| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/23/2009 7:52:56 AM | | in louisiana and now 6 other states in the south there are property laws that if the woman wants an aboriton and has one and the man does not, and the woman has one anyways, the woman and the doctor can be sued for destruction of personal property. the thing being the baby is half the man because he must donate the sperm. so the its my body deal is no longer a valid argument in some states. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/23/2009 7:57:14 AM | andrewwiggen:
you are a moron. i am neither conservitive nor liberal. i am neither democrat nor republican. I am the truth seeker a realist. and at least i have the testicles to stand for what i believe. and find to be true. where do you stand. i have seen your rantings and it seems that you stand for nothing and fall for everything. one of the governements favorite types. ( until its too late and you are in an interment camp with jackboots around you) and then you wonder how did we get in this position. and i never claimed to be able to spell, nor be intellegent. pick your words wisely my exact quote was cw you seem to be an intellegent guy. i never said i was. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/23/2009 7:59:07 AM |
I could never date a man who doesn't respect me as a person who has the right to control her own body, and instead thinks that the government should be allowed to make personal medical decisions for me, against my will. Amen to that! I would understand and date a pro lifer, if he spent his life working to take care of poor, hungry, unprotected little ones who are already born... Otherwise, I would basically consider him a hypocrite trying to legislate about a woman's rights and her body. M | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/23/2009 8:02:19 AM | begrumling: You make a good point about how science can flip flop and one day this may be the case and I'll have to change my opinion and eat crow. However, I can only base my current opinion as to what week abortion is technically "murder" on the evidence at hand. Good call on Andrew by the way. After reading his other thread posts, I tend to agree.
apainintheas...er apainlessend: So after one of your usual ridiculous "look at how clever I am" diatribes who's only motive is to try and use boring wordplay (with clever bold and italic text that has no rhyme or reason), your only real comeback is that I'm completely unintelligent because I accidentally misspell a couple of words out of everything I've typed? We've all come to the conclusion that I'm the biggest ass*ole on the planet. This is a given. Let's move past this and come up with something to go up against what I understand to be scientific facts regarding the time when a fetus becomes a sentient being. If there is proof that everything I've read is false then I would like to be pointed in that direction. I have no problem doing a reversal of opinion based on evidence or facts, I'm just not going to form ridiculous opinions or ideas based on emotional response due to fundamentalist jargon or sensationalized, misleading pictures. I look forward to further pointless ridicule, clever "look at me" wordplay and lack of scientific evidence since that's obviously what's coming. lol. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 6/23/2009 8:12:59 AM | | the real point is on the whole issue is we all have a right to our opinion. and no one can tell anyone how to live there lifes because they have not walked in thier shoes. we all have our own roads to travel and our own crosses to bear in life. and my situation maybe different then someone elses. should we stand for what we believe yes definately. should we cram our views down someones throat. no but a good healthy debate is good. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 5:12:22 PM | The same thing as two people.... one religious and one not.
Respecting one anothers decisions even if you dont agree.
I think it would all depend on where you were in your life (age, mentality, with/without children already) and where you want your life to go. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 5:52:56 PM | I wonder how many people that have posted in this thread have had any "first hand" experience with abortion. My guess is that there are a few, but like anyone who has been through a very tramatic experience, they may wish to keep such matters private.
Whatever your position is on the subject, I suggest you recognize that is legal. It is the choice of the parties involved, and it is PRIVATE. I HATE when I see these types of threads (as I do with mental illness ones) where every hairy-dicked Tom & Tamantha come out of the woodwork to chastise people for their feelings on extremely difficult topics.
I would say that some who have experienced abortion would understand what I mean when I say... a little part of them died that day.
This discussion is too close to a religious debate and I wish the thread would go away. Believe what you believe, but be respectful of others opinions. DO NOT shove yours on to another.
PEACE | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 5:55:28 PM |
Believe what you believe, but be respectful of others opinions. DO NOT shove yours on to another. I agree 100%...
Regardless of my personal opinion on anything, I was taught while growing up to practise tolerance of ideals and thoughts that are different to mine.
Probably a big reason why I like to debate, but not argue... | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 6:03:18 PM |
Can you date a pro-life advocate if you are pro-choice, and vice versa? Is there a way to find a happy medium with them? Or are you just better off sticking with partners who believe as you do?
i would like to think i could. i don't really understand though....are pro-life folks against BC or just abortion? ... i'm not trying to make 3 million kids, though i could easily | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 8:09:14 PM | How would you compromise on an issue like this?
In my opinion, for two people to be compatible, they MUST share a very similar personal philosophy and that includes religion and spirituality. This is the biggest dealbreaker of all, not age, not race, not the host of other superficial things that people seem to sweat about unnecessarily.
The bigger issue here is probably between believers and non-believers...if you trace this issue back to its' roots. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 9:02:42 PM | Hi Justin. Depends on the people. This is a pretty fundamental belief and can be (can be) indicative of other core beliefs that may differ. But, it depends on what else you have. If you are both reasonable , mature adults, who completely understand and accept that there are other valid opinions in this world besides their own, I think you have a chance. I would not walk away from a relationship because of this..but I wouldn't ignore it (or other differing core beliefs) either.
I personally formed the opinion that I have now in school. I have challenged that opinion more than once. In school, I had to write a legal brief supporting either pro choice or pro life. I started off and completely wrote the paper pro life. Tore it up and rewrote it pro choice.
I do not advocate abortion, certainly not as birth control. I do absolutely advocate a woman's right to choose. And yes , I realize that it sucks completely for men. I don't have the answer to that where reason and good judgement fail (usually that's the only time there is a conflict). I also know that a woman who does this will live with it for the rest of her life.
Here is where I'm at. We should find the common ground between the two sides. It is definitely there. Throw out the far right zealots who murder in the name of pro-life and the far left zealots who will fight til the end for late term abortions. In the middle, none of us wants abortions. The answer (a start anyway) is education, free & readily available birth control (and I'm not talking condoms!!), and ceasing to reward women for bringing children in the world as a means of making money. Those things right there would reduce the amount of abortions significantly. And I know it won't satisfy either the far left or right..but really I (HOPE) think most people can be reasonable and practical. I don't like the idea of it..but there are some barbaric practices out there..I've held a woman's hand who was getting an abortion without pain relief because it was the state law to not allow it and she didn't want to drive out of state. If I knew before what I know now, I would have insisted we go out of state and not just offerred it. It's ridiculous. I never want to hear such screams ever again.
But I'd also like some better counselling for women...this will stay with most of them for the rest of their lives. You could say it should , and it certainly shouldn't be taken lightly. But I'd like them to know this before going into..especially the young ones who don't comprehend. Really, I'd just rather eliminate the need.
I personally have had boyfriends that are pro-life. I respect that opinon even though I don't agree with it. It's not like I'm all jumping up and down and cheering for abortion fgs. I wouldn't like it if they tried to force their opinions on me (& I certainly wouldn't do so either..exchanging them is great because you can learn and grow though)..but most of the men I go out with can't debate me anyway so they don't try ;-)
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 9:05:29 PM | That's really hard to say! However, men don't have to carry the baby for nine months, go to prenatal appointments, buy maternity clothes, actually have the baby!
All this is before the child is born.
Luckily, I've never been knocked up!
I probably couldn't! | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 8/31/2009 11:28:49 PM | Pro lifers make me wish I was aborted.
Actually, it depends on when it's done. The abortion that is. Using abortion as late birth control is stupid, and I'm anti-stupid, unless I'm making a fart joke. However, very early termination of a pregnancy is not killing a human. More like a frog, still with it's tail even though it's beyond being a tadpole. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 9/1/2009 12:22:38 AM | {Respecting one anothers decisions even if you dont agree.}
Rickeyes58:
{"Thats fine, as long as it's your decision exclusively"}
You didnt finish reading the post...(see below) Was I not spacific enough? My bad.
I think it would all depend on where you were in your life (age, mentality, with/without children already) and where you want your life to go. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 9/1/2009 3:23:08 AM |
religion and spirituality. This is the biggest dealbreaker of all, not age, not race, not the host of other superficial things that people seem to sweat about unnecessarily.
not really. i do not care about ones religion but looks are very important to me. i don't really care if people do or do not want abortions, as long as no clinics are bombed. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:05:07 PM | I am deff pro choice and would not date someone who was pro life... It would cause too many problems. Just like I wouldnt date someone who was super religious or felt it nessesary to make me talk about politics.
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:44:42 PM | For me, it's about tolerance and ability to be flexible and talk about these things or even debate them.
I had a great 3 year relationship and engaged to a guy who was a very strong Catholic and pro life and I've been agnostic ever since I moved out of my parents house...2 days ago..haha...just kiddng...about 12 years ago and Im very much pro-choice. Never once had an arguement about religion or the abortion issue because we each respected the others views/beliefs.
And if that bridge ever had to be crossed, we would have decided what would be the best option at that time. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:48:57 PM | we would have decided what would be the best option at that time.
No , he would have agreed or disagreed.
Men have NO say in the matter
And if he agreed , he would be whats known as a "Rainy day catholic" | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:53:25 PM | "Why isn't this a subject that couples discuss upfront?"
Well it's generally not something I bring up on the first date, unless he loves a good debate like I do. But generally around the 3rd or 4th date, it's probably already been discussed. To me, it's important that even if he doesnt share my view, he understands it. And I want someone to be practical and rational in their decision making, not just "cuz I said so." If someone has good key points, I'll listen. But if it's the same broken record...peace  I want someone who can tell me WHY they feel a certain way.
I would much rather date a person who is passionate about being pro-life than someone who is pro-choice but cant really tell me why. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 10/24/2009 6:55:50 PM | "No , he would have agreed or disagreed.
Men have NO say in the matter
And if he agreed , he would be whats known as a "Rainy day catholic"
In my relationships...my partner does have a say-so in the matter.
And he can disagree with abortion while still agreeing to be supportive of my decision no matter what it may be. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 10/24/2009 8:40:29 PM | "but he could not EVER explain what lead him to form that opinion. Total moron."
Yup...dated a couple like that. The 'blank stare" when you actually have the audacity to ask them why they feel so strongly. Its usually because no one has ever questioned their stance and I guess they think it scores them points to be controversial. But not if they have no idea why. | |
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| Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice in Dating *scary music swells*
Posted: 10/24/2009 10:39:07 PM | | I think the question of pro-life or pro-choice is a redundant one because that is what condoms and the pill are for. I think when you get yourself into a situation by accident or without thought and the baby cannot be looked after by the parents or parent or not wanted, then it is a bad situation either way. Even if you do keep the baby and look after it, it is going into a situation where it isn't wanted. Prevention is much better then a cure. Who is to say if the baby is adopted out that the parents don't regret that so unless the baby is wanted and kept, then it is pretty much a situation that won't end well in all likely hood so pro-life or pro-choice scenario should be avoided in the first place. | |
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