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Posted: 8/25/2009 9:12:57 AM | Once again, certain people can't resist playing "The Blame Game." Allow me to repeat a portion of a previous post of mine:
MJ's story reads like one that we’ve read dozens of times already. A person starts from humble origins and then rises to superstardom where he/she is lavished with unbridled praise and wealth. Eventually, this previously humble person starts believing he's as fantastic as everyone says he is and he starts detaching himself from others. Finally, he becomes so self absorbed; rules that apply to regular people don’t seem to apply to him anymore. It’s a story as old as money itself.
The biggest irony here is that his fans cannot comprehend the role they played in his demise. Much of what led to his death is that he wasn’t allowed to live a normal life. When he started losing his grip on reality, no one would let him come down off his pedestal. Not his father, not the music industry and especially not HIS FANS. I don’t expect his fans to believe me. After all, loving him to pieces and worshipping the ground he walked on could have only been good for him, right? Wrong. Celebrities falling apart and destroying themselves in the presence of rabid, adoring fans is almost a cliché. It's been said that there is no force on earth strong enough to loosen the grip a man has on his own throat. Perhaps going to jail for his indiscretions would have been the best thing for him. He would have had to kick drugs, he would have had to follow the same rules as the rest of the population, and most importantly, he wouldn’t have had adoring fans around to enable him. In short, Peter Pan would have had to grow up! When he got out, he might have returned to the kind, generous person he was in the beginning before all the money, fame and acclaim clouded his vision.
What has been learned from all this irony? Not much apparently. MJ's death is a homicide investigation now and the witch-hunt is likely to continue for years to come. It's a shame that non-fans and fans can't quit attacking each other and agree that his death was a tragedy that mostly stems from the perils of fame. The public can't seem to resist giving famous people the message that we think that they’re better than we are, that we don’t deserve to breathe the same air that they do and then we can’t understand it when our idols destroy themselves. When will we learn? The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2009 7:16:07 PM | MJ's story reads like one that we’ve read dozens of times already. A person starts from humble origins and then rises to superstardom where he/she is lavished with unbridled praise and wealth. Eventually, this previously humble person starts believing he's as fantastic as everyone says he is and he starts detaching himself from others.
Michael Jackson was raised from year one to be a superstar. This is far from 'humble origins'. Especially when you consider the fact that his father, Joseph Jackson, ridiculed, beat, and put Michael up on stage at age 5, along with his other brothers.
Eventually this 'humble person' who, deep down was extremely sad and lonely, took comfort knowing that some people, mostly the fans he never met, and his close brothers, loved him, and that's all he had.
Finally, he becomes so self absorbed; rules that apply to regular people don’t seem to apply to him anymore. It’s a story as old as money itself.
You are jumping from his apparent 'humble upbringing' to, i'm assuming, the late eighties, where at this point Michael Jackson is the biggest superstar in the world, outweighing the fame of The Beatles in fact. The media, tabloids, focus heavily on him, as he is a big selling point. Remember, Michael has never known of what a regular life is, and to become self absorbed in your own world at this point, should not surprise anyone, as he is the only person he can probably talk to and understand. Aside from close friends of course, some of whom speak only kind words of this man. But you won't take their words over a 'reliable source' from the National Enquirer, right?
Michael is also aware of this and stages hoaxes (see 'elephant man bones' and 'hyperbolic chamber') just to toy with them.
The biggest irony here is that his fans cannot comprehend the role they played in his demise. Much of what led to his death is that he wasn’t allowed to live a normal life.
Remember, that he was not able to live a normal life since the age of 5. His fans also cannot be brought into the picture as playing any role in his demise, and they embraced and loved him, and he showed the same loving affection back.
When he started losing his grip on reality, no one would let him come down off his pedestal.
The press, tabloids would not let him live in peace, as they were fully responsible for fabricating newstories, emphasizing his innocent love for children while neglecting to inform the public of his various humanitarian missions, foundations, and the fact that Neverland was NOT created for the sole purpose of fulfilling some sort of childhood fantasy, but in fact, was built to help sick and dying children have some sort of happy ending to their short lives.
After all, loving him to pieces and worshipping the ground he walked on could have only been good for him, right?
Of course, and from what we can tell, that was his only shelter from the storm of bad publicity and shameful false alegations. (see thesmokinggun.com for full trial transcripts)
Wrong. Celebrities falling apart and destroying themselves in the presence of rabid, adoring fans is almost a cliché.
Give some examples? Fans would rip out the grass that the Beatles had walked on, and not to mention chase them down the street. When Paul McCartney STILL goes outside in public, a mob is almost certain to appear. He is 67.
And i actually would like you to give me some other examples of Celebrities falling apart because of their fans. Last I checked, the big headline was Britney Spears, and she was driven to near insanity because Paparazzi hid outside of her own home and stalk her when she would try to go anywhere. It's not the fans that drove her crazy. And it wasn't Michael's fans either
It's been said that there is no force on earth strong enough to loosen the grip a man has on his own throat. Perhaps going to jail for his indiscretions would have been the best thing for him. He would have had to kick drugs, he would have had to follow the same rules as the rest of the population, and most importantly, he wouldn’t have had adoring fans around to enable him. In short, Peter Pan would have had to grow up! When he got out, he might have returned to the kind, generous person he was in the beginning before all the money, fame and acclaim clouded his vision.
He was always a kind and generous person since the beginning. He was rich and famous from age 5. Do you mean he would have returned to to the.. 4 year old that he was? Give me a break, money and fame never clouded his vision. Dishonorable, manipulative parents of children he trusted, tabloid agencies, and money hungry district attorneys (see Tom Sneddon) led to him tiring of trying to save a world that was trying to milk him of all his worth, paint a picture of an otherwise honest, kind man, and leave him for nothing.
What has been learned from all this irony? Not much apparently. MJ's death is a homicide investigation now and the witch-hunt is likely to continue for years to come. It's a shame that non-fans and fans can't quit attacking each other and agree that his death was a tragedy that mostly stems from the perils of fame. The public can't seem to resist giving famous people the message that we think that they’re better than we are, that we don’t deserve to breathe the same air that they do and then we can’t understand it when our idols destroy themselves. When will we learn? The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.
Much of what i have put up above can discredit your above quote, and multiple posts in this thread. But i'd rather use a quote from Paul Simon's beautiful tune 'Proof'
Faith
Faith is an island in the setting sun
But proof, yes
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Posted: 8/26/2009 2:15:25 AM | Look, if MJ had gotten busted for child molestation once, followed through with it and gotten an innocent verdict, we wouldnt even be talking about this today. But he ducked the ball (to the tune of $22 million) and then he got busted for the same damn thing all over again a year or so later! (When he admitted to sleeping with children.) None of us were there; our intuition is all we have! (Unless youre 17, then all he has to do is look sexy!) The OFFICIAL JUDGE that presided over MJ’s case ACQUITTED him. HE WAS NOT FOUND INNOCENT. This isn’t a distortion of the truth meant to rile MJ fans. His fans are already so frantic right now it’s hard to know who to believe, but the judge’s ruling in this case remains FINAL AND INDISPUTABLE. Anyone else that presents evidence to the contrary is simply doing what his fans have been doing all along, giving you their OPINION, nothing more.
None of this matters much anymore, the guy is dead. The thing that keeps this issue alive for me now are the millions of brain-washed fan-atics out there that simply don't care if he committed the crimes he was accused of, so long as he looks awesome doing the moonwalk! I believe this nation is going to feel the corrupting influence of MJ on the minds of this generation for years to come. Things like honesty and integrity mean little to these people. It doesn’t matter what you do any more, it’s all about how good you look doing it! The only thing sacred to them these days is fame and money! This is the future of this country!
Yeah, I’m a fool that believes a person should pay his debt to society for committing a heinous crime. I’m a real moron because I believe in the established laws that claim there are standards of behavior for ALL OF US and it shouldn’t matter if you’re rich and famous, we're expected to obey them and govern our lives accordingly. Turns out, MJ found a loop hole in those laws thanks to his money and you fans. HE WAS TOO RICH AND POPULAR TO STOP! BULLSHIT!
If this matter is closed for you, fine! Is it really necessary for you to waste Internet space to say that you don’t want to talk about it anymore? (It’s probably more accurate to say that many of you still DO want to talk about it, it would just be easier if everyone agreed with you.) My dispute is with bull-headed MJ devotees now. (Yeah, you know who you are.) MJ's story may be one we've heard before, but his fans are a Twilight Zone episode alone! As long as MJ's name is still a cash cow for so many people, they're going to feed them whatever they want to hear if it persuades them to rush out and buy more MJ merchandise.
Adios MJ, you were great! (For awhile.)
Hey, marc_the_crepe, ever heard of Elvis Presley? Kurt Cobain? Jim Morrison? Brian Jones? Jimi Hendrix? Janis Joplin? Hank Williams Sr? Pete Ham? Phil Oches? Nick Drake? John Bonham? Sid Vicious? Tim Buckley? All of these artists struggled with fame and ended up destroying themselves. They didn't die by accident, they did themselves in. Do both of us a favor and don't start with me. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2009 8:09:29 AM | What happened to the posts about the date of the burial being pushed back again?
Also, they are planning a theatrical release of the production of his final tour, to be released sometime in the fall/winter. At least we can have one last look into how he was. I saw some clips and he seems to be in fairly good form.
You've got to hand it to him, though. He was really making a good, honest attempt at giving his fans a chance to see him perform one last time, and though a film isin't much the same, at least it's something we can hold on to, aside from these incessant news stories about his burial, family feuds and secret sons!
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Posted: 8/26/2009 9:41:49 AM |
What happened to the posts about the date of the burial being pushed back again?
It got deleted along with some other recent postings of mine.
I've heard September 3rd is the day of his burial. Some members of his family objected to having him laid to rest on his birthday. Can't say I blame them.
The police are going to treat his death as a homicide but more than likely if there are any charges, it'll be for manslaughter. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 10:42:59 AM |
Michael Jackson was raised from year one to be a superstar. That is yet another ridiculously false statement! Michael was originally thought to be too young to be a part of the group. The Jackson performing group originally consisted of the older 3 brothers...NOT MJ who was the SEVENTH of 9 children.
This is far from 'humble origins' What is far from humble origins? Being born and raised in a home the size of a 2 car garage in Gary, IN is far from humble origins? His father was a small time musician turned mill worker. I think to most people those and other circumstances of his "origins" certainly qualify as humble.
Especially when you consider the fact that his father, Joseph Jackson, ridiculed, beat, and put Michael up on stage at age 5, along with his other brothers. Michael didnt join the group until he was 6 as a backup musician playing the congas and tambourine. He didnt actually get to sing with the group on stage full time until he was 8yo. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 11:05:28 AM | No, totally. Joseph was breedin' them kids just for money, and i'm sure when mike was born he was expected to join up at some point. Being born in an industrial suberb to an african american family in the 60's with a violent father, is pretty far from humble too. I don't know if that still qualifies as humble to you. :P I've watched several of his personal interviews and read autobio's (not just wiki! )
P.s. to the last post on manslaughter, I get a vibe that the family is trying to reverse his cause of death from suicide to better his image. I think that the doctor killing him may be somewhat of a stretch, even if he did i'm sure it was unintentional and due to Michael's orders for certain medication. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 11:45:06 AM | if MJ had gotten busted for child molestation once, followed through with it and gotten an innocent verdict, we wouldnt even be talking about this today An "innocent" verdict????? What do you know or understand about the US court system? Ever hear of Guilty or Not Guilty???? The Jury (if one is used) returns the verdict of guilty or not guilty. In the case of of the state of California vs Michael Jackson the JURY found him NOT GUILTY on ALL 10 counts! Still, YOU are here printing ignorance and falsehoods based upon your opinions based upon apparent ignorance and falsehoods. The settlement amount in the earlier 1993 case is undisclosed. Its now reported to be considerably less than the then reported $22 million.
Things like honesty and integrity mean little to these people. Interesting, that post shows no honesty nor integrity.
I’m a real moron because I believe in the established laws that claim there are standards of behavior for ALL OF US and it shouldn’t matter if you’re rich and famous, we're expected to obey them and govern our lives accordingly. Good, then you supported criminal charges being filed against presidents Ronald Reagan, George Bush sr and Jr?
MJ found a loop hole in those laws thanks to his money and you fans What is the loophole oh source of misinformation? Not guilty on all counts by a jury? Whoa, the old Not Guilty loophole, wonder how many high priced legal minds and fanatical fans it took to find that "loophole" in the law?
BTW, Jordan Chandler, the kid who claimed he was "touched" by MJ in the 1993 filing, under a sedative given by his father(who profited from this whole sad farce) In 2006 filed charges against his father for a lifetime of abuse including life threatening abuse. It seems to go further to prove that MJ wasnt the abusive 1, it was of course, Jordan Chandlers money grubbing, calouse father. The father whose abuse far exceeds anything MJ ever suffered from his own. The father who orchestrated the whole charade of accusations against MJ in 1993. The difference is that Jordan Chandler is now a grown up (26 in 2006), able to make choices and decisions for himself. Not a 13yo under sedatives administered by his father, not a child under the abusive threat of his abusive father to make false accusations. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 12:02:21 PM | No, totally. Joseph was breedin' them kids just for money, and i'm sure when mike was born he was expected to join up at some point Thank you for making my point about the incredible amount of ignorance and negative foolishness posted on this thread by some who seem unable to read nor reason for themselves. I've been to Gary and have seen the house...I live in Indiana. "humble" is an understatement to their beginnings. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 9:13:22 PM | I just wish I didn't have to hear MJ's stupid music almost every time I turn on the radio now.
Bye Michael, don't let the dirt hit you in the face creep. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 4:28:14 PM | An "innocent" verdict????? What do you know or understand about the US court system? Ever hear of Guilty or Not Guilty???? The Jury (if one is used) returns the verdict of guilty or not guilty. In the case of of the state of California vs Michael Jackson the JURY found him NOT GUILTY on ALL 10 counts! - marathonman11x7
I'm not arguing that he was found "Not Guilty." That's part of the definition of "ACQUITTED".
BUT... (God, I hate repeating myself to people who STILL aren't going to get it anyway.)
You fans refuse to admit that MJ was never found guilty or innocent. He didn’t let it go that far. His accusers dropped the charges after MJ paid them $22 million, so the judge ACQUITTED HIM. While acquitted means “Not Guilty” under certain circumstances, IT DOESN’T MEAN INNOCENT! Why'd that family take the money and run? Because they were greedy, thats why! If they were good parents, they wouldnt let their kid spend the night with a stranger in the 1st place!
MJ was all about helping kids, right? Then what was he doing at the time that was more important than holding out for an innocent verdict (after all, he was innocent, right?) and saving Jordan Chandler from being used as a pawn by his family in some big extortion scheme? THINK! Don’t just react... THINK! If this happened to any one else, would it make sense? Would you instinctively believe in his innocence the way you do MJ?
Cops apprehend so many bad guys, accused offenders get tossed in alongside dangerous criminals when they’re arrested every day. Hey, law enforcement ain’t pretty kids! Jail is the place they take bad people so they won't hurt good people, remember? Just because you (and he) think he’s a delicate little angel, doesn’t make it the cop’s job to handle him like fine china. What did you expect them to do, ask for his autograph? If you don’t want mean old cops to hurt your feelings, DON’T BREAK THE LAW! MJ was arrested on child molestation charges, for Petes sake! Cops hope accused offenders will hate getting arrested so much, they’ll never want to come back again! MJ should have learned his lesson the first time. Instead, he got busted for the same thing twice, then made films crying about it so people would feel sorry for him! Never before have I witnessed a man brought up on criminal charges with the ability to con so many people simply by pleading for mercy in a tiny, wounded voice. Who can rationalize the mind-melting spell MJ continues to hold his hysterical cult under even after his death? I suspect that if he is remembered for anything in the future, his music will pale in comparison to the pit of excess and depravity he ushered his eager followers into.
ONCE AGAIN, as a public service... I'll print the definition of ACQUIT.
ACQUIT: (uh – kwit)
1. to relieve from a charge of fault or crime. (The jury acquitted her, but I still think she's guilty.)
2. to release or discharge a person from an obligation.
3. to settle or satisfy (a debt, obligation, claim, etc.)
4. to free or clear oneself: He acquitted himself of suspicion.
Anyone spot the word INNOCENT anywhere in this definition? I don't. | |
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Posted: 9/17/2009 7:28:24 PM |
I just wish I didn't have to hear MJ's stupid music almost every time I turn on the radio now.
Yeah me too! Innocent people DO NOT settle out of court especially to the tune of 22 million dollars. There's no doubt that he was talented but he ruined his career and reputation with his crazy behaviour. If he really was guilty it just proves that rich people can get away with anything, money truly is the root of all evil (along with politics and religion but thats another issue).  | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 1:44:37 AM |
Yeah me too! Innocent people DO NOT settle out of court especially to the tune of 22 million dollars. There's no doubt that he was talented but he ruined his career and reputation with his crazy behaviour. If he really was guilty it just proves that rich people can get away with anything, money truly is the root of all evil (along with politics and religion but thats another issue
He settled for cash, only because he wanted the whole nightmare to go away. Initially he was against paying anything, but when the nightmare was dragging along, his lawyers advised him it's in his best interest. 'Screw' what public was thinking about it, was also advise to him from Lisa Marie Presley...they wanted to move on.
Of course, this notion pretty much reamains the same till today, it was his choice and that's that and it does not prove anything. One must be naive to think life is 'black and white' | |
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Posted: 9/18/2009 12:21:22 PM | I just wish I didn't have to hear MJ's stupid music almost every time I turn on the radio now.
Yeah me too! Innocent people DO NOT settle out of court especially to the tune of 22 million dollars. There's no doubt that he was talented but he ruined his career and reputation with his crazy behaviour. If he really was guilty it just proves that rich people can get away with anything, money truly is the root of all evil (along with politics and religion but thats another issue).
Yeah, me too! I only hope that I'll be able to hear one of his songs on the radio some day (Like I could avoid it.) without being reminded of how the law only applies to working class mutts like me. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2009 3:28:23 AM | Jacko, was kind of like the black Elvis....take away the shrewd management, their impeccable sense of timing and there simply isn't anything more than the average musician. In fact neither was a real musician(Elvis did manage to play a few chords)
Neither wrote more than a handful of their own songs, most of Jacko's dance moves were copied from Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly both merely represented an image that millions of kids wanted to emulate, which by no means makes either one a "genius" in there field. All the glitz and glamour that each of them employed to sell their art only sold it to those that don't recognize art, in other words children.The last time Jacko even resembled the Micheal Jackson we we intrduced to, I.E. a black man... was1985
Since then he progressively began to look more and more like Diana Ross until he completely overdid it and took on the look of something not of this world. I find it impossible to garner any respect for someone who tries to change their appearance to that of a different race than they were born
As far as being guilty or not of being a child molester....why would he settle out of court? With his money he could have damn near bought a not-guilty verdict, but to settle out of court is like an admission of guilt. Anyway, all the so called "good" that he did on earth will never supersede what he admitted to doing to at least one child.
I have a bad feeling that tells me wherever he is now it's probably so damned hot there that all that skin pigmintation treatment he bought is now burnt to a crisp.  | |
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Posted: 9/20/2009 4:08:44 AM | After reading5pages of posts on here I have spotted a common thread: all of those who choose to remain delusional and continue to defend someone who claimed his actions were"perfectly natural"are calling themselves fans, when in all actuality they crossed the line into" fanatacism"way back when they were whining to mom&dad to take them to see "Micheal". Face it kiddies we all saw and heard his admission of his preference for little boys. NOBODY WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY, WHO IS INNOCENT, WOULD PAY OUT A DIME TO "MAKE THE NIGHTMARE GO AWAY" Had he been innocent he would have paid more than 22 million to prove it.
For all of you fanatics who actually think he was talented....that whole idea is proof enough to the rest of us that you do not posess the intelligence to understand what morals are. Let's just hope that it doesn't take one of your own children being molested, in order to change your mind about pedophilia. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2009 3:42:45 PM | to quote Balboa4U
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<div class='quote'> Forget it, crs1234, They're right and you're wrong. They're disciples of the supreme Lord Jacko and we're trolls. I'M WARNING YOU GUYS. If you don't want people like me to come forward and shake the lofty perch you're sitting on, YOU'D BETTER COOL IT WITH THE NAME CALLING CRAP.
Off-topic:
There. I would like to say that’s my final word on this matter but I’m sure someone will write in about how wrong and screwed up I am and I’ll have to return. Like I said before, I recommend that you starry-eyed fans steer clear of the legal aspects of this debate and what a divine prophet he was and just concentrate on his music. Nobody (not me anyway) is going to argue with you about how much he rocked.
irrelevent:
Oh girlintheforum, that means chill, ya know whut I’m sayin’?
to define 'troll'
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
my favourite catchphrase of yours:
OK... Like I said before, I'm outta here. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2009 3:07:50 PM | Let's just hope that it doesn't take one of your own children being molested, in order to change your mind about pedophilia.
By the same token, let's hope you never get accused of child molestation. Of course assuming you didn't actually do it.
Two sides to every coin. Most people conveniently only choose to see the one that fits their personal agenda. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2009 7:36:36 PM | You don't read very well raphael.....why in the world would anyone, especially an extremely wealthy person- settle out of court,if they know that they are truly not-guilty???paying out millions of dollars in exchange
for the litigant to not only drop charges, but agree in writing to refrain from discussing all aspects of alledged acusations.
I sincerely would not believe that MJ was guilty of said allegations had I not heard him say on national television that he believed"it is perfectly natural for him to sleep in the same bed with a little boy." We know he wasn't speaking of his own son, because he didn't yet have a son at that time. And it was'nt a case of the two being stranded in the cold, sleeping together to stay warm.
What bothers me more than anything about this whole issue is not the fact that he is a pedophile,(wasn't the first&won't be the last) but the fact that all of you youngsters are so damned foolish as to put him up above human status, as if he were some kind of god, who was incapable of such behavior. He was flesh and blood...nothing more
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Posted: 9/21/2009 10:52:44 PM | Ah marc the crepe and raphael adroit esquire, once again your logic is as clear as mud.
Imagine the money that you had to pay rent with got stolen. Several people tell you they saw me steal it but when you ask them to help you get your money back, they deny what they had said because I got to them first and paid them to change their story. Would you decide not to press charges on me because your witnesses backed out? Would you conclude I was innocent because you didn’t see me do it? Bingo! This is how MJ got off too, except what he did was far worse. Now, picture an ordinary citizen being charged with the crime MJ was charged with. Try to replace your pop star idol with “Joe Average”. Would you automatically believe in his innocence? Would you pressure the public to feel sorry for Joe and ignore the evidence against him? What if Joe wasn’t very sexy? If your answer is no, what does that say about your values? Would you cry for Joe? Do you think Joe would feel sorry for you?
Don’t you think it’s uncharacteristic for an insurance co. to advise their client to pay his accusers demands rather than follow through with the trial? If he had gotten an innocent verdict, it would have repaired his damaged reputation and he wouldn’t have had to pay a dime! Why would an insurance co. tell MJ that they insist on dishing out $22 million when MJ didn’t want them to? It just doesn’t make sense! I think MJ got scared. With the evidence and so many people he thought would never turn on him testifying against him, he decided he couldn’t risk a guilty verdict. He was used to being adored, plus he had a drug habit. MJ was terrified of going to jail. With all his mounting legal woes, his first impulse was to drum up community support, so he made a series of videos whining about how some people can be such meanies, hoping they would make him look innocent. (He shouldn’t have bothered. His fans would love him even if he turned out to be the Unabomber.) It’s a shame he thought he needed to dupe his fans to cover his tracks, but they don’t seem to mind.
Justice is a process and MJ halted that process with his money and popularity. If Joe Average, NOT Michael Jackson was charged with molesting your child would you say, “Hey, its understandable if he doesn’t want to wait for a verdict, I’m sure he has better things to do. The important thing is to let him get back to his lifestyle.” OF COURSE NOT! You would expect him to sit through the entire process! If found guilty, you would want him to be punished! Why are the rules different for MJ? Why didn’t his accusers make MJ sit through the entire justice finding process? It’s probably because they were offered such a huge sum of money and were greedy enough to take the money and run. Why didn’t the court insist on justice being served in this case? I don’t know, but it pisses me off! I assume they wanted to pacify the millions of frantic fans ready to riot if they didn’t let him off the hook. I guess they thought it was a fair trade and hoped he wouldn’t do it again. WRONG!
Oh well, he’s dead now.
NOBODY is going to win this debate. The most important endeavor now is to learn from this incident and not be afraid to exercise our Constitutional rights to speak out when our courts compromises the truth in the future. To avoid buying in to any biased propaganda trying to suck you in to take your money or to just conclude that someone is innocent simply because he begs for mercy in a tiny, wounded voice or cuz he is sooo darn sexy. To carefully weigh the evidence obtained from official, legal documents in any case that might get corrupted as badly as this one did and draw reasonable, objective conclusions. GOD BLESS AMERICA! | |
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Posted: 9/22/2009 4:59:18 PM |
Ah marc the crepe and raphael adroit esquire, once again your logic is as clear as mud.
I was just tacking the good ol' troll tag on you.
Let's say your rich and famous and going to court will slow down your career. You will save more money providing hush money to greedy manipulative parents, then by doing a long drawn out trial. Though this is what he did, it still doesnt make him guilty. It is suspicious, but it still doesn't prove he is guilty.
You can only be basing your opinion on skeptism at this point.
Yes, he was 'aquitted' and that does not mean 'Not-guilty' but it also doesn't mean 'Guilty'
No, paying on accuser does not make him Guilty either. It does, however, make one wary of the parents (why wouldn't you push for justice?)
So at this point, yes your right, it is very suspicious to have done the pay-off 15 or so years ago, but you have to remember that from what we know through interviews with his closest friends and family members, as well as people who worked very closely with him... he was a kind, caring person who raised children (likely adopted) who also only spoke good of him. | |
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| Goodbye Michael Jackson..................
Posted: 9/22/2009 8:01:12 PM |
What bothers me more than anything about this whole issue is not the fact that he is a pedophile,(wasn't the first&won't be the last) but the fact that all of you youngsters are so damned foolish as to put him up above human status, as if he were some kind of god, who was incapable of such behavior. He was flesh and blood...nothing more
I agree that he's human and not some kind of god. But that doesn't make him automatically guilty any more than being a god might make him automatically innocent. What bothers me more than anything about this whole issue is the people who were not fans of his that are doing the very thing they're accusing the fans of, only in the opposite direction. Rather than being objective, they are going out of their way to crucify him because they had already decided they didn't like him.
I'm not saying he didn't do anything wrong. I have no idea. I wasn't there. I'm simply saying that just as horrible as it is to be molested and have your accuser walk free, it is equally horrible to have your name dragged through the mud and your life subsquently ruined from being accused of something of this magnitude that you didn't actually do. Many people seem all too eager to except the former as pure, undeniable fact while failing to even entertain the latter as a miniscule possibility.
But in the documentary 'living with michael' by martin basjir, michael fully admits to 'guilting' gavin arvizzio (sic?) into sleeping in the same bed with him.
Did you ever see the alternate version of that documentary? It's available on youtube. Michael had his own cameras rolling during the filming of that entire thing that continued rolling when Bashir's cameras stopped. The things they captured were interesting to say the least. They catch numerous contradictions from Bashir and put other things into context that were conveniently taken out of context which seem to put a rather ominous slant on Bashir's documentary. Were these things intentional or merely careless? Watch and decide for yourself. | |
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| Goodbye Michael Jackson..................
Posted: 9/29/2009 3:10:14 PM | Is anybody ready to take a crack at any of my questions yet? C’mon, it’s not that tough. All you have to do is remove MJ from the scenario and say how you would judge a similar case involving a total stranger. Would you make the effort to pressure the public to feel sorry for Joe Average and ignore all the evidence against him or not? Would you cry for Joe if he made videos whimpering in a tiny, wounded voice how people should care more about the feelings of a child molester? Why do some people think it's dumb to confront injustice? I believe it’s our civil and moral duty to speak out against social corruption. If we don’t, justice is up for grabs to the highest bidder. We shouldn’t make it easy for them. Do you think some hotshot pop star should be allowed to molest our children and then get acquitted for something the rest of us would be doing time in prison for simply because he's rich and famous? What do you suggest, we turn our heads and say “Oh well, life just isn’t fair?” The search for truth and justice doesn't involve "hush money." Don’t you think that the reason the judge acquitted MJ is because he caved in to his accusers demands so they’d drop the charges? If it’s so obvious that MJ is innocent, why didn’t the judge give the poor lad an innocent verdict? Why would MJ accept an acquittal if he was innocent? MJ was all about helping children, right? What was MJ doing that was more important than defending himself to clear his name so he could save that poor boy from being used as a pawn in some big extortion scheme? Why would an insurance co. insist on dishing out $22 million rather than follow through with the trial, especially after MJ told the insurance co. that he didn't want to pay? Had MJ gotten the innocent verdict that you fans are so convinced he deserved, he wouldn’t have had to pay them a dime and we wouldn’t even be talking about this now! IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!
Questions, questions...............Answers? | |
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| Goodbye Michael Jackson..................
Posted: 9/29/2009 5:29:02 PM | after giving this thread serious consideration, here are my thoughts:
the '80s focused nearly entirely on excess. reagan gave tax breaks to the wealthy, thus glorifying conspicuous consumption and indulgence. with the poor neatly swept under the rug, the nation could concentrate on building opulent homes, driving gas-guzzlers and the endless pursuit of glamour above all else.
jasckson, a brilliant marketer, saw the writing on the wall. realizing that the nation had moved away from the advances of the '60s and '70s, he strived toward 'whiteness.' the plastic surgery began to blur his racial characteristics physically. he then began to gravitate toward the new fixation with glitz and glamour. he wore over-the-top sequins, spangles and glitter. anything to demonstrate his embrace of excess. he epitomized the era.
and, like the '80s, he had to come to an end. the darker side began to emerge with the nation's return to a normal economy. he couldn't maintain his momentum because he had become redundant, a caricature of himself. with the '90s, we saw a shift in focus toward the seedier elements in society ~ heroine became suddenly chic, we watched a war on tv. stylistically, we rejected the shimmer of the previous era and embraced ripped clothing, tangled hair and celebrity scandal. the media began to focus on violent events ~ we hear about school shootings, the branch davidians, bombings, riots and infanticide. and suddenly we have the molestation charges.
yet, many continued to support jackson. i maintain that this indicated a subconscious desire for all he stood for ~ the excess, the opulence and the imagined prosperity. as a previous posted pointed out, the average joe-on-the-street would rot in jail whether guilty or not.
but many still embrace the jackson brand. it represents a time of great national fantasy, when we could all spend, indulge and feel part of some elite party that rocked the world. | |
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