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 jon6357

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Posted: 7/2/2009 7:15:25 PM
Yes it is.

I truly believe the concept of government is evil & immoral. An institution that's historically built & created on force cannot be used for good no matter how the government rationalizes it. Governments since their creation will always have bloodshed on their hands.
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/3/2009 12:16:44 AM

Humans are not a loving species - no species is.


I'll be the first to admit that our genetic programming is not far removed from monkeys, who spend much of their day hurling feces at each other (not the greatest family heritage). I would contend though, that humans are smart enough to overcome their programming, whether genetic, or societal and finally become a rational species that can save itself from self-destruction.


Success as a species requires a degree of selfishness


Erroneous assumption. There are many species that function altruistically by their very nature.


in a utopian society, those whose glasses are the deepest shade of pink will be the most taken-advantage of.


A utopian society would assume that human nature dictates that less rational/intelligent beings will seek power and hegemony over their fellows and attempt to take an unfair share of resources. At the level of the individual, this can easily be prevented by law and the courts. At the level of nations, it only becomes a matter of assuming some greedy ba$tard will sooner or later try to take power and possibly launch a war of conquest. Consequently, nations (if they still exist) will watch each other for such signs and act as required, though, because the mechanisms of world law would be in place everywhere, I'd say it would be just about impossible for another Hitler to ever take power anywhere. If one ever did, he would probably be dealt with in the same way that existing governments will soon be dealt with. If it is done succesfully once, we will know that it works and can be done again, long before it reaches the point of militarization.


It is also human nature to be lazy


Another erroneous assumption. Laziness is a quality of an overly powerful, decadent society or individual. A utopian society would not have many (if any) "lazy" people.


Why produce what you can take what someone else has produced?


Why "take" anything? It would be given to you if you need it (guaranteed subsistence by right to life). If you wanted say, a big screen TV, that's another matter. Why should you get one instead of your neighbour? After all, we don't have 6 billion of them to give out. Have you worked enough for the necessary credit in your account to obtain one?


The vast majority won't involve themselves in understanding complex issues prior to voting


Who cares? Human rights and the structure of society won't be the stuff voted on. There will only be votes on things like how much to spend on medical care and schools, or whether new roads should be built, etc. If only the people who care turn out to vote, what's the harm? The law of the land will take care of most of the issues we currently vote on and no democracy can vote to change the law (call it a grand constitution that enshrines human rights).


We're better off without more ignorant votes, though we could stand for more informed ones.


I believe that has already been addressed in that a utopian society would stress education for everyone.

Oh yeah...I forgot the best part of Utopia...FREE BOOZE!!
 mayanbeing

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Posted: 7/3/2009 12:32:08 AM
Great thread, good to know that people are awake and informed. Another forum I frequent illustrates how people are protesting and demonstrating to bring attention to the masses about the decline of our world, politics etc. but so many people just don't want to know, safe in their undisturbed havens! I only hope 1984 doesn't become a reality for our grandchildren.

My knowledge is limited, but from my observations, many people are disgruntled but even more are uninterested about where we are headed.
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/3/2009 12:58:22 AM

I only hope 1984 doesn't become a reality for our grandchildren.


Too late. It's a reality for us now, and we've been living in it since long before 1984. People who don't already know that must have taken the blue pill.
 --Brightspark--

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Posted: 7/3/2009 1:23:05 AM
Cue the matrix soundtrack..
 ANewLife14

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Posted: 7/3/2009 2:19:07 PM
A world revolution is needed to continue the path to a world government. It will not happen overnight.

How do I sum this up? We will most likely lose, we as in freedom loving people. We will lose because we will be tricked again. Our nations must be destroyed to form larger blocks (Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia) for example.

The U.S. along with Airstrip One (Oceania) supported invading Iraq while France, Russia (Eurasia) & China (Eastasia) were upset & opposed. Stay with me now, This caspian region (Iran) is not only vital to control, it's also vital to deny others & to create artificial scarsity of resources once under an empires control. Operation Ajax worked, Oceania had Iran, then lost it in 1979, now Oceania is trying to take it back, we have them surrounded, get it?

Now Orwell's vision only work's so much, it's Huxley who's right for the long term.

For a North American Union to work, we need to destroy the parts that are now outdated, you know like the FED. This article is interesting, which group are you?

http://www.infowars.com/the-new-world-order-wants-the-new-world-order-to-fail-order-out-of-attacking-the-new-world-order/

Man I really really hope I'm wrong!
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/3/2009 2:31:36 PM

which group are you?


Do I have to belong to one? Why can't I just turn my back on the whole NWO business? You realize if we all did that their power would simply evaporate. Without our cooperation (either willing or unwitting) they will have no power at all. All we have to do to beat the NWO is stop listening to their lies & playing their game.
 ANewLife14

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Posted: 7/3/2009 2:42:51 PM
so group 3, good. I just hope others aren't being sucked into group 2.
 ANewLife14

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Posted: 7/3/2009 4:08:42 PM
Look, right now, a Fox news program exposing the "truth" about the Illuminati, LOL

http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/4/2009 8:09:33 AM

All we have to do to beat the NWO is stop listening to their lies & playing their game.


We also have to know who they really are, but that's easy; they are the governments and men behind the governments all over the world, and they are consolidating their power. We'll have to defeat them quickly if we are to avoid a lot of bloodshed.
 jon6357

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Posted: 7/8/2009 8:37:15 PM
It's really a fight against power structures, nothing new in humankind. The only way to win is to take life into your own hands. Powerful people are parasites, they need to feed on a host to stay up there. They're only as powerful as you enable them to be.
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/8/2009 8:39:41 PM
Powerful people are parasites, they need to feed on a host to stay up there. They're only as powerful as you enable them to be.

Bingo!! You're right on the mark. All we have to do to defeat them is to turn our backs on them and refuse to have any dealings with them.
 membrane

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Posted: 7/8/2009 9:42:11 PM
yes, a revolution is comeing, some can feel it, some know it.... and others.. are oblivious to it... but we have hit pinical point, a cusp as you might say... old ideals conflicting with the new, are mode of life is simply unstastainable... we either change or die... soo its inevatable... some time in the ever nearer future... there is gong to be a massive shift in the human conciousness... wiether is a new light or simply lights off... change is coming
 bugsbro

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Posted: 7/8/2009 10:57:02 PM
a major upheaval is inevitable. overpopulation is going to be the stimulus for ww3. if you peruse third world population estimates for the planet in 2050 you will see that somethings got to give. nigeria will have more people than the whole continent did in 1950. the arab countries will be mostly out of oil with 50% more people to feed. india,pakistan and banglabesh will have more people than the whole world did pre-ww2. the staggering influx into canada and the us from the third world will tax our over-production capabilities. 18th century cultures in a 21st century world are already leading to disaster. personal projections give me a death total of well over 1 trillion without nukes. it's not a matter if but when if the world attitude doesn't change.
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/8/2009 11:49:32 PM

personal projections give me a death total of well over 1 trillion without nukes


You realize I hope, that a number that large is at least an order of magnitude (and probably two) greater than the planet could possibly support and even given that the rampant rate of growth could continue (which it couldn't), it represents a population level we wouldn't reach for a hundred years. How did you come to project a figure like that?
 LeCutter

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Posted: 7/9/2009 1:54:12 AM
Here are two truisms.

Change isn't permanent, but change is.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

People have short memories, and they prefer to be led.

Terry Prattchet said it best in his book, 'Guards Guards.'


He stalked away through the ruined palace, Vimes trailing behind, until he reached the Oblong Office. It was quite tidy. It had escaped most of the devastation with nothing more than a layer of dust. The Patrician sat down, and suddenly it was as if he'd never left. Vimes wondered if he ever had.
He picked up a sheaf of papers and brushed the plaster off them.
'Sad,' he said. 'Lupine was such a tidy-minded man.'
'Yes, sir.'
The Patrician steepled his hands and looked at Vimes over the top of them.
'Let me give you some advice, Captain,' he said.
'Yes, sir?'
'It may help you make some sense of the world.'
'Sir.'
'I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people,' said the man. 'You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.'
He waved his thin hand towards the city and walked over to the window.
'A great rolling sea of evil,' he said, almost proprietorially. 'Shallower in some places, of course, but deeper, oh, so much deeper in others. But people like you put together little rafts of rules and vaguely good intentions and say, this is the opposite, this will triumph in the end. Amazing!' He slapped Vimes good-naturedly on the back.
'Down there,' he said, 'are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any iniquity. All out of a kind of humdrum, everyday badness. Not the really high, creative loathsomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes, but because they don't say no. I'm sorry if this offends you,' he added, patting the captain's shoulder, 'but you fellows really need us.'
'Yes, sir?' said Vimes quietly.
'Oh, yes. We're the only ones who know how to make things work. You see, the only thing the good people are good at is overthrowing the bad people. And you're good at that, I'll grant you. But the trouble is that it's the only thing you're good at. One day it's the ringing of the bells and the casting down of the evil tyrant, and the next it's everyone sitting around complaining that ever since the tyrant was overthrown no-one's been taking out the trash. Because the bad people know how to plan. It's part of the specification, you might say. Every evil tyrant has a plan to rule the world. The good people don't seem to have the knack.'
'Maybe. But you're wrong about the rest!' said Vimes. 'It's just because people are afraid, and alone—' He paused. It sounded pretty hollow, even to him.
He shrugged. 'They're just people,' he said. 'They're just doing what people do. Sir.'
Lord Vetinari gave him a friendly smile.
'Of course, of course,' he said. 'You have to believe that, I appreciate. Otherwise you'd go quite mad. Otherwise you'd think you're standing on a feather-thin bridge over the vaults of Hell. Otherwise existence would be a dark agony and the only hope would be that there is no life after death. I quite understand.' He looked at his desk, and sighed. 'And now,' he said, 'there is such a lot to do. I'm afraid poor Wonse was a good servant but an inefficient master. So you may go. Have a good night's sleep. Oh, and do bring your men in tomorrow. The city must show its gratitude.'
'It must what?' said Vimes.
The Patrician looked at a scroll. Already his voice was back to the distant tones of one who organizes and plans and controls.
'Its gratitude,' he said. 'After every triumphant victory there must be heroes. It is essential. Then everyone will know that everything has been done properly.'
He glanced at Vimes over the top of the scroll.
'It's all part of the natural order of things,' he said.
After a while he made a few pencil annotations to the paper in front of him and looked up.
'I said,' he said, 'that you may go.'
Vimes paused at the door.
'Do you believe all that, sir?' he said. 'About the endless evil and the sheer blackness?'
'Indeed, indeed,' said the Patrician, turning over the page. 'It is the only logical conclusion.'
'But you get out of bed every morning, sir?'
'Hmm? Yes? What is your point?'
'I'd just like to know why, sir.'
'Oh, do go away, Vimes. There's a good fellow.'
 Mojo4Free

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Posted: 7/9/2009 6:31:12 AM
Maybe it's time we started trying to answer it, secure in the knowledge that even one man has the power to change the world. All it takes is some courage.
Not for me. All it would take is a viable alternative. As much as The Venus Project appeals to me, I doubt that would ever happen. The only thing I can think of is to jail (or execute) the corrupt.


Bingo!! You're right on the mark. All we have to do to defeat them is to turn our backs on them and refuse to have any dealings with them.
Turning our back on them and not participating is not an option. We'd starve or get killed. It would have to be a quick and desicive blow. Cut the head off the snake. If a lieutenant steps in to take their place, cut that one off too. It would have to be ruthless and cruel in the extreme. I don't see that happening unless the house of cards falls completely.

But I think we can expect another world war if the economic "fix" they put in place doesn't work out and we end up with 50% inflation. The mountain of money they put into circulation has to get it's value from somewhere right?


The speech that got John F. Kennedy Killed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/9/2009 7:46:08 AM

All it would take is a viable alternative.

That alternative exists (and I'm not talking about the Venus Project)


The only thing I can think of is to jail (or execute) the corrupt.

I used to think so too, until I realized that it probably isn't necessary. They can't take what we don't give them. If we stop giving them the authority to take what we produce, they will lose the ability to take because they will have no power over us.
If they try (as a last ditch attempt to preserve their power) force against us, then we will have the right to defend ourselves, and it could get pretty ugly, but I suspect that it could not be done without an army, and what army wants to shoot its parents, children, brothers and sisters? No, I suspect the army would take the side of the people, which would be the very end of any corrupt regime.


Turning our back on them and not participating is not an option. We'd starve or get killed.

Only if we did it as individuals; if we did it as a complete society, it would simply be a matter of excluding them from participation in our society by the rules of theirs.


I think we can expect another world war if the economic "fix" they put in place doesn't work out and we end up with 50% inflation

We would have had that already if the original plan had gone thru. I suspect it had to be drastically modified to ward off a civil third world war by installing leaders in government who would placate the people with fancy words and a false sense of hope. We have to realize that hope for change lies in our hands, not in the hands of whatever leader we elect in a corrupt & rigged system.

Kennedy was killed because he wanted to print greenbacks & abolish the FED and because he and Khrushchev wanted to end the cold war (which would have ended the "enemy" principle that united both societies against each other to keep the people of both sides fearful of the other side and would (of course) bring the military/industrial gravy train to a screeching halt.)

Kennedy was a member of the elite and turned on it (it had already turned on him) for the sake of the people. Don't think he didn't know what might happen. I'm sure it was a sacrifice he made willingly for all our sakes, which makes him a martyr of humanity and a man of great courage. His death does teach some important lessons though; firstly that the man you vote for isn't really in charge; secondly, that real change will not be top down, but from the bottom up; thirdly that not all members of the elite are filthy grasping thieves & monsters, only powerless as long as we think ourselves helpless and live in despair and without the courage to sacrifice for the sake of humanity.

So lighten up and be of good cheer; not only is peaceful revolution possible, but inevitable. When the time comes, we will find powerful allies turning up all over the place. The current regimes will not end with a bang; they will not end with a whimper; they will simply vanish, to be replaced with a better world. All we have to do realize it's possible and work toward it.
 Mojo4Free

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Posted: 7/10/2009 8:29:16 AM

I suspect that it could not be done without an army, and what army wants to shoot its parents, children, brothers and sisters? No, I suspect the army would take the side of the people, which would be the very end of any corrupt regime.
I wish I could agree. That's exactly what everyone said about the PEOPLE's army when they were called out to Tienanmen Square. We've seen it happen in other places as well. More recently in Iran. I mean how can people (soldiers and cops) do that? There's a psychological reason for it that is being exploited I'm sure (any psych nerds in here?).

I agree that simply putting them on the street with a beggars cup would be much more satisfying.

If they use the law to legitimize their actions, it would be impossible for police to not enforce it, and if they couldn't, the army would be called in.

I'll pass on the good cheer when it come to this. Do you remember the McCarthy era? Or Flower Power and what happened during the sixties with the Vietnam war protests? Politics is a blood sport and the government's main job is to maintain power. AT ALL COST. Hence my take on the ruthless nature of revolution in western, or any country for that matter. It would be a "winner take all" scenario and blood would flow on the streets. Pierre Trudeau's move to invoke the war measures act and put the army on the streets of Quebec during the FLQ crisis was accepted because the people wanted the army for protection and to put the terrorists down. And that was put in place because of a single demand -"We want to Separate". A reporter asked Trudeau "How far are you willing to go?" "Just watch me" he said. It's called a Samson complex. They'll try to take us all with them if they go down.

What would happen if the army went out on the streets and the people didn't want them there?? That, my fellow canuk, is a place you wouldn't find Good Cheer.
 JustDukky

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Posted: 7/10/2009 8:49:58 AM
What would happen if the army went out on the streets and the people didn't want them there?


A point well taken. Our survival would then depend on the conscience of each individual soldier, who would then have to decide between following orders (which he is trained to do, almost as a reflex), or turning on the people he originally thought he was defending. While I have little doubt the army would fracture into two camps, I have no idea which "half" would be the larger. With any luck though, between a people fighting for justice and the dissenters in the armed forces, I suspect that the people would eventually win and earn again the right to breathe free air...at the cost of much blood...as has always been the case in the past.

Why don't we move sooner rather than later to denounce illegitimate authority and grow our own society (with its own laws - not subject to unlawful, unjust statutes) before it comes to that? A revolution is inevitable, but a peaceful one is still possible. Why don't we work for that (but keep our powder dry just in case)?

The revolution is still going on in China. It lives in the hearts and minds of its people and will eventually change the Chinese system of government, if not overthrow it altogether. That picture of one little man standing in front of a tank in defiance is burned into my brain as the very Icon of right against might (and please note that the soldier in the tank doesn't know what to do). Every living soul should have that sort of courage because if they did, there would be no need for one lone little man to face a tank. The tank would turn away, humbled and bent in service to the people really in charge - the people themselves.

Gandhi was eventually bumped off. I have no doubt that it was a revenge killing and that he is a great martyr; nor do I doubt that he was unaware of the danger, but humbly accepted the risk, happy to give his life in the name of justice and freedom from oppression. However he died, he lives in my mind as one lone little man with a walking stick and a loin cloth...who defeated the mightiest empire on Earth! -- and he did it without firing a shot!
 Mojo4Free

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I also agree that the army could fracture. Durring the last quebec referendum, the Quebec minister of (I forget), send letter to Armed forces members with Quebec addresses a letter telling them to return home if the "Oui" vote came out on top, because they would need them! People called for him to be charge with discension. Of course they didn't do that, but it was suggested. How many would have gone? I suspect that the instant someone would start packing their bags, they would have been shot next to their bunk for disertion, treason, or simply out of anger. People think that we can't have a revolution in Canada, or the US which is now starting to see a serious sucession movement of their own, but they're wrong. And it would most likely be violent and come overnight.

February of 2007 found that 13 per cent of the Vermont’s residents came right out and said “it would be a good idea for Vermont to secede from the United States and become once again an independent republic as it was from 1777 to 1791.” 13 per cent translates to 64,400 people of voting age, and that’s enough to make the politicians in the state house to sit up. And there are 18 other states with particularly strong showings in Hawaii, Alaska, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and New Hampshire.


Why don't we work for that (but keep our powder dry just in case)?
I can do that and so would most people. People are more apt to ask someone to step down before they slap them. lol
 driven2think

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Posted: 7/10/2009 12:09:11 PM

Christian Prophesy that aligns with the Bible says that the USA will pass religious laws forcing people to worship on one day and to work for their means the other six.. prophesy further predicts that the ~"whole world will worship the beast"~... not meaning every person in the whole world but that the world as a whole will buy into this form of government rule.... ~ "no one will be able to buy and sell without receiving the mark of the beast"~... the hand and the forehead in the Bible always refers to believing and acting on....based on the fact that I trust in The Bible, I do believe that things will happen on a global scale, I will even say that the Bible predicts that the whole world will unite under one banner.... of course the Bible predicts this banner to be lead by satan under the guise of Christianty when in fact it a plot to persecute Gods True Followers ... we have seen persecution on very large scales several times in history.. Roman destruction of Christians in arenas of death, burning at the stake for Christians in the Dark Ages and the more recent holocaust of Jewish people during Hitlers rein of terror... the bible writes ~"and the devil went out to make war against the remnant of her seed"~ remnant means a piece of the original cloth, not a counterfeit remake but that is for another thread.... I say yes to a global reaction....


The problem with looking to an unproved ancient book for all your signs & answers is that people then are anxious to both see prophesy and try to make it happen. There are many end-times folks who'd find a silver lining if New York & Los Angeles were wiped out by nulear bombs because it's a heart-warming signal to them jesus is coming any day now!
 vapeninsula

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Posted: 7/10/2009 6:34:51 PM

Over the past few years the concept of politics has been troubling me.

Why do we really need to elect a group of beaurocrats that upon advertisement, we think closest interpret our thoughts onto statutes and laws?

Why can't I vote on what effects me directly? An argument from someone could be that due to other commitments and time, they would prefer someone else to make those important choices for them, but I am still left begging the question what about me? What about my choices on each and every issue that concerns me?

At first I would doubt my argument by classing it as selfish, but the more I think about it, the more I understand that the disillusionment is amongst nearly everybody I meet. The inherent struggle I would describe as utopia and collective freedom vs. dystopia and superfluous freedom; imposed choices by a few.

The last thing I would prescribe is to riot for your freedom, as through past the the term of instability it would most definitely cause, at best the vacuum of power would only bring forward a different set of disguises. Things must evolve via current local constitutional rules.

When you think something is wrong or not quite right, do you not act on it to make the correction?

"One day one will be many, and everyone will stand up and offer people true freedom, they will dispense with choices imposed by the few."(...sir, would you like any pickle with your cheese?)

Why can't we not only vote on each law, but even collectively dictate the law to be debated by secure encrypted e-mail? Why not by phone or text?

I think therefore I am? No, I think, I act, I make decisions, I choose; therefore I am.

I am not a socialist, not a conservative or of middle way, I am an individual and so are the other 6,763,556,999 people on this globe. Stand up and defend your right of being, of collective choice...think, act, decide, choose....live

With time, is a worldwide revolution inevitable ? We are ever increasingly collectively uprising against many forms of oppression... will we ever see an uprise against politics itself?

A simplified version of the above would be:
If politics is an oppression, and all oppressions have eventually lead to revolution, how long will it be before we experience a true political revolution?

The Founder of the United States studied all that and found that history proved that pure democracy doesn't work. They setup a republican form of government in which the people would send representatives to speak on their behalf. As one of the youngest countries on earth, we have one of the oldest governments on earth. List the countries that you know of that have had the same government for 240 years? Good luck.
 denizsky

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The Founder of the United States studied all that and found that history proved that pure democracy doesn't work. They setup a republican form of government in which the people would send representatives to speak on their behalf. As one of the youngest countries on earth, we have one of the oldest governments on earth. List the countries that you know of that have had the same government for 240 years? Good luck.


Oh how they have brainwashed you at school with disinformation... Please don't take it personally, but it's not only your country that have done this. Nationalism is common throughout the world. I compare it to a child saying "daddy is the strongest, cleverest, bestest daddy in the world," (cute). Daddy is actually a part of a gentlemens club who just want's to look like he's everybody's daddy in order to keep profit, power and control for his friends that have taken him in and provided for him.

In essence what your saying is:
Daddy is the oldest, daddy is the youngest, daddy is 240 years old, daddy is the greatest, daddy says real democracy doesn't work...

Firstly...
Please present the proof that pure democracy doesn't work....tell me if i'm wrong but Madison's exact phrase was "A pure democracy can admit no cure to the mischiefs of faction.” It only means James Madison thinks a truly fair democracy does not get rid of the problems that come with politics. It is subjective. Proof is objective.

Secondly.... Age
USA 240 years
Ottoman Empire 700 years
The British 800 years
Roman Empire 1500 years

I wonder how long your country will last? Anyone got the odds?

My post is refering to a worldwide revolution, one country, whatever it's size, age, race or creed is insignificant unless of course your trapped inside the disinformation bubble. Just like the Germans were under Nazi rule. Or the Russians and Americans were in the cold war. Do you think the groups that were pulling the puppet strings in post world war II ever dissapeared? They got stronger, "where there is war there is diversionary opportunity for those that live in the shadows" (I would love to say it was a quote but i unfortunately just made up this cheesy line.)

Chin up, its not just America, we are all in the same boat across the world... I'm just trying to figure out how we can all say stop! without bringing in another rival shadow group.

Human civilisation 10,000 years young
The Earth 4.5 Billion years old
I think it probably right that we take care of our elders.
I think saving the Earth will be the key for unity. Although the shadows thrive on our selfishness we will soon learn to respect the Earth. Maybe if we spent more time and money on worshiping our closest physically tangable thing to a god, the Earth from which we came, things would be different.

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Is a world revolution inevitable ?
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:18:49 AM
The republican form of government we have now was designed to fold into it the best part of the three types of government that can exist: rule by one, rule by the chosen few or rule by all. We all know the problems of rule by one. if the one is crazy or when they die then problems of passing power exist. they can get the trains to run on time but at what cost? rule by the chosen few is great for the chosen few and their supporters. they are more flexible than the rule by one but still, historically speaking in any event, leave large blocks of people as little better than serfs with no voice in anything. rule by all does have the advantage of leaving out no one. however it tends to run high with emotion and can lead to mob mentality. while many who favor rule by all are good people and would be responsible the usual result of rule by all, in large groups anyway, is one leader takes control of enough to gain control and the cycle begins again. if we use the idea of limited government designed in the constitution, put real teeth into ethics laws and regulation of the powerful (as well as protection of things like kids, food and the environment) we can build a good republican form of goernment. the guys who wrote the constitution did not intend for one party to rule or for party loyalty to be more important than service to country. they did not even want a permenant civil service (let alone elected offical) class (other than supreme court justices) unfortunately we have lost our way since the days of Tricky****and as long as we continue to pull for our "rights" without acknowleging the responsibility that comes with living in a group we are headed for problems of the type we have seen developing since Nam.
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