things. As for worrying about what your partner would do if they conceived by accident - there is a surefire way to prevent pregnancy - if more people were responsible with contraception, abortion would be a non-issue since all pregnancies would be planned. Tolerance of different beliefs is definitely a positive thing, and makes it easier for you to talk to people and perhaps influence them positively.
In the case of rape - and no matter HOW you feel about abortion, I can say tthat is one situation where I could have all my sympathy for the woman raped. That doesn't mean it should be used as a form of birth control, but some compassion should be spared for different situations. Babies are precious, and there are so many births that end in
tragedy. I'd rather see abortion stay legal than see more news stories about dead babies in dumpsters or worse. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 8:24:24 PM | In general, you are better of sticking with partners who believe as you do.
However, if you are dating and sexing a pro-choicer and you are a pro-lifer, you better be sure that, as a pro-lifer, you are up to snuff on pregnancy protection. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 8:28:53 PM |
God only knows how our society got to the point where such barbarism is legal.
Do you think it's always been illegal until now? You might want to check your history, both Biblical and real life. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/15/2009 8:44:32 PM | Sorry, as someoen who adopted a baby who could have been aborted instead, I am VERY pro-life.
And dayna I like you a lot but disagreee w/you on this. THere are kids who have horrible parents *everywhere*. At least adoptive parents go thru a screening process, unlike the plethora of idiots breeding and popping babies otu that they are raising horribly.
And while some adoptees struggle, that happens less and less every day because now we do open adoptions and talk to kids about how they were brought into the world (and family) from the time they are young on. My daughter is 8 and knows she grew in her birthmother's uterus before she came to me and her dad. I guarantee she is prettyhappy w/her lot in life.
The unhappy adoptees are always goign to shout louder than the happy ones... same w/unhappy birthchildren who had crappy parents. That really isn't an adoption issue...that's a parenting issue.
And geez...how many of them wiill tell you they would rather they had been murdered in the womb?
BTW...for those who question when life begins... the very simple answer dawned on me one day. If an embryo is growing in a womb, eventually it will be a baby. The only way it won't? Um, that would be if you kill it. Get it? You have to KILL it for it not to be alive. So how can you say it isn't alive yet? If that were true, killing it would not be necessary.
It's the status quo... the status quo is that it is alive and continues to be alive and develop and grow, UNLESS you interfere with it.
It is irrelevant when it gets a "soul" or any christian mumbo jumbo.
It's like baking a cake. IT doesn't turn into a cake until you mix the ingredients in a bowl, put it in a pan, and put it in a hot oven. Until the moment it hits the oven, there is no way it can be come a cake, right? If you leave it in the pan sitting on teh kitchen counter, it will NEVER be a cake. BUt the moment you put it in the hot oven, it will turn into a cake. Even if it is still goo for the first 20 minutes, it's still goign to be a cake unless you turn off the oven or take it out too early (I.e. kill it).
So the baby because a life once it is in the pan in teh hot oven, i.e. embedded in the uterus and dividing. And the only way it stops being a life is if you kill it (or if "god" mixed the genes wrong, like the wrong ingredients).
Simple. Supremely simple.
If the mother's life is at risk, real risk, that is a whole nother issue...then you are weighing one life against another... but otherwise, I fail to see how she has the right to kill a life in her body just because it is growing in her own uterus (and not the man's uterus if he had one) ...esp considering she put the damn baby ther ein teh first place when she had sex!
SInce I"m female who I date is irrelevant since I am lucky enugh to have power over my body. I would keep the baby and place it for adoption or raise it or give it to teh guy to raise. But if I were male and felt like I do? I woudl either get fixed or I'd only have sex w/another person who felt like me. Or use condoms every time. Or ask her to use a diaphragm or go on the pill.
(plus of course I"m in menopause so it REALLY is irrelevant) | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 8:37:46 AM | I am pro-choice.
I couldn't see myself with someone who is pro-life.
I feel that when it comes down to pregnancy, women should be able to make our own choices.
How many times have people tried to overturn Roe V. Wade?
John McCain being one of those many people.
It didn't work for George W. Bush when he was in office, and it certainly wouldn't have worked if McCain became president.
Pfft. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 8:43:05 AM | | I'm pro choice. I do think that a man should have more say in it though. Pro life people aren't really pro life since they usually end up trying to maim or murder doctors at abortionist clinics. Just another hypocritical, sick group looking for a cause and using "god" as an excuse for their twisted violent intentions. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 9:37:15 AM | When all the abusers, morons, drunks, drug addicts and low lifes stop reproducing like rabbits and all sick babies, disabled children and less than perfect adoptee candidates are no long looking for a good home or wallowing in a 3rd world orphange, I'll be happy to listen to your Anti-Abortion lecture.
Holding a sign and spewing venom in front of a Drs office does not put a child in a warm home or take care of their needs. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 10:52:52 AM |
I'm all for respecting another's opinion, but I could never have sex with a woman who I thought capable of aborting my kid. I don't try and change other people's beliefs and I'm not out to get into arguments over it.
That IS where the rubber meets the road on this issue, really. As I posted earlier, reasonable people can have different points of view, in terms of political philosophy. I could have a relationship with someone who says "I could never have an abortion myself, but I respect a woman's right to choose", etc.. I could not have ever had a relationship with someone, who, herself, has had an abortion with no remorse, or who views abortion as an acceptable form of birth control for herself.
I had that happen, in college, when my girlfriend "chose" to abort our baby. For 20 years, it haunted me, and I often had nightmares about "our" child, who was murdered pre-birth. Legally, a woman has the unquestioned "right" to do something terribly wrong, and pre-birth is a time in life, when a father can't protect his child. It's not "just a thang", when it comes down to dating someone, and sleeping with her, who thinks abortion is "just fine" if an accident were to happen. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 10:59:12 AM | I can't have any more children so from the way you created the post, it shouldn't matter. What I have found, is that if someone is a pro-life advocate that can't grasp your thinking on this, they are going to have a lot of other views that will disturb me as well.
My daughter's attitude is probably quite like yours, she is not pro-choice for herself, which is one of the reasons she doesn't have sex. She does believe in a woman's right to choose because she feels it is a decision each person should make.
I am pro-choice and am thankful I never had to look at this issue personally. I do know people that were married who chose to abort, that I don't get, but it is also not my place to judge other people's choices; they must live with them.
What disturbs me the most about people that are anti-abortion is that they do not seem to understand that someone could terminate a pregnancy when it is an emotionally painful thing to do, as if everyone who aborts a child does so cavalierly. I also don't get pro-life people that think it is appropriate to kill doctors and other workers; those lives were of less value than the ones they are purportedly trying to protect?
So yup, someone that is pro-life with no gray, probably not the guy for me. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 12:41:03 PM | Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion are two different things.
The majority of people that are pro-choice do not advocate for women to get an abortion.
A lot of how one will define it depends on what generation you come from. For those that grew up in the Roe v. Wade era, it's typically all about abortion.
For those in my generation it's all about freedom of medical choice. Yes, abortion is included in that but so is assisted suicide, the right to decline unwanted medical care, the absolute right to your own body. If you have ever been denied that right then odds are you will camp with pro-choice regardless of your personal feelings on abortion.
I know when I was 16 I went to my doctor and asked to have permanent birth control. I was told I was too young to make that decision. Fair enough, I was a minor. Again at 18 I asked and was told that they only perform those procedures on women after they are 30 or if they have already had 2 children. I was adamant that I never wanted children. This should be my choice, should it not? I spoke with 5 different doctors with the exact same end result.
I had friend who was in a car accident as a young girl. Her pelvic bones were crushed. She healed, she grew up but she was told that she should never get pregnant because her body would not be able to support it. Because of all of the damage done in the accident, it could literally kill her. Even with this extreme, she was unable to find a doctor willing to induce permanent birth control. Should this not have been her choice?
For those younger than me it may be something different. I do know that the younger generation is generally swinging more and more to pro-life. They didn't grow up in an era when birth control was difficult and expensive to come by. They didn't grow up in an era when women had to get permission from her husband to get her tubes tied even though a guy could get a vasectomy without any input from his wife (although this is still fairly common depending on the area and medical facilities available).
This is a topic that neither side will give ground on. As a group, people will uphold and support their beliefs. As individuals, we can respect and understand another persons view all while accepting and loving them regardless of if we agree on it or not. My best friend and I are on opposite ends on this and many other topics, it doesn't effect our friendship. I have listened to her rant and rave without the need to push an agenda. Likewise she has listened to me. A relationship is possible, if the individuals love and respect each other enough to tolerate differences of opinions.
So really, if you met someone that was perfect for you and had that immediate click of, "there you are", you would push them out of your life because they held a different view? | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 1:18:55 PM |
However, I can not have sex with someone that could potentially abort my kid. So, before I have sex, I make sure I know where she stands on the issue.
Yeah, when I want to sinfully fornicate, I make sure the girls is super conservative too!
SHEESH!
SHOULDNT YOU ASK HER ABOUT STD'S FIRST..
You: **mid coitus "Soo you got the aids? Thats fine, where do your ethics stand on Roe -v-s Wade?" | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 1:41:18 PM |
Pro life people aren't really pro life since they usually end up trying to maim or murder doctors at abortionist clinics. Just another hypocritical, sick group looking for a cause and using "god" as an excuse for their twisted violent intentions.
What an incredible leap into illogic that is. The most recent poll showed 52% of people identify as "pro life", so are you really claiming that over half the population favors killing or maiming doctors?
There a very few mentally deranged people who can be found on the outer fringes of any belief system, right or left, who resort to violence. I have to wonder about the intellect of someone who says "pro life" people "usually" resort to violence. The number of pro life people who resort to violence is statistically so small, that you'd need a dozen zeroes after the . to compute the percentage.
It's about the same as saying that environmentalists are defined by eco terrorists, and then saying "environtmentalists usually burn down houses and murder people." | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 2:01:59 PM |
I'm pro choice. I do think that a man should have more say in it though. Pro life people aren't really pro life since they usually end up trying to maim or murder doctors at abortionist clinics. Just another hypocritical, sick group looking for a cause and using "god" as an excuse for their twisted violent intentions.
Sorry but that is just rediculous as the vast majority of us that are against abortion do not end up tying to maim or murder doctors at abortion clinics.
However when I hear of such a doctor being killed, all I can think is another child killer gone.
I guess it all depends on how you see the unborn child. If you see them as just a collection of cells, then you will be fine with abortion. If you see the unborn child as a human being, then you will be against abortion.
I see the unborn children just the same as I do my two year old grandson that is playing on the floor in front of me. If someone were to break into our home, and try to kill him, would I be wrong to kill the intruder before he could kill my grandson? I have never spoken to a person that killed an abortionist, but I would think that would be their logic. They are killing people that kill unborn babies, and as a result it won't stop abortion, but it will stop that person from killing any more unborn babies. I think they feel they are protecting helpless babies from a killer.
OP do you realize that this is a very emotional and raw issue? Does it truly belong here? As to your question, even though I can no longer have children, no I would not want to date a man that was pro abortion. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 7:15:11 PM | | I may have exaggerated my point somewhat but I think the "glad to see another child killer gone" kind of proves what I'm getting at. Regardless of whether they exercise violence or not that lust for blood still exists. If you are EVER glad that anyone is dead or killed then you really are a complete hypocrite to say you are "pro life". Adults count for just as much as a child in society, if not more so the reasoning behind calling yourself pro life is really really twisted. I guess I'm just one of those "unintellectual" people who look at things logically instead of frothing at the mouth with anger and emotion. I get a kick out of the morons on here who have a difference of opinion and the only thing they can come up with is "you must be stupid" or some other tripe. It happens at least twice every thread. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 7:26:19 PM |
I see the unborn children just the same as I do my two year old grandson that is playing on the floor in front of me. If someone were to break into our home, and try to kill him, would I be wrong to kill the intruder before he could kill my grandson? I have never spoken to a person that killed an abortionist, but I would think that would be their logic. They are killing people that kill unborn babies, and as a result it won't stop abortion, but it will stop that person from killing any more unborn babies. I think they feel they are protecting helpless babies from a killer.
That would be a logic that's half baked. They are vigilantes and avengers.
If they felt that they were protecting and avenging helpless babies by killing, then they would have to kill the women who had the abortions as well.... | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 7:40:38 PM | | verityone: I agree.There is absolutely NO LOGIC to that way of thinking. It's the same as these morons that agree with the death penalty. Murdering someone for revenge because you hate people that murder others is a complete contradiction and utter nonsense. Logic would dictate that you would then have to kill yourself because you would then be one of those people who are capable of murder. At least an abortionist actually believes he isn't murdering a human being (which he isn't). The person that murders the abortionist is a cold blooded killer using his hypocritical viewpoints as an excuse to be the true psycho that he obviously was anyway. Personally, I'd be a little nervous being around someone who believes in putting people to death for any reason. The only exception may be if you were in a life or death situation but even then, if you weren't a killer at heart it may come back to haunt you. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 7:52:42 PM |
I get a kick out of the morons on here who have a difference of opinion and the only thing they can come up with is "you must be stupid" or some other tripe. It happens at least twice every thread.
such as your post #36, where you claimed that those who are pro-life, are "all" proposing killing and maiming doctors?
Pro life people aren't really pro life since they usually end up trying to maim or murder doctors at abortionist clinics.
The OT was if people, who have different opinions on the issue, find a way to make a relationship work? My response is "yes", so long as both are reasonable people, who can respect those who hold a differint point of view.
The answer is "no", if one, or the other, or both, are "unreasonable" or militants, such as those who choose to demonize everyone, who holds a sincere opinion that differs from his/her's. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/16/2009 8:03:50 PM | | Kayliecat, that's just my point, you can't be sure how you will feel after giving a child up for adoption, anymore than you know how you will feel if you abort a child. And you cannot know how the child will feel, it's all an unknown and what bugs me about it is when people act like giving a child up for adoption is going to be rainbows and happiness, it's something that everyone involved will have to deal with. I would never push someone to go either way, but when they do make a choice, I respect their decision as their own private business and not up for others to have a say in it. Some really awful people have adopted innocent children whose bio-parents thought they were doing the best thing, aborting is not always the worse thing that can happen to a fetus, no matter what kind of spin some people want to put on it. I'm not against adoption nor am I for abortion, I'm against other people trying to guilt a pregnant women into doing what they think is best, only the mother can make that decision in the end. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/17/2009 3:49:48 AM | | Ren: I didn't say they were stupid or unintelligent in my post, just evil. Evil people are VERY intelligent. I'm usually open minded about every issue but when people defend groups or beliefs that are dangerous and cause violence and evil then I am DEFINITELY "unreasonable". It's funny that you equate being wishy washy, sitting on the fence and making excuses for destructive beliefs as being "unreasonable". I'm more than happy to be "unreasonable" in this case. You can continue to make excuses for twisted thinking so everyone can be friends but some ways of thinking are wrong. It has nothing to do with "opinion". An opinion shouldn't lead to murder or violent ideas. If your "opinion" supports these behaviors then you have lost your right to your "opinion". I think there may be better ways to handle a pregnancy than abortion. To me, adoption is the best choice, but I don't stand around foaming at the mouth screaming if someone decides that abortion is the right choice for them. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/17/2009 7:30:49 AM |
verityone: I agree.There is absolutely NO LOGIC to that way of thinking. It's the same as these morons that agree with the death penalty.
Well.......I have very little issue with capital punishment. I do not think it is entirely analogous to murdering, as we are talking about criminals who are completely rabid. I have no qualms about the Bernardo's and Dahmer's of this world being destroyed. As far as I'm concerned, some actions are completely necessary, and easily justifiable and reconcilable.
But that's a whole 'nother topic. | |
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