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Posted: 7/6/2005 4:02:30 AM | A belief, however widely held, is still only second hand information, someone else's life experience and viewpoint. While another's belief system can be "entertaining", it distracts from truth and can only interfere with, even contaminate your own individual experience.
Lao Zi remarked, "He who speaks knows nothing; he who knows is silent." The sum of man's truths is wholly a collection of lies ...only empty illusions of his importance.
Meditation can help calm the turbulent seas of your mind; only by completely emptying the vessel filled with meaningless chatter will you access the "space between the atoms."
There you will discover a vast, infinite well of wisdom, creativity and truth ...only there, through deep personal experience, will you find your true self, your purpose and God.
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Posted: 7/6/2005 9:02:23 AM | Wiccanenchantress---
for someone that claims to be thriving in the light of wisdom, you certainly have it out for those whose views are not like your own. and, are you saying that time and distance do not exist? i mean, try telling that to your boss when you're late or how about try leaving your family for 30 years and then come back to see if they are exactly as you left them...geez, i can deal in the mystic, but really, how can one miss that little something called the space-time continuum? and i know what people are geariing up to say "It only exists in the mind...yadda-yadda...but that's like moving a rook on a chessboard on a diagonal and saying "The limitations set on this rook's movements are non-existent..." here in life, we were given "rules" like gravity and time, and space, and water, and food, and warmth...we have to acknowledge as part of our existence. and yes, we are truly "bound by earthly pain," but then how can YOU prove the existence of the spirit and the "mysterious" when dealing with the same tools scientists have? but one thing is true on this thread....those who know are the silent ones...we're just here spewing nonsense. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 9:31:25 AM | i could almost say 'amen' to that 'brother' except, i know so many silent fools that its simply foolish to believe that those who know are the silent ones.
those who truly know see that thought and interaction stimulates braoder and new thoughts, even if only newer or broader to that individuals mind. so, they mignt not yell out their opinions above the din, but, wise and knowledgable people speak and speak often, sure theres the ones that dont, but, its all a mater of, who are you going to listen to, and are you intelligent enough to comprehend what it is that the intelligent people really are saying, or does your mind only recognise and understand what the fools are saying?
and, ive had enough of the picking on scientists. i would imagine that, this day and age there are at least a handfull of scientists that were first spiritualists and wanted to explore science from a spiritualists angle.
however, concerning the 'rules' that undeniably exist on this earthly plain. werent rules made to be broken?
as for proving the existance of the 'spirit' it has been proven to us, some simply wont believe it untill a lab coat wearing scientist can prove it under a microscope. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 10:05:46 AM |
"He who speaks knows nothing; he who knows is silent." The sum of man's truths is wholly a collection of lies
So we must conclude the following is also a collection of lies :-
Meditation can help calm the turbulent seas of your mind; only by completely emptying the vessel filled with meaningless chatter will you access the "space between the atoms."
There you will discover a vast, infinite well of wisdom, creativity and truth ...only there, through deep personal experience, will you find your true self, your purpose and God. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 10:08:46 AM | A belief, however widely held, is still only second hand information, someone else's life experience and viewpoint. While another's belief system can be "entertaining", it distracts from truth and can only interfere with, even contaminate your own individual experience.
Lao Zi remarked, "He who speaks knows nothing; he who knows is silent." The sum of man's truths is wholly a collection of lies ...only empty illusions of his importance.
Meditation can help calm the turbulent seas of your mind; only by completely emptying the vessel filled with meaningless chatter will you access the "space between the atoms."
There you will discover a vast, infinite well of wisdom, creativity and truth ...only there, through deep personal experience, will you find your true self, your purpose and God.
So, you've come to these things through deep meditation, very interesting! I usually do deep Chakra meditations, but have never had an experience that rivaled OBE. I like your opinion of the "widely held belief" and I see the point!
~Blessed be sista!~
@ Lassiter
Wiccanenchantress---
for someone that claims to be thriving in the light of wisdom, you certainly have it out for those whose views are not like your own. and, are you saying that time and distance do not exist? i mean, try telling that to your boss when you're late or how about try leaving your family for 30 years and then come back to see if they are exactly as you left them...geez, i can deal in the mystic, but really, how can one miss that little something called the space-time continuum? and i know what people are geariing up to say "It only exists in the mind...yadda-yadda...but that's like moving a rook on a chessboard on a diagonal and saying "The limitations set on this rook's movements are non-existent..." here in life, we were given "rules" like gravity and time, and space, and water, and food, and warmth...we have to acknowledge as part of our existence. and yes, we are truly "bound by earthly pain," but then how can YOU prove the existence of the spirit and the "mysterious" when dealing with the same tools scientists have? but one thing is true on this thread....those who know are the silent ones...we're just here spewing nonsense.
I certainly never meant to make you feel I have it out for you, perhaps you can elaborate on what I have said to you that would be considered rude? I Didn't say Time doesn't exist on the physical plain, certainly the moon waxes and wanes, the wheel of seasons turn's and yeah you probably better get to work on time....However, these are all physical bodies. The spirit is pure energy, and energy does not make use of such concepts, Im sorry if this offends you.
"only exists in the mind" I said time distance and direction are all bi-products of "Taking up space"(having bodies) Not just the mind but also of the body, mind and body are of the physical, if your going to grasp the post she has made, then these things must be forgotten, science will not help you to grasp this. Chess is a physical concept as well, all this is of the physical realm, not the astral.
"How can I prove the existence of the mysterious and the spirit with the tools science has to offer?"
How is that my place Lassiter, I cant do these things for you, each scientist who asks for proof, asks for someone to achieve these things for them, It is not my place, nor with in my power to provide you with spiritualism. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 10:37:28 AM | | so, lets assume you know spirituality. good. but, maybe its time you learn a little more about science? just an idea, its good to arm yourself with knowledge before entering a debate... | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 10:49:58 AM | | Science is the discovery of the laws of the universe that the Creator put into effect when he said "Let there be light" | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 11:35:05 AM | Oh are we discussing science now? What would you boys like to know? Evolution? Outer space? Modern medicine? pre-history? bring it lol  | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 12:22:18 PM | Ultimately, there is but one lesson for each of us to learn, and
that is the individual ability to accept, love and revere
unconditionally every person, every thing, every part of this
earth as if it were yourself, your beloved ...as if it were your
very own infant child.
I love your thoughts on existence. It is so nice to see such fresh ideas and I certainly encourage you to tell us more. However don't be discouraged by people with comments like mine. I just want to explore truth without bias.
So here is my question about your concept.
How can we love and revere things like rape, torture and vandalism?
My belief system has an understanding of them in the whole and allows for them to be understood for what they are, not to embrace these negative actions but to, at best, only appreciate them for what they are to us. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 12:44:04 PM | | Tim, I dont know what Sexy will say, the fact is that the laws on both plain's are very diffrent. However the constant is light and dark energy. You are discussing the act. She is discussing the person who commits the act, they should be forgiven, and loved as family, no matter what mistakes we make that is what we are, family, and in the end "we" are all we have. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 2:20:58 PM |
lottabottle remarked:
If you say... "He who speaks knows nothing; he who knows is silent." The sum of man's truths is wholly a collection of lies
...(then) we must conclude what you have said is also a collection of lies :-
Only like identifies with like ...similar to a transmission frequency that must be received at the same wavelength to be fully understood.
Zero words exist in the English language to express clearly the premise of spirit, or the path you must take. By this shortcoming, I have failed you.
It is difficult to explain. We are all operating under the limitations of our own current understanding. Suffice it to say there are no shortcuts to learning; every soul must find their own way through trials and errors of personal experience.
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Posted: 7/6/2005 3:47:13 PM | | If science is based on fear...then mysticism is based on embellishment of denial. Let's face it...we die and hope that we did enough here so that if there's an afterlife, at least we can petition for heaven, reincarnation, or a reprieve, whatever. I believe most scientists believe in spiritual subjects. In fact, there are many PhD's out there looking to explain phenomena that to this point has been entirely subjective. No one in the scientific community is arguing that the harmony of the universe is astounding or that people will eventually seek a certain peace of mind as they get closer to their own demise. The differences begin when mystics believe their art to be better or at least equal to science. Seriously...there's room for mystics in science but no room for scientists in mysticism? What makes spirituality so mysterious is that no one that claims to be involved with it dares question it, which is certainly a bit odd since all mystics spend so much time attempting to disprove science. science weeds out the quacks within its own ranks with training and certification. Seems like anyone that wakes up giddy one day is a spiritual expert. Scientists have explored the possibilities mystics speak of, and, yes, they find nothing out of the ordinary. Yeah, they can't explain something...why mystics can be so steadfast with their belief in the unknown while they deny staunchly the "known." | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 6:36:19 PM |
The "wisdom of man" is foolishness to God.
Perhaps, but without Wisdom and Knowledge, how can one hope to approach attaining true wisdom and enlightenment. Perhaps such a thing can not be done, within your belief structure, but there are many people who quest for such things, and without wisdom, such a quest would be doomed to fail before it began. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 6:45:41 PM | Lassiter, I can agree with you on all of that which you have written, but I think it does cut both ways as well. Though I will have to say that you are right about it being a bit more slanted against Science in Religion than vice versa.
As far as everyone waking up into being a spiritual expert goes, I know my path has take years in the making, taking each step on my own, with only my life and thoughts to guide me, and finding individual statements (some of my own design) that encapsulate the ideas that my path has led to to. But I would never claim to be anything more than a seeker/questor, certainly no spiritual expert. Those that do, I think, are doing so out of ignorance and arrogance. "Yea, I know the one true path..." and all.... Though, I think it might be interesting to sit down sometime and talk about what can be actually "Known." Then again, perhaps that would be an act of futility, as we might end up arguing definitions. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 11:36:00 PM |
If science is based on fear...then mysticism is based on embellishment of denial. Let's face it...we die and hope that we did enough here so that if there's an afterlife, at least we can petition for heaven, reincarnation, or a reprieve, whatever. I believe most scientists believe in spiritual subjects. In fact, there are many PhD's out there looking to explain phenomena that to this point has been entirely subjective.
Well these would have all been very interesting thoughts had anyone actually said that science is based on fear, if they had I would be on your side. The beauty of of not being bound to a holy book is being able to change with the times. I couldn't help but notice no one challenges my knowledge of science, a wise decision, I wonder if you all think I have been preaching an open mind on these threads because I like to read my own statements? No, I have incorporated ALLOT of modern science into my personal religious beliefs.
No one in the scientific community is arguing that the harmony of the universe is astounding or that people will eventually seek a certain peace of mind as they get closer to their own demise. The differences begin when mystics believe their art to be better or at least equal to science. Seriously...there's room for mystics in science but no room for scientists in mysticism? What makes spirituality so mysterious is that no one that claims to be involved with it dares question it, which is certainly a bit odd since all mystics spend so much time attempting to disprove science.
Again, I study science too, in no way have I tried to discredit you OR science, instead it has been the other way around. You are on the defensive, and frankly have missed the entire point of the thread, but don't feel to bad everyone but two or three made the same mistake. Instead of seeing it for what it was, you come and make an attempt to discredit it prove it false with in the narrow parameters given to you by the physical, then when I defend it you tell me Im being rude to you, or that I just want to discredit science,well if need be sugar, I can show you rude.
science weeds out the quacks within its own ranks with training and certification. Seems like anyone that wakes up giddy one day is a spiritual expert. Scientists have explored the possibilities mystics speak of, and, yes, they find nothing out of the ordinary. Yeah, they can't explain something...why mystics can be so steadfast with their belief in the unknown while they deny staunchly the "known."
Again what have "I" denied? No, you have found something that does not fit into you narrow scope of what you feel the universe is so now you feel the need to crush it, it doesn't matter if it was just someone's opinion, or if it was someone's beautiful experience, no you have to tear it down, and any who stand in your way are there only to be discredited, by taking this attitude you have you defeat your own purpose and you show your own insecurity. "my way or the highway" what's laughable is that your preaching the same message as the closed minded Christians only with different words. Your scientists fail in their endeavors into the mystical, because they do these thimg's "to see if the work" that isn't how it works.
I'm sorry you couldn't see this for what it was, Im sorry everyone's only instinct was to crush and discredit the beauty of this woman's words, but it shows that people have allot to learn, perhaps on all sides. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2005 12:31:07 AM | Tim4925
How can we love and revere things like rape, torture and vandalism?
Tim, coming from someone who is a survivor of such experience, I know that until you embrace the experience of the violent act, that you were subjected to, you cannot truly heal.
When you have gone through something like that a piece of you dies. When a rape survivor speaks of her anniversary of the act, she is speaking more about that loss of self from the experience of the act. The survivor will never fully gain that part of self again. For me, my anniversary marks a major turning point in my life and by embracing that part of the experience is what helped give me the strength to move forward. " What doesn't kill you will only make you stronger". I was very hatefull spiritualy after that experience. Trying to understand why something so horrific could happen to me, when I considered myself a good, loving and generous person, isn't easy. That question can only be answered from within with the help of your personal higherpower (God). You will find that in a persons depths of despair God will come forward even when you are damning him. The best thing to do is to turn the anger, despair and reasoning over to him and by doing that you can't help but embrace the experience because it has become a part of you.
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Posted: 8/12/2005 8:15:18 PM | [Some peoples minds are so open that their brains have fallen out]
To turn this statement around, it seems to me that the minds of some are so closed that they've imploded.
Great posts, 4sexyfun. It's always a plus to see a different viewpoint, and your assertion that everything is connected certainly makes sense to me. If you pay close enough attention, you can see that for yourself sometimes in the way some events unfold. You see the truth in such maxims as 'for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction'. There certainly does seem to be a rhythm to life, and the longer you're around and the more you listen for it, the more of it you seem to pick up on... | |
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Posted: 8/13/2005 2:10:10 PM | | Hi all.I,m not very good at expressing myself with words ,but i,m going to try.That some people experience life in a more metaphysical way is some thing that probably wont be proven to a scientist ,or some one that does not want to belive that there is more to be experienced.To me, no use in arguing the point!That you can see auras and read them,feel the suttle energies swirling around us,leave the body and cross the veil between worlds,and feel connected to this planet and its inhabitants,human and animals is some thing that is experienced.Some on this planet are born knowing this experience, others study and learn how to achive this,but it is a reallity to some of us.Time and distance can and do change,as does how you see the world on a daily basis.How you feel ,what you see, how you think changes when you get to this point,and what used to be important just does not feel so important any more. I guess to sum it up,we have the ability to be ,feel ,experience ,a lot more than you can imagine.Go for it. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:12:10 AM | Being that we exist within in an infinite realm, yes you can say that these are merely perceptions rather than omnipotent reality.
On the grand scale all energy exists at the same place at the same time.
What we perceive as the space time continuim is merely teh process of all energy being released from that one point and ultimetely reverting back to its original state.
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Posted: 8/29/2005 8:35:03 AM | | Time and distance are so relative; it's how we measure the association of light to vision or to put it another way light years. I'm sure everyone at sometime must have felt imprisoned by it nature, I know I have and do, but there's nothing we can do about that. Spiritually I believe all are beyond time and distance (infinity). | |
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