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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/17/2009 7:41:53 AM |
Can you date a pro-life advocate if you are pro-choice, and vice versa?
date a pro-life "advocate" .. no .. I am so sick to death of people who scream on high about saving that life blahblahblah .. then When that Unwanted child is born - they disappear. I've more than once asked a "pro-lifer" - What do You do for that hungry child? What do you do for that neglected, abused,unwanted Child?
Seems that all that caring disappears once the fetus becomes a human being.
Is there a way to find a happy medium with them?
Not if we're talking about "advocates" of either cause.
Or are you just better off sticking with partners who believe as you do?
I think that where some issues are concerned - yes it is best to stick to those who share your beliefs. Can't imagine a staunch catholic being in a union with a devil worshipper ..
extremes.. blech
btw - Pro-Choice is Not about "pro-abortion" - it is about leaving that decision to the woman and her doctor - and her partner .. if indeed she has one.
The easiest way to deal with this issue is to practise safe sex and allow it to be taught in schools - realistically . .. Obviously "preaching" abstinence doesNot work! ..
I'm not interested in pro-lifers, preachers of Any sort. I much prefer people who take control of their own lives, not others. IMO - those who attempt to push their morality on others are bullies.
Walk a mile in those shoes .. if you can.. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 7:52:09 AM |
date a pro-life "advocate" .. no .. I am so sick to death of people who scream on high about saving that life blahblahblah .. then When that Unwanted child is born - they disappear. I've more than once asked a "pro-lifer" - What do You do for that hungry child? What do you do for that neglected, abused,unwanted Child?
Seems that all that caring disappears once the fetus becomes a human being.
Yes, absolutely. These people love zygotes, but hate children. They will scream until the ends of the Earth to protect a glob of cells, but try to get them to pay for health care for poor children, or free lunches at school or any other public service for children and they spend the next week throwing up.
They'll also scream about the inhumanity of stem cell studies that use frozen petrie dishes they themselves had created for in vitro fertilization that would otherwise be destroyed, while simultaneously calling for the extermination of all muslims!
Hypocrites, total and complete hypocrites.
~Justin | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/17/2009 8:02:23 AM | | I couldn't date a woman who called herself "pro-life". People who call themselves that are not content to mind their own business, but feel obligated to impose their opinions as limits to other people's choices. How a woman views abortion doesn't matter to me except for this aspect of imposing her view on others. Her womb is her within her domain. Her neighbor's womb is none of her business. One womb to a customer, is my motto. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 9:29:48 AM | oh gees .. again I am gonnah bring the status quo another spin on spun... I believe that men are more tolerant of an opposing opinion.. when they want the cookie .. they will bend over backwards and do somersaults to get the "cookie" .. women on the other hand do not appreciate the informed consequence of a very indepth education on the science behind the race .. and when opinionate without fact will attack like a killer bee trying to be queen of a contrived hive!!! My mother and I had extremely opposing views on abortion.. mine being of reading every available piece of data on the subject .. her opinion being formed via her own opinion without fact.. an emotional opinion.. on an emotional subject.
I will say that women are more passionate about their mates being on the same page .. plenty of men go to church to get "the cookie" who are not the least bit religious.. they will disguise interest for disinterest.. hmm to hear the hum of the vagina hymns later.. like after the pew visit!! . Women are very much less inclined to stay in a relationship of long term with a male with opposing views.. it appears from all of the lifers I know.. and most are incredibly dysfunctional relationships the man will agree to disagree if he is getting " the cookie". So intellectual control whether it is real or faked .. is for women a reason to hand out and deliver " the cookie"... too much of the wrong to get dong control for this .. vagina monologger.. I ain't afraid to go logger heads on the subject .. and give footnotes but not many have delved into the research beyond an emotional decision on the issue of abortion... and this subject is far more complex than most care to explore. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 10:28:56 AM | The OT is NOT about "what do you think of those who hold opposing views on the abortion issue". Many of the posts, though, are a great illustration of the rigid thinking and intolerance that predominates many, who are "intense" on the issue. I've read more ridiculous stereotypes about pro-lifers in this thread, than I've heard in a long time.
The reality is that the American Public is split down the middle on the issue of abortion, and within those two differing points of view, there are wide variances in how "intense" people are on the issue. As with any public policy issue, the vast majority of people have an opinion, but it's just one of many issues, and most people aren't militant, or intolerant, of those who may disagree about political issues.
If someone is "pro-abortion", rather than just supportive of a woman's right to choose, she would not fare well in a relationship with someone who is a pro-life activist. That seems rather obvious. However, most people who identify as "pro-choice" and most people who identify as "pro life" are in the reasonable majority, who can tolerate differences of opinions, within the context of an otherwise good relationship or friendship. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2009 11:54:22 AM | Can you date a pro-life advocate if you are pro-choice, and vice versa?
No.
Is there a way to find a happy medium with them?
Not for me no.
Or are you just better off sticking with partners who believe as you do?
All I'm able to say on this topic is this - it's easy to overlook a political or religious difference when you're dating and there are no children involved and everything is rosy.
But what happens a few years down the road if your 14 year old daughter tells you she's pregnant? Or your son or daughter starts questioning his or her sexuality or tells you he or she is gay? Or one of you believes in sex education and the other doesn't?
I've seen families destroyed and torn apart over one parent accepting or rejecting their son or daughter's homosexuality and even over some smaller issues like birth control vs abstinence, church attendance, the way their kids dressed, the music they listened to, etc. I would never want to be in a position of having to choose between my partner and my child(ren).
And it's not just about children - it's important (to me) that two people be on the same page on other important issues such as end of life issues (we all get old - our parents get old), what happens if your elderly mother or father needs help or you sister and her husband are killed in a car accident and you're suddenly faced with the prospect of having to raise your niece and nephew or seeing them go in foster care? Do you feel the same way when you see a hungry or homeless person or is one haunted by it and the other one saying "that's life"?
So no, for all those reasons and more, I wouldn't date someone whose political/social/religious views are not on the same page as mine - if ever a (serious) situation should arise in the future, I'd want my partner and I to support each other and be united in our choice to help who or what ever needs our help and support at that moment.
JMO
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/19/2009 6:33:42 AM |
Yes, absolutely. These people love zygotes, but hate children. They will scream until the ends of the Earth to protect a glob of cells, but try to get them to pay for health care for poor children, or free lunches at school or any other public service for children and they spend the next week throwing up.
Amen.
My favorite is the prolifer who supports the death penalty.
This annoys me to no end. So ya know though, that glob of cells, is life as well. It is simply not aware. There is a big difference. And there is really no evidence that it isn't aware. We'd have to be a zygote to know right?
As for the op, any issue can be overcome so long as you have two thinking breathing mature adults.
p.s.
DivaG...I loves you! | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 10:18:47 AM | | The problem I have with the very vast majority of so called pro life people, is that they basically just want to tell other people how to run their lives. If you're really 'pro life', then vote with your feet. Get out there, and help the children who are already alive. Adopt. Stop telling other people to raise kids. If you're pro life and don't have any adopted children, then just STFU. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 10:24:52 AM |
oh gees .. again I am gonnah bring the status quo another spin on spun... I believe that men are more tolerant of an opposing opinion.. when they want the cookie .. they will bend over backwards and do somersaults to get the "cookie" .. women on the other hand do not appreciate the informed consequence of a very indepth education on the science behind the race .. and when opinionate without fact will attack like a killer bee trying to be queen of a contrived hive!!! My mother and I had extremely opposing views on abortion.. mine being of reading every available piece of data on the subject .. her opinion being formed via her own opinion without fact.. an emotional opinion.. on an emotional subject.
I will say that women are more passionate about their mates being on the same page .. plenty of men go to church to get "the cookie" who are not the least bit religious.. they will disguise interest for disinterest.. hmm to hear the hum of the vagina hymns later.. like after the pew visit!! . Women are very much less inclined to stay in a relationship of long term with a male with opposing views.. it appears from all of the lifers I know.. and most are incredibly dysfunctional relationships the man will agree to disagree if he is getting " the cookie". So intellectual control whether it is real or faked .. is for women a reason to hand out and deliver " the cookie"... too much of the wrong to get dong control for this .. vagina monologger.. I ain't afraid to go logger heads on the subject .. and give footnotes but not many have delved into the research beyond an emotional decision on the issue of abortion... and this subject is far more complex than most care to explore.
Cupcake.. You are hilarious.. I like sex much more than I like cookies. So, I don't know what kind of men you date. Anything good on the lifetime channel these days..? Since you're painting 'broad' strokes with your feminist brush you shoud also be willing to admit 'many' women are more tolerant of ANYTHING when they want cold hard cash.
The feminists scream from the roof tops 'they want equality and fairness' in all parts of life and yet the divorce and custody laws and courts are all stacked in their favor. There are 1.2 million (on average) abortions in the U.S. EVERY YEAR! And that is acceptable to the pro-choicers? As they say on Saturday night live...'REALLY?' ...Is it equality and fairness that a woman can murder my child and I have no say in the matter..?
The hypocritical pro-choicers are often the same ones who scream about an unjust war with unjust loss of life ( about 5,000 in this current 'conflict' since it began) and yet we've had over 6 million 'people' die since this current war began..? And this is ok..? 'REALLY?' How about self control and not making the baby in the first place..?
The same ones who are pro-choice will tell the president it's not ok to kill that fly.. The same one's who are hypocriticaly pro-choice (really pro murder right?) will scream at michael vick for being an animal abuser..?? 'REALLY?'
You're all a piece of work... | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 10:52:51 AM | The same ones who are pro-choice will tell the president it's not ok to kill that fly.
I just have to address this quick.
I used to be involved with PETA. They do this whacked-out crap on purpose. No sane person actually believes flies should be a protected species. They do is BECAUSE it's so batsh*t insane that they know it will make the news.
Their theory is that being mentioned, even in a negative way, gets them headlines. They believe that this will trigger debate on the issues of animal cruelty.
They wanted me to be a local event organizer, which I was happy to do. They asked me to put on a cow costume and hand out trading cards with graphic images of slaughtered cows on them....to CHILDREN! I drew the line and said "No EFFING WAY!"
But you have to admit that pro-lifers are certainly famous for stunts just like that so you should be careful who you're throwing stones at.
~Justin | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 2:23:01 PM | Subject:
I just have to address this quick.
I used to be involved with PETA. They do this whacked-out crap on purpose. No sane person actually believes flies should be a protected species. They do is BECAUSE it's so batsh*t insane that they know it will make the news.
Their theory is that being mentioned, even in a negative way, gets them headlines. They believe that this will trigger debate on the issues of animal cruelty.
They wanted me to be a local event organizer, which I was happy to do. They asked me to put on a cow costume and hand out trading cards with graphic images of slaughtered cows on them....to CHILDREN! I drew the line and said "No EFFING WAY!"
But you have to admit that pro-lifers are certainly famous for stunts just like that so you should be careful who you're throwing stones at.
~Justin
I'll take the last one first. Please cite an example instead of saying 'prolifers do it too'..
I've given statistice and examples when I made my points. Of course everyone realized the absurdity of the PETA fly statment. But if their absurd statement is ok to highlight animal abuse, then wouldn't you agree their same absurd statement can be turned around and used to highlight the murder of humans..?
I find it hard to believe that any 'sane' person believes it's ok to kill an innocent human being. I wonder how many peta supporters who were chanting and mocking michael Vick outside of his courtroom had had an abortion themseves..? They are hypocites of the highest degree. They use the killing of a fly to highlight animal rights yet when the abortion doc was murdered they say silent.
They could care less about animals . Humans are animals. They were jealouse of vick and wanted to see the mighty fall. Where vick comes from dog fighting is part of the culture. In many parts of Asia dog is on the menu, part of the culture. I have way more respect for most eastern cultures than I do ours.. They revere their elderly, we trash ours. end of rant for now.. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 2:34:38 PM |
The problem I have with the very vast majority of so called pro life people, is that they basically just want to tell other people how to run their lives. If you're really 'pro life', then vote with your feet. Get out there, and help the children who are already alive. Adopt. Stop telling other people to raise kids. If you're pro life and don't have any adopted children, then just STFU.
Wouldn't you agree you are 'running someone's life' when you END it..??? I'm not telling other people to raise kids. I'm telling them to have sex responsibly. I had family members who've adopted. I tried to raise my own the best I could.. I think the pro MURDER crowd just has a guilty concience.
A large segment of the German population thought it was ok to murder jews at one time in history. It didn't make it right that a lot of them agreed on that one though did it..?
And finally .. and I'm done after this... Roe, of Roe vs Wade, doesn't even think abortion should be legal anymore ... The person who started this whole mass murder, butchering doesn't even think it's right anymore. I hope she can forgive herself for her role in opening the floodgates of death and destruction for millions of innocent babies.. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 3:18:08 PM | I would support my mate whichever choice he would make regarding his uterus and what's growing in it; mushrooms, babies, potatoes, fish, tumor.. Whatever his desire.
And I'd expect him to do the same for me.
Furthermore, I would definitely make sure he understands his "decisionmaking" regarding MY belly ends at the moment when he choses (or not) to take precautions by putting rubber attire on HIS body part. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 4:06:45 PM | | Youngsnowbird: I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole "murder" thing. You SERIOUSLY can't be that uninformed and ignorant. Technically, every sperm is alive as well. Ever had sex for fun? You've "murdered" millions if you have. Seriously where does this ridiculous drama end with pro-life people? I have a news flash for you. No one is feeling guilty because we're smart enough to know it isn't "murder". Comparing abortion to the holocost is both disgusting and insulting. Listening to the trash people like you spew out to further your agenda of hatred and guilt makes me think a few more people should have been pro-choice. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2009 4:32:06 PM | | Amazing to me how many people value the life of every human....yet are so willing to go to war, over WOMD or some other perceived problem and take the lives of countless innocents. How many Afghanis and Iraqis have died in the last 15 years? For the greater good no doubt. Isnt that what a woman is thinking...for the greater good, this is the right decision. She says..."I can not be a single mother, I will not be hounding a deadbeat dad for support, I will not put in jeopardy my future children and their options in life". Tell me the difference. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 6:22:19 AM | Youngsnowbird: I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole "murder" thing.
Then let me simplify it for you.
In many states, if a pregnant woman is killed, the perpetrator will be charged with a double homicide.
Babies have been born at 22 weeks gestation, and survived outside the womb.
So, how is it not the taking of a life, when someone has a third trimester abortion?
A baby is not an appendix that can be taken out, and it's no one else's business. It is a separate life, and once it's "viable" outside the womb, all that is required for that life to live independently from its mother, is for her to do the natural thing, and deliver it.
Often people will put a bag over someone's head in order to execute him/her.I suggest that much the same thing applies to abortion. If it were legal for a woman to murder her baby, at 22 weeks and in an incubator, very few would do it. Yet, because they can't see the viable child that lives inside the womb, they regard it as a "choice". It's not. It's a child.
Society does have a right to impose restrictions on our actions, when they deprive others of their lives or treasure. You can't shoot your neighbor, just because he's pissed you off, for example. Society would prosecute a woman, who threw her living baby in a dumpster. The only difference between that, and a "partial birth abortion" is that she doesn't have to look at a living baby, because a "fetus" at 34 weeks is a completely viable child.
As a practical matter, I don't think we can repeal Roe v Wade, as a practical matter. I can accept that some others see it differently, and a different opinion would not be a "deal breaker". However, if a woman is actively "pro abortion", who wants to see more abortions done based on eugenics, or morally indifferent, to the point that she has had an abortion(s) and feels no remorse, then, no, it wouldn't work between us. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 6:43:46 AM | there are some facts we need to look at. NOW this is comming from a father who has two children (look at my profile and you can see them). a child is a child from the time it takes its first breath in the womb.( for those of you prochoicers who claim to be christian david says in my mothers womb i was concived in sin, jeremiaiah says from his mothers womb he was called to preach and so did paul, and the angel told mary the child she was pregnant with was of the holy spirit). thats the christian point of view. now scientific facts for you darwinites. a baby takes its first breath within the womb with in 24 hours of conception. within 4 weeks the heart and lungs are fully developed and te baby brethes on its own as well as the hands and feet and sexual organs being formed. with in 8 weeks the eyes open and close and the babys brain stem and bones are forming. within 12 weeks some cognezant functions are prefromed by the child and its digesting its mothers food. babys also fart in the womb and poop in the womb. so weather christian or scientific the baby is a baby a human being within 48 hours.
anyway you slice it abortion is murder. (now there are justified cases of abortion which two of i am even on the fence about) rape, insest and life of the mother or the baby.
there are simple solutions to the problem: 1) guys keep it in your pants. 2) women put an asprin between your knees. 3) condoms. 4) birth control 5) absinance.
but i will tell you this as a dad i would not trade my kids for anything. and i would die or go to jail for or because of my kids. anyone who does not feel that way should not have sex anyways because they dont have the love for kids they should. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 6:52:01 AM | so in your view then restrictions should not be placed on smokers as we have jsut as much right to smoke and kill ourselfs as someone who comits suscide. and drinking should have no restirctions on adults as long as it is in a bar and drinking and driving is not involved. and gun control FOR THE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER should be if you cannot control the gun you should not own it. also the government should not have the right to legislate weather or not i have to wear a helmet when riding a bicycle or motorcycle.
the thing i have to say is prochoicers only want prochoice when it comes to abortion, otherwise they want the government to tell us we can smoke we cant drink we cant own a gun we have to wear a helmet. and when it comes to the death penality for a crime its funny how when the fetus is in the womb all of a sudden all these fetal alchol syndrome and such affected the person as a child in the womb. typical liberal talk. they want it there way all the time and make the standards fit thier point of view. not the oppisite way. there is abosolute morality not releitive morality. and god gaves us all freedom of choice and freewill without governmental influence | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 6:55:58 AM | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Have I ever enjoyed reading the comments about this post. Interesting!
I am not sure how you can compare pro-life to Michael Vick's abusing his fighting dogs, but that was interesting too.
Other comments I find interesting is about the pro-life men who don't have a uterus and will never carry a child. Another interesting matter.
But I do have an interesting story to tell about a very strict catholic friend of mine who abhors abortion but yet has no desire to help parentless children. When I suggested that she take in a young girl who is pregnant and broke, she became quite angry at me.
I myself would never tell a woman facing an unwanted pregnancy what to do, it is just none of my business. Just as it is none of anyone's business what medications I should or should not take for my chronic health condition.
Can a pro-lifer and a pro-choicer date successfully? I say "why not" ?? If they agree to disagree and are mature enough to recognize that, then it should be no problem.
Good post Justin. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 6:58:53 AM | You know .. it's one thing to speak up for what you believe in.. it is another to fudge the facts in an attempt to guilt or manipulate those who have differing viewpoints. When you b.s. or fudge facts - you not only lose credibility - you lose any chance of "reforming" or changing another persons opinion.
Facts:
<div class="quote">Week 1
This first week is actually your menstrual period. Because your expected delivery date (EDD) is calculated from the first day of your last period, this week counts as part of your 40-week pregnancy even though your baby hasn’t been conceived yet.
Week 2
Fertilisation of your egg by the sperm will take place near the end of this week.
Week 3
Thirty hours after conception, the cell splits into two. Three days later, the cell (zygote) has divided into 16 cells. After two more days, the zygote has migrated from the fallopian tube to the uterus (womb). Seven days after conception, the zygote burrows itself into the plump uterine lining (endometrium). The zygote is now known as a blastocyst.
Week 4
The developing baby is tinier than a grain of rice. The rapidly dividing cells are in the process of forming the various body systems, including the digestive system.
Week 5
The evolving neural tube will eventually become the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord).
Week 6
The baby is now known as an embryo. It is around 3mm in length. By this stage, it is secreting special hormones that prevent the mother from having a menstrual period.
Week 7
The heart is beating. The embryo has developed its placenta and amniotic sac. The placenta is burrowing into the uterine wall to access oxygen and nutrients from the mother’s bloodstream.
Week 8
The embryo is now around 1.3cm in length. The rapidly growing spinal cord looks like a tail. The head is disproportionately large.
Week 9
The eyes, mouth and tongue are forming. The tiny muscles allow the embryo to start moving about. Blood cells are being made by the embryo’s liver.
Week 10
The embryo is now known as a foetus and is about 2.5cm in length. All of the bodily organs are formed. The hands and feet, which previously looked like nubs or paddles, are now evolving fingers and toes. The brain is active and has brain waves.
Week 11
Teeth are budding inside the gums. The tiny heart is developing further.
Week 12
The fingers and toes are recognisable, but still stuck together with webs of skin. The ‘combined test’ (maternal blood test + ultrasound of baby) can be done around this time. This test is an indicator of possible Down syndrome or other major disabilities in the baby.
Week 13
The foetus can swim about quite vigorously. It is now more than 7cm in length.
Week 14
The eyelids are fused over the fully developed eyes. The baby can now mutely cry, since it has vocal cords. It may even start sucking its thumb. The fingers and toes are growing nails.
Week 16
The foetus is around 14cm in length. Eyelashes and eyebrows have appeared, and the tongue has tastebuds. Routine ‘maternal serum screening’ is offered at this time to help determine the risk of having a baby with a birth defect. An ultrasound is also commonly performed (usually week 18) to check for abnormalities, position of placenta and multiple pregnancies. Interestingly, hiccoughs in the foetus can often be observed.
Week 20
The foetus is around 21cm in length. The ears are fully functioning and can hear muffled sounds from the outside world. The fingertips have prints. The genitals can now be distinguished with an ultrasound scan.
Week 24
The foetus is around 33cm in length. The fused eyelids now separate into upper and lower lids, enabling the baby to open and shut its eyes. The skin is covered in fine hair (lanugo) and protected by a layer of waxy secretion (vernix). The baby ‘breathes’ amniotic fluid in and out of its lungs.
Week 28
Your baby now weighs about 2lb 2oz (two pounds, two ounces) or 1,000g and measures about 10 inches (25cm) from crown to rump. The crown to toe length is around 37cm. The growing body has caught up with the large head and the baby now seems more in proportion.
Week 32
The baby spends most of its time asleep. Its movements are strong and coordinated. It has probably assumed the ‘head down’ position by now, in preparation for birth.
Week 36
The baby is around 46cm in length. It has probably nestled its head into its mother’s pelvis, ready for birth. If it is born now, its chances for survival are excellent. Development of the lungs is rapid over the next few weeks.
Week 40
The baby is around 51cm in length and ready to be born. It is thought that the baby secretes hormones that trigger the onset of labour.
my source: http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Pregnancy_week_by_week?OpenDocument
Please note .. it is Not until week 7 that there is a heartbeat and the "baby" receives Oxygen - through the mothers blood. And it is Not until week 24 that the eyes are developed .. blahblah ..
Please stop using religion as an arguing point .. it really is old and preaching is rarely well received - with the exception of those who are 'already converted'.
Pro Choice is NOT Pro Abortion. and Pro Life is NOT pro-life. > Facts. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 6:59:26 AM | going to war over womd is a good cause. somtimes as tobey keith says freedom does not come free. Somtimes you have to give your life so that the greater peace and safty can be maintained. now do i supoort the war in iraq no not by any means (and yes i am a conservitive republican). but i think that was a pay back thing. but i as an old solider back our troops for being there because they are following orders. do i agree with the war in afgan yes.
let me just remind you a lady of somethings:
if you wore makeup under the taliban, they would cut off you lips and eye lids.
if you so much as did not walk 50 paces behind your husband you would be stoned (and not with weed).
when you tuned 13 the would take a piece of broken glass that was unsterilized and cut off your clit.
if you so much as looked at another man other than your sigifigant other they would stone you.
and at the age of 12 you would be traded to someone a male much older then you for a mule cow or ox | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 7:03:15 AM | | i may have been wrong in my time line and i am sorry for that. but still heartbeat and breath equals living being. or child or baby or human being. and its funny you did not chirp in about the smoking death penality or drinking issue humm liberal? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 7:04:34 AM | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@ A.S. is:
Thank you for the facts. Please note that you are up against a Baptist, and he will thump that bible hard no matter what facts you throw at him.
Oops, I spoke too soon. He did recognize it! Sorta. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 7:17:43 AM |
I do have an interesting story to tell about a very strict catholic friend of mine who abhors abortion but yet has no desire to help parentless children. When I suggested that she take in a young girl who is pregnant and broke, she became quite angry at me.
Ok, here's an interesting story in response.
When I was married, and the Mayor of a small Chicago suburb, in 1993, my ex wife and I offered to take in a pregnant young woman, if there were such a woman out there, who wanted to keep her child, but didn't know how she could "make it". The offer was made first in the newsletter I published, and then got picked up by Dennis Byrne of the Chicago Sun-Times. He did two articles on it, and the Sun-Times is a major Chicago newspaper. We never got a call.
Then we tried to get others interested in setting up a ministry through the Churches in our area, for people willing to act as sort of "foster homes" for unwed mothers, who would do, as we had offered to do, give a pregnant girl a place to stay, help once the baby was born, and then to help her find a job and an apartment, when she was ready.
The reality is that there isn't a pressing "need" for that, apparently. There are long waiting lists for adoption, and plenty of private resources available to pregnant teens, through various church based charities. I could type out a long list of the places a young pregnant woman can go in the Chicago area.
Other comments I find interesting is about the pro-life men who don't have a uterus and will never carry a child. Another interesting matter.
The pre-born child in a woman's womb, is a man's offspring as well as hers. The difference is, the man has no legal right to determine if his child is born, or aborted. If a woman "chooses" to give birth, then he has all the obligations of fatherhood, and if she chooses abortion, he has no standing to interfere. That was kind of the issue in the OP.
My college girlfriend, in a relationship that had existed for 3 years, and we were planning to marry after graduation, aborted our child. That haunted me for 20 years. I had nightmares, and periods of overwhelming guilt, that maybe I could have "tried harder" to convince her to keep our child. After that, while we stayed together for a time, it was never the same. I still can't help but wonder who and what our aborted child might have been. | |
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