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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/27/2009 11:56:47 AM | | Survival of the fittest. Some places in Mexico have things going on that are so horrible we can't even imagine, so yes, I would cross the border illegally if it was to survive. BUT, I do not agree with people who come across the border to work in America and send money to their family there and start a new family here. I've actually heard some illegal immagrints talking about REFUSING citizenship. It isn't fair to American's who have to pay taxes for federal programs that could possibly be going to help people who don't have to pay the same taxes... it's almost like a penalization for being a Citizen. That being said, I do not so much believe that immigration is the problem, I think that we need stricter guidelines where work is concerned, taxes ect. I believe that America is founded on Freedom and if you would like to join us, more power to you, but you should be held to the same standards as everyone else. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/27/2009 1:10:22 PM | JackDiamond, to the contrary - Mexico created brochures telling illegals exactly how to break our laws and come here. They want to dump their unwanteds on us, but sure love getting the money they send from here once they break our laws and live off our tax dollars.
And SA Guy, no I DON'T love our cheap labor or cheap dope. Ya running out of ideas huh.....why don't you just admit already that illegal immigration is distasteful, wrong, no one likes it and it should just be over already. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/27/2009 1:58:31 PM | Your right Im out of fight...I cant get anyone to give me logical...real life solutions...
plenty of ranters...plenty of racists...plenty of pissesd off people. but little solutions. Not even suggestions.
I cant think of one well thought out fix...plenty of "I got bullets" or lets just round them all up and send them back...
but I shouldnt be supprised, Americans wants a War over in months, yet they have no idea it takes months to plan the movement of man power and machines to the other side of the world...we want it now...no, we want it yesterday.
the logistics in moving 1 million people out of this country would be mind boggling...
Now mulitply that times how many illegals there are here.
I dont think America has the stomach to see hundreds of men women, and children rounded up and sent to holding camps...then shipped over the border. Night after night on the Evening news showing Trains, buses, and planes loaded with illegals being shipped off...No America I dont think you have the stomach for a real life Deportation.
so everybody talks a good game, but there isnt the social and political will to do it... | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/27/2009 2:26:34 PM |
I dont think America has the stomach to see hundreds of men women, and children rounded up and sent to holding camps...then shipped over the border. Night after night on the Evening news showing Trains, buses, and planes loaded with illegals being shipped off...No America I dont think you have the stomach for a real life Deportation.
so everybody talks a good game, but there isnt the social and political will to do it...
This is where I think you are gravely wrong. You are confusing the social will of Americans with the political will of the Politicians.
I think the majority of Americans wants this issue fixed. I think most Americans could stomach seeing the deportations. It is simply nothing more than moving any other criminals.
The real objections come from the Politicians. The same Politicians that don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for what is right when it could potentially alienate some voters. The Politicians are afraid to offend the legal Hispanic community for fear of losing a few precious votes. So, they are willing to trade the future of this country for their own political gain. It is a sad situation, but it is transparently true.
but I shouldnt be supprised, Americans wants a War over in months, yet they have no idea it takes months to plan the movement of man power and machines to the other side of the world...we want it now...no, we want it yesterday.
Wow, what an incredibly ignorant statement. Painting with a pretty broad brush there, SAguy. The majority of Americans are aware of the logistics required to undertake a war. However, most people believe that the mechanisms of war be in place before entering into the war.
SAguy, you grossly underestimate America and Americans. You underestimate what we are willing to do and endure to correct the illegal immigrant problem. And you are insultingly underestimating the intelligence of Americans. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/28/2009 4:52:45 PM |
JackDiamond, to the contrary - Mexico created brochures telling illegals exactly how to break our laws and come here. They want to dump their unwanteds on us, but sure love getting the money they send from here once they break our laws and live off our tax dollars.
My point is we make it easy for them to break our laws (even to the point of trying to change them in their favor) ... not only by looking the other way.... but by also providing an education, health care and jobs. (A Gift Basket) And then on top of that debating amongst ourselves if they should just be allowed to be legal.
I know it doesn't sound like a great thing to do.... building a great big wall... making us seem unfriendly as some would put it. But before we even think about rounding anyone up and sending them packing.... we need to fix the border.
Like someone put it.... building this wall... would create jobs...
And if we can fix the leaks in the boat... then we can start bailing out the water. I think some people would just be happy with the fact we were not taking on any more water... and then wouldn't be so concerned about bailing any water out... Who knows?
The main issue is fixing the leak. And this would also help Mexico, with this drugs and guns problem... and the slavery trade that is going on. People who pay to come here, only to be held for more money. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/28/2009 4:54:12 PM | "Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teamming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Come to me all that Labor
and heavy Laden and I will give you rest.
I go and prepare a place for you that
where I am you may be also.
I died that you may live. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/28/2009 5:11:51 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is no problem SA Guy. Your flowery sentiments. But for God's sake don't even make me think about paying for the "huddled masses". I'll be damned if I'm responsible for their health care (better than I get!), education, and welfare.
You're really running out of defenses for them huh LOL.
Why don't you open up your house and let some of 'em live with you? Put your money where your mouth is.
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Oh...forgot to address your other attempt at using sentiment as a justification.
I DO have the stomach for rounding up. I completely would enjoy every scene of watching the people leeching off my country being transported back to their home. I would probably not be able to sleep, I'd be so happy at getting my country back.
And as another aside: did ya know? Having kids is completely, entirely preventable. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/28/2009 5:28:09 PM |
"Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teamming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Come to me all that Labor
and heavy Laden and I will give you rest.
I go and prepare a place for you that
where I am you may be also.
I died that you may live.
Where does this say:
Come enter illegally,
Take our jobs,
Ruin our economy,
Ignore the laws of our land,
That was nice prose you posted from the Statue of Liberty. But how does that prop up your support for illegal immigration?
We will still take immigrants just as we always have. But it must be legally and in a structured manner. The doors cannot just be flung open for all comers.
Nice try though.............. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/28/2009 5:39:17 PM |
I know it doesn't sound like a great thing to do.... building a great big wall... making us seem unfriendly as some would put it. But before we even think about rounding anyone up and sending them packing.... we need to fix the border.
Like someone put it.... building this wall... would create jobs...
You do realize that Congress approved the building of a wall during the Bush administration. I'm pretty sure that Bush signed the bill too. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/28/2009 9:18:59 PM |
You do realize that Congress approved the building of a wall during the Bush administration. I'm pretty sure that Bush signed the bill too
Obama voted for that wall.
Illegal Immigrants make up nearly 30% of our federal prison population. It can cost the taxpayer anywhere from $25,000 to $40,000 per inmate per year.
It takes a brand new kind of dumb for anyone to say we do not need to tighten our borders. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 1:55:13 AM | Illegal Immigrants make up nearly 30% of our federal prison population.
Wait a minute...Im confused.
First you all complain when the Federal Government doesnt do enough to deport illegals, then when the Fed steps up arrests on Federal Immagration Laws, y'all are complaining about the cost.
Just wait till you start the deportation process by the thousands and the bill comes due...your complaining of some 7000+ Ferderal inmates in the process of deportation...
Remember, that once arrested by the Federal Government, the defendent is intitled to Due Process, it Has to be Proven the the defendent is indeed a person who is in this Country illegally. It is up to the Federal Government to prove that.
So unless you are willing to Change Federal Immagration Laws and the Constitution of the United States, get ready to shell out the bucks.
///Please dont give me the " They are illegal, they dont deserve rights..."
Innocent UNTIL proven guilty... | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 4:44:59 AM |
This is one of those odd situations where this simple fact exists.They are GUILTY the minute they step over the border
come on...if a person is caught crossing the border...
but the fact that someone is guilty, still has to be proved in a court of law...That is Federal Immmagration law. and the US Constitution.
AND, if an Officer asks me for Identification, and I cant produce one, Am I subject to immediate deportation? Or am I still afforded Due Process? Or are the Police only going to suspect Brown people? Round up only Brown folk? Because everyone can tell from just sight, which ones are illegal.
Some folk may want to side step my Constitution, But I will defend it... | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:04:56 AM | saguy, calling people racist because they don't want our country overrun by illegals just shows you true colors. nice try hiding behind the statue of liberty and the constitution though. what you refuse to admit though is that these are ILLEGALS. not aproved immigrants. when the statue of liberty was given to us by france there were about 70 million people living in the lower 48. now there are almost five times that amount in the same area(including illegals, students and green card holders). maybe you like living ten to an apartment but the citizens of our country sure don't. nor do we enjoy paying out hundreds of billions of dollars to educate medicate and feed these illegals. nice try on the guilty arguement but it doesn't hold water either.
the claim of mexico to nevada,california, new mexico,arizona etc is specious at best. a few villages and a couple dozen missions doesn't imply control over an area of almost a million square miles. face it, you just want to live in a latino dominated country where spanish will be the language of the land. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:44:59 AM | A person can be a racist and not want illegals here.
or a person can be a patriot and not want illegals here...
The racist know who they are...
there are some...through their statments, show me that it wouldnt mater if a person was legal or not...they rather not see any mexicans here at all.
I in no way was implying that all that want illegals out were racist...Im sorry I didnt make that clearer.
and as for me wanting to live in a latino nation where spanish is spoken...I already do | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 9:13:49 AM | I like how some people (not necessarily ones in this thread) automatically rag on the mexicans for "taking their jobs."
Okay, fair enough in some sense that maybe your boss gets rid of you for an illegal. But what does that say about the business man?
It's these corrupt business jack-offs that are trying to make a bigger buck by hiring these illegals. THIS IS ILLEGAL BUSINESS ACTIVITY.
But nobody ever goes after the big guy, the root of the problem, they only focus on the side-effect of the problem.
Pro-tip, these mexicans wouldn't be in this country if
A) Mexico wasn't so f*cked up in the first place (and the US doesn't really seem to give a damn about mexico, so whatever)
B) Greedy ***hole Business didn't hire them in the first place.
But nobody wants to think about that because those are more complicated problems with no easy solution. So lets focus on something we can point at and say "GET THE **** OUT"
because it's simple, and doesn't require much work. Now aint that ironic? | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 12:27:00 PM |
if an Officer asks me for Identification, and I cant produce one, Am I subject to immediate deportation? Or am I still afforded Due Process? Or are the Police only going to suspect Brown people? Round up only Brown folk? Because everyone can tell from just sight, which ones are illegal
Did you know that only 60% of Illegal Immigrants are hispanic?
All I said was that we should tighten our border control, and I cited a fact that nearly 30% of our federal prison population is filled with illegal immigrants. That fact alone is enough of a reason for me to think lowly of anyone who does not want to tighten up on illegal immigration.
They commit crimes. They cost the American taxpayer entirely too much money. They are not all here to work.
Some folk may want to side step my Constitution, But I will defend it
Please do not talk about how precious the Constitution is to you. The left wing of America has crapped all over it for the last 100 years. You don't care about the Constitution. If you did you wouldn't be supporting federal involvement in healthcare, social security, medicaid, medicare, or even welfare.
You wouldn't be supporting Obama as we speak, who is continuing the illegal wiretapping and loss of privacy rights that Bush began. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the boarder into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 1:29:54 PM | Did you know that only 60% of Illegal Immigrants are hispanic?
so what does that mean? are you saying that the high percentage(60% your figure) of hispanis being illegals,...that all hispanics are therefore suspect. What does the percetage, either low or high, have to do with Due Process.
Here's percentages for you...Someone said if an illegal is crossing the border and is caught, there is no need for a deportation hearing. That might be Immagration law,
but what percentage of illegals are crossing the border versus the percentage of illegals already here. The theory of caught crossing the border and shipped right back, only makes up for a very small percetage of illegals...Now-how do you deal with the rest...Some say round them up...round who up.
You may have 60% if illegals being Hispanic, but 60% of Hispanics are not illegals.
I dont know about the left-wing crapping on the constitution for the past 100 years, if you have specifics I like to read them...
But I will leave you with two that happend in my lifetime.
United States v. Nixion when the special procecutor wanted Nixion to turn over the Tapes, Nixion claimed Excutive privliage...the Court said NO...the tapes were relavant in a criminal procecution.
Boumediene v. Bush and
Rasul v. Bush... the Court overturned Bush's suspension of Habeas Corpus for Accused Enemy Combatants. The Court went on to order Bush to shut down Gitmo
detention centers... | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the border into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 2:21:11 PM |
so what does that mean? are you saying that the high percentage(60% your figure) of hispanis being illegals,...that all hispanics are therefore suspect. What does the percetage, either low or high, have to do with Due Process
I was actually trying to point out that a great number of illegals are not hispanic, in response to your ridiculous suggestion that racism had anything to do with Americans not wanting people sneaking into our country illegally. It is a felony to do so, and you are throwing a fit about due process? It's not hard to determine if someone is a citizen or not. Finger prints, and identification through social security or birth certificates can be verified fairly quickly.
It's not like police are arresting these people and just driving them straight to the border with no due process. They all go to the local jail system and are properly processed. It takes very little time to verify if they are a citizen or not.
what percentage of illegals are crossing the border versus the percentage of illegals already here. The theory of caught crossing the border and shipped right back, only makes up for a very small percetage of illegals...Now-how do you deal with the rest...Some say round them up...round who up
Here's how you deal with the illegals already here. You make it law that they do not receive free healthcare or education from our government. You crack down and place tougher penalties on business owners who hire illegals. (Off the top of my head, why don't we seize the business and all assets if they are caught hiring illegals? Why not? If you get caught growing Marijuana on your property the government can seize your property. Why can't the government seize a business if they are hiring illegals?)
When the jobs start drying up, and the benefits are not flowing, the illegals will stop coming here.
You may have 60% if illegals being Hispanic, but 60% of Hispanics are not illegals.
Who said this? This is what happens when you try to discuss something serious like this with a left winger. Their brain starts drifting off and they start imagining things no one ever said.
I dont know about the left-wing crapping on the constitution for the past 100 years, if you have specifics I like to read them
Just google "Obama illegal wiretapping" for a more recent version. You do not understand our Constitution, you do not care about our Constitution, and you obviously do not care about the rule of law. You do not even know about the current administration ignoring our Constitution. It kind of scares me a little to know that you vote at all.
Why would anyone be supportive of illegal immigrants coming here to work for slave like wages, being used by cheap criminal employers as tools, so they can send most of that American money to a foreign nation where the money will barely get spent here? You're supporting the abuse and misuse of people.
If we cracked down on illegal immigration, maybe they will stay in their own countries and try to change things where they are from, instead of bringing their problems to us. 30% of our federal prison population proves that they are not all here to work hard for their families. | |
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| If you were Mexican and you knew that by crossing the border into America.....
Posted: 6/29/2009 3:29:42 PM | I find it so intresting that several people here have not answered the question, which is the title of the thread and a couple others assume they know how I feel about the subject in the first place...Others have written about how swell Mexico is and how much Americans are moving there in droves..Well I'm not going to tell people what to write even though I prefer an answer to my question before one starts ranting and raving..And please try to stay on topic don't hijack the thread..Thank You Peace, Byrd | |
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