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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 6/29/2009 8:38:43 AM | A few groups have done similar things, looking to bring back He-3. I believe the He-3 ideas are feasible financially. I believe bring back something like a tonne of rock for gram quantity souvenirs also comes close to breakeven.
For me, if someone is going to go to the Moon to bring back rocks or He-3, they are going to be leaving stuff behind as well. I would like them to leave behind parts, machines, ... made of very particular things: Cu, Ag, V, Sn and a handful of other elements. That way, when we try to set up a base on the Moon, we have a source of alloying elements to use with the Al, Ti and Fe we can find there now. The silver and copper are pretty easy to include as wire for electrical wiring. Vanadium can substitute for Fe in a few places. I have no idea what kind of component one would build out of Sn. I suppose something will come to mind eventually. | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 6/29/2009 8:43:16 AM |
That is so not fair 'themadfiddler', you totally stole my idea of plugging iron sky in an conspiracy moon base oriented thread.
In any case it'll be interesting to see just what's buried under that rocky surface, sure we got moon rocks but those are just from the surface, the stuff buried down 10 to 20 feet would probably be more along the lines of the moon's natural material instead of impact residue.
Full credit to you, you did do it first as I recall...but it was so good it had to be done again. Of course remember now if anyone else pinches your line they now have to be thrown under a lunar lander (apologies to Python crew) "Oh, you're no fun anymore" | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 6/29/2009 9:49:17 PM | well why???I WOULD DO IT TOO CREATE AN ADMOSPHERE THAT COULD SUPPORT NATURE.....JUSS M Y OPINION | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 6/29/2009 10:07:52 PM |
well why???I WOULD DO IT TOO CREATE AN ADMOSPHERE THAT COULD SUPPORT NATURE.....JUSS M Y OPINION Goddamn those **stards! I knew they were planning on bailing. Why the heck didn't they give me an invitation like they promised they would.  | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 6/30/2009 8:10:08 AM | Wonder if I got one of those tickets to the moon that National Geographic and Thomas Cook offered years ago. I wonder if they'd still honour it? Hmmm.... | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 6/30/2009 8:34:27 PM |
y'all are jerks. good luck finding any woman to love. think about it
You already said that. Is that the only "threat" you can come up with?
Though now that I think about it, the other woman in your picture is pretty cute. Is she available? | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 6/30/2009 8:47:26 PM | y'all are jerks. good luck finding any woman to love. think about it
Um, sure...petulant much?
But, in answer to your original post, let's synopsize. No, they're not actually "bombing" the moon. They're impacting something onto it. There's been a few of these impacters. Aim is to excavate material so that it can be spectrally analyzed by the LRO orbiter and ground-based telescopes.
As for NASA's budget, it is actually stunningly small compared to what is spent elsewhere, say, the War in Iraq? In fact, they could have gone to Mars, come back and gone again with the money that's been spent there.
Finally, what do you think they're trying to do? Attack an alien base? Blow up the Monolith? What?
And, I will repeat what I said in an earlier post about aliens mining the moon. Why even bother making the trip? They're more than likely to find the resources they need a lot closer to home.
I repeat: Very poor choice in words by the headline and story writers in the Telegraph story. | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/2/2009 1:11:26 AM | | You have to admit that the idea of being the first to bomb the moon is pretty awesome! | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/2/2009 8:01:36 AM | | I think it has been done before. Different areas would have different "signatures" to them...so a series of impacts would produce the most information. | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/2/2009 10:02:15 AM | This thread deserves a story from the past.
US planned one big nuclear blast for mankind The US Air Force developed a top-secret plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the moon as a display of military might at the height of the Cold War.
In an exclusive interview with The Observer, Dr Leonard Reiffel, 73, the physicist who fronted the project in the late Fifties at the US military-backed Armour Research Foundation, revealed America's extraordinary lunar plan.
'It was clear the main aim of the proposed detonation was a PR exercise and a show of one-upmanship. The Air Force wanted a mushroom cloud so large it would be visible on earth,' he said yesterday. 'The US was lagging behind in the space race.'
'The explosion would obviously be best on the dark side of the moon and the theory was that if the bomb exploded on the edge of the moon, the mushroom cloud would be illuminated by the sun.' The bomb would have been at least as large as the one used on Hiroshima at the end of World War II.
'I made it clear at the time there would be a huge cost to science of destroying a pristine lunar environment, but the US Air Force were mainly concerned about how the nuclear explosion would play on earth,' said Reiffel.
Although he believes the blast would have had little environmental impact on Earth, its crater may have ruined the face of the 'man in the moon'.
Reiffel would not reveal how the explosion would have taken place. But he confirmed it was 'certainly technically feasible' and that at the time an intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile would have been capable of hitting a target on the moon with an accuracy of within two miles.
Reiffel was approached by senior US Air Force officers in 1958, who asked him to 'fast-track' a project to investigate the visibility and effects of a nuclear explosion on the moon. The top-secret Project A119, was entitled 'A Study of Lunar Research Flights'.
'Had the project been made public there would have been an outcry,' said Reiffel.
Many Cold War documents are still classified in the US, but details of Project A119 emerged after a biography of celebrated US scientist and astronomer Carl Sagan was published there last year.
Sagan, who died in 1996, was famous for popularising science in the US and pioneering the study of potential life on other planets. At the Armour Foundation in Chicago - now called the Illinois Institute of Technology Research - he was hired by Reiffel to undertake mathematical modelling on the expansion of an exploding dust cloud in the space around the moon. This was key to calculating the visibility of such a cloud from the Earth.
At the time scientists still believed there might be microbial life on the moon and Sagan had suggested a nuclear explosion might be used to detect organisms.
Despite the highly classified nature of the work, Sagan's biographer, Keay Davidson, discovered that he had disclosed details of it when he applied for the prestigious Miller Institute graduate fellowship to Berkeley.
Yet, until today, the full nature of Project A119 has never been revealed. Friends of Sagan believe he never would have wilfully revealed classified information, but Reiffel has come forward to put the 'historical record straight'.
Reiffel continued: 'It was well known that the existence of this project was top secret. Had Sagan wanted to make any disclosures to any party, as his boss at the time, I would have had to take forward any such request and Air Force permission would have been extremely unlikely in those very tense times.'
In a letter to the science magazine Nature, Reiffel said: 'Fortunately for the future of lunar science, a one or two horse race to detonate a nuclear explosion never occurred. But in my opinion Sagan breached security in March, 1959.'
Reiffel produced eight reports between May 1958 and January 1959 on the feasibility of the plan, all of which were destroyed in 1987 by the foundation. Reiffel would not discuss details of these reports, believing they were still classified, but it was clear the conclusion was that the explosion would have been visible from Earth
He does not know why the plans were scrapped, but said: 'Thankfully, the thinking changed. I am horrified that such a gesture to sway public opinion was ever considered.'
Dr David Lowry, a British nuclear historian, said: 'It is obscene. To think that the first contact human beings would have had with another world would have been to explode a nuclear bomb. Had they gone ahead, we would never have had the romantic image of Neil Armstrong taking "one giant step for mankind".'
Lowry believes Project A119 has relevance today with the US proposing a missile defence system in space. He said: 'The US has always wanted to militarise space and some of the fanciful ideas currently being put forward will seem as incredible as the idea of nuking the moon in the Fifties seems today.'
A Pentagon spokesman would not confirm or deny the plans. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2000/may/14/spaceexploration.theobserver | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/2/2009 1:13:26 PM | exactly.......the earths supply of naturally occuring He-3 would proudly fill a 5 gallon bucket half full...........if we could find al of it....theres evidence that theres a fair amount on the moon.......among other uses ...He-3 is nessairy for the construction of anti-matter and for containment purposes according to science........1 lb of properly contained anti-matter could supply the world with electricity | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/2/2009 8:23:18 PM | Could just wait 10 to 50 thousand years for a suitable asteroid impact -- but maybe a suitable asteroid will find us by that time too -- so the experiment wouldn't have any observers left to make notes.
A pound of anti-matter could have a greater effect than powering electric toasters and ACs -- last time I checked the use of anti-matter as a practical fuel source was not quite off the drawing board. | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/3/2009 9:51:47 AM | | if you think about it....Sending bombs into outer space would be a sure fire way to find out if there is any intelligent life out there, everyone unterstands the international language of ka-boom,lol | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/3/2009 10:42:13 AM | With the gov. attitude towards secrecy it may be that some things are needed to deal with things that we know nothing about. if there were an alien base there, with hostile intent, then bombing it IN ANY ECONOMY is a necessary evil. If for no other reason than a technology capable of traveling from what we think is the neares inhabitable planet would make us look like stone age man.  | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/3/2009 10:45:34 AM | | Okay, if the concern is that the "bomb" is intended to blast an alien base, might I point out that the impact won't take place until October. That would give said aliens ample opportunity to launch countermeasures, dontcha think? | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/3/2009 10:51:51 AM | yep, truth to tell if the bombing of the moon is being done i would imagine it is most likely actually being done to develop a new weapon and show the world what it can do. similar to truman bombing japan to show the russians we were not to be messed with! | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/3/2009 11:18:09 AM | | As an employee of one of the companies providing technology for the LCROSS mission, I can safely say that there's no "bomb" going to the moon. However, anything reasonably large, travelling at 3000km/s, will generate quite a crater and send up quite a plume of debris when it bumps into something else. That is what this mission aims to do. | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/15/2009 10:31:42 AM | No one owns the F*!king moon. It belongs to everyone and the world, and our children... WTF?!?! Really, who do they think they are?! aliens or no aliens- STAY AWAY FROM THE MOON!! For christ's sake people, you should be OUTRAGED!!
But hey, if everyone is cool with everyone dying then ya, lets have at 'er! Maybe we could have a planet-wide vote first though? Personally, I like having life on Earth... | |
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| NASA to bomb the moon-why? Posted: 7/15/2009 12:09:27 PM | ^^^^ Hold on, my panties are in a bunch... ok that feels better
Actually I agree with Cyke... this moon operation sounds fine, we've done it before on the moon (apparently causing it to ring like a 'hollow bell') as well as with various comets. We closly monitored jupiter when a comet did pretty much the same thing a few years ago.
I agree that we should have legislation protecting the environment of the moon (and resources) but this particular expiriment seems moderate and of paticular timing and importance (we are afterall considering building a base there). | |
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