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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/5/2009 11:16:10 AM | I didnt read all the responses,so I apologize if this is a repeat......
I think that most equate it with a sign of aging(even though it can happen at a very early age)
its a mortality thing ....
as I read earlier, if you wear it with confidence than its not an issue...
confidence is the key to almost everything.... | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/5/2009 12:19:03 PM | | I could care less one way or the other. It's just hair. If your losing it, just keep it looking tidy, and whatever. I see no reason to shave it all the way off just because of a bald spot. Unless you like it that way. If you are confident about how you look, then I'd be happy with it too. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/14/2009 12:29:55 PM | I personally think that it's a HUGE turnoff. Besides, gentlemen, would you be able to overlook a woman who was balding or receding? There is so much pressure for women to look their best, so why not men too?
Look into hair replacement, whether it be laser, hair grafting, etc.
There are lots of options out there. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/14/2009 2:37:26 PM |
I like the thought you put into your replies, raphael adroit esquire, but I still don't agree.
Then believe whatever you want, dude. These are only theories on my part, but they're based on some pretty solid things. I've spent years studying the psychological, biological, and various other components of attraction just because I was fascinated with it...... and trying to figure out an easier way to get laid. Going by what I know works and doesn't work, those theories make pretty solid sense to me.
I also don't think your comparison rings true, either. There are many women in their 20s who have wrinkles, and I don't think most men find them any less attractive than women who have less wrinkles.
You could think that, but by and large you'd be wrong. Why do you think women spend so much money and effort on makeup, facials, and all kinds of anti-aging products? To keep their skin looking young and wrinkle-free.
Just a guess here, but I'm guessing from the comment you made here that you probably don't have a whole lot of close female friends. I have tons of them, and I get subjected to their womanly insecurities on a daily basis ad nauseum. There are two things most women are really self-conscious about, looking fat and looking older. Because young and thin is what the bulk of the quality guys go for.
I still say the reason women (and thus, men) don't like the male-pattern baldness (i.e., hair on the sides, no hair on the chrome) is the look.
I agree. But there's a reason why the look isn't appealing. It's not just an arbitrary thing.
When advertisers stop spending billions of dollars a year on advertising (I'm not exaggerating), then I'll say it's a conspiracy theory. But advertisers don't spend that amount of money for something that doesn't work. Advertising works! The person you quoted as describing how advertising operates is dead on the money. Advertisers first create the image we all need to buy into, then they sell us a product for it.
You've got the situation backwards, though. All the marketing in the world isn't going to sell a product that there's no demand for. The reason people buy into the advertising in the first place is because they were already unhappy with something in the current state of things or somehow saw the new product as a way to give them an edge. Pop culture is littered with products that were highly advertised that flopped on their asses due to lack of demand.
Somehow, our culture got it beat into our heads that male-pattern baldness is unattractive, undesireable. I'm merely trying to find out why.
Because you're looking in the wrong place. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/14/2009 3:12:27 PM | You could think that, but by and large you'd be wrong. Why do you think women spend so much money and effort on makeup, facials, and all kinds of anti-aging products? To keep their skin looking young and wrinkle-free.
First off, wrinkles are a level playing field. All women and all men at specific ages get wrinkles. All men, however, don't succumb to male-pattern baldness. But a great majority of men do. My curiosity is to find out why do men and women not like male-pattern baldness since it is such a frequent phenomena.
Now to really get at your question above, women in American society have a much tougher time getting older than men, which is why they spend all their time and money on anti-aging products, facials, and make-up. What's the saying? "Women grow old, men become distinguised."
As women grow older, they start looking more and more like men. (When I say older, I mean typically in their middle- to upper-60s.)
So the male-pattern baldness thing, I simply don't believe is due to an age thing. Now you and I agree that it's a look thing. You say it isn't arbitrary, and I agree, as well. And that, my friend, is what I'm trying to pin-point. I haven't found a satisfactory answer yet. What, exactly, is not to like about it? Why is it so ugly to so many? What is so wrong with it?
Pop culture is littered with products that were highly advertised that flopped on their asses due to lack of demand.
I agree. And it's due to the fact that the advertisers failed to establish a need for their product. They either failed to create a need on their own or they thought there was a need when it wasn't there.
Just a guess here, but I'm guessing from the comment you made here that you probably don't have a whole lot of close female friends.
Just for the record and for what it's worth, I do actually have a healthy amount of female friends. Not dating acquaintances, but actual friends.
All that said, I appreciate you taking the time to respond and provide feedback. You definitely made some interesting points. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/15/2009 3:40:34 PM |
First off, wrinkles are a level playing field. All women and all men at specific ages get wrinkles. All men, however, don't succumb to male-pattern baldness.
Whether or not everyone succumbs to them is irrelevant, though. They're both subconscious signals of someone being past their prime. Or at the very least not having optimal mating value.
We are not all created equal. We all have different peak attraction levels. Some of us peak earlier than others. Some of us also peak higher than others. Biologically, those whose attraction peaks are highest and last the longest are designated by nature to have better mating options. Their genes have been predetermined to be stronger and therefore higher in replication value. It's natural selection. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 6:16:33 AM | We are not all created equal. We all have different peak attraction levels. Some of us peak earlier than others. Some of us also peak higher than others. Biologically, those whose attraction peaks are highest and last the longest are designated by nature to have better mating options. Their genes have been predetermined to be stronger and therefore higher in replication value. It's natural selection.
This sort of sounds like a conspiracy theory. In today's society, natural selection is no longer valid. I mean, how do you account for young men attracted to older women (i.e., "cougars")? Or younger women attracted to older men?
Or if an older man is famous or is a CEO, how do you account for a young (very young) woman who is with one of these eldery gentleman? I've seen some rather famous CEOs with male-pattern baldness who are with some very young, model-like women.
It used to be if you had poor eyesight, you were naturally selected against for survival. But today, we have laser surgery and/or corrective eyewear.
So there have been all sorts of ways that people in today's society have eliminated any need for natural selection. Yet through it all, the look of men with male-pattern baldness is still frowned upon. For whatever reason, male-pattern baldness is a unique case. It's a seperate entity, if you will.
I think we agree that it has to do with the look. But why? What is it about that look? It would be one thing if it was a rarity. But it is so natural and common. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 6:34:53 AM |
I personally think that it's a HUGE turnoff. Besides, gentlemen, would you be able to overlook a woman who was balding or receding?
There are lots of options out there.
I wanna be somebody's first "option".  
You are not your hair.
Awww, Shyttt!!! That's about all I got!!
OP, I tried to give you a serious response early on, and emptied my clip there. I'm one of those who thinks (head) hair is stimulating, sexy, on a woman, although length is unimportant, e.g., always thought Jamie Lee Curtis was pretty damn cute. Hell, I even looked twice at the Star Trek woman who gets taken over by Veeger and returns to the "carbon units". But it is just a feature, not THE feature. Soooo, its dearth can be overcome. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 6:48:25 AM |
I personally think that it's a HUGE turnoff. Besides, gentlemen, would you be able to overlook a woman who was balding or receding?
There are lots of options out there.
The comparison to make of a woman balding is not valid because I think it's safe to say that -- for the most part -- it is a rarity when women lose hair. It's not common like for a man. Your analogy would be like saying, "Well, what if men had big, luscious breasts? Would you like that?"
When you see a woman with receding hair, your first thought is, "Oh, she must have a medical condition or something." Whereas for a man, you're just thinking, "He's got the male-pattern baldness going on." | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:52:54 AM | Ahh--it makes me look old. My hair grows like wildfire except that telltale solar panel on top and a slightly receding hairline on the sides.
I hate it. Would like to get a hair implant when funds allow. That or just shave the whole damn thing, Howie Mandel style. But my hair is so soft and beautiful that it'd be nice to have a full head of it again like when I was a teenager.
Maybe guys like Connery can make it work. But Connery's oozing confidence, even to the point of a king-sized ego (can you say King Richard in Robin Hood--"I will not allow this wedding to proceed!"). and has that killer instinct that was perfect for Bond. Maybe we should all aspire to that-! Given the opportunity to act in a movie, I would totally indulge my a--hole side. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 4:17:55 PM | Why, you ask?
<div class="quote">From what I observed the men who do shave their heads look younger then those who try to hang on to what is left of their hair.
I'd agree with that.
Some men would actually look better if they shaved it all off. Of course, it also depends on your genes, i.e. what your face looks like. Some men can pass of the balding and shave it really close and not have a problem, others can't do it.
I was never keen on men who only had "hat" pics too. If I had all hat pics and put my hair up hats, I'm pretty sure men would have asked me for other pics.
As for my personal preference, I don't mind receding and shaved, bald or hair, but comb overs or just hair on the sides and not on top? Ixnay. It makes me think of the 70's and I was a kid back then, so am I dating some 70's wannabe? The actual face of the person is what is going to pull me in. I might think one bald guy is attractive and another not. There might be two guys standing in front of, one bald, one not; I could easily find the bald or receding guy more attractive. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 5:23:54 PM |
would you date a bald woman???? pretty obvious...
Read my previous post to this comparison:
The comparison to make of a woman balding is not valid because I think it's safe to say that -- for the most part -- it is a rarity when women lose hair. It's not common like for a man. Your analogy would be like saying, "Well, what if men had big, luscious breasts? Would you like that?"
When you see a woman with receding hair, your first thought is, "Oh, she must have a medical condition or something." Whereas for a man, you're just thinking, "He's got the male-pattern baldness going on." | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:08:11 PM | | Valid point........Of course I miss my hair, it was BLONDE!!!! uggg...I was also trying to make a funny..Guess I missed the mark..I have seen balding women, first thought? Cancer,but they were moving too well and were in too good of health...So, you are very right..I would think medical condition and we men, just go bald..LOL | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:35:58 PM | You are a bit confused regarding the hormones that contribute to male baldness. It is not testosterone, rather it is caused by increased sensitivity to male sex hormones (androgens) in certain parts of the scalp, and is passed on from generation to generation.
In the past, baldness was often seen as something unfortunate or undesirable. However, this attitude has changed over the years and nowadays a clean-shaven head is usually considered both fashionable and attractive.
But we all set our sites on a particular standard regarding looks for what we want in a mate. Some women find bald men incredibly sexy, and others desire a man with a full head of hair, just like some men want slender women with long hair and full breasts, and others set their criteria on other assets. It boils down to what you are attracted to, and again, it's all a matter of preference . | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/17/2009 8:00:29 AM |
Some women find bald men incredibly sexy, and others desire a man with a full head of hair ...
Okay, once again, just to clarify. This is not a thread about chrome domes (i.e., men who are losing hair and decide to shave it all off). This is a thread about male-pattern baldness. I'm sure many women like the totally shaved head look, but that's not what this thread is aiming to discuss. This thread isn't about a full head of hair, and it isn't about a completely shaved head -- it's that in-between area, commonly known as male-pattern baldness (i.e., hair on the sides, but bald on top, or some variation of that).
If you were sticking to the topic, your statement should have said: "Some women find male-pattern baldness on men incredibly sexy, and others desire a man with a full head of hair."
Yet as we're finding out on this thread, that statement seems to be false, as women and men don't like the male-pattern baldness look.
Note: I'm not saying the above with venom to you, newyearsbaby52. It might sound that way, but I'm not. I'm simply clarifying what the thread is about. I don't want you to think I'm being nasty. This is just your basic light-hearted thread that is simply trying to get to the bottom of this little issue. Thanks, the management.
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/17/2009 11:16:11 PM | | I was just adding to the responses others sent. apparently some of them did not get it either. I am new to this, and I learn from mistakes. OK many men and women do not like male pattern baldness for a variety of reasons. Personal preference (many women do not find it sexy. And if they are close to the guys' age, it is a visible reminder that they, too, are aging as well) When I see guys with male pattern baldness, the first thing I think of my old great uncles. ( sorry guys, that visual is not a sexual turn on for me) Many guys do not like male pattern baldness, because it is a visible reminder that they are getting older, and think they are not as attractive to women as they once were. Many resort to shaving their heads because their baldness looks deliberate. And some some do look better. My response was mostly for the one guy that said testosterone caused male pattern baldness, and I was merely correcting him with the correct hormone that contributes to it. I hope this is one of the responses you are looking for, and if it isn't maybe I just don't understand the question. | |
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| Why don't men and women -- by and large -- like male-pattern baldness?
Posted: 7/18/2009 6:46:04 AM | I hope this is one of the responses you are looking for, and if it isn't maybe I just don't understand the question.
Now you're onto something, Newyearsbaby52! Thanks for the input.
The age thing about the male-pattern baldness has come up a few times now, so I will have to give that some more thought. Perhaps you and the others are right. What still doesn't have my totally convinced on that theory, though, is due to the following:
-- Most men with male-pattern baldness report that they started losing their hair in their late teens, early 20s. I don't have male-pattern baldness, but when I was in my early 20s, yes, I knew I wasn't a kid anymore, but I still was far, far removed from feeling like I was getting old.
-- Why aren't there more "cougars" in the world, then, if women are so concerned that by being with a guy with male-pattern baldness, it makes the woman feel their age? And what about a guy with a thick head of hair but who has wrinkles, is graying, and has crow's feet? I see plenty of women with these guys. And I'll even hear them say something like, "Oh, he looks distinguished."
So here're some thoughts of my own:
-- Men with male-pattern baldness, who decide to leave it, always typically have the same old haircut -- i.e., short around the sides (and obviously nothing on top). You never see any interesting cuts or styles. The few times I've seen a guy do something interesting with it (e.g., I've seen 'em in dreads, I've seen it long with a long beard, I saw a robot-cut where the guy made his strip of hair like a rectangle that went around his head), I actually thought, "Wow, if I ever go bald like that, I'm going to do that with my hair."
Men, how about doing something creative with your male-pattern baldness?! Go to a stylist and say, "I want something different, something creative, something out of the ordinary."
-- Advertisers/marketing departments had a hand in promoting a culture that adores men with full heads of hair. | |
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