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| Moon Landings - Question.
Posted: 7/1/2009 5:28:56 PM |
It. is. f**king. dismal. to see the kind of ignorance about science and spaceflight that gets talked about sometimes in these forums by supposedly people who have passed through the public education system and moreover have working televisions and likely the capacity to get library cards...
I have to ask...what the hell happened to the eduction system and the shortened attention span? Is this startling evidence that people ARE getting stupider? Who are these "moon landing hoax" jackasses?
As a Maths and Physics teacher, I see this educational decline and rise of ignorance on a daily basis. So much so that after 14 LONG years I want to pack it all in and do something FAR more useful with my Life.
We are heading into some pretty crazy times.
I remember when I watched a program based on the Apollo Moon landings. A British presenter on a BBC2 program called "Top Gear", was given the opportunity of a lifetime to fly up in a U-2 spy-plane.
At 70,000 ft the presenter took awe-inspiring footage of the "edge-of-space" above but, despite all of this, AND footage of him talking to several Apollo astronauts AND footage after footage of their actual missions, my brother (bless him) comes in and tells me its all a hoax and he doesn't believe it. Not one bit.
On a certain level, this I can understand. My brother dropped out of school with zero qualifications and he hardly reads.
Nonetheless it's kinda sad to live in a world where a lot of people don't seem to believe anything anymore... Except money, religion, sport and sex... (Oh did I miss celebrities?)
Anyway asides that (and perhaps slightly off topic), what REALLY scares me is an obvious lack of History. A lack of Science (and Reason) is bad enough, but combine that with a lack of History... And you got a problem... A serious one. | |
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| Moon Landings - Question.
Posted: 7/1/2009 5:46:11 PM | For those who want a laugh, check out this video of Buzz Aldrin responding to a guy who thinks the moon landing was a hoax:
OMG thank-you! That made my whole year!!!! I want to do just that to some of these people who think it was a hoax!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/1/2009 6:24:12 PM | | It might take a few trips. Offer everyone who thinks it is a hoax, a free ride. Put them in containers (sections of an airplane hull?), and haul them to the Moon. Offload the containers, come back to get more people. Do this until all of them are on the Moon. When they run out of oxygen, or decided to open the door and find vacuum, they'll realize it was never a hoax. | |
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| Moon Landings - Question.
Posted: 7/7/2009 1:06:33 AM |
The space suits worn in the Apollo missions included a nappy type thing.
I understand they had steak and eggs breakfast etc before they left too..
Presumably they had to keep their suits on for the entire duration of a mission, and so the "nappy" must have been full of shite after a long mission ?
They were able to take off their suits for most of the duration of the voyage and only had to suit up for key stages of the mission. Though suits were worn for the entirety of the time spent in the LM.
How hot does it get on the moon in the full glare of the sun ?
In excess of 200 deg C.
The moon buggy was stored where on the lander ? Was it left on the moon or returned ?
It was stored in a compartment on the descent stage of the lander, pictures can be seen on the internet of it being deployed. It was left on the moon. The entire descent stage was in fact left on the moon.
Are there valuable minerals on the moon ?
Almost certainly. But define valuable?
Do you mean minerals which would have a value on Earth? Yes, do you mean minerals we could mine and return to earth for a profit?
Not a chance. It cost $23 billion for 6 missions to the moon bringing back between 10 and 100kg of rock per trip.
Bloody expensive minerals!!!!! | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 7:02:49 PM |
Not a chance. It cost $23 billion for 6 missions to the moon bringing back between 10 and 100kg of rock per trip.
Though it'd be perfect for a base on the moon! Why bother bringing it back when we could use it to build an observatory on the far side! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 1:17:21 PM |
Though it'd be perfect for a base on the moon! Why bother bringing it back when we could use it to build an observatory on the far side!
Hey, If i controlled world budgets I'd be on your side. But getting that multipurpose refinery up there is going to be a real bugger. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 3:15:09 PM | | I've got a decent amount of free time in my young years. Now if I had a rocket, a degree, and a little bit of help... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 5:01:08 PM |
Where are the heat sheilds and parachute? If they need them then there may be life on the moon after all! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 5:18:14 PM | Crimey...go get a 6 foot Revelle model of the Saturn V and put it together...you'll get an education as to where everything is located....or look up the specs on google.
Wonder if they will ever sell off the suits? (a la 'Have spacesuit...Will travel') Saw John Glenns Mercury gloves on Antiques Roadshow.... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 6:00:24 PM | | maybe someday all the privateers will get there, if money can be made you may see people do it. Soon space tourism will take its first paying customers up. The X prize has been won. Maybe we need a moon prize now? Government did get it done decades ago but now with the world economy in a mess there wont be much cash from tax payers. Possibly Branson and virgin will aim higher if he makes money on the first low orbit stuff? Maybe Bill Gates? Maybe all the new chinese billionaires or China itself? That would be sad...... China on the moon but no USA... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 8:31:09 PM | The Moon is in China's plan. If 2200 lbs of Helium 3 can be harvested from the lunar surface, it is likely that it could supply fusion reactors supplying ALL of mankind's energy needs. That's a bit bigger than the X prize,
Do you know of any endangered creatures on the moon? | |
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Posted: 7/16/2009 3:44:33 PM | a neat site on the first landing. takes a bit of time to load if you dont have a fast connection
http://wechoosethemoon.org/ | |
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Posted: 7/17/2009 12:36:23 AM | Ok, MoonDoggies. Here we go; this weekend Hats Off to Neil, Buzz & Alan! Hip, Hip, Hurray! 4 decades & NO ONE forgets it, man. Shoot, as a kid, watching that LEM shoot
off FAST off its base on rinky-dink B & W tv, Holy Moly, that was a friggin' 1st for all time
4 us monkeys here.
Man, I'll be celebrating the 40th @ a pof gig w/about 100 other loonies. Just the kind of place some of the early 'nauts probably went to while training in Cocoa Beach.
And, just saw "Moon" 2 days ago (directed by Zowie Bowie, David's son). Cool how they
used mostly miniatures on the set vs GUI. (A la 2001)
Appreciate the academia, dig it all, & 2 bad we can't get our communal priorities together & devote 15-20% of our budgets to take care of pretty important bidness in our lifetime:
joining our local stellar neighborhood association. I know, tho, small steps...like Elly Arroway's dad told her in 'Contact'. But man, any slower and we'll never get there, LOL!
Peace out. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2009 6:31:08 PM | For those who are inclined to think we didn't actually go to the moon, here's a little photographic proof that, not only did we go, we left stuff behind.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/17jul_lroc.htm | |
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Posted: 7/17/2009 11:23:29 PM | from ck1time (msg66):
Ok, MoonDoggies. Here we go; this weekend Hats Off to Neil, Buzz & Alan! Hip, Hip, Hurray! 4 decades & NO ONE forgets it, man. Just curious, who is this 'Alan' you speak of? Was he an unknown stowaway on the LEM? Maybe that was the pet name for the overloaded LEM computer (a very early prototype of HAL?). Or was he up in the Command Module with Michael Collins (hats off to Mike as well as Neil and Buzz).
Perhaps you are referring to Alan Sheppard. While he certainly deserves a 'hats off' for his various achievments, the 40th anniversary of his moon mission (Apollo 14) doesn't come until 2011.
Take care. | |
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Posted: 7/17/2009 11:37:42 PM | It gets up to 123 deg centigrade in the sun
The buggy was stored in the side of the base of the lander, it was left behind as the base was left behind.
There are valuable minerals, but not enough to pay for going back. | |
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| Moon Landings - Question.
Posted: 7/27/2009 9:07:33 AM | Meassge 6
The Norwegians did not beat Columbus to America. Columbus was a Spanish fop.
The Irish who were then called Scottii (hence Scotia) actually explained to the Norwegians how to get there.
When Leif Ericson (Eric the Red) was banished from the then Norse port of Dublin c 820 he went North to Hebrides and then North to Iceland passing Irish Monks who had settled on te Island of Papey (South East). So they beat Eric the Red to Iceland.
They explained to him that Brendan had sailed across to Greenland and an island we call Nova Scotia and returned.
So while the Norwegians were tough they were pansies compared to the Irish who had already discovered Iceland, Greenland and Vinland (as in Finn) ( see Finn MacCool)
it is even possible they discovered Manhattan (MacIl Hatton, Man Hutton etc) | |
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| Moon Landings - Question.
Posted: 7/27/2009 9:17:42 AM | | I just saw a program on Walter Cronkite. He said the very first moon landing was a fake. Millions of people were watching an animation prepared in advance and this animation showed the touchdown occuring 40 seconds before the lander actually touched down therefor the very first moon landing was aFAKE. Millions cheered the landing animation before they actually landed. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 9:45:21 AM | | message 67. stargazer that is very cool. I didnt know they were surveying the moon now and it is amazing the resolution of the pictures clearly showing man made stuff left behind. When you think of the brains, skill and guts it took to do apollo 40 years ago and the pathetic human losers who are trying to tear it down it really makes you shake your head. Why does this always happen that spectacular achievements are crapped on? | |
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| Moon Landings - Question.
Posted: 7/27/2009 9:53:44 AM |
Millions of people were watching an animation prepared in advance and this animation showed the touchdown occuring 40 seconds before the lander actually touched down... Millions cheered the landing animation before they actually landed.
Were YOU watching the TV coverage that day? Were YOU fooled? You didn't know it was just an animation? (The television networks needed to show SOMETHING to their viewers besides just a blank screen.) I remember watching the TV coverage of the event and I knew exactly what was going on. Shame on you. 
...therefor the very first moon landing was a FAKE
Now there's quite a non-sequitur... you didn't know it was just a pre-made animation, and so the whole thing was a fake.  | |
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| Moon Landings - Question.
Posted: 7/27/2009 10:56:53 AM |
He said the very first moon landing was a fake. Millions of people were watching an animation prepared in advance and this animation showed the touchdown occuring 40 seconds before the lander actually touched down therefor the very first moon landing was aFAKE. Millions cheered the landing animation before they actually landed.
And away went any of Dave's credibility as a "logical" thinker. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 12:09:54 PM | Some people have no sense of humor. The Cronkite comments centered on an animation of a touchdown indicator light that indicated touchdown. Those not paying attention to the audio or needed delayed translations from English thought the lander had already landed and were cheering the success. In reality, the lander was manuvering laterally to avoid crashing and touched down 40 seconds after the animation nearly out of fuel for the descent engine. The way Cronkite put it, CBS landed before the astronauts.
If you are frustrated that there are people who really believe there was no moon landing, ask yourself just what can or should you do about it. Does it justify worrying about such beliefs much less arguing them? I find such beliefs fodder for humor and framed the Cronkite comments in this vain. What many people saw as the first landing on the moon was a fake. It certainly does not mean there was no landing. If you wish to argue the point, by all means, waste your time. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 1:37:00 PM | Not to mention NASA policy of retarding "live" coverage involving the crews of any mission. I think it is a seven second delay before being rebroadcast to the general public. In memorial to Grissom, White and Chaffee.
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