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| Online Dating Guide for Men: Part Deux
Posted: 5/4/2006 5:54:50 AM | | Id like to add something,,,,regarding emails. Guys,,please dont assume that just because we are from the same state and maybe even the same area,,that im going to automatically want to go out with you. Some men do assume that,,and right off the bat in email #1 they say they want to meet and even give their ph #. Ummm,,,,thats a total turn-off for me and i can make up my own mind,,ty,,,on whether i want to meet you or not. The first few emails ,,to me,,shouldnt even mention about meeting. Say something about some of the interests in my profile and tell me about that. Shows that you have READ my profile and lets me know that you may be interested in the same things. Id rather get to know you by emailing and talking about normal everyday things first to get a feel of who you are and the type of man you are. Soon as i see a ph # and see the word 'meeting' in the first email,,i just roll my eyes and my mind is already made up ~ he gets a polite reply back with a 'no thank-you'. | |
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| Online Dating Guide for Men: Part Deux
Posted: 5/5/2006 9:54:21 PM | | hmmm wow.. its like the online version of "men are from mars women are from venus" hmm im embarassed to say that i actually got a few tips from here such as having a decent profile and writing comments longer then hey your beautiful lol.. thanx alot woody | |
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| I guess some don't know...
Posted: 5/6/2006 6:20:52 AM | Wow, I was hoping for some pointers that maybe, just maybe, I didn't already know, when I read your two threads.
Christ, was I wrong. You state painfully obvious things, which I am sure are absolutely invaluable scraps of info for many guys. Unfortunately, I am not one of them. I read the screed and I bet I am still going to be just as hopelessly f*cked as before I read them.
Perhaps you should include this phenominal link in future instalments of "Women: for guys that have no clue how to think of women as human beings"...
www.laddertheory.com
Sorry this isn't a stroke-reply but frankly, some men just have a certain "je ne ses quoi"*
that insures that they will be without a signifigant other for a very long, long time.
Sorry ladies that have replied, apparently there are things that go on in your minds which you either choose to never speak about or don't know about and those very things are what make young chaps like me...uhm...well...for lack of the better word; f*cked.
I really hope there are some other guys that read this reply and confirm my little diatribe. Don't worry, Woodrow, I am fairly tired and I am sure there are holes in some punctuation and spelling on this reply for you to rip on...if you even look at this fossil of a thread anymore.
(yes, I know I am pretty bitter now, but things made me that way and I can [unfortunately]guarantee I am not the only one)
-Cheers-
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| I guess some don't know...
Posted: 5/6/2006 8:42:58 AM | I would't be quite as mean as Wrar, but he has a point. These things are, or at least should be, common sense. Assuming that the less than stellar examples of male-kind can actually read, you've now re-introduced Cromagnon man into the gene pool.
I feel these should be taken down. Do men that stupid/insensitive/inbred really deserve to be with a woman? You're doing a disservice to the women of POF. Chances are that if a guy was going to make one of these mistakes before, all your advice does is mask what a fouled-up piece of work they are. They didn't change, they just learned to hide it.
Better that idiots be allowed to show their true colours up front so that judgements about their character can be made without the pain of the first date, or more importantly, before they get a woman's phone number or address.
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| I guess some don't know...
Posted: 5/6/2006 4:48:09 PM | I like that people(women, mostly) say that his collection of screed is well-written. Yeah and I'm Ernest Hemingway.
I am gonna side with yainh on this definetly, if a guy actually needs that device, he deserves to wallow in the superficial women that they manage to snag with free drinks and lousy dances at clubs. | |
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| Goodness lads, just step back from the keyboard...
Posted: 5/6/2006 8:09:43 PM | And you miss MY point: that you shouldn't be giving these types advice, tongue in cheek or no. I'm not offended. I found it funny to be honest. It's existence doesn't bother me, just that it's being presented on the main site as advice, not a joke.
Let me be a little more crude in my analogy: if taken to heart, you've taught the predator to better catch its prey. I would use a stronger word than predator, but to do more might offend some, and I don't wish to make light of the issue. Some men not only send pictures of their unit, they use it less than responsibly or morally in person.
Ok, sure, some men are just stupid. Natural selection will take them out eventually, but why slow it down by giving them pointers? | |
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Posted: 5/6/2006 9:20:08 PM | A little larf of an advice colemn or whatever , which can be found under the heading of "DATING ADVICE".
An idea for part three, it could look like this:
Tips for men, part three...
If you found the advice bestowed on you in the past two instalments, you're completely ****ed. You deserve to be lonely and single forever. Please say "hi" to right hand for me when it visits.
-Cheers- | |
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| Hang on, hang on. Stop the freakin presses.
Posted: 5/9/2006 7:11:09 PM | Woodrow. No need to write a book. What? "A Dummy's Guide to Self-Help"? Please put your writing skills and intellect to better use. I really think your target audience is marginal.
I know, I know… I hear it coming. "It was just a joke. A JOKE." Well, some would say there's an element of truth to every joke… And there's a certain edge to that post that hints at a little more truth… Gosh. Who knew you had a little closet man-basher raging inside you…?
But ok. Let's give compliments where compliments are due: The Guide is funny, almost compelling - and somehow utterly maddening. You manage to be pompous, yet still totally adorable. In one (albeit exhaustively long) thread, you insult EVERYONE. Now. I don't know how your oral skills are (hey, practice makes perfect for pretty much everyone) but, that? That's talent! And ultimately, that's what makes you stand out to me.
Alrighty. On to the real reason for my rant. Is anyone going to come to the defence of the guys? Anyone?? I mean, I've only met a handful of men from here, but they've all been genuinely, sincerely nice. Fine. There were no sparks, but not because they were all stupid, or infantile, or even necessarily unattractive. (I think it's wise to embark on this knowing the chances are slim…) And sure, I've gotten more than a fair few obscene emails, but c'mon. It's all par for the course, is it not? And so, realistically, even if some guy you don't know sends you a hissy-fit of an email and calls you names reminiscent of what you used to hear on the playground… Does it really matter? If it keeps you from sleeping at night, perhaps Internet dating is not for you. It's not for everyone, so maybe not for you. Just some food for thought.
Lastly… I have to disagree with the whole theory on women posting pics of their T&A. Really. The amount of amateur porn-star shots (of men and women) is astounding. They do tend to exude a certain "that's all I have to offer" kind of vibe. Am I so old fashioned? Am I the only one who thinks it's shamelessly classless?? And here's the thing. I'm just some very averagely attractive girl. But… If push came to shove, I could cram and contort my girlie parts into something vaguely befitting of a Playboy cover. Let's face it. We all can. It's God's cruel joke on men. Now, don't get me wrong… I'm a firm believer in the need for that primal, visceral lust. It has to be there. But, umm… Hello. You're not going to know until you actually meet. So save it.
Perhaps some more food for thought… I can't complain about a single guy that I've met on this, yet it would be foolish of me to presume that my "weeding-out" techniques are so superior…
Please fish responsibly. :) | |
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| Hang on, hang on. Stop the freakin presses.
Posted: 5/9/2006 8:16:20 PM | Woodrow: You may wish to check your profile.......? Tried to send you a note but it didn't work? Not because you had restrictions..........just please go see it!!
OT: What is the question? | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 8:31:33 PM | V Dubber: THE best post I've read from a "girlie" in a LONG time!! VERY well said!! 
(Are you a VeeDub fan? He seems to have a fan club that is growing by the minute! Is that where your name came from?) | |
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| Hang on, hang on. Stop the freakin presses.
Posted: 5/9/2006 8:51:46 PM | Well after I read this whole thread to see what all the fuss was all about, I must admit that I'm disappointed but entertained.
I will not agree with Woodrow. You people can now start flaming me like flambé but please consider that I care as much about your comments as St-Exupéry did for Léon Werth.
So, where should I begin if not from the start? Here’s a guy who obviously is very wordily, so I understand why everyone is going “ouuu” and “AAAAA” on him. He’s also quite the story teller, so it’s all thumbs up until here.
Where I’m confused is why did he have to write this? A joke, certainly, and that’s what he says. But for a joke, it’s a little embroidered. I honestly considered the first guide to be a joke. This one is more about pounding the same nail all over again, useless.
So I don’t know man, honestly I see this as polite bashing, showing off how much better you are. And in some ways it works for you. You’re on what 200+ favorite lists… what can I say other than good job?
For the mere mortals such as myself, I find this to be like turning the knife in the wound considering that I get what, maybe 5-10% replies. Even if I don’t show my joystick, even I truly want just friends and even if I don’t send angry messages when I see READ DELETED for a message that I actually spend quite some time to think about.
Anyhow, it really doesn’t matter, just wanted to add my grain of sand to show that it’s not all funny. So you can now start calling me bitter/sore/f*ked up and the rest. Just a reminder St-Exupéry did care about Léon Werth, very much. | |
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| Hang on, hang on. Stop the freakin presses.
Posted: 5/10/2006 7:25:58 AM | Hey. Another girl who knows about Volkswagen. Awesome. :)
And Rasado... Anyone who likes sugar pie and maple syrup ROCKS. (Mais voyons... Si ta blonde est a Montreal... Qu'est ce que tu fais ici?!? Branche-toi pis demenage!!! :) | |
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| Online Dating Guide for Men: Part Deux
Posted: 5/11/2006 12:34:35 AM | woodrow9876, Was this a result of mistakenly taking estrogen tablets, or a blatant attempt to gain a woman's approval?
It's not that I disagree with some of these statements, but I do question your motives (unless, it was the estrogen tablets doing the talking). | |
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| Fishin for some direction
Posted: 5/11/2006 8:56:10 PM | Okay, so I'm new to the online dating scene and am trying to get a handle on it. I've read through the guides and advice from everyone with a keyboard and what can I say... this is quite the place to hear opinions.
Now, I've done what I can to put together a profile that fits the bill for interesting reading that gives a glimpse into my soul... and yes, I double checked that I haven't violated any of the rules from on high... dripping with sarcasm. Now what I wonder is, how well does online dating really work, and this site in particular. I'm an intelligent guy ( look I even spelled it right) so I don't expect the seas to part and beautiful interesting woman to fill my mailbox with sentiments of "where have you been my whole life", all I'm hoping for is some stimulating converstation (of the mind you perverts :p ) and maybe to make a few friends along the way. I'm on some of the other sites out there, just having found this one, and am really disappointed at the lack of interaction with others. I know patience is golden but I wonder, after having read so many other similar comments do most of the people on these sites actively participate and respond to emails? Any thoughts from all you vetrans out there?
The forums, on the other hand, do seem to get thier share of traffic so I'll try hanging out in here when I'm looking for something to do when I'm too wired to sleep.
Happy hunting everyone. | |
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| Hang on, hang on. Stop the freakin presses.
Posted: 5/11/2006 9:56:46 PM |
They do tend to exude a certain "that's all I have to offer" kind of vibe. Am I so old fashioned? Am I the only one who thinks it's shamelessly classless??
I fully agree. What gets me is then they say "don't send me a picture of your penis". I'm sorry but what do they really expect.
I did make a comment earlier in the forum but have to admit I have now seen both sides. Everyone has made some good points. I have been on the recieving end of some of these interesting people, and really if you look at my profile I'm probably asking for the rude comments to come my way, but when you really get to know me, you know "ME" and my profile is just a small part of me. Lets face it if I wanted to lay it all on the line I most definitely would not be doing it on a internet profile, you have to have something to talk about. I'm not hiding anything on my profile, it's what I believe, and it's how I approach life...but I don't need to be slammed for speaking my mind in my own profile.
once again my few cents...lol | |
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| Online Dating Guide for Men: Part Deux
Posted: 5/12/2006 4:09:07 AM | My My
I haven't read any of the male profiles on POF. After reading A&B I can see why I repeatedly run across ladies profiles (not alott to be fair) that seem prickley and in some cases combative. I have been on other sites that are offered as Adult ( read 'XXX rated') and the incredible number of purple penis pics is mind numbing. Apparently I was mistaken in my assumption that this was the expected form of advertisement on that kind of site; that in fact this is the prefered form of demonstration by men with a serious lack of imagination and little to offer. The same must be said of a certain overabundance of crotch shots from the ladies as well. Seen one , seen them all or near enough. I never really stopped to think about the ego behind the pics. I was too busy ( once past the mile of skin ) trying to winnow the wheat from the chaff.
On two occasions I sent tongue in cheek e-mails on POF gently chiding these women for their apparent difficult stance. On both occasions, I was soundly trounced and told in no uncertain terms to **** ***.
I plead ignorance. I was not aware that these ladies were the targets of such abuse as has been suggested here.
Dense? Maybe.
Stupid? No.
My apologies ladies. | |
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| Goodness lads, just step back from the keyboard...
Posted: 5/12/2006 8:56:06 AM | Good point Vainh.
If the readers were able to relate to the suggestions, then they probably saw it as advice. Its a little hard to laugh at something that describes your own actions. So for those of us who thought it was funny, we are probably safe in the natural selection process. For those who feel insecure, ask yourself why.
I thought it was entertaining, but in a Jerry springer kind of way. You know, taking pleasure in seeing how much dumber some people are, so I guess I'm not so bad. Obviously a lot of thought went into those sarcastic analogies, even though there is abundant material to draw from out there.
I would like to see the author take up the challenge of an article for those of us a little higher on the evolutionary ladder. It would be harder to make sound funny, and need to be more subtle. Maybe then the good guys could get some help, and he could get some more Male praise. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2006 1:11:10 PM | two peices of my two cents on pics in your profile :
1. Nobody gives a **it what kind of car you drive.
no scratch that - a vane woman that's out for your money and your status; wants to make sure you have a lil tiny weewee; and doesn't care anything about YOU cares what type of car you drive
2. (and this is actually for guys AND girls)
 pictures of JUST your child.
If I was interested in dating your child, (well first off there'd be all kinds of things WAY freakin wrong with me) I would - okay.. I would just bypass you all together.
But I'm not here for your child, I'm here for you.
Pictures of JUST your kids - not cool.
You're tooling your child/ren and you'll never hear from me.
Pictures of JUST your child are kind of like pictures of
JUST your car or
JUST your tatt, or
JUST your wrack
JUST your ass
or JUST your tiny lil weewee. 
Nobody worth the time CARES!!!  
My .02cents thats all it is.
it doesn't make me right and you disagreeing with me doesn't make me wrong
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Posted: 5/12/2006 3:01:09 PM | I used to be involved with that famous rating site as a moderator, so when I take a couple minutes to review pics here, I usually reject any picture that doesn't include someone resembling an adult human.
I'm all for pics of your hobbies and kids, but I'm not interested in dating your car or your pets, so if you want them in your pic, include yourself in the pic as well. | |
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| Wonderful suggetions Woodrow
Posted: 5/13/2006 11:16:21 AM | Great Work, Woodrow!!!
Lots of common sense stuff for those who may be lacking in common sense and it had me laughing so hard, I was crying. Thank you. | |
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| Goodness lads, just step back from the keyboard...
Posted: 5/13/2006 3:15:14 PM | vainh,
if taken to heart, you've taught the predator to better catch its prey. I would use a stronger word than predator, but to do more might offend some, and I don't wish to make light of the issue. Some men not only send pictures of their unit, they use it less than responsibly or morally in person.
No he didn't. Not any more than teaching good manners. What part of what he wrote alluded to strictly getting in a woman's pants or to take advantage of her? Yes, his aim was to tell something that was generally true, and it is. Giving ANY advice about dating, could be considered "teaching predators to better catch prey", by your rationale. So there should be no advice given when it comes to approaching women? What advice WOULDN'T be constituted as how you describe his? Advice that you (only) like to hear?
Advice about having a better grasp of what a job interviewer is thinking, doesn't mean it's cut-throat, or you're taking advantage of a company. Yes, someone who does aim to be a "predator", and women as "prey", could use his advice for their goals -- but so could good manners -- and that's what his advice was more about -- what not to do, what not to complain about, and justifying it by what women generally look for in a guy. | |
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| Goodness lads, just step back from the keyboard...
Posted: 5/13/2006 6:08:02 PM | Buddy, did you read the "advice"? I'm done debating this. Woodrow has stated that he didn't ask for this to be posted as advice, but as a laugh. I'm cool with it being there as a laugh.
But, if, and obviously this is a big if, you actually READ this and took it seriously, you need to give your head a shake. Of course, there are men that are simply clueless as to how to approach women, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with them otherwise. They are not dangerous, probably good, decent guys. Nothing wrong with giving them advice. I'm sure they wouldn't need to be told THIS stuff anyway. Only a complete moron would need this advice.
However, were this real, the type of guy that this is targetted at is not "nice" or clueless. They're just pigs, and frankly, beyond any help a little advice would give. Would you want a guy that would randomly send a picture of his****to your daughter/sister/mom dating her? Would knowing that the only reason he didn't was that someone had to TELL him that it was a bad idea make you feel better about him? Think about it.
Again, there is no need for debate. I'm right, you're not changing my mind, and if I you can't see my point, good luck with that. Hope you'll stop sending pictures of your manhood to chicks at least.  | |
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| Online Dating Guide for Men: Part Deux
Posted: 5/14/2006 4:57:46 AM | Great job! However, just when you think you have everything covered...something else comes along and you realize there must be a part 3!! Please add...
1. Use a picture that has been taken in the past six months. As you mentioned, do NOT include a picture of yourself sans shirt, pants, or other vital pieces of clothing!
2. Have a friend (preferably someone more intelligent than yourself) proofread what you have written. If you have no friends, try typing your message into Microsoft Word and using spell check, then paste it here. NOTE: If you see a lot of green while using the spell check feature, you also need help with your grammar.
3. As an extension of the above, please realize the difference between woman and women. Erase your catch phrase if it states "In search of a good women".
4. Try not to sound like you are standing on the edge of a bridge contemplating a jump. Statements like "tired of being lonely" are not attractive.
5. Try not to sound bitter. I'm sorry that your ex cheated on you. You may want to edit your profile where you state "I hate cheaters and liars". It makes you sound a wee bit jaded! Also, if you get a date with someone, try not to mention your ex in each and every sentence.
6. If you try to send an instant message to a woman, and she does not respond, do NOT use the smack feature on your computer! I was chatting with someone and another user decided to send me an im. I did not respond immediately so he "smacked" me 12 times. Can anyone figure out why that guy is still single?? lol
Thanks for the great reading. Let's hope it makes a difference! | |
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| Online Dating Guide for Men: Part Deux
Posted: 5/14/2006 5:15:01 AM | Nice to see we are not men; merely petulant children. Boys who throw stones because the house is glass. I'd like to think I've learned my dating "knowledge" from experiece, from dating. Sure, you can up your game with some helpful tips and advice but that will not change how you act and attract.
If every girl liked men who brang her flowers and I brang her flowers, what is the problem? Exactly similar to dating articles, more often than not they are all the same thing.
Life sucks, then you die. Deal with it - I went almost 5 years without a date but in the end, it was who I was and not what I was trying to be that rained on my drought.
Well written article, nonetheless...
Cheers | |
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