| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 12:44:35 PM | My only marriage (1982-1997) was to a Colombian woman. I don't perceive a huge difference between Colombians and Americans except Colombian women like to dance and party all night more and they are not as serious about careers as American women are. They seem more likely than Americans to marry drinkers and cheater bad boy types and then complain a lot as if it is expected of them. And they seem to be very gossipy. After age 40, I find American women to be much more interesting to talk to. And more "real."
Your experience/opinions may be different than mine. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 12:48:07 PM | Poor OPie, lol! I'm glad you had a good time, but wonder *why* you needed to turn it into a biggol bash on American women? I lived in China for four years, married a Chinese student, and never had any felt need to compare him with all the American men I hadn't married. . . .
Perhaps, this is just another version of the famous "nice guy" thread: "I'm a pretty damn good deal, and you women are so shallow, or golddigging, or stupid, you don't grab me all up! Howcum?"
It *did* use amuse me that the foreign males had this vision of what they called "Asian Women" that they loved: docile, sweet, man-is-always-correct. . . . None of the women I knew in China fit that view, but it never stopped outsider males from imposing it, over and over. Chinese women are tough ladies, and do not take a lot of crap off their men; they have to be to have survived a culture which doesn't value women much. Take that to the bank.
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 12:51:34 PM | I agree TinkerBell...
OPs profile is a farce. Based on that...he will NEVER find a woman on POF. What he does in "real life", I can only guess.
If I were browsing profiles in my area and came across his, (OPs), I would certainly pass it up as someone that I had no interest in.
IF in fact, he is only on POF so that he can be involved in the forums...then why not simply state that, rather than post up a sarcastic profile that accomplishes nothing? | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 12:57:51 PM |
Chinese women are tough ladies, and do not take a lot of crap off their men... Absolutely true, this is my observation of being in China and living with Chinese people. Chinese women are not passive, docile, the 'man is always correct' types at all. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 7:46:37 PM | To OP and *Starstuff* re: Msg 11
And by the way, it's Rubenesque not Rubensian! Not so; see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Paul_Rubens OP is correct in using Rubensian. See text below from above reference.
His fondness of painting full-figured women gave rise to the terms 'Rubensian' or 'Rubenesque' for plus-sized women. The term 'Rubensiaans' is also commonly used in Dutch to denote such women. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 8:11:31 PM | I thought the OP's profile was kind of tongue in cheek ! Had to have a peek since it's been mentioned a few times.
Ok that said - I've noticed that the American women are a little less likely to quickly offer themselves up to guys. Higher expectations first and all that. But we live in this society - we're a product of our upbringing and our experience with American men.
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 8:14:38 PM | | 4 all seasons: Thanks for the lesson. I didn't know that. So, we are both right on that count at least. I still like the word Rubenesque better. Rubensian sound like someone from the planet Ruben. :-D | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 8:31:23 PM | The difference between American and Columbian Women is citizenship....I spent a summer traveling from Bogata Columbia to Caracus... (by train, bus, foot) I had the same response from the men and I do mean breathtakingly handsome men. I was constantly approached by them and told how beautiful I was and how they adored me and serenaded me. It was constant and I was quite flattered but...bottom line....marrying an American is like being on the "gravey train" regardless of the economic level. Please understand that I am not "downing" anyone, just stating a way of life. They are truly beautiful people and I would not want to cause offense in any way. I have walked in the steps that you have walked, literally. It is a beautiful country but with a lot of poverty and a tendency for earthquakes....one while I was there...oops ...off the subject..anyway...to marry an American is a prestigous thing.
Just the view I encountered while there. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 8:55:07 PM | Dear OP maybe you should move to Colombia...
How DARE you put women of your own country BENEATH those of another...you just shot yourself in the foot on this site w/ local women.
BTW maybe some American women have high standards in men because they have the same high standards for themselves...
There are sites for mail order brides...plenty of Oksana-Svetlanas ready to boil your kielbasi | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 8:57:48 PM |
The difference between American and Columbian Women is citizenship....I spent a summer traveling from Bogata Columbia to Caracus... (by train, bus, foot) I had the same response from the men and I do mean breathtakingly handsome men. I was constantly approached by them and told how beautiful I was and how they adored me and serenaded me. It was constant and I was quite flattered but...bottom line....marrying an American is like being on the "gravey train" regardless of the economic level. Please understand that I am not "downing" anyone, just stating a way of life. They are truly beautiful people and I would not want to cause offense in any way. I have walked in the steps that you have walked, literally. It is a beautiful country but with a lot of poverty and a tendency for earthquakes....one while I was there...oops ...off the subject..anyway...to marry an American is a prestigous thing. Agree. I have experienced much the same thing in my travels outside of Western Europe and North America. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 8:58:54 PM | So you were in my country, Colombia NO Columbia, thanks.
Colombian women LOVE American men, because Colombian people think all Americans are VERY wealthy, That’s all,
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 9:03:20 PM | I dated a Columbian woman way back in my early 20s. Met her at the local community college. She and her family had become naturalized citizens.
She was very sweet, beautiful and feminine. She was fun loving, but had a calm strenght about her. She was captivating. If she is representative of Columbian women, I'd love to meet another.
I know a guy that has done the Columbian dating thing. He had a pleasent experience. Not as ravingly enjoyable as the OP, but pleasent. Yet, he doesn't speak the language. He's convinced a friend of mine that he should look for a mate in Columbia.
I kid my friend, telling him I don't understand why he wants to go thousands of miles to meet a woman, when I can't even get him to go 20 miles, to a nearby town, to possibly meet a good woman.
My thoughts? There are scammers right here in the US/North America, as well as some good women. I don't know why other countries wouldn't be the same.
IMO, no matter where you go, ya gotta weed out the dregs.
But hey! To each their own.
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 9:57:47 PM |
Colombian women LOVE American men, because Colombian people think all Americans are VERY wealthy, That’s all. I've actually been proposed to several times by men I just met, in countries outside of N. America, but once even in Italy. They think American women are rich. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/26/2009 10:47:01 PM | Well I think the jury is in...
Strawberi50, Msg. 34 wrote: “bottom line....marrying an American is like being on the "gravey train" regardless of the economic level.” And, “to marry an American is a prestigious thing.” She was in the country, she had similar experiences to OP and frankly I believe she knows what she is talking about.
99Latingirl, who IS Columbian wrote: Msg. 38, “Colombian women LOVE American men, because Colombian people think all Americans are VERY wealthy, That’s all.” I’d say that’s coming straight from the horses mouth!!! Don’t mean to imply that you’re a horse LatinGirl!!!
Others in this thread have basically implied that it was mostly a situation where the women knew that OP was an American and that was the real attraction. Having lived in other countries and also having contact with men outside the US…I can say that the perception that all Americans are rich is quite true. I’ve had men come on to me at hurricane force, (from other countries) and act extremely romantic and interested in me, saying preposterous things when they didn’t even know me. Why? Because I’m an American and would be a great asset to their plans to immigrate to the US.
Now I don’t fault those who act this way. You could call them “gold-diggers” but often we don’t have any clue about the circumstances in which they live. I think it’s almost understandable that they look for ways to better themselves and get to the US or perhaps the UK. But, it’s still a no brainer!!! They are attracted to someone who can help them escape their own country and personality compatibility or love has nothing at all to do with their attraction.
Kind regards to all fishies...
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/27/2009 12:55:07 AM | I don't enjoy generalizations and usually don't entertain them, but the recent posts have confounded me.
Why would people want to generalize people from another country? The way it's been stated here, it's a fact that all Columbian women are money mongers.
A young lady from Columbia even said as much. Jesus, are you saying you are the same?
I can only surmize that people that have visited, or are from, Columbia agree that all the natives there are only looking for a meal ticket from Americans.
That seems sad to me.
But, what do I know. I've never been to Columbia.
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/27/2009 1:49:20 AM |
Why would people want to generalize people from another country? The way it's been stated here, it's a fact that all Columbian women are money mongers.
A young lady from Columbia even said as much. Jesus, are you saying you are the same?
Generally, the people who live there are much more attuned to their compatriots than foreigners. When I first went to Turkey, most of the people with whom I worked and interacted were Turkish, most Turkish women. I was warned from almost the first day about the way Turkish men would try to get into a relationship with a Western woman...Turkey has a very similar economy and social structure to Columbia: a very elite upper class, a relative small middle class, and a large working class who are often quite poor. However, it isn't only the poor men who go after Western women. Although we were warned, there were still women who got caught up in relationships with Turkish men, upper class educated men. The relationships I observed did not go well for these women...they felt used. Often these men are after sex as Western women are freer about sex, but also they are after the Western way of life. My friend, who is an educated Turkish woman, has a brother who within the last couple of years married an American woman. First thing they did was move to America. He is not from a poor family. He is college educated. He wants to live in America because the life is better. The young woman from Columbia was just being honest. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/27/2009 2:30:05 AM | You can't even compare the lifestyles between the countries. Hasn't Columbia got one of the highest kidnapping and extortion rates in the world?
Aside from its political upheavals, the OP may have a point in the difference in attitudes. Shock, horror, ladies: not every woman who's interested in a man you reject out-of-sight is a gold digger.
Maybe Colombian women - or even South American women for that matter - are more friendly, more approachable and more accepting than American women. Those women crying "gold digger" - when was the last time you were lesbians? So how would you know why Colombian women are viewed by the American men posting here as easier to get along with? | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/27/2009 3:27:18 AM | FriendlyFreeSpirit...
I'm not exactly positive what lesbians have to do with this issue.
I do think lifestyles between countries CAN be compared because the common denominator is poverty or lack of oppourtunity. There is a global perception that America is the land of milk and honey. The land of oppourtunity. You will find those in the Phillipines, Argentina, India, the Republic of Congo, Japan and many many other nations who wish to find a way to immigrate to the United States.
I asked my older son once why so many Indian and Pakistani men hit on me, on the internet. I said to my son, "I don't have any money." He said, "Money has nothing to do with it. They HAVE money. But they need you to sponsor them to come to the US." This is how immigration works.
So even if money is not the specific issue...there is still the need to find someone to sponsor. And even if others have money in their own country, they still want the oppourtunities that they perceive they can only find in the US or perhaps the UK.
No one is actually questioning whether Columbian women are friendlier or more approachable. I think the question is why? And I suggest the reason is because they have an agenda..."Get to the United States."
I have a kind of sensitivity about this issue because I am a member of a watch dog group that works to reduce 419 scams. These are the scams that originate most often in Western Africa. I see people reaching out from other countries all the time with the intent to use Americans because they perceive them as being rich. I understand WHY these people do what they do...but it is still WRONG.
I've been exposed to this same scenario over and over again. So others can naively suggest it's not the case. And that's fine. But OP has basically been warned now that this is the MO of many of these women. If he chooses to retire down to Columbia, he may well find that he is no longer the "man of the hour" because he is no longer in a position to sponsor a woman to come to the US. If he decides to bring a woman to the US instead, he may well find that after she gets here, he is again no longer the "man of the hour" since he has then fulfilled his usefulness.
Now...I do want to say that YES, there have been sweeping generalizations in this thread. Obviously it's IMPOSSIBLE that every single women is out to find a ticket to the US or the UK. However, I do submit that in the vast majority of cases...that is the objective. So now OP has been warned and advised. He can obviously do what he wants. If it turns out badly and is a disappointment, then he can't say he wasn't warned.
Kind regards to all fishies...
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/27/2009 3:46:47 AM | I've been exposed to this same scenario over and over again. So others can naively suggest it's not the case. And that's fine. But OP has basically been warned now that this is the MO of many of these women. If he chooses to retire down to Columbia, he may well find that he is no longer the "man of the hour" because he is no longer in a position to sponsor a woman to come to the US. If he decides to bring a woman to the US instead, he may well find that after she gets here, he is again no longer the "man of the hour" since he has then fulfilled his usefulness. I agree.
However, I don't think anyone has made a generalization about what all people in Columbia are like or all people anywhere. The only generalization has been that people in poorer countries tend to think that ALL Americans are rich. That is the only ALL I've seen here in this thread, except possibly the OP's generalization about Columbian women. The discussion is about why the women who approached or seemed so open to being approached by him were that way in contrast to his experiences with American woman. He made a rather sweeping statement that Columbian women and American women were different. However, when we discuss this issue and what is happening and say 'men' or 'women' it shouldn't be necessary to qualify it each time to say, not all the men or women in that country.
It is an aspect of these cultures that there are people who want to live in more prosperous countries, and they see marriage as a way to do it. It is no different than the phenomenon of 'mail order brides.'
You do realise that not everyone on the planet wants to live in America? It isn't just America, it is any prosperous Western country. In fact, if he were Australian, he might very well experience the same phenomenon. I just read a day or two ago on a more international dating site a thread by a British man who experienced this very phenomenon in another poor country. And no one said at any point the 'vast majority of third-world women.' Nor did anyone, that I am aware of, use the term prostitute.
The OP didn't sleep with any of them and he didn't mention anyone asking for a handout, either. And he's not the first man to post on PoF forums how he's found non-American women easier to get on with. They would be far more subtle about it than to sleep with someone immediately or ask for money immediately. They are looking for a relationship, just not one based on deep and abiding love. As well, I have also read many posts on the other site from British men who complain that British women are hard to get along with for the very same reason some American men complain about American women. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/27/2009 3:55:10 AM | No one is actually questioning whether Columbian women are friendlier or more approachable. I think the question is why? And I suggest the reason is because they have an agenda..."Get to the United States."
So you're saying they ARE more friendly and approachable and you say the reason is because they are after a green card or a meal ticket? You do realise that not everyone on the planet wants to live in America?
I don't see how you can possibly label "the vast majority" of third-world women as gold diggers or prostitutes. But I guess none of you see it that way. (Gold digger = quasi prostitute, imo.)
The OP didn't sleep with any of them and he didn't mention anyone asking for a handout, either. And he's not the first man to post on PoF forums how he's found non-American women easier to get on with.
OP: My opinion, for what it's worth is you found it easier to date in Colombia than where you live because a/ you were on holidays so you were more relaxed and b/ the women found you a novelty. | |
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| Differences between American and Colombian Women
Posted: 6/27/2009 6:05:55 AM | Whatever you said...it is one side of Colombian Women and mostly is true.
The other part of Colombian Women is their personality.
They have something what cost nothing...
Their are very nice and kind!
By the way...the worst part for Colombian Woman ...it is her husband's relations beside marriage...
She is "La Propia"...and she must accept her husband's "La Segunda" and "La Otra"...
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