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Posted: 6/20/2009 1:06:48 PM | ^^^I'm not sure why you think you've proven anything. All you've posted is an anecdote, and there's no assurance you're telling the truth. And even if you are sincere, it's possible that there was a reason for you getting beat up that has nothing to do with race. Maybe that big, strong, black man did have an interaction with you that you have forgotten. Or maybe you had an interaction with someone he knows.
The bottom line is, unless you can read other people's minds (highly doubtful), you have NO IDEA why he hit you.
At that time I was built small and was a pretty quiet kid
Hey, maybe THAT'S why you were attacked. Bullies don't attack the strong. They attack the weak. Did you ever consider that possibility? Why not?
If a big, strong, white guy walked up to you and punched you for no apparent reason, would you assume it was because of your race? Basically, you have NO IDEA, and NO EVIDENCE, concerning why you were attacked, but you assume it was because of race because your attacker was black. How is that not a racist assumption?
And I'm not accusing you of racism. I'm asking you to explain why assumed the black man attacked you because of race when you have NO EVIDENCE to support your claim of racial victimization | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 1:07:23 PM | msg 60: because you were white? or just because you were new kids, younger kids...?
I got hit a lot too, as a kid, in fact have permanent damage to one eye. It was a male person doing it. Doesn't mean I hate all males; quite the contrary, in fact. But I do hate that male, the one who abused me. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 1:28:23 PM |
We didn't dare go to the boys room...we'd hold it all day long. If we went into the boys room
Im sorry your childhood was so traumatic, I had no Idea...Did this go on everywhere in America? were young boys terrorized by other races? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 1:47:21 PM | ^^It didn't go on anywhere in the US. It's made up.
That poster thinks he can fool people into thinking a few black kids terrorized the entire school and all the white kids just cringed in the corner, trying not to mess their underwear.
And if true, it suggests they didn't have the gonads appropriate for the men's rest room. Maybe they got beat up because they belonged in the women's rest room | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 2:25:18 PM | | there you go again, ismene. blacks assaulting white men happens so often they have a name for it, wilding. it has reached epidemic proportions in this country, and when it happens the media is silent. but when a black male is assaulted by whites the media is all over it. have you ever been bloodied because of your skin color? i doubt it. but it's always ok to beat up a white male. blacks have dozens of names for whites that carry just as much racism as n8gg8r but they can be used freely without repercussion. george jefferson was every bit a bigot as was archie bunker, but only archie has been held up as a racist. but that's ok, you have your gender issues and your hatreds to deal with. i've never seen you decry women's gender discrimination but i guess it's ok for you to do it. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 3:03:02 PM |
It didn't go on anywhere in the US. It's made up.
No, it's not made up. Just google May 1st, aka, Beat up a White Kid Day. Or, the Jena '6'. Or, Kill Haole Day (in Hawaii). Shall I go on?
Your ignorance and/or denial is simply amazing. What a deluded little world you live in.
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Posted: 6/20/2009 3:25:51 PM | | What goes around comes around? So the ways of the world, they just keep repeating themselves and when you try to be respectful to people they take advantage of you, because of fear, so why are all you men so scared of eachother? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 3:31:19 PM | ^^Its just the conservative men. They are consumed with fear. There isn't anything too small to provoke a panic from the rightwing men. They are afraid of:
redefining marriage because it will turn their children into pedophile and beastiaphiles
socialism
muslims
gays
lesbians
transexuals
transvestites
Iranians
Iraqis
reparations
the school boy's room
Obama's gonna take our guns
the US govt
and on and on.
Oh, and I just learned that they're also afraid of "wilding". They think it's reached "epidemic proportions" (Fact, all categories of violent crime have been declining) | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 3:37:27 PM | No, it's not made up. Just google May 1st, aka, Beat up a White Kid Day. Or, the Jena '6'. Or, Kill Haole Day (in Hawaii). Shall I go on?
Funny, but when I googled it, all I got was links to racist websites like Stormfront. I guess only bigots believe in lies like that.
Your ignorance and/or denial is simply amazing. What a deluded little world you live in.
Yes, it's absolutely incredible that anyone would think differently than you.
blacks assaulting white men happens so often they have a name for it, wilding
Wilding is so 80's. Time to take off those parachute pants and get a real haircut.
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Posted: 6/20/2009 3:43:08 PM |
blacks assaulting white men happens so often they have a name for it, wilding. The term wilding is not about black on white violence; you are misapproprating the term, which means: "The act or practice of going about in a group threatening, robbing, or attacking others."
but it's always ok to beat up a white male. I have never said or suggest beating up anyone was okay.
george jefferson was every bit a bigot as was archie bunker, but only archie has been held up as a racist. For those who understood the program and it's satire and irony, George was presented as and considered as much of a racist as Archie.
but that's ok, you have your gender issues and your hatreds to deal with. Which are? I have no gender issues I'm aware of and no hatreds, especially toward whole genders, races, etc. I definitely do not like racism, true. And I definitely don't hate men, though it is true I have no liking for fools, be they men or women.
i've never seen you decry women's gender discrimination Your point isn't clear: are you saying you've never seen me disapprove of discrimination against women? That you haven't seen it is neither here nor there, but I certainly have written about it from time to time, when it comes up. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 4:16:36 PM | | oops missed again.george may have been portrayed as much a racist as archie but only archie has been held up as a bigot. he is often used as a derision against whites but george was just funny. my post on women's gender discrimination obviously referred to women discriminating against men. the fact that this concept is so foreign to you proves my point.when women ridicule, emotionally abuse and physically abuse men and the vast majority of women think that's all right, then there is a double standard. i've read dozens of your posts in other threads and thought you were pretty smart but the cavalier way you dismiss discrimination against men leaves me to wonder. btw, wilding is an official term used to identify wanton black on white racist violence.. it may have been derived from the dictionary term but now it has an official meaning. curiously, these punks aren't being charged with hate crimes. in fact, oregon pased hate crime legislation that stipulates that only white men can be accused of hate crimes. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 4:42:33 PM |
the cavalier way you dismiss discrimination against men leaves me to wonder. I didn't dismiss anything, neither in a cavalier or any other way. I was unable to ascertain the meaning of your statement because it wasn't written clearly. Your implication was not at all obvious. Discrimination against men, holy shite...am I supposed to write you a treatise on everything I believe and why? I don't believe in or accept discrimination against anyone, period. You are right in assessing my posts as being fair minded, if that is what you mean. I don't do what is called 'male' bashing: If I criticize, I criticize individual behavior or general behavior, I don't ever say all people of one gender behave in certain ways. I think you are perceiving how George Jefferson was seen from your own perspective. He was portrayed as a bigot, chauvinist, and all around narrow minded, mean spirited guy. He had a huge problem with his son marrying a mixed race woman and with her parents being 'salt and pepper.' The fact you don't understand hate crime legislation indicates again that you have a certain perception about reality, one that not only disagrees with mine, but appears to disagree with the legislative body of the State of Oregon. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 4:49:47 PM |
george may have been portrayed as much a racist as archie but only archie has been held up as a bigot.
I love the way you "hold up" George as a bigot while complaining that George isn't being held up as a bigot. Please promise you'll never stop posting. I need the laughs
when women ridicule, emotionally abuse and physically abuse men and the vast majority of women think that's all right, then there is a double standard
Aww, poor baby! Are those mean women saying things you don't like because that's not abuse.
When did conservatives become such crybabies? Maybe if you acted like a real man, and stopped whining about ridicule and "emotional abuse", you'd see the ridicule stop. Women don't particularly like whiny effeminate men (but some (approx 5%) men do) | |
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Posted: 6/20/2009 5:02:26 PM | msg 60: because you were white? or just because you were new kids, younger kids...?
Miss Ismene, I'll respond to you, because from most of your posts, I see you as a reasonable person. Not so of a few others on this thread.
Yes, that's the way it was in that particular school, and yes, it was the white kids being attacked by the black kids. It didn't matter if you were new, or younger, or older and bigger, because it was never one on one, it was always two or three on one. Even the town white kids caught it, in the wrong circumstances. They kept to themselves and stayed in groups...I guess the early days of town gangs, maybe?
I posted that anecdote just to give another example that there has been black on white hatred in this country in addition to all other types of hatred...no other reason. It was not a racist post, and I'm not going to get into the fray with those having the argument here.
I regret that racism and slavery and hatred have existed, but they have existed as long as humans have. look at the Jews in Egypt in the time of Moses...look at the Holocaust...look at the constant fighting among the different Muslim sects...yes, I regret that it happened in the USA, but an apology for it? Reparations? Not the answer. We can't correct the past with an apology. We can correct the future though...but it won't be easy, with all of the closed minds I've seen. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 12:02:51 AM | Yes, that's the way it was in that particular school, and yes, it was the white kids being attacked by the black kids. It didn't matter if you were new, or younger, or older and bigger, because it was never one on one, it was always two or three on one. Even the town white kids caught it, in the wrong circumstances. They kept to themselves and stayed in groups...I guess the early days of town gangs, maybe?
I posted that anecdote just to give another example that there has been black on white hatred in this country in addition to all other types of hatred...no other reason. It was not a racist post, and I'm not going to get into the fray with those having the argument here.
I regret that racism and slavery and hatred have existed, but they have existed as long as humans have. look at the Jews in Egypt in the time of Moses...look at the Holocaust...look at the constant fighting among the different Muslim sects.......Reparations? Not the answer. We can't correct the past with an apology.
I wonder where that school was. That would have been about 1958. In those days, black Americans were under a lot of constraints, so I find this scenario surprising, though I don't disbelieve. I lived in a large city in the Northwest, a quite conservative city and state, especially in those days. My grade school and high school had very few black kids, and those who were there were either accepted if they made a big effort to be sociable and fit it, or not accepted and stayed on the edges of the social groups. There were a couple of high schools in my city that were probably 90% black, so maybe the white kids who went there were harassed by the black kids. I find it amazing no teachers stopped this kind of thing.
However, as I said, I was physically and verbally abused by when I was young, all the way through childhood until I left home at 17. I do not hate all males for what one (and until I was 10, two) male(s) did. I would hope that thinking people don't hate all people of one race for what a limited number of people did. My concern and point was that being beaten up because you are white is not an excuse to be a racist, or shouldn't be.
Yes, there will always be some type of prejudice; even if we were all the same color or nationality, people would, and do, find things to hate each other for. However, that doesn't excuse it. We should not do what others do but do what we know is right. We don't excuse our behavior because someone else has behaved that way; isn't that what we teach our kids? So why do adults use the same excuse?
I don't think reparations are feasible and I don't think an apology will solve anything or correct the past. I think the apology is a diplomatic gesture that may serve to sooth some troubled waters, a small step toward building a better future. I don't think it can hurt, and as an Australian poster said, they did it there, "What's the big deal?" | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:00:54 AM | I wonder where that school was. That would have been about 1958. In those days, black Americans were under a lot of constraints, so I find this scenario surprising, though I don't disbelieve.
This was a suburb of Philadelphia, PA. There was no enforced segregation in that town, no constraints. And this was about the time frame you mentioned. White students in the school were greatly outnumbered. Looking back, I often thought that we were sent to that particular school to try to achieve a racial balance. We were actually closer to another Jr. High school in the same town, but in a mostly white section of town, with mostly white students. We were bussed past that school, to the one we attended.
During those three years, the rural township where we had spent grades 1 - 6 had built a secondary school system...a Jr - Sr high school which covered grades 7 - 12. It was opened for my tenth grade year. Because of the dempgraphics of the community, it was all white, with the exception of one boy of Chinese heritage, though born in America. He was simply one of us. Oh, I remember one or two of our thickheaded bullies making comments about him, but never to him. He was in the upper tracks, highly intelligent. The rest of us would never have stood for any of those low-life bullies attacking him.
My next contact with blacks on a daily basis was college. I grew quite friendly with a couple of black students in the music department (I was a music major), played in band with many...I remember especially "Chico", a black sax player. Whenever the rock band I was playing with then (all white kids from the same rural high school) needed a sax player, Chico was our first call! He spent many nights at my parent's house with me for a weekend gig. It was a totally different feeling, and new to me...spending time with him and some of his friends...nothing like the Jr. High experiences. I have worked with black musicians since, and as a teacher had black students.
I don't know if it was maturity, or just getting away from that Jr high he77hole, but I have never experienced anything like that since.
To be honest, I have never seen segregation in any places I've lived. Unless you count the natural tendency for all ethnic groups to tend to live in the same section of towns...there is usually a black section, a hispanic section, etc...but by choice, not force. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:25:07 AM | This is for the people posting on this thread, who for some less-than-factual reason think that brothas never beat up white people.
Are you furkin kidding me?
One of you clowns said you worked in bad neighborhoods, I found that hilarious, it's one thing to work there, and totally different to live in the ghetto. Well I was raised in South Philly during the 70's - 80's
I was in a terrible gang back then, and we went around robbing and beating up whites almost on a daily basis. Racism during that period was blatantly harsh. Riding the trolley train back and forth to school through the Italian grotto was hazardous, my white brothas would shoot at the bus, too many fist-to-cuffs to remember right on the train. throw beer bottles, M-80 fireworks.
I remember many times during the school year while attending Bok High School, many of the students refused to go to school, so they could seek revenge on their white friends.
I'll refuse to go into detail, but some of them got what they were looking for. I'm by no means a racist, as I've seen first hand the belly-of-beast of what hatred can make people do.
So enough with the delusional comments about white people not getting their ass kicked, that's just stupid.
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:40:05 AM |
I'll refuse to go into detail, but some of them got what they were looking for...
So enough with the delusional comments about white people not getting their ass kicked...
What I said, if you read my post carefully w/o jumping to conclusions, was that I did believe it happened that white men/boys were beaten up by blacks for no other reason than being white--it does happen. However, I don't think it happens 'for no reason' other than being white as often as is claimed: I find that often a white man will give it as a reason for his racist attitude, and he will give it as a reason when all other reasoning or rationale to justify his racism has not been convincing. If all else fails to justify his racism, he suddenly comes out with the 'fact' that he was repeatedly beaten up by blacks for no reason other than being white. I believe the guys saying this probably had one or more fights with black boys or men, but that it was a mutual conflict and may have been about exchanging insults or something. I'm not saying it never happens, I am saying I am skeptical about how often it happens for no reason.
Also, I note that you say 'some of them got what they were looking for...' which suggests that some of the white people who your friends attacked didn't just get attacked out of the blue because they were white but because they may have said or done something that fueled hatred....not an excuse for being attacked, but a reason. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:46:45 AM | I'll make this as plain as I can..
No..we attacked, humiliated, beat-up and robbed unprovoked. (Sometimes women)
Sorry to put it like this, but during that time there was a seething hatred towards whites. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:55:13 AM | I'll make this as plain as I can..
No..we attacked, humiliated, beat-up and robbed unprovoked. (Sometimes women)
Sorry to put it like this, but during that time there was a seething hatred towards whites. As I said, I don't disagree that it never happens, I am saying something quite different. Apparently it is more important for you to be right than to understand what I am saying.
While it did happen, most white people did not have this happen to them. The amount of white men who claim that it did is not realistic. I know white people who grew up in mixed neighborhoods where it never happened to them. What you describe did not happen everywhere, though it did happen.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is more likely not happening as often as these guys claim. This is what I wrote initially and am still saying. It doesn't disagree with what you are saying. I am tired of white men using such a claim as a reason to be lifelong racists. While black on white violence exists and can happen without provocation, it is not all pervasive across America; but if you believed the claims of so many white men, no matter where they lived (and few are talking about living in large urban areas of the Eastern US) , then you'd have to believe this is a very pervasive phenomenon. It is far more likely that these guys are talking about going to school with black kids and not getting along with them and that the racial tension which fueled any fights was mutual. So it is their claim that it was all unprovoked and they were completely innocent is something of which I am skeptical. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 6:29:09 AM | No..we attacked, humiliated, beat-up and robbed unprovoked. (Sometimes women)
Sorry to put it like this, but during that time there was a seething hatred towards whites.
Well, you also said that they didn't attack whites who were working in the area, only non-workers. I find that claim very suspicious.
So tell me, when these vicious and hateful thugs you knew as a youngster went around beating up white people "simply because they were white", did they ask if they were on the job? If not, then how did these thugs know who was working and who was not?
The idea that these thugs were somehow "discriminating" between working white people and non-working white people is laughable. Call me a joker all you want, but nothing I've said is as funny as the idea that these hate-filled thugs were filled with sympathy for the white people with jobs.
The truth is, because we carried thousands of dollars in tools, we were a target. The fact that we were working put us in more danger, not less. They knew we weren't from the neighborhood, so they had less to fear from retribution from us. We weren't members of a gang that would go looking for them. We weren't residents of the area, so they knew we wouldn't recognize them. And, they knew we carried money.
So basically, I think you're full of it, and your story is just an attempt to gain some thug credentials by proxy. Boy, you sure grew up in a rough neighborhood, didn't you? You must be some tough guy, having seen "the belly of the beast" (there, do you feel validated now?)
Oh, and for the record, I not only spent years working in some of the worst black neighborhoods in NYC, I also grew up in one of the most racist neighborhoods in NYC. Ever hear of Bensonhurst, Sheepshead Bay or Canarsie? They were neighborhoods where a black person would be beaten to death for simply walking down the street. I witnessed several race riots, instigated by whites.
Ever consider that those thug friends of yours were motivated by something more than just blind bigotry? | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 6:40:38 AM | Nobushlover..did you READ my post? I was one of those thugs, and I never stated we were selective, the meter man and the mail man were always targets of opportunity.
I fail to understand your animosity, but you can believe what you wish.
And how stupid is it, to try and tell someone that they were not a racist?
I think I know who and what I used to be fella...please get a grip. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 6:49:30 AM |
To be honest, I have never seen segregation in any places I've lived. Unless you count the natural tendency for all ethnic groups to tend to live in the same section of towns...there is usually a black section, a hispanic section, etc...but by choice, not force.
That you think minorities clustered in some neighborhoods (ie ghettos) "by choice, not force" makes nearly everything you say suspect. You must have gone through those decades with your eyes and ears covered to not have learned about racial discrimination in housing.
Ghettos had higher rents for crappier apts, high crime rates, poor public transportation access, higher prices in the stores (to make up for theft), crappy schools, hostile police, etc and you think black people CHOSE to spend more money for a crappier place to live? You really believe that discrimination and force had *nothing* to do with it?
Such obliviousness must be deliberate. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of racial disrimination in housing. Your being the first makes you an unbelievable source of info about anything that happened in that era because you obviously were clueless, and even now, decades later, you STILL are oblivious to racial discrimination
If you're too clueless to see the motivations (and the systemic racial discrimination) behind the clustering of minorities in ghettos, then I'm justified in believing you are incapable of seeing the motivations held by those black kids who beat up white kids.
As a child, the house of my best friend was fire bombed because the real estate agent brought a black couple to see the house, which was for sale. The fire bombers spray painted "S KEEP OUT" on the sidewalk in front.
And yes, the black couple "CHOSE" to look elsewhere for a place to live. In your fantasy world, where blacks CHOSE to live in substandard housing, no FORCE was used. 
I suggest you Google "racial steering" and acquire a clue. It's obvious that, while living through the times, you had no idea what was going on. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:03:20 AM |
Looking back, I often thought that we were sent to that particular school to try to achieve a racial balance.
hdspringer,
the above quote is another sign that you have no idea of what was going around you when you were a student. Busing students in order to achieve racial balance was an issue in the 1970's, not the late '50's and early 60's, when you were in 9th grade. In the 50's and 60's, if children were bussed, it was to increase segregation, and not to achieve racial balance.
That you would be so clueless to think that the Philly schools were trying to achieve racial balance by busing suggests you will believe anything that suggests whites were behaving nobly (not discriminating against blacks in housing, trying to desegregate schools, and being beat up in return) while the blacks were hateful bigots (beating up white kids simply because they were white and CHOOSING to live in high crime ghettos) contradicts the well-documented history of racial discrimination during that time. Your obliviousness to this history, which continues decades later to this day, makes your judgement unworthy of any crediblity | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:18:47 AM | Mr Gent
I did READ your post. Here is what you said
<div class="quote">One of you clowns said you worked in bad neighborhoods, I found that hilarious, it's one thing to work there, and totally different to live in the ghetto. Well I was raised in South Philly during the 70's - 80's
I am a white man who mentioned that I worked in black neighborhoods. In response, you made the above statement. If you didnt make that statement to imply that my not being beaten up "simply because I was white" was because I was working, then why did you say it is "totally different to live in the ghetto"?
Obviously, your remark was meant to imply that the reason I wasn't beaten "simply because I was white" was because I was on the job, and if I had lived in the area, it would have been "different" (ie I would have been beaten "simply because I was white" )
But maybe I misinterpreted your intent. Please feel free to explain why you mentioned this "difference" and how living there (vs merely working there) is relevant to this discussion about whether or not black kids beat up on white people "simply because they were white"
<div class="quote">I fail to understand your animosity, but you can believe what you wish.
So, you call me a "clown" and then wonder about animosity? You obviously have a deficiency when it comes to perceiving what's going on and in determining other people's motivations. You failed to notice how your insult created hostility, so why should I believe you did a better job of understanding the motives of your thug friends.
<div class="quote">And how stupid is it, to try and tell someone that they were not a racist?
I think I know who and what I used to be fella...please get a grip.
Exactly where did you see me say you weren't a racist? You're the one who needs to get a grip. A clue would also be good for you.
And as far as who and what you used to be, I see no reason for me to believe a word you say. You came onto this thread with hostility and insults, and then accuse me of animosity and falsely claim I said you're not a racist. You obviously have a warped sense of what you've done in this thread. Your lack of self-awareness regarding your own words and their effect does justify my wondering if you really do know who and what you are, | |
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