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| Senate passes apology for slavery, segregation
Posted: 6/21/2009 12:02:51 AM | Yes, that's the way it was in that particular school, and yes, it was the white kids being attacked by the black kids. It didn't matter if you were new, or younger, or older and bigger, because it was never one on one, it was always two or three on one. Even the town white kids caught it, in the wrong circumstances. They kept to themselves and stayed in groups...I guess the early days of town gangs, maybe?
I posted that anecdote just to give another example that there has been black on white hatred in this country in addition to all other types of hatred...no other reason. It was not a racist post, and I'm not going to get into the fray with those having the argument here.
I regret that racism and slavery and hatred have existed, but they have existed as long as humans have. look at the Jews in Egypt in the time of Moses...look at the Holocaust...look at the constant fighting among the different Muslim sects.......Reparations? Not the answer. We can't correct the past with an apology.
I wonder where that school was. That would have been about 1958. In those days, black Americans were under a lot of constraints, so I find this scenario surprising, though I don't disbelieve. I lived in a large city in the Northwest, a quite conservative city and state, especially in those days. My grade school and high school had very few black kids, and those who were there were either accepted if they made a big effort to be sociable and fit it, or not accepted and stayed on the edges of the social groups. There were a couple of high schools in my city that were probably 90% black, so maybe the white kids who went there were harassed by the black kids. I find it amazing no teachers stopped this kind of thing.
However, as I said, I was physically and verbally abused by when I was young, all the way through childhood until I left home at 17. I do not hate all males for what one (and until I was 10, two) male(s) did. I would hope that thinking people don't hate all people of one race for what a limited number of people did. My concern and point was that being beaten up because you are white is not an excuse to be a racist, or shouldn't be.
Yes, there will always be some type of prejudice; even if we were all the same color or nationality, people would, and do, find things to hate each other for. However, that doesn't excuse it. We should not do what others do but do what we know is right. We don't excuse our behavior because someone else has behaved that way; isn't that what we teach our kids? So why do adults use the same excuse?
I don't think reparations are feasible and I don't think an apology will solve anything or correct the past. I think the apology is a diplomatic gesture that may serve to sooth some troubled waters, a small step toward building a better future. I don't think it can hurt, and as an Australian poster said, they did it there, "What's the big deal?" | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:00:54 AM | I wonder where that school was. That would have been about 1958. In those days, black Americans were under a lot of constraints, so I find this scenario surprising, though I don't disbelieve.
This was a suburb of Philadelphia, PA. There was no enforced segregation in that town, no constraints. And this was about the time frame you mentioned. White students in the school were greatly outnumbered. Looking back, I often thought that we were sent to that particular school to try to achieve a racial balance. We were actually closer to another Jr. High school in the same town, but in a mostly white section of town, with mostly white students. We were bussed past that school, to the one we attended.
During those three years, the rural township where we had spent grades 1 - 6 had built a secondary school system...a Jr - Sr high school which covered grades 7 - 12. It was opened for my tenth grade year. Because of the dempgraphics of the community, it was all white, with the exception of one boy of Chinese heritage, though born in America. He was simply one of us. Oh, I remember one or two of our thickheaded bullies making comments about him, but never to him. He was in the upper tracks, highly intelligent. The rest of us would never have stood for any of those low-life bullies attacking him.
My next contact with blacks on a daily basis was college. I grew quite friendly with a couple of black students in the music department (I was a music major), played in band with many...I remember especially "Chico", a black sax player. Whenever the rock band I was playing with then (all white kids from the same rural high school) needed a sax player, Chico was our first call! He spent many nights at my parent's house with me for a weekend gig. It was a totally different feeling, and new to me...spending time with him and some of his friends...nothing like the Jr. High experiences. I have worked with black musicians since, and as a teacher had black students.
I don't know if it was maturity, or just getting away from that Jr high he77hole, but I have never experienced anything like that since.
To be honest, I have never seen segregation in any places I've lived. Unless you count the natural tendency for all ethnic groups to tend to live in the same section of towns...there is usually a black section, a hispanic section, etc...but by choice, not force. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:25:07 AM | This is for the people posting on this thread, who for some less-than-factual reason think that brothas never beat up white people.
Are you furkin kidding me?
One of you clowns said you worked in bad neighborhoods, I found that hilarious, it's one thing to work there, and totally different to live in the ghetto. Well I was raised in South Philly during the 70's - 80's
I was in a terrible gang back then, and we went around robbing and beating up whites almost on a daily basis. Racism during that period was blatantly harsh. Riding the trolley train back and forth to school through the Italian grotto was hazardous, my white brothas would shoot at the bus, too many fist-to-cuffs to remember right on the train. throw beer bottles, M-80 fireworks.
I remember many times during the school year while attending Bok High School, many of the students refused to go to school, so they could seek revenge on their white friends.
I'll refuse to go into detail, but some of them got what they were looking for. I'm by no means a racist, as I've seen first hand the belly-of-beast of what hatred can make people do.
So enough with the delusional comments about white people not getting their ass kicked, that's just stupid.
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:40:05 AM |
I'll refuse to go into detail, but some of them got what they were looking for...
So enough with the delusional comments about white people not getting their ass kicked...
What I said, if you read my post carefully w/o jumping to conclusions, was that I did believe it happened that white men/boys were beaten up by blacks for no other reason than being white--it does happen. However, I don't think it happens 'for no reason' other than being white as often as is claimed: I find that often a white man will give it as a reason for his racist attitude, and he will give it as a reason when all other reasoning or rationale to justify his racism has not been convincing. If all else fails to justify his racism, he suddenly comes out with the 'fact' that he was repeatedly beaten up by blacks for no reason other than being white. I believe the guys saying this probably had one or more fights with black boys or men, but that it was a mutual conflict and may have been about exchanging insults or something. I'm not saying it never happens, I am saying I am skeptical about how often it happens for no reason.
Also, I note that you say 'some of them got what they were looking for...' which suggests that some of the white people who your friends attacked didn't just get attacked out of the blue because they were white but because they may have said or done something that fueled hatred....not an excuse for being attacked, but a reason. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:46:45 AM | I'll make this as plain as I can..
No..we attacked, humiliated, beat-up and robbed unprovoked. (Sometimes women)
Sorry to put it like this, but during that time there was a seething hatred towards whites. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:55:13 AM | I'll make this as plain as I can..
No..we attacked, humiliated, beat-up and robbed unprovoked. (Sometimes women)
Sorry to put it like this, but during that time there was a seething hatred towards whites. As I said, I don't disagree that it never happens, I am saying something quite different. Apparently it is more important for you to be right than to understand what I am saying.
While it did happen, most white people did not have this happen to them. The amount of white men who claim that it did is not realistic. I know white people who grew up in mixed neighborhoods where it never happened to them. What you describe did not happen everywhere, though it did happen.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is more likely not happening as often as these guys claim. This is what I wrote initially and am still saying. It doesn't disagree with what you are saying. I am tired of white men using such a claim as a reason to be lifelong racists. While black on white violence exists and can happen without provocation, it is not all pervasive across America; but if you believed the claims of so many white men, no matter where they lived (and few are talking about living in large urban areas of the Eastern US) , then you'd have to believe this is a very pervasive phenomenon. It is far more likely that these guys are talking about going to school with black kids and not getting along with them and that the racial tension which fueled any fights was mutual. So it is their claim that it was all unprovoked and they were completely innocent is something of which I am skeptical. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 6:29:09 AM | No..we attacked, humiliated, beat-up and robbed unprovoked. (Sometimes women)
Sorry to put it like this, but during that time there was a seething hatred towards whites.
Well, you also said that they didn't attack whites who were working in the area, only non-workers. I find that claim very suspicious.
So tell me, when these vicious and hateful thugs you knew as a youngster went around beating up white people "simply because they were white", did they ask if they were on the job? If not, then how did these thugs know who was working and who was not?
The idea that these thugs were somehow "discriminating" between working white people and non-working white people is laughable. Call me a joker all you want, but nothing I've said is as funny as the idea that these hate-filled thugs were filled with sympathy for the white people with jobs.
The truth is, because we carried thousands of dollars in tools, we were a target. The fact that we were working put us in more danger, not less. They knew we weren't from the neighborhood, so they had less to fear from retribution from us. We weren't members of a gang that would go looking for them. We weren't residents of the area, so they knew we wouldn't recognize them. And, they knew we carried money.
So basically, I think you're full of it, and your story is just an attempt to gain some thug credentials by proxy. Boy, you sure grew up in a rough neighborhood, didn't you? You must be some tough guy, having seen "the belly of the beast" (there, do you feel validated now?)
Oh, and for the record, I not only spent years working in some of the worst black neighborhoods in NYC, I also grew up in one of the most racist neighborhoods in NYC. Ever hear of Bensonhurst, Sheepshead Bay or Canarsie? They were neighborhoods where a black person would be beaten to death for simply walking down the street. I witnessed several race riots, instigated by whites.
Ever consider that those thug friends of yours were motivated by something more than just blind bigotry? | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 6:40:38 AM | Nobushlover..did you READ my post? I was one of those thugs, and I never stated we were selective, the meter man and the mail man were always targets of opportunity.
I fail to understand your animosity, but you can believe what you wish.
And how stupid is it, to try and tell someone that they were not a racist?
I think I know who and what I used to be fella...please get a grip. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 6:49:30 AM |
To be honest, I have never seen segregation in any places I've lived. Unless you count the natural tendency for all ethnic groups to tend to live in the same section of towns...there is usually a black section, a hispanic section, etc...but by choice, not force.
That you think minorities clustered in some neighborhoods (ie ghettos) "by choice, not force" makes nearly everything you say suspect. You must have gone through those decades with your eyes and ears covered to not have learned about racial discrimination in housing.
Ghettos had higher rents for crappier apts, high crime rates, poor public transportation access, higher prices in the stores (to make up for theft), crappy schools, hostile police, etc and you think black people CHOSE to spend more money for a crappier place to live? You really believe that discrimination and force had *nothing* to do with it?
Such obliviousness must be deliberate. I don't know anyone who isn't aware of racial disrimination in housing. Your being the first makes you an unbelievable source of info about anything that happened in that era because you obviously were clueless, and even now, decades later, you STILL are oblivious to racial discrimination
If you're too clueless to see the motivations (and the systemic racial discrimination) behind the clustering of minorities in ghettos, then I'm justified in believing you are incapable of seeing the motivations held by those black kids who beat up white kids.
As a child, the house of my best friend was fire bombed because the real estate agent brought a black couple to see the house, which was for sale. The fire bombers spray painted "S KEEP OUT" on the sidewalk in front.
And yes, the black couple "CHOSE" to look elsewhere for a place to live. In your fantasy world, where blacks CHOSE to live in substandard housing, no FORCE was used. 
I suggest you Google "racial steering" and acquire a clue. It's obvious that, while living through the times, you had no idea what was going on. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:03:20 AM |
Looking back, I often thought that we were sent to that particular school to try to achieve a racial balance.
hdspringer,
the above quote is another sign that you have no idea of what was going around you when you were a student. Busing students in order to achieve racial balance was an issue in the 1970's, not the late '50's and early 60's, when you were in 9th grade. In the 50's and 60's, if children were bussed, it was to increase segregation, and not to achieve racial balance.
That you would be so clueless to think that the Philly schools were trying to achieve racial balance by busing suggests you will believe anything that suggests whites were behaving nobly (not discriminating against blacks in housing, trying to desegregate schools, and being beat up in return) while the blacks were hateful bigots (beating up white kids simply because they were white and CHOOSING to live in high crime ghettos) contradicts the well-documented history of racial discrimination during that time. Your obliviousness to this history, which continues decades later to this day, makes your judgement unworthy of any crediblity | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:18:47 AM | Mr Gent
I did READ your post. Here is what you said
<div class="quote">One of you clowns said you worked in bad neighborhoods, I found that hilarious, it's one thing to work there, and totally different to live in the ghetto. Well I was raised in South Philly during the 70's - 80's
I am a white man who mentioned that I worked in black neighborhoods. In response, you made the above statement. If you didnt make that statement to imply that my not being beaten up "simply because I was white" was because I was working, then why did you say it is "totally different to live in the ghetto"?
Obviously, your remark was meant to imply that the reason I wasn't beaten "simply because I was white" was because I was on the job, and if I had lived in the area, it would have been "different" (ie I would have been beaten "simply because I was white" )
But maybe I misinterpreted your intent. Please feel free to explain why you mentioned this "difference" and how living there (vs merely working there) is relevant to this discussion about whether or not black kids beat up on white people "simply because they were white"
<div class="quote">I fail to understand your animosity, but you can believe what you wish.
So, you call me a "clown" and then wonder about animosity? You obviously have a deficiency when it comes to perceiving what's going on and in determining other people's motivations. You failed to notice how your insult created hostility, so why should I believe you did a better job of understanding the motives of your thug friends.
<div class="quote">And how stupid is it, to try and tell someone that they were not a racist?
I think I know who and what I used to be fella...please get a grip.
Exactly where did you see me say you weren't a racist? You're the one who needs to get a grip. A clue would also be good for you.
And as far as who and what you used to be, I see no reason for me to believe a word you say. You came onto this thread with hostility and insults, and then accuse me of animosity and falsely claim I said you're not a racist. You obviously have a warped sense of what you've done in this thread. Your lack of self-awareness regarding your own words and their effect does justify my wondering if you really do know who and what you are, | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:36:53 AM | My intent was to show that whites who lived in the neighborhood got they ass beat up all the time. And don't you think I would know their motives if they were my friends?
Look dude, I use to be a vocal proponent much of what you are talking about.
I was drilled with all of what you are stating, and much much more when I attended
Prairie View A.M., which is an all black university. My whole family is racist, me and an uncle are the only ones in my family to have made a significant change, believe me, it really takes a lifetime to change.
I came in with hostility and insults? WTF you expect from someone who use to hate people like you. I see you really aren't getting it. You are trying to voice your opinion from the outside looking in, I'm simply giving you the real deal.
It's all good dude, I'm not really in the mood for arguing about something that I spent my whole life trying to deal with.
Enjoy your day. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 8:12:40 AM |
Your obliviousness to this history, which continues decades later to this day, makes your judgement unworthy of any crediblity
Fine, NoBushLover, believe whatever you want...you weren't there. And at age 51, you obviously can not speak from experience about the schools in the late '50s, early 60's, only by what you read, and we all know that the mainstream media re-writes history to suit its own standards.
Your screen name indicates the you are obviously a radical liberal, and therefore incapable of understanding anything that conflicts with your own mindset. Good luck to you in your pursuit of your own reality. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 10:04:52 AM |
My intent was to show that whites who lived in the neighborhood got they ass beat up all the time
And that makes no sense. If they're beating on people they recognize as residents and avoiding the rest, then there was more to it than "simply because they were white"
You see, in the English language, words mean things. Words count. When you say "simply because they were white" it means just that - there are NO OTHER REASONS such as "and they lived in the neighborhood"
And for the record, I spent thousand of hours in the ghettos, at all hours of the day and night. Not once was I attacked "simply because I was white". It's never that simple
And don't you think I would know their motives if they were my friends?
No, not necesarily, You can pretend that your friends were honest and open with you, but experience shows that many teens don't know what motivates themselves, nevermind their friends. Teens are not known for the sort of emotional maturity that allows them to openly discuss their feelings. I suspect that gangmembers are even less likely to make themselves emotional vulnerable by being open and forthcoming about such highly charged emotional issues.
You are trying to voice your opinion from the outside looking in, I'm simply giving you the real deal.
Stop pretending that you're the former streetwise ghetto thug and I'm the lily-white child of Mr and Mrs Cleaver. Just as I don't know where you've been, you don't know where I have. Don't assume you know more than I. It only makes you look like an arrogant fool who can't accept the possibility that someone might know more than you about this.
For one thing, you seem to think I am denying that black people can be racists. I have done nothing of the sort. Nor have I denied that black kids have beaten up white kids. What I deny is that white kids were beaten up by black kids "simply because" they were white.
It's never that simple. If you haven't realized that yet, then your experiences and your judgement are worthless. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 10:17:28 AM | Fine, NoBushLover, believe whatever you want...you weren't there. And at age 51, you obviously can not speak from experience about the schools in the late '50s, early 60's, only by what you read, and we all know that the mainstream media re-writes history to suit its own standards.
I know why minorities tend to live in the same ghetto and it had nothing to do with CHOICE. So without the benefit of your experience, I know that it was racial discrimination and force that's responsible. You, with all of your experience, not to mention the well-documented history of racial steering, are STILL ignorant of the facts, even decades later
If your experiences left you ignorant of the fact of racial steering, then your experiences was obviously lacking. I bet you think that one must be psychotic in order to qualify as a psychiatrist. How else would the psychiatrist know about psychosis if he didn't actuall suffer from it, right? After all, experience is the ONLY way to learn, according to you.
And as far as me knowing "only what I read" and how the media is distorting the truth, what I read was "N*****RS STAY OUT" that was`spray painted in front of the house that fire bombed because a black couple came to see the house. I guess this is where you tell me what MY experience means, and how it supports your absurd claim that minorities CHOOSE to live in a ghetto.
And I'm not at all surprised that you completely failed to acknowledge how wrong it was for you to say it was "by choice, not force" Instead, you've chosen one of the most fallacious arguments that "only you can know this" because you're the one who experienced. I guess no one else was alive back in the 50's, according to you.
Your screen name indicates the you are obviously a radical liberal, and therefore incapable of understanding anything that conflicts with your own mindset. Good luck to you in your pursuit of your own reality.
IOW, you're a conservative who denies the well-documented history of racial discrimination in housing. Quelle surprise!!
I guess it's just a coincidence that the only people who were beat up by blacks "simply because" they were white are the very same people who deny racial bigotry.
But I have to give you for originality. You're the first wingnut I've heard claim that they were bussed in the 50's in order to achieve racial balance, more than a decade before such policies were begun. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 1:10:39 PM | Nobushlover so you believe some brothas can be racist, but you don't believe those same brothas would ever beat up a white man/woman unprovoked because they are white? That line of logic clearly makes no damn sense.
I really can't believe you could be that naive, and I know you never lived on the East coast if you actually believe that crap
Personally I think you're some kind of looney bin to sprout that piece of garbage, I have friends today in the joint for doing the very thing you say blacks would NEVER do.
I also see on this thread, that those who disagree with your point of view, you try and ridicule their judgement. There's nothing wrong with my judgement, I was simply telling you what happened where I grew up.
Dude you're a nut, and I'm pretty sure I would have waxed your ass and taken your silly little tool box if you had of worked where I grew up. (No doubt about it)
Oh wait a minute, now you'll argue that I would have never tried that because you were white. More stupidity because we never attacked brothas, just folk like you.
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Posted: 6/21/2009 1:37:43 PM | Perhaps nobushlover is saying reverse racism is understandable. Of course, a motive doesn't excuse violence (says me, a white woman from a middle-class all-white neighbourhood).
Since you are all talking about personal experiences, nobushlover, how can other posters' experiences be wrong and yours be right? They are not negating your argument, but saying their experience was different to your experience. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:36:44 PM | FFS
Thank you for your courtesy and your grace. It's much better than those who call me names and then wonder why *I'm* hostile to *them*.. Your username seems most appropriate
I have seen all sorts of violence. Black on black, black on white, white on black, hispanix on white, etc. In some of the cases, the victim the victim did nothing provocative as far as I can tell. But in none of those cases was it "simply because" of their skin color.
Now, since there is no way to prove a negative, I can't prove it's never happened. But, if I do say it (and I did) it should be child's play to refute it. All someone has to do is indentify one case where it did happen. Yet, whenever I say it, there isn't anyone who can identify such a case.
Sure, I here plenty of anecdotal stories from strangers on the Internet. Funny thing about it though, is that it nearly always seems to be rightingers, who are generally clueless on race (see hdsingers claim that minorities CHOOSE to live in high-crime ghettos - racism has nothing to do with it, according to him) and there is never any credible documentation. So why should I believe that people who are so clueless about race can understand why the black person attacked them?
More importantly, if there is no apparent provocation, and there's nothing to show what the attackers motive is, then how the heck do these people KNOW that they were attacked "simply because" of their skin color?
Additionally, if I were to believe all the stories told by these people, I would have to believe that there was some kind of epidemic of black on white racially motivated hate crimes. Yet my experience, which is not small, indicates quite the opposite.
So if anyone wants me to start believing that this happens, all they have to do is provide some proof that it happened more than zero times. I don't think it's wrong to ask for proof that it happened at least once before I believe, yet so far, I have yet to hear a believable story, nevermind one that can be proven to have actually occurred
And to Mr Gent, your constant insults, beginning with your very first post in this thread, combined with your seeming lack of self-awareness of how your offensive tone affects others, provides ample proof that you lack interpersonal skills and emotional maturity. That being the case, I will continue to doubt your ability to understand the motives of others.
<div class='quote'>Dude you're a nut, and I'm pretty sure I would have waxed your ass and taken your silly little tool box if you had of worked where I grew up. (No doubt about it)
In which case, my partner would have blown your friggin head to kingdom come. Too bad you never had the opportunity. My partner would have loved to rid the world of another fake thug,
You're very brave on the Internet. All cowards are.
More stupidity because we never attacked brothas, just folk like you.
Now I know you're a liar. Most black gang related violence is black on black. You're a real big talker. You're "ten feet tall in ASCII". In real life, you're probably some wussy punk who thinks talking ebonics will give you some street cred. I bet the real gang members kick your heinie on a daily basis. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:03:08 PM | Nobush..
I called you a nut on the basis that you are trying to advocate I did not know the motives of family and friends when these events occured.
That's preposterous, since these very acts were committed by a group of people who organized for the sole purpose of "getting back at whitey" for percieved wrongs
But not one victim ever provoked us to do anything, they were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I've known my friends for over 30 years, and we've discussed these events of the past on many occasions, and all of us were motivated by the same thing.
I've known my family for my entire life, and you have the audacity to state I did not know their motives at the time of these events? Some of my friends have changed, but no one from my family excluding an uncle has ever changed.
So I do know exactly what their motives were.
Don't you think at least I know what my own motives were? I called you a nut on the fact that your arrogancy is trying to put a sophist ridiculous argument on events that I personally know about.
Any implication that are motives were under some grand delusion we were incapable of recognizing is pure BS. Sorry to upset your apple-cart, but there is nothing that limits a black man from violent hate crimes, no more than any other race. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:11:05 PM | | Haven't they done this several times now? Why aren't the Africans who sold out their own apologizing? Where are the apologies to every other non-WASP that was ****ed over? I seriously hate when they do this feel-good BS, because they alays overlook so many other people. And the reality is we've all been screwed down the line, so apologizing to one and not the other is nothing but political pandering. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:27:28 PM |
Haven't they done this several times now? Why aren't the Africans who sold out their own apologizing? Where are the apologies to every other non-WASP that was ****ed over? I seriously hate when they do this feel-good BS, because they alays overlook so many other people. And the reality is we've all been screwed down the line, so apologizing to one and not the other is nothing but political pandering.
The apology was not on behalf of all the white americans who have discriminated against black people. The Senate apologized for the laws the Senate passed that allowed slavery and Jim Crow. Since the Senate was only apologizing for its' own actions, why should they apologize for individual blacks who have sold out the fellow blacks?
Don't you think that people who act unjustly should apologize for doing so? Or is that you don't think slavery and Jim Crow were unjust?
And I'm not accusing you of anything. I just don't understand why you would object to the Senate for apologizing for what it did. | |
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Posted: 6/21/2009 7:42:55 PM |
I called you a nut on the basis that you are trying to advocate I did not know the motives of family and friends when these events occured.
Nice try, but you called me names before I ever wrote anything to you. If you had the gonads you claim to have (enough to want to kill me), you'd be honest and admit you came in with insults from the very start.
That's preposterous, since these very acts were committed by a group of people who organized for the sole purpose of "getting back at whitey" for percieved wrongs
Now you're grasping. Do you really expect anyone to believe that gangs are formed by blacks seeking racial justice?
PS - you just validated my claim that it's never "simply because" of skin color. You just admitted that there's a more complex social dynamic going on, but you're not bright enough to see it.
I've known my friends for over 30 years, and we've discussed these events of the past on many occasions, and all of us were motivated by the same thing.
So says you. On the internet, no one knows you're a dog.
So I do know exactly what their motives were.
No, you know what they say their motives were. People often lie, even to the friends and family, about sensitive matters. And sometimes, people don't even really understand what is motivating them.
And given your tone, I can see why people wouldn't open up to you. You don't seem to tolerate disagreement very well. You're so emotionally immature, that you've expressed a desire to kill on a public forum. If someone is wlling to open up to someone as emotionally unstable as you, then I have to wonder if they just agreed with you to shut you up.
Don't you think at least I know what my own motives were? I called you a nut on the fact that your arrogancy is trying to put a sophist ridiculous argument on events that I personally know about.
Plenty of people lack the emotional maturity to understand their own behavior. So far, you've done nothing to convince me that you don't belong to that group. Your emotional instability is obvious. As crude as some posters have been, none have gotten so unbalanced that they stated a desire to kill me.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous it is to say such a thing? Do you understand why I see that remark as a sign of cowardice and mental instability?
Or do you think publically expressing a desire to kill someone is somehow "normal"?
Any implication that are motives were under some grand delusion we were incapable of recognizing is pure BS. Sorry to upset your apple-cart, but there is nothing that limits a black man from violent hate crimes, no more than any other race
I never said blacks, or any other minority member (and unlike misogynists like you, I include the women too) are incapable of committing a violent hate crime. Your emotional instability is now rendering you incapable of understanding simple concepts. I guess murderous rage has that effect on you. | |
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