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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/7/2009 4:15:58 AM | If you are going to go to a debunking site on crop circles, also be intelligent enough to counter it with a believer's site. Then make an informed decision on the matter, for yourself.
Yes, while the patterns can sometimes "possibly" be explained by hoaxes made by humans, that does not explain the radioactivity measured in the circles, or the heat blisters on some of the crops.
There was a Canadian site, as western Canada experiences a lot of crop circles too, similiar to Britian in that.... but unfortunately the man who ran the site passed away earlier this site.
If you wish to know more about some of the in-depth scientific research being done, go to:
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/ | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/7/2009 4:45:41 AM |
If you are going to go to a debunking site on crop circles, also be intelligent enough to counter it with a believer's site. Then make an informed decision on the matter, for yourself.
What like the crop circle secrets site than another poster put up?? Id say that was a believers site.
Yes, while the patterns can sometimes "possibly" be explained by hoaxes made by humans, that does not explain the radioactivity measured in the circles, or the heat blisters on some of the crops.
Gizmo readings are still not backed up properly with scientific dats, sadly they wont ever be now either.
There was a Canadian site, as western Canada experiences a lot of crop circles too, similiar to Britian in that.... but unfortunately the man who ran the site passed away earlier this site.
Do you mean CCCRN?? If so then awa far as I am aware it is still up and running http://www.cccrn.ca/cccrn/blog/blog.html and Paul Anderson is still very much alive!!
If you wish to know more about some of the in-depth scientific research being done, go to:
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/7/2009 5:22:09 AM | If I was going to research it, and during the course of which I was led to believe there may be some amount of unexplained phenomenae the natural course would be meteorological. Heard about ball lightning doing some weird things for example, like appearing in the cabin of an international flight and travelling the length of it (described as a glowing plasma of some kind, later determined to have been ball lightning).
What I never understood is the sudden leap to fantastic explanations. I find the perfectly mundane quite fantastic enough already. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/7/2009 7:41:16 PM | Hey, look!!!
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m7d3-Crop-Circle-depicts-solar-eruptions-hitting-Earth-on-July-7
A crop circle prediction of an otherwise unpredictable event that didn't actually happen as predicted. How predictable! 
[edit] ...and just what the *bleep* are "exo-politics?" Really. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/8/2009 12:02:53 AM |
[edit] ...and just what the *bleep* are "exo-politics?" Really.
A quick google shows that exopolitics is the study ( hypothetical) of relations between humans ans extra terrestrials. It was 'invenvted' by Micheal Salla, who funny enough is th author of the link you posted! | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/8/2009 4:57:51 AM |
I like science but I want facts and fair play, for example :
the fossil record shows without exception ' each to thier kind ', nothing else is there, but evolutionists will not say what's there, they say, it can't be like that, there must be some missing links, we'll paint them in for now and declare our theory as fact. So much for the scientific method !, it's a complete farce.
Quite apart from the complete ignorance of science shown by this statement (not to mention the fact that you are utterly wrong about evolution), it is irrelevant to the subject of the thread. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/8/2009 5:01:17 AM | >>>If you are going to go to a debunking site on crop circles, also be intelligent enough to counter it with a believer's site. Then make an informed decision on the matter, for yourself.
Would you act this way with other issues? When discussing math, would you find it nessary to make an informed decision to visit websites that contradict each other? If you were researching Gravity, would you visit a website that says gravity exists, then examine the idea that, no, gravity does not exist?
Not everything in life requires a veiw in full scope, nor do all ideas hold merit enough to justify a closer look. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/8/2009 5:59:07 AM | Jiperly,
Would you act this way with other issues? When discussing math, would you find it nessary to make an informed decision to visit websites that contradict each other? If you were researching Gravity, would you visit a website that says gravity exists, then examine the idea that, no, gravity does not exist?
TBH, it's quite a common arguement put up by many people who think cropcircles are not all man-made., its almost a standard to imply that anyone who contradicts their view is ignorant because they haven't looked at crop circle sites.
It rather fizzles out when they post it up to someone who already has | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/8/2009 9:57:15 AM |
Not everything in life requires a veiw in full scope, nor do all ideas hold merit enough to justify a closer look.
Agreed. Obviously bogus claims made by flakes are not worthy of serious consideration or investigation. Doing so would be a waste of resources.
Many things are idiotic enough to be dismissed immediately. "Real" crop circles are one example. (Others include alien moon bases, the existence of god or the soul, NDEs, and predictions regarding the end of the world.) | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 6:15:14 AM | It's good to see there are more "pro's" out there, I would hate to feel we are ganging up on them! :)
For me, the assumption of plasma and microwave energies are not incompatible. It is well-known in physics that there is a characteristic "plasma frequency" which is a measure of its cut-off frequency ... Ampere's circuit law. So where is the magnetic sheath in a crop circle? And how is it positioned so carefully?
This is a great example of a believer using scientific vocabulary to construct a smokescreen for their pseudo-religious belief. I could take any religious sermon and replace each faith inspired word with a scientific term and it still won't make it true.
As I've said before, science is not religion, it isn't based on some immovable set of beliefs. It's about HOW you come to your conclusions.
Crop circle believers start at the end result, say it can't be explained and declare victory! A true scientist says that you can't declare victory until it IS explained.
What DOES science say about crop circles? That despite being unable to explain small, isolated variables (which are factors in EVERY scientific inquiry) the majority of cases of the phenomenon can be and are definitively explained by way of hoax; indeed the hoaxers in many cases have been identified. There is a consensus in the scientific community, and a clarity of method and logic associated with the conclusion. That's science.
And let's not say it's not a religion. Religions are based on faith- They are all rooted in the axiom "you can't prove it's NOT true", which is a conundrum- if something doesn't exist, it can never be truly PROVED to not exist. Isn't that the argument of the believers? "You can't explain it" - therefore it exists.
And for those who think that it isn't new age-just take a look at the link that was provided as "proof" above:
http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/healingcards.html
If you scroll down, you will find a photo of bottle of a "homeopathic remedy being charged on a resonance card"
'nuff said! | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 8:58:28 AM | [Crop circle beleivers start at the end result, say it can't be explained and declare victory !, A true scientist says you can't declare victory until it is explained.]
This is pretty close to what science has been doing, with evolution !
It starts with the end result, a theory, finds no evidence for it and then declares it as ' fact ', I say it is not fact until proven.
Crop circles exist, no belief neccessary !, we just need to know how they are made, however evolution and the big bang theory are entirely belief based 'facts ' ! | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 9:15:54 AM |
This is pretty close to what science has been doing, with evolution !
It starts with the end result, a theory, finds no evidence for it and then declares it as ' fact ', I say it is not fact until proven.
Crop circles exist, no belief neccessary !, we just need to know how they are made, however evolution and the big bang theory are entirely belief based 'facts '
Evolution can be traced right back to the first prokaryote, there are some aspects of cellular biology that are so highly conserved thats its seen in almost every species.
Thats not that same as grabbing a few ideas and lumping them together!
The assumption that believers make that crop circles are of NH origin is shakey to say the least!!
*We know humans can make crop circles
*We know humans have made hoax crop circles and been caught in the act.
*We know the way they are designed and mapped out and made.
*We do not know that ET even exists.
*We do not know that if they did exist, they would make the circles.
To given all the above to then assume that ETis behind the crop circles is a leap of faith, like religion.
There are some very good concientious crop circle researchers out there, they are not all loons or airy fairy fanatics.
However there are some truely appauling ones, and it is they who muddy the waters in the name of bolsetering their career/status/finance. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 9:42:01 AM | ^^^^
You are wasting your time attempting to talk sense or logic to FatedStar, since he is quite obviously immune to it.
Sadly, those wilfully ignorant of science are frequently like that. I used to think that it was a matter of stupidity, but I have since come to realize that it is pure mule-headed stubbornness. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 9:50:34 AM |
Yeh. it's not evolution either, the biology on this planet will have have similarities across species !, because they live on this planet !
LOL how can that not be evolution? The notion that we are all descended from the same origin, that is what evolution i
So you think we share similarities because of our environment?? So explain the highly conserved DNA then? I am assuming you know about evolution as you can so readily dismiss it with a theory of your own.
However that is not what the topic is about, its about crop circles. Would you like to comment on how the facts can be reconciled to produce a NH theory for CCs?
Intoart
You are wasting your time attempting to talk sense or logic to FatedStar, since he is quite obviously immune to it.
Sadly, those wilfully ignorant of science are frequently like that. I used to think that it was a matter of stupidity, but I have since come to realize that it is pure mule-headed stubbornness.
You are of course right, I just happento know more about crop circles and the crop circle world than the average poster ( oohhh get me!!! ) and I like to encourage people to think differently, assuming of course they want to. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 11:13:27 AM | Yes, I know the topic is about crop circles, I am simply pointing out that the arguments you are using, apply equally to your scientific method.
And biology is not evolution, evolution requires the mutation of the DNA, and mutants do not survive on this planet, furthermore you should observe still in the environment evolution taking place.Across the millions of species living on the Earth,not one is a mutant in transformation, they are all complete and viable, all transforming species exist only via graphic artists ! | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 11:24:04 AM |
evolution requires the mutation of the DNA, and mutants do not survive on this planet,
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I am going to put that up on my science forum as quote of the week..... that really is priceless Fatedstar!!!!!
Next time you are at the shops, by yourself a biology book! | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 12:33:24 PM | | Ok, explain why there are no examples of evolution on the planet, and dont say because it's so slow, as I said there are millions of species on Earth, there must be some species that can be seen to be modifying !, some fish growing legs, some reptile who's scales are changing into feathers, anything !. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 12:36:17 PM | Oh I don't know, he may have discovered who is really behind the circles.... the flying pigs!! They fly down.....trample the crop with their little trotters, and they fly off again. It's their revenge for us eating them.
What d'ya think??
It would be beneficial if he actually knew something about the circles before trying to comment on them.
Or indeed evolution. | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 3:37:40 PM | Ok, explain why there are no examples of evolution on the planet, and dont say because it's so slow, as I said there are millions of species on Earth, there must be some species that can be seen to be modifying !, some fish growing legs, some reptile who's scales are changing into feathers, anything !.
You pointed to the exact cause of the most likely reason for the absence of evolution. There are millions of species on the earth, and many of them fill niches which exclude any new species from taking hold. It takes a major environmental disaster to "prove" evolution. It becomes much easier after a mass extinction. There is currently no "natural selection" because there are no new natural habitats to be selected.
Science would have to "experiment" by eliminating all species from a habitat to encourage evolution. Unless they do so, it isn't real science, but it makes a reasonable conclusion from the available observations. Shall we call it "junk science?" "Theoretical Pseudo Science?", "Quasi -Science?" , "Magic?", "Observation and Conclusion absent Experimentation?" , "Alchemy?" , "Voooo Science?" I don't know. It isn't "real Science"
Even if they were able to prove evolution, it would only take one religious nut to say he prayed for a new species to appear and he would claim that the prayer worked and proved "creation" Everybody should take one step forward and two steps back, and understand that your "Truth" is really only your evaluation of your perception in most cases. The real truth is only a elusive object of your perception which underlies the perception itself. Most everything you have is simply a "belief." | |
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| Crop Circles, what is behind this mystery ?
Posted: 7/10/2009 3:57:58 PM |
It starts with the end result, a theory, finds no evidence for it and then declares it as ' fact ', I say it is not fact until proven.
Ahh but this isn't true! jSee what we are quibbling about is the nature of "proof". Evolution, as Darwin observed; is a scientific certainty. It occurs around us every day. The statement you made refers to the theory that higher animals; especially humans, evolved from one celled animals. That IS a theory. But it is a solid, all-but-proven one. It has 100 years of progressive, confirmed research behind it. The logic used to support it is deductive rather that inductive. It's evidence and efficacy is absolutely overwhelming.
The fact is man exists. Evolution is the most probable, proven and agreed-upon theory as to how we got here.
The fact is (as you said), "crop circles exist". Hoax is the most probable, proven and agreed-upon theory as to how THEY got there.
There are many theories that are not proven but are virtual fact. Relativity, the infinite computation of pi, the existence of black holes. But we accept these as fact, because of the overwhelming nature of the evidence. | |
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