| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:26:07 PM |
Have you seen the pictures of the "snowflake" trees on Mars? Awesome stuff. Life inside an iceball? Possibly.
May have more to do with outgassing blowing dark material out onto lighter regolith. Not so much to do with actual "trees." However, if they do find out they are created by some kind of living creature, you can bet there'll be handsprings, hassaws and calls for more funding...and they'll get it.
Oh yeah, it will hit every newspaper in the world. It won't be suppressed. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:33:11 PM | ^^
The space program is by far the greatest acheivement of JFK and the human race. This planet isn't going to sustain life forever. The race need options, or it will decay into oblivion. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:42:55 PM | Back to the crop circles: Not all crop circles are just circles. There have been many more intricate designs but they do all seem to be symmetrical.
Yes, I agree that some of the crop circles that are literally circles could have been made as one person described earlier. But, those that are more intricate?
I have no idea what or who made them, but it's fun to think about...
Also, don't you think that if they were made by people, their ego would eventually take over and they'd want credit? | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:46:25 PM |
Also, don't you think that if they were made by people, their ego would eventually take over and they'd want credit?
As Rhino was kind enought to post earlier: http://circlemakers.org/ | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:52:39 PM | | i could be wrong, but i once heard... on the internet of cource, that crop circles are created by the energys of mother earth... she is a living spirt as we are... in a sence.. but at the same time, something totaly diffrent, but neadless to say.. crop cirlces are her way of comunicating to us... we just dont understand.. to disconected from everything, aleanated you might say.... but the basic forcast is saying.. stop hurting me, i dont wanna cleance myself, but i will in order to save myself... meaning.... a controled mass exstiction in order to presearve the right to future life, but hey what do i know | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 8:56:12 PM | Which is why, membrane, you can't believe everything you read on the internet. After all, life has been on this planet for 3 billion years and will continue long after our little evolutionary branch of really smart apes is long gone.
Besides, if Mother Earth wanted to communicate with one of her own creations, don't you think it would be some way a little more...clear? | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 9:34:14 PM | | i know that... you misunderstand, or i dident explain properly... mother earth would wipe us off, most life of and start at point zero again... and she is comunicating... watch the weather, watch plate techtonics, watch evrything, things are changeing... and if you cant feel it... maybe im insian, or maybe your ignorant, not harm intended... but, i dont know.. just a theroy.... and i dident read it, i was told it by an "insaine" woman who disapierd, my guess... suiside... but who knows | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 9:35:42 PM | What 2hi-iq-4u is talking about is called emergence, it's where you have a group following incredibly simple rules but forming very complex behaviors, like the V shape some birds fly in, they aren't trying to do that it's just arising from 2 or 3 simple rules. Emergence on that scale from such a small source is kind of hard to believe though.
The formation of coral reef shapes isn't due to intelligence, it's called Diffusion-Limited Aggregation. Those organisms float at the mercy of the current until they hit something they can stick to, the reefs form because the currents converge at those points for a long enough period or regular enough interval for them to form. Much the same happens with skin cell patterns, climbing/hanging vines, snow deposit and flake formation, rock erosion, early stages of planet formation, and high voltage discharge in a gas medium (path of least resistance, DLA in reverse). It's one of my favorite experiments to do on a computer, drop a couple seeds and randomly plop down pixels giving them a path following simple gravity equations to the seeds.
As far as man made, there are some massive pictures done by our ancestors with incredible precision using a nearly instinctual understanding of geometry, they easily dwarf even large crop circles. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 9:38:46 PM | | 2hi-iq-4u, I only suggested that your prevailing theory was not my cup of tea... Then you attacked my spelling. I acknowledged the fascinating perspective it had in respect to crop circles. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 10:09:45 PM |
As Rhino was kind enough to post earlier: http://circlemakers.org
Aw man! I feel just like I was told there was no such things as Santa. boo-hoo
Of course, I always figured it was people, I just didn't know that someone had done all of that! It's still fun to think about it being aliens.
Okay, what about the huge "drawings" on top of the mountains in Peru?
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/29/2009 10:11:16 PM |
It's one of my favorite experiments to do on a computer, drop a couple seeds and randomly plop down pixels giving them a path following simple gravity equations to the seeds.
Hey chrono, what do you mean there?
I am curious to see what you are talking about. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 12:34:25 AM | We already know they're bunk. If there are any "genuine" crop circles anywhere in the world , there's probably nothing particularly fantastic about them.
Besides that , it simply screams "hoax" anyway. Look at where they are , how they "suddenly" became seemingly ubiquitous the minute one of them made the news , and how they only appear in crops. Why not snow or otherwise empty fields ? Why so often in the U.K. ? Why only at night ? Why doesn't weather play a factor ?
So many questions which all have one likely conclusion : Hoax. The only mystery is why anybody ever took them as anything but a hoax to begin with. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 12:59:24 AM |
ctually no. I would accept the first as a possibilty until evidence of the second is conclusive before I assumed "god did it," or that we had been successfully invaded by aliens.
The secret may likely die with the conspirators, whether microbial, human, gods, or aliens.
Uhhh, nopes. http://circlemakers.org
Having seen the cell disruption on a microbial level on the actual stalks of the crops, I am sticking with microbes as my first choice.
So, yes, you'd say that vast colonies of single-celled organisms somehow communicated and caused the crops to flop over in complex patterns that really only make sense in the context of human language, rather than a bunch of humans got together and are screwing with the rest of the humans for fun. ...and with your vast expertise, you never even looked into the opportunistic pathogens that affect damaged grain stalks within hours. Weird.
Having a patent pending on a microbial filtration device might tend to bias my viewpoint against humor. I don't really enjoy having my chosen profession ridiculed, except when I am doing standup.
Obviously, you have mistaken this for a nerfed playing field, where all the participants wear padded helmets and look like the Michelin Man from all the protective gear. You put yourself out here, nobody knows or cares that you are a microbial filter patent hopeful, and nobody owes it to you to be vewy vewy careful to not offend your delicate sensibilities. You're in the big boy world; trade your pull-ups for boxers and act like it. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 1:16:31 AM | Crop circles go way deeper than just patterns in a field, its almost a microchasm of an anthropological world. It involves faith, belief, scepticism, complex social interactions, and a cottage industry plopped on the top of it all.
Crop circles have a profound and genuine affect on the people who make them, and the people that visit them. People dedicate their lives to researching them and the forces behind them, other dedicate their life to designing and making them.
For some, the origin of the circles is more important than the circle itself, I believe this view is wrong, and the circles should be merited in their own right.
Crop circles is less about flattened crop and all about human nature. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 1:26:08 AM |
I am saying that I have seen communities of single celled organisms acting in community to accomplish many things which I found unbelievable. I have likewise seen similar discovies published in scientific publications, and speculate that not single celled organisms, but communities of them might be responsible for large designs. Have you ever seen a coral reef? It is largely a community of single celled organism
While I do not believe that microbiobials are making the circles, anyone interested in what can be accomplished by eukaryotes should look up Dictyostelium discoideum, my particular favorite.  | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 1:44:48 AM | | In conclusion, before this thread is deleted, I would say the circles are created by small teams of very expierienced people who design and plan every detail and measurement before going to the fields. Still, very impressive, deserving perhaps of some artistic recognition, if it was'nt illegal. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 1:57:33 AM | Variola, I very much agree with what you say in MSG:41. It's very well put. I'd like to repeat my thoughts in MSG:2.
I think some crop circles are beautiful. They are a testament to 'mans' love of working the field. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 1:58:15 AM |
In conclusion, before this thread is deleted, I would say the circles are created by small teams of very expierienced people who design and plan every detail and measurement before going to the fields
And when they get there they fluff up mapping it out...  | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 4:00:04 AM | Knowing would take the mystery out of it.
That's part of the fun and beauty of them.
Why not enjoy?
I do not need an explanation.
My friends don't need to know why their pampass grass turned hot pink in the middle of the night....don't tell.
They still talk about it over dinner years later.
Who am I to tell them who or how????
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 5:11:29 AM | @ -brightspark-...
They are a testament to 'mans' love of working the field.
That all depends on which 'field' you're referring to. As I understand it, some of the farmers where these have occurred are rather irritated by it, as it sometimes does damage to the crop. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 5:47:48 AM |
hat all depends on which 'field' you're referring to. As I understand it, some of the farmers where these have occurred are rather irritated by it, as it sometimes does damage to the crop.
And some, in fact many do turn it to their advantage by charging croppy visitors on the gate to enter the circle via the tramlines, charge can be anything from £3-£5 a head. In the height of croppy season they make mega bucks, far more than exceeds what they have lost.
Aside from which, phototropism combined with modern farming methods means the loss is much less. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 7:03:07 AM | Any fool can take a plank and push down a crop in a circular formation, As the site “circlemakers.org” can attest to. Virtually all hoaxed circles are done in this way.
The real circles however can not be hoaxed.
Stems of crop are bent at the node without damage and not broken, even in crops like canola that breaks like celery when bent. The closest thing scientists can come up to explain this is a form of directed microwave energy, which they are unable to recreate.
Stems are layed down in an interwoven pattern one stock at a time, sometimes many layers thick. This can not be done with a board and string.
Many of the patterns created would take a crew of dozens many days to create, and have been created in hours. The back roads of England are packed with people and cameras all hoping to catch a picture or video of a crop circle being made, and many times these intricate circles have appeared almost beside them. Making crop circles is also against the law, and there is a reward for information leading to arrest. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 6/30/2009 7:23:14 AM | Wow I can't believe this is a point of discussion- crop circles have been PROVED to be a hoax- definitively.
No offense to anyone here, because everyone has made thoughtful, intelligent points. What is fascinating to me is why people just cannot let go of their fantasies and refuse to accept the most conclusive proof of ANYTHING...
Personally, I LOVE being proved wrong; I always want to be learning and growing. If my instincts, beliefs and theories are inviolable, then I'm just some stagnant lump.
Crop circles are made by PEOPLE- not aliens, semi-intelligent microbes or rogue wind currents. And that fact (at least to me) is more interesting, wonderful and beautiful than any other I can think of. | |
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