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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:19:06 AM |
date a pro-life "advocate" .. no .. I am so sick to death of people who scream on high about saving that life blahblahblah .. then When that Unwanted child is born - they disappear. I've more than once asked a "pro-lifer" - What do You do for that hungry child? What do you do for that neglected, abused,unwanted Child?
Seems that all that caring disappears once the fetus becomes a human being.
Yes, absolutely. These people love zygotes, but hate children. They will scream until the ends of the Earth to protect a glob of cells, but try to get them to pay for health care for poor children, or free lunches at school or any other public service for children and they spend the next week throwing up.
They'll also scream about the inhumanity of stem cell studies that use frozen petrie dishes they themselves had created for in vitro fertilization that would otherwise be destroyed, while simultaneously calling for the extermination of all muslims!
Hypocrites, total and complete hypocrites.
Who are "these people" that love zygotes but hate children? I too agree that I hate hypocrites... but being pro-life does not make one a hypocrite. Yes some are. People are hypocrites in all areas of their lives, including those who are pro-choice and/or pro-abortion....
I am a "these people" who considers agrowing fetus to be a life and should not be killed for the convenience of the chick who is carrying it. SO let's see what all you said about me....(and yes above is 2 different people's posts)
"inhumanity of stem cell studies" Ok, I did invitro fertilization, and I created embroyos in petrie dishes. I am ok with using embryos that are not viable for research. Not viable means cells that have stopped replicating by day 3 or so. YOu who made the accusation probably have no clue what I"m talking about because you are talking out of your azz. THat's ok, I do. And my husband (of the tme) and I had made the decision if we had more embryos that we could transfer into me, we would freeze the viable ones, and transfer them at a later time OR let those embryos be adopted by another couple. Destroying them was NEVER an option, nor letting the viable embryos (which are those that did not die by day 3 on their own due to a genetic flaw ) be used for research.
I don't hate children. I am an advocate of free lunches for children, which is a darn good thing b/c in the town that I moved from a year ago, most of the kids there needed them,d esparately. And not only do I agree that ALL children need health care coverage, but when I had a counseling practice, we chose to accept all forms of Medicaid and to see patients young and old who had it, even though Medicaid literally did not pay us enough to meet the expenses of the practice (one of the reasons we had to close the doors, couldn't pay our rent and were bankrupt). So hmmm...I'd say I"m good there.
I've yet to see an unwanted child born that could not find 100 couples who would like to adopt it. In fact I knew of a child born HIV positive who was wanted by a couple. And, as I have stated previously, I adopted my first child, at birth. She was in my arms at 10 hours old and is sitting 2 feet away from me right now playing with knitting needles tryiing to teach herself to knit. She's 8 years old. And I am extremely grateful that her birth mother didn't kill her while she was in her womb because seh didn't want to grow her for 9 months so she could have life.
Sure, we own our own wombs. But we don't own what is in it. When there is a child growing in the womb, that means you have been given a life to grow, whether by the horror of rape, by birth control that failed, or by being too lazy or stupid to use birth control. I'd say that's a pretty sacred responsibility - growing a baby to 9 months and birthing it. Whether you chose that responsibility or not - it's there. In,yes, the wombm that you own. But you don't own the child within. That child owns itself and has the RIGHT to live just like you are living. It is no more precious than your own life, and no less.
There is seriously no shortage of adoptive parents in this country who would be very happy to adopt any baby who is being grown in the womb of a woman who cannot or does not want to raise it. All she has to do is make an adoption plan with a lawyer, a prospective adoptive parent, or an agency. And she has to be willing to spend 9 months eating healthily and abstaining from drugs, alcohol, and preferably smoking. I know it's not as easy as killing the life within her, but again, that life in HER womb is not hers. It is a human being and has the right to live. Remember what I said before - whether you think it is conscious or not, it will turn into a person like you and me unless you kill it - unless you take action. If you leave it alone in the womb it will come out kicking and crying and most definitely fully human and conscious.
Oh btw, I am pro death penalty. and the difference? Hmmm...kill a completely innocent baby OR kill a murderer/rapist/torturer who is evil. TO me, there's a adifference. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:34:26 AM | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@ RenaissanceMan1950
I really think you are an great man for wanting to support and be obligated to your child, even before the birth. Unfortunately, not all men think that way and are gone like the wind at the first whiff of fatherhood.
I'm sorry for your heartbreak at the decision your college girlfriend made. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:43:14 AM | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@ kaliecat
Sure, we own our own wombs. But we don't own what is in it. When there is a child growing in the womb, that means you have been given a life to grow, whether by the horror of rape, by birth control that failed, ...
Just alone the psychological stress that a woman suffers after being raped, never mind being forced to bear the child would push her over the edge, most likely to suicide. When a woman has been violated by rape, it is not her choice to bear that child.
Obviously you have not been raped.
And I can speak for many women who are not psychologically or physically able to bear a child who had their form of birth control fail would also be making the decision to save themselves. After all, if the vessel was to sink, so would the crew aboard.
Great that you would support the death penalty on murderers/rapists/tortuers, but yet you have no compassion for the woman who suffers brutally at the hands of a rapist. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 7:57:12 AM | @ cityhorse
no i dont thump my bible, in fact i am the last one to cast a stone. I look at it from the point of view of being a father, really. I love my children to death and there isnt anything i would not do for them. and i was actully on the fence about abrtion until the first sonagram of my daughter and that was what made the decision for me. it was the fact that here is somthing myseriously and marvoulousy and wonderfully made. and i was given a great honor and privedledge of being a father. religion has nothing to do with it. but its indescribable the feeling even a father has when they see the baby for the first time. I guess i jsut love my kids and think that its a joy that no one should want to turn down. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:03:53 AM | I am totally pro-life and don't believe in pro-choice..I had a very good friend years ago before I had my first daughter who had not 1 but 3 abortions..why..irresponsibility. Her case is not why I am pro-life, but why we stopped being friends..as you stated in your post, you believe that life begins at conception..so do I..SO IMHO... I believe that abortion is legalized MURDER!
I was 23 when I got preg. with my first and her Father and I had just split up and he had moved out of state(we were not married). I was due to "start" about 2 wks. after he left and didn't(yes I practiced bc, was on the pill). There was never at anytime a thought of killing something that was a part of me, that I had helped create. No, I couldn't find him to let him know, no I wasn't going to ask him for anything but felt he had the right to know he had a child on the way, as I do believe in the fotc having rights.
I am sure I will be bashed on this thread as I was on the one about the late term abortion doc being murdered, but I do have a right to my opinion. I BELIEVE it is God's choice as to whether the pregnancy should go to term..JMHO!! | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:04:05 AM | looking at it from property value also, in a realtionship its 50/50. when you own things or do things together (ie house car ect) now being that its takes a man who donates the sperm and the woman who donates the egg, the baby fetus or whatever you want to call it is still 50 percent the mans so therefore if a woman wants an abortion then she should have to settle and pony up financhally for the property of the mans that she is distroying. so there is no end run around it. yes it is in the womans body but its still 50 percent the mans.
and on the issue of rape. yes i beleieve in that instance there should be a choice, but what if that child was the next doctor to cure aids or cancer, or find a way to feed all the hungery and homeless | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:08:18 AM | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@ bgrumling
I think that is fantastic of you to have, support, teach and love your kids. And as far as your religion goes, not everyone thinks like a Baptist.
I don't dislike children, I just never wanted any. And no, I don't regret not having any children. Apparently I heard my God speaking to me at a very early age, and therefore I listened and made my decisions accordingly. To judge me because I turned down having kids is wrong. You are suppose to be a man of God.
After all for example, I don't believe in divorce (I myself have never been married - my God spoke to me about that too), and I don't judge you because you are a divorcee.
Some people hear their calling in life and if it is not to have kids, then so be it. I myself have followed the path in life that I was suppose to take. Just because it wasn't the same as your path doesn't mean that it was a mistake by any means. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:08:50 AM | @lgteyes
you go girl. you know i dont wish men would leave thier children. but i have to respect any woman who is a single mom and keeps her kids. i am a father, have been a step father and a step grandfather (all at 38). and the thing is it is a far stronger woman to be a single mom and keep the child then some of us men. I have the absolute unashed respect for a woman who is single and keeps a baby. i always say parenting is the toughest job you will ever love. there are so many joys and rewards its not funny | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:10:08 AM | To All Those Who Wrote In Defense of the Unborn,
Well done! I admire and respect your position. I applaud your courage and willingness to speak out. If even one woman decides to not have an abortion because of something you or I wrote, we have made a difference! :-)
Know this. You are on the right side of the issue. Someday the unborn will have a right to life and the worst holocaust in the history of mankind will finally come to an end. Future generations will look back, scratch their heads, and wonder, "What the hell where they thinking!"
Sincerely,
Timothy Paul | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:13:17 AM | | okay again my religion has nothing to do with it! religion is a very personal and private thing. I am going on expierence. baptist chatolic budest satan worshipper it dosent matter what my religion is. I hold high value on human life. and i respect your decision not to have kids. you are right most of us (unlike me )choose our paths. i am too free spirited and everything is on a whim for me. but the fact is religion has nothing to do with most of my beliefs. they are based on expierence. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:13:54 AM |
looking at it from property value also, in a realtionship its 50/50.
What?? you're serious aren't you .. 
That "might" fly if you were talking about an egg and a sperm being placed in a test tube - but until you carry that fertilized egg and your body goes through what it does in order to incubate it til it is fully formed .. til you have to change your life in order to nurture that developing pile of cells so that it can become a healthy baby with all it's limbs intact and a brain that works.. no .. sorry .. it's Not 50/50.
There are soooo many holes in your theory .. I just don't have time to poke them.
The ONLY thing about 'making a baby' that is 50/50 - is that moment that the sperm and egg collide - after that 'his' share declines rapidly! .. Sorry - but that isn't gonna help your argument either.
Pro choice. It is Not yours or my business what a woman chooses to do with Her body. It is her business. Between her, her doctor **And her partner - IF he is even on the scene.
I don't believe the general population have any business knowing why a woman needs an abortion. That is Very private.
The argument that this unborn pile of cells may become the person to cure cancer or world hunger?? lol .. >>Buzzer<< .. world hunger is curable - WE are just too greedy to do it.
Cancer? .. blahblah .. we already know so many of the causes, we choose to ignore them. I'm not waiting on the birth of an unwanted child to fix this world - that's up to US now.
As far as the "religious" argument? lmao .. BUZZER again! .. That's like telling me that if I don't change my mind Santa ain't gonna drop down my chimney this year!! And the Easter bunny is a direct descendant of Jobe!!! lol .. NOT
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:16:43 AM | timothypaul:
Life is not an "issue". life is a balanced fact and morality that is absolute. its a truth. its a fact. just like toppeling the aghan regime that killed raped and murdered women and children. fact: they needed to be stopped. jsut like the death penality: fact you put one to death there is less chance they get out and offend again. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:19:13 AM |
Just alone the psychological stress that a woman suffers after being raped, never mind being forced to bear the child would push her over the edge, most likely to suicide. When a woman has been violated by rape, it is not her choice to bear that child.
For starters, discussions about rape and incest to frame the discussion is to take a relatively small number of cases, in order to make it seem like something else. Fewer than 1% of all abortions have anything to do with rape or incest. Additionally, in terms of discussions of the psychological impact, women who have had abortions suffer serious depression at 5X the rate of women who haven't had an abortion. There are a number of other psychological and emotional disorders that, statistically, occur at far higher rates for women, who have had abortions, when compared to women who haven't.
As someone who has held a minor political office, and stood for election at higher levels and lost, I know that public policy is never made by the "extremes". No one ever gets, or should get, everything he/she wants. Public policy is made by reasonable people, who are able to agree to disagree, while developing rules and laws that give both sides some of what they want.
So, while, for me personally, abortion is always wrong, I don't believe that we can repeal Roe v. Wade. Adult women will always have the "right" to abortion on demand. However, since I also believe that every abortion that doesn't happen saves an innocent human life, reasonable measures to decrease the number of abortions, will save a lot of lives.
As an example, if I could form a proposal, it would start by saying that the same rules that apply to any other outpatient surgical procedure should apply to abortions. The same rules about "informed consent" that would apply to having beriatric surgery, for example, should apply to having an abortion. 72 hour waiting period, fully informed consent, and parental authorization ( or judicial bypass in extreme cases).
My proposal would also outlaw abortion beyond the point of viability, at 5 months, in other words. A woman, who has been raped, would have 4 full months to "choose", and I see little reason, other than to save the life of a mother, why abortion would ever need to happen beyond that point. Adult women, who feel "my body, my choice", would also have adequate time to "choose".
The same principle of "reasonable people" being able to work it out in a relationship, when they disagree on an issue. I don't know that I've had a relationship with a "pro choice" woman post divorce, but disagreement on this issue is not a "deal breaker". I do have some "pro choice" friends, although this is not an issue that we generally talk about. There's no need to, really, unless you're an activist, and it's a big part of your life. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:21:02 AM | | check your law. its been tried tested and upheld in the louisiana state supreme court. a man actually sued a woman for destruction of personal property when she went out and had an abortion and he wanted to keep the baby. he won 8.5 million from the mother. the legislature then passed a law stating that an fetus is 50/50 propety and a woman can be sued for damage to personal property. ( and louisiana is a mother rights state by the way). weak or not its case law | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:27:56 AM | The 'law' in ONE state, the results of One court case are in no way representational of the wide and varied opinions of those of us who choose to share our Opinions on these boards.
Since you brought it up - IMO the judge who heard the case and/or the jury - whoever made that 8.5million dollar decision did so out of their own biaise/religious belief/judgement - certainly not (again) representational of what is moral or Opinion.
In My OPINION - their is no 50/50 "ownership" of those developing cells.
You're entitled to your Opinion as well ..
I highly doubt that a similar court case would have any such results here in Canada..
Also - the case you cite is between a Husband and Wife - again far far from the vast majority of incidents where a woman would make that Difficult Decision to have an abortion.
fyi - If I were pregnant - I would not, Could Not have an abortion. I am Still very much ProChoice when it concerns someone I have no business judging.
Therefore ON TOPIC - I would not date a self proclaimed "Pro Life" advocate as it is Their tendency to Judge and demean those they have no business doing so with. Many preach the bible (as if "we" believe the same fairy tales) .. Many cite laws that 'may' apply in one or 2 states - this is a Global Forum - meaning it's not "just about the gold old us of a eh) ..
Would I date a self appointed judge a self annointed preacher a control freak or someone who otherwise feels they have the right to preach morality or belief to others? nope. I would not.
In my Opinion - IF judge and jury dictated as you state - they are wrong. Just cuz a judge says something doesn't mean I'm going to change my mind and date a person who believes as you do. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 8:28:17 AM | the problem with world hunger is this dictators : think about mogadishu somilia adeeed and his cronies kept the food from the people.
religions that worship animals and wont eat them because its against thier religion or worship the enviorment. ( no i dont believe in killing every animal in sight i believe in health management. we should not hunt animals to extinction, but not let them get over poupulated either). i do beleive in humanitarian aid TO THOSE WHO NEED IT AND ARE DOING ALL THEY CAN TO PROVIDE FOOD FOR THEMSELFS INCLUDING EATIN UNCLE HARRY, HE CAME BACK AS A COW HE CAN COME BACK AS SOMTHING ELSE. but those who are starving yes we should help them and make them self suffiecnt. not throw money at the problem when people in our own country are starving. charity begins at home. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:31:34 AM | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The topic here is
Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
The deviations that have been listed in this thread go from Michael Vicks fighting dogs, the women in Afganistan, the death penalty, and forcing women into unwanted pregnancies.
I can tell you that if some pro-lifer approached me in the hospital while I getting treated for being brutally raped and told me that I should be having the child regardless of the violent act that just had been committed on me, would be lucky to walk away unscathed. I would be demanding the morning after pill and be taking it immediately thereafter, no ands, ifs, or buts.
No one can ever know what is in the minds of women who are facing a unwanted pregnancy, or have those late term abortions to save their lives. If getting pregnant to a woman would be a death sentence, why leave it to God for both of them to die? Is that not double murder also?
Like A.S.is says, it is none of anyone's business except the woman and her doctor. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:33:06 AM | wrong again alex: the jury and the judge went on actual law in louisiana and by the way six other states have now adapted similar laws. its called the property laws and its based on anyhting given 50/50 is joint owners property so there fore much like a house or vehicle it is half and half and therefore montary punitive damages can be awareded. its like burning down your hosue that someone co-owns. you are causing finachial distress. thats the law makers statement not mine.
i wish you liberals would look at substant truth and not ideal whims and on the personal issue its also my personal decision and choice to smoke and no one should legislate that or to own a gun no one should legislate that either, following your argument | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:37:14 AM | | neither s my right to smoke in my home or in my car or outside. neither is my right to own a gun as long as i use it for hunting and home defense. neither is my right to ride a bike or motorcycle without a helmet. neither is my right to not wear a seat belt. these are personal choices that are exactly that. personal choices. but the same people that support abortion want to take my other rights of personal choice away. you cant have it both ways. i would back down and keep quiet on abortion if my other rights by the proabortionists were not intruded on, but they want thier way all the time. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:42:17 AM | | and i hate to say this but it you are in canada you have no right to even think about what goes on in the untied states. much like we americans have no right to tell the world what to do short of human rights violations and down right toltalitarian regimes that are dangerous to the world that doesnt wory about abortions, but what country they can obliterate by nuclear or chemical or biologiacal warfare and have 12 year old blow themselfs up. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:48:10 AM | | Ren: Personally I think you're exagerating the whole "murder" idea. For one thing, there aren't enough nerve endings to form an actual brain before 22-24 weeks and no pain censors until 28. I think the majority of abortions are performed before that. I get that it's still moving and has a heartbeat but so do people in comas who are braindead and most people don't have a problem with killing in that scenario. The pro life people LOVE to show off their "dead baby" pictures to everyone which shows how sleazy their motives are and it shows they have no respect for the babies themselves. The thing that really enrages me is that just because it happens to resemble us people give it more rights to live than other creatures (which we don't really have). THIS IS WRONG. A 22 week old fetus has no more awareness or brain capability than a lobster (which also has no developed brain. The human brain has no thalamus until well after 22-28 weeks so pain and understanding is not possible) yet I bet pro lifers wouldn't be opposed to boiling them alive. It's a COMPLETELY hypocritical stance to take. Insects have a more sophisticated brain, but no one seems to have a problem killing them. Why?....They don't look like us. Humans by nature seem to like to protect the "cute" animals and don't care about the ugly ones (hence the whole baby seal nonsense). I can't have ANY respect for hypocrites and I definitely can't take their point of view seriously. The root of this pro-life nonsense once again goes back to god and religion which somehow always manages to creep into almost everything in our society like the desease it is. Religion has no respect for any creatures other than humans (and that's a stretch) when it comes right down to it (and out of every creature we probably have the least right to be here). According to the bible animals don't have "souls" which pretty much proves my point right there. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 8:54:15 AM | Me personally, yes I could and have dated men that didn' wholly subscribe to all my beliefs in every area. The only time it's problematic is when it's more important of an issue on one side than the other.
Some people live, eat and breathe politics or religion. To some it's not predominant in their lives even though they hold to their own beliefs. Not everyone is an activist, so if it were someone that believed differently but wasn't an activist then yeah I could date them. Or to better say, I wouldn't exclude them from dating (assuming other factors are present) just because of that. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 9:01:18 AM | here is my whole thing its not religious by any stetch of the imagination. I believe in personal responsibility at its core. i stick it in a woman and she get pregnant i should be the man and father i need to be. i dont need the govenrment legistlating what kind of man and father i should be. i need to take responibility for my actions. I kill someone via dwi accident or out of anger with a knife gun or froazen turkey i should go to jail and recieve the death penalty, same as if i would rape a woman or molest a child. I believe in the fact that if i dont work i dont eat, but on the same side of the coin if i work hard and loose my job due to company cut backs, nafta or gat, or the econmy the govenment should help me until i find work weather it be 5 or 15 dollars and hour.
i believe its my right not to wear a motorcyle helmet or seat belt and face the consequences of those actions should i get into an accident. i dont believe in letting people starve but we should make people self suffienct also. I dont believe in worshiping animals but dont believe in sport hunting and extincting an entire spiecies of animals either. and on the aboriton issue, which we saw in wwII germany it boils down to if they dont like your sexual orientation, your religion, your eye color or hair color or race they can put you to death because of it and there is no one to stop them. you all say its religion no its personal responsibilty and the fact the government should not have too much control. and for all you non-americans this debate in america is not even for you. stay out of our ploitics as short of human rights violations and genocide we should stay out of yours. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 9:03:58 AM |
Personally I think you're exagerating the whole "murder" idea. For one thing, there aren't enough nerve endings to form an actual brain before 22-24 weeks and no pain censors until 28. I think the majority of abortions are performed before that
I've made it clear in many posts, that in terms of "outlawing" abortion, I accept that the state doesn't have the absolute obligation to interfere prior to viability. There have been babies born at 22 weeks, who have survived on their own. So, if you and I were to sit down to create public policy, let's go with that and outlaw abortions beyond 22 weeks.
The pro life people LOVE to show off their "dead baby" pictures to everyone which shows how sleazy their motives are and it shows they have no respect for the babies themselves.
The problem I have with your "reasoning" CW35 is that you resort to improper syllogisms to make your "point". It's saying that a few extremists are pro-life. A infintesmally small percentage of pro-lifers have resorted to violence. I'm a prolifer. THEREFORE, I will resort to violence. It's a ridiculous line of "reasoning".
52% of people identify as pro-life. What percentage of 150 million people do you really think are shooting doctors or blowing up abortion clinics? The same thing applies to "showing dead baby pictures", really. Only a very small percentage do that, so to paing what "prolifers do" with a premise based on flawed logic is to make a reasonable discussion impossible.
The root of this pro-life nonsense once again goes back to god and religion
No, it doesn't. It goes back to ethics, which for many, are rooted in religion, but society is based on certain ethical norms, separate and apart from religious belief. In every civilized society, the taking of innocent life is against the law. Protecting innocent life is an expectation of a duty of government. In our society, a woman who delivers a baby, and an hour later throws it into the dumpster, would be prosecuted. So, it's where do we draw the line, on when a viable human life exists, that is a reasonable discussion, in terms of public policy. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 9:04:08 AM | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
and i hate to say this but it you are in canada you have no right to even think about what goes on in the untied states.
What are you talking about? You think that Pro-Life and Pro-Choice people don't exist here? God, are you a idiot.
And the rest of your bla bla bla on the rest of the world, in which you most likely haven't been to, is just some dumb a*s talking through his hat. You really don't have a clue what really goes on.
Stick with the thread topic, or be gone. | |
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