| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/15/2009 9:15:41 AM | | Shaqalier is going to HELP bring the championship to Cleveland. It's still Lebron's team and Lebron's championship when they win it this year. Now they have Shaq to deal with Dwight Howard. Also, if we see a Lakers/Cavs championship...Shaq will average his age in points. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/17/2009 6:53:27 PM | | What do you say about Jordan's teammates his first 3 championships? 1991-93 Rodman, and Kerr wasn't even on the team yet. He had good not great teammates except "Pippen". Scottie Pippen is one of the most overrated players of all time too. Check out http://www.hoopsfans101.netau.net/1_12_Scottie-Pippen-overrated-.html on Pippen. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/17/2009 7:32:26 PM | With the addition of Rasheed Wallace on the Celtics and Bass on the Magic.
Pending injuries...the Cavs are the 3rd best team in the East. They had a great 09 season.
I dont see that happening for next season. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/20/2009 7:34:37 AM | | I think the cavs will be very exciting to watch.... I can see Shaq getting alot of defensive rebounds and out letting it... I think he'll average maybe 10-15 points a game and maybe 12-15 rebounds... | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/20/2009 8:55:40 AM |
Scottie Pippen is one of the most overrated players of all time too.
Pippen is a future hall of famer,made the fifty greatest players list, and made the olympic team. I don't think over rated is the way to describe a guy who consistently made the All-Star game. He was actually considered to be one of the best in the league when he played. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/22/2009 11:24:21 AM | ^^^Well, I apologize for having a different opinion than you do. I should have known that all your opinions are fact and are not open for discussion. The link you provide has facts, but the overall premise is based on one author's opinion. Here's one of his opinions:
<div class='quote'>I would like to acknowledge that I thought Pippen was one of the best forwards in the game when he was at his peak.
The author used LeBron James as a measure of greatness. Of course Pippen isn't as good as James. A lot of players aren't, and I don't consider everyone who is not as good as James as being over rated. If the majority of the media were to claim that Pippen is better than James, then I would say they have Pippen over rated. But, no one is saying that.
Your opinions are welcome and the author's of that link's opinions are welcome, just don't be surprised if everyone doesn't agree with you or that author. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's factual. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 7/22/2009 10:40:21 PM | Michael Jordan lead the Bulls to 3 championships, then he retired. The Bulls fell apart without him. Jordan returned and lead the Bulls to 3 more championships. Jordan proved how important he was to that team and how great he really was. You cannot compare Lebron, who has yet to win one championship, to a guy like Jordan. Lebron is going to fall into the same trap that Kobe did. For years people said Kobe couldn't win a title without Shaq. Until this year Bryant was never able to step away from that. If Cleveland wins the title this will probably be applied to Lebron.
Lebron has to prove that he's not only the most dominant player in the league (I don't remember anybody ever arguing about who the best player was when Jordan was on the court), but he has to lead teams to a few championships. It's not about just points and statistics. It's about making clutch shots over and over again.
Realistically, Lebron will never own the title of "best ever" as long as people remember the name "Michael Jordan". Lebron has a lot of work to do before he's the unquestioned best in the game today, much less best ever. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 8/27/2009 1:44:16 PM |
1991-93 Rodman, and Kerr wasn't even on the team yet. Horace Grant was much more of an offensive force than Rodman ever was and as good defensively against opposing PF. Bill Cartwright is the 2nd best center in Chicago history(Artis Gilmore being the best). I'd take Craig Hodges over Kerr anytime. I'd also take John Paxson over Kerr. Scottie Pippen was selected as 1 of the 50 best players in NBA history. The selection alone shows the high regard for his skills.
I'd take Jordans complimentary group of teamates over Le bron's anytime. This years team of Cavs is the best since the Ron Harper, Cadillac Williams, Brad Daugherty, Larry Nance, Mark Price and Craig Ehlo. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 8/27/2009 4:34:08 PM |
Lebron has to prove that he's not only the most dominant player in the league (I don't remember anybody ever arguing about who the best player was when Jordan was on the court), but he has to lead teams to a few championships. It's not about just points and statistics. It's about making clutch shots over and over again.
MJ found himself in the league at a great time, sure, there were other good players, But he didn't have what Magic had in a Byrd.... Or what Kobe and Lebron are up against...
Not taking anything away from MJ... But who was playing than... that stood out like him? Maybe no one did because he was so great? Or maybe there really was no one?
As far as Lebron, If they win the Championship this year, It will be Lebrons team.... not Shaqs.... But like every other Championship.... It will in my view... be a teams Championship. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 9/3/2009 12:11:06 PM |
Not taking anything away from MJ... But who was playing than... that stood out like him? Maybe no one did because he was so great? MJ came into the league at a time in which Magic and Bird were still in their prime. MJ played against other Hall of Famers(sure bet) in Clyde Drexler, Doc. J, Issiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaq,Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, and past prime George Ice Man Gervin to name a few. Then there were the all stars he played against who although excellent players likely wont be HOF materials but all stars nonetheless like; Alex English, Grant Hill, Sidney Moncrief, Mark Agguire, Chris Webber, Reggie Miller, Penny Hardeway, Adrian Dantley, Mitch Richman, Vince Carter, Ray Allen,Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Shawn Kemp, Paul Pierce, Latrell Sprewell, Ralph Sampson, Tom Chambers, Detlef Shremf and Larry grandmama Johnson to name a few. Jordan faced the Bird led Celtics in playoffs and they never had an answer to him. MJ faced the Magic led Lakers in the NBA Finals and they just couldnt hang with him. MJ played during a golden age in NBA history which would have been golden even without him and he beat all challengers. He is still a step above Kobe whose Lakers lost to the Celtics and Kobe is still the best out there today although LBJ is right there with him. Neither Kobe nor LBJ could have led their teams to a victory over either MJ led repeat bound championship team. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 9/5/2009 12:54:45 AM | You guys all are crackin me up.
Here is how it breaks down.
The only thing that Kobe has on LBJ is who would you want to have the ball in the last seconds of a game....Kobe is clutch.
Defense? Kobe and LBJ are to close to say any have definitive deference. I do believe LBJ made First Team this year.
Ball Handling- Hands Down LBJ
Post/Block- LBJ to Strong and to Fast
Passing-LBJ
The Capability of making your Team better-LBJ
Driving to the Hoop? You can debate that...Kobe slips and slides his way in and LBJ will come right at you and make you work for it.
Free Throws- Kobe
3-Point play- Kobe
Then you have to ask yourself if you take Kobe of the team will the do good, the answer would be yes and they might make the Playoffs.
You Take LBJ of his team then you are looking at the worst Team in the League.
Then you have to look at will or can Kobe improve (get better)-No he is at his Prime and everything is down for him.
LBJ is improving a piece of his game every year, it is what will he be better at this year. I remember when LBJ had no defense and now he makes first team.
IMO- Kobe is the Best 1vs1 player in the history of the game
LBJ is the Best All around Player in the Game. And I will say also that he become he Greatest All round Defender
Rings--------Are won as a team, not individual....Tell that to KOBE!
So IMO I would have to Say Lebron ...as I do believe when all is said and done will be the greatest player. | |
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| Shaq to Clev...LeBron Cant claim He's the Greatest
Posted: 9/7/2009 12:21:15 AM |
Ball Handling- Hands Down LBJ
Ball handling- LBJ=8.8(10 as a sf) Kobe=8.6 almost too close to call.
Post/Block-neither player is a "post" player....both are perimeter players...having said that, Kobe has by far the better mid range game. An excellent mid range game will allow a player to post up another of any size in the high post. Kobe is better in the high post and LBJ in the low post due to his size.
The Capability of making your Team better-LBJ Really that is too subjective to call. The LBJ team that made it to the Finals was not the most talented team for sure. The Kobe led team that took the Suns to 7 games in a year Kobe should have won MVP instead of Nash, wasnt even a team that should have made the playoffs on paper. Both players have seemed to have made their teams better. LBJ simply gets more credit for it due to reputation. This season will be interesting for BOTH teams. | |
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