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 Pete_Paranoid

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Posted: 7/6/2009 8:55:10 AM
I haven't read the whole thread but it seems to me to be running along the same lines as the 'classic" A.I. story!

"What came first the chicken or the egg?"


EDIT: yes I know this sounds crazy but you won't be saying that when there's a 40ft chicken running loose in your backyard!
 Questio amicitias

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Posted: 7/6/2009 6:42:05 PM
Well, if all chickens were given freedom to roam outside their enclosures, just pray we don't have a avian flu outbreak here! It may have to be the case where chooks remain indoors during migration periods to safeguard their livelihood. Back in 2005, some countries in Europe banned chickens from having any outside contact until the bird flu epidemic was officially over.
 Naamah

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Posted: 7/6/2009 6:59:08 PM

Well, if all chickens were given freedom to roam outside their enclosures, just pray we don't have a avian flu outbreak here!

I know! And then we have to remember what happened on that movie "The Birds" where they all went crazy and attacked humans. Animals are obviously dirty and dangerous things that are best permanently locked in concrete rooms, or all put to death. World would be a better place. Although ....that leaves us without the option of eating Alex if we're starving. It's all so melodramatic isn't it.
 Questio amicitias

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Posted: 7/6/2009 7:13:57 PM

I know!


Glad you agree... the rest of your point was too melodramatic.
 Naamah

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Posted: 7/6/2009 7:37:04 PM
Vanaheim, thanks for your informed and thought-provoking post...

due to the comparatively exaggerated development of the Frontal Lobe in modern H.S.Sapiens (signified by brain cavity shape), it is assumed all the significant development of modern civilisation and its concepts belong solely to modern humans.
Experiments like this done with Alex suggest this is not the case.

The way I hear it, Alex has messed up a few theories that would be perfectly sound...if not for that bloody bird!!


I do think this kind of research can help our political development

I am curious to hear more about what you were thinking in that regard.
 vanaheim

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Posted: 7/6/2009 8:19:20 PM

I am curious to hear more about what you were thinking in that regard.


This is merely personal opinion:

Politics lags behind readily available academic development, I've a sense this is due to very insular assertions to intellectual development. It is a sad thing for people to be dismissive, as if some rite of adulthood is to stop asking why and simply conclude the minds of others.
In terms of international politics I think this is where you get culture shock. Nationally, totalitarianism. Generally speaking we have all these people who aren't happy and the answers laying around all over the place.
If it can be clearly shown in nature that intellectual development is both insular and holistic, then those people who conclude for aristocratic competition may start to get excited by considerate entertainment instead.
That's one point.

The other is that this kind of research unlocks the correct functioning of brain structure, so that misdiagnosis is less likely. Lobotomised patients for example probably remained fully cognitive if we are to consider Alex's case by inferrence, but had simply been tortured and abused beyond all emotional tolerance by individuals claiming to be healers. Thus they appeared to lose cognition, and were "cured" of their madness to become a dependent zombie. Well if you treated them in the same fashion and then cut off their arm with a giggle and a court order they may have responded exactly the same way.
 Naamah

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Posted: 7/7/2009 6:50:35 AM
^^^ OK now my brain hurts and accordingly I phrase the following bit as a "have I understood you correctly" type of post...
So you reckon that Alex might help humanity start to get over itself a bit more? That to start to realise that we aren't the only smarty-pants amongst the species on earth, that we will also extend that to other humans...ease up on our sense of superiority about one country being better than another, one religion being better than another, one football team being better than another? That if we can be more accepting that we aren't superior beings, that we will therefore stop aspiring to be, and ultimately we will find greater contentment within ourselves in our global environment? Have I understood you correctly? Or have I read too much into it and made it sound like Alex is lucky he didn't find himself getting nailed to a cross?


Lobotomised patients for example probably remained fully cognitive if we are to consider Alex's case by inferrence, but had simply been tortured and abused beyond all emotional tolerance by individuals claiming to be healers. Thus they appeared to lose cognition, and were "cured" of their madness to become a dependent zombie. Well if you treated them in the same fashion and then cut off their arm with a giggle and a court order they may have responded exactly the same way.

Maybe....(and a horrific thought if true)...but I figure that merely because we prove that birds are nonetheless capable of emotion, abstract thought etc despite not having a frontal lobe, it doesn't mean it necessarily follows that humans would still be capable of those things with their frontal lobe removed/disconnected. I mean, our brain is designed in one way, and the birds in another....big difference between accepting that a bird has evolved a brain that can demonstrate the same capabilities as a human with what it normally consists of even if lacking bits that human brains normally consist of, and assuming that if a portion of a human brain is removed/disabled that other parts of that human's brain can or will immediately compensate for the functions of the removed section merely because it still has all the bits a bird's brain has. Wouldn't that be like expecting instant evolution? Especially considering that it's not as if our brain has simply ended up what it is today as a result of a lineal evolution from a bird's brain...they both evolved along different branches. I admit I know very little about the biology of brains though and this is equally just my opinion...and hey, maybe remaining bits of the brain can step in and perform the function of other bits since removed, but personally I can't imagine that torture and removal of an arm would cause the same end result as lobotomy (at least not consistently, although perhaps not impossibly). Interesting to ponder though.

And just throwing this quote in cos I like it...

Birds are not our ancestors; they are not even lower or less complicated than humans in any meaningful sense. Gould argued that 'They represent good solutions for their own way of life' and they should not be judged by the self-centred notion that one particular primate species (humans) forms a standard for all of life to be judged by.
from: Celebrating 300 Million Years of the Mind. From the little I've read, I like the way Stephen Jay Gould thinks.

Little Alex anecdote, from Dr Pepperberg
...One day, in the midst of this (she'd been describing a day when he was tantruming and refusing to give correct answers and turning his back on them all), I'm testing him with a tray of three, four and six blocks of different colors, and I ask, "What color three?" (he's meant to look and see which colour block there is three of, and say the colour) He replies, "Five." At first, I was puzzled: there was no set of five on the tray. We repeat this interaction several times, and he consistently says, "Five." Finally, in frustration, I ask, "OK, what color five?" He says "none"! Not only had he transferred the use of "none" ( from a different context where he had learned what "none" meant) but he had also figured out how to manipulate me into asking him the question he wanted to answer!
Gotta love a feisty bird eh.
 concreteboots

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Posted: 7/7/2009 8:15:22 AM
Tune into the animals for they have lots to say.I hate it when i look back and say 'that dog told me that was crook" Great thread !
 Faux Pa

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Posted: 7/8/2009 8:16:34 AM

I go toa Community Lounge on a big main thru road and huge trucks CRAMMED full of poor bewildered sheep tear past all the time and the stench from these pissing themselves with terror . . .

I have a Community Lounge close to me also, but I still think those bingo trips from the Aged Care Facility are an important factor in maintaining an active social life for the residents . . incontinence or no incontinence.

Anyway, I found a C0ckatiel recently. He was in a lane way standing up against the wall. He was obviously someone's pet and quite tame as he didn't try to fly away till I was close to him. He couldn't fly far in any case because it seems he was pretty exhausted and had been attacked by wild birds that left his head bleeding and beaten up. It was late afternoon and I decided to take him home. There was no obvious owner and I figured that if left to fend for himself, he'd end up as dinner for a local cat that night.

He now resides in the recently vacated guinea pig hutch and I'm glad of the rent, I can tell you . . haha.
That was a couple of months ago now and it's taken him a long time to settle in. I've now got to the stage where he'll take food from my hand quite readily but he (dunno if it's actually a he) won't sit on my finger, for instance. Sometimes as he's taking the food, I'll attempt to stroke his chest . . the idea being to get him used to being touched, but he won't have a bar of it. He'll still take the seed, but will admonish me with a sort of low grumble.

Now this bird is no Alex, but I have the distinct impression that he's training me as much as I'm training him.
I've consulted with our local avian expert here and I've come to the conclusion that this boid is probably smarter than me . . the C0ckatiel, that is . . errrrm . . OK, probably Naamah as well.
 tarvold

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Posted: 7/8/2009 7:36:44 PM

... Naamah's bit about instant evolution...


What you described as an extreeme hypothetical actually does happen. Have a google of "Human Sonar", or "Human echolocation". There's also a pretty cool video about Ben Underwood floating around somewhere.

Makes you wonder why we still measure our children's "physical education" by how fast they can run in a straight line, or whatever, when they could be learning really cool stuff like that. Well, it makes me wonder, anyway...
 journey2407

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Posted: 7/8/2009 9:57:26 PM

Gould argued that 'They represent good solutions for their own way of life' and they should not be judged by the self-centred notion that one particular primate species (humans) forms a standard for all of life to be judged by.


That is profound. I don't have time to read the whole thread, will later, but that just spun my concept of human superiority around 180 degrees. We only think we are superior because we are good at being humans. We are really bad at being birds. So from their perspective we are just fat, heavy, slow mammals. We can't even fly...
 Naamah

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Posted: 7/9/2009 4:30:38 AM
What you described as an extreeme hypothetical actually does happen. Have a google of "Human Sonar", or "Human echolocation".

That was very cool! But I see that more as behavioural adaptation, and in fact, in one of the articles it was described as an ability we all have anyway, but that we can strengthen to compensate as needed. When I was talking about evolution in one lifetime I was moreso thinking about a biological adaptation occurring within the brain in that person's lifetime...eg. cutting one bit out, and one of the other remaining bits takes over the removed bit's function even though it didn't formerly perform that function...not as a conscious choice of the person concerned, and not as a new behaviour the person learns or develops to compensate, but just a biological adjustment. Cos with Ben, it's not as if the part of the brain that formerly dealt with processing vision suddenly started processing sound/echolocation. The part that was always there to process sound/echolocation just got better at its usual job....so there was no changing function in the brain itself... so I don't see that as an example of the sort of 'evolution in one lifetime' concept that I was thinking of. ...If his ears had physically turned into eyeballs, then that'd be an example of what I had in mind. That's why I was saying I thought it would be unlikely...but I was only guessing and would love to hear if the brain can just redistribute tasks to other sections. Probably depends on which tasks, I guess.


when they could be learning really cool stuff like that

In a previous century when I was a teacher, I got in contact with a centre that assisted kids with various disabilities and borrowed this special equipment they had that allowed kids without disabilities to experience what life was like for those with. I can remember they gave me all these special glasses that replicated various vision problems...blindness obviously you can do with any blindfold, but they had glasses that would let you experience things like tunnel vision as one example....it was an interesting experience for me as well as the kids. Be interesting to try and go a week with a pair of some of those glasses on, and see what behavioural adaptations are necessary.

But I digress....


Sometimes as he's taking the food, I'll attempt to stroke his chest. . the idea being to get him used to being touched, but he won't have a bar of it.

The issue might not be with touch, but rather that he might not like having his chest stroked. If you want to make friends with another species you have to work out what he would like. If you're brave enough, try the beak and face. Birds seem to enjoy having their beak gently stroked, and a very light but consistent type of touch from the side of the base of the beak and then sweeping back (under the eye) across the ear. I've found that can turn most birds to jelly once they know how lovely it feels...even works on vicious geese, assuming you live long enough to try it with the flesh torn from your body. But if you don't keep your touch level it will feel like a poke and you'll get bitten...which won't kill you anyway so suck it up. But fairs fair and he will want to investigate your finger with his beak too...an avian handshake...reefing your finger away too soon is the equivalent of shaking someone's hand then immediately wiping your hand with a disinfectant towelette...height of rudeness.


(dunno if it's actually a he)

Not sure if this helps...
http://www.pacificpets.biz/assets/documents/sexing.pdf

I have to say, I think your boy/girl is probably in for a better life than Alex....saw some more info about Alex recently, and I am even more convinced that he did suffer for the results he's left us with. I don't mean he was beaten or anything, just...I don't think he ever got to go outside (they had a special light in the lab that recreated the varying light of the sun over the course of the day), and he couldn't fly because he'd never been allowed to...and...I dunno...just, he had a lot taken off him to give us what he did.


but that just spun my concept of human superiority around 180 degrees

It is a weird sensation at first huh...and yeah, then to realise they are so incredibly unimpressed by us. I'm pretty sure humans are the butt of many jokes swapped from branch to branch in the trees above us, and anyone who has heard the bawdy knee-slapping laughter a group of ducks can emit at times...well it's enough to make a person a leeetle paranoid.
 tarvold

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Posted: 7/9/2009 5:00:28 AM
^^ ahh... gotchya...

I've read elsewhere that the brain can rewire itself to adapt to compensate for the loss of a missing piece. Speach synthesis is an example that comes to mind - cases where cancer or something leads to the removal of a part of the brain via surgery, and for the patient to re-learn the missing actions later on in life. There's also recent research that shows that the brain remains capable of establishing new neurons and links well into adulthood.

But I have no idea where I read all that from... It's not my profession - only something that catches my attention occassionaly in between my next get-rich-quick scheme.
 nevaagin

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Posted: 7/9/2009 3:00:27 PM
Thumbs up for the one day nouveau riche , but as regards birds I have always had the eerie feeling that the joke's on us and the kookaburras know it . We are so poncy about our so-called superiority when just a look backwards at history shows us to be illogical , inept in the game of survival and life as she is meant to be lived . Look at the situation in Pompeii , where only a few fled before the inevitable happened and Etna erupted ! It had been clear what would happen for a long time but most people went about their pleasurising , grape peeling lives as usual . Talk about re-wiring brains ... too late and they went down with their city into history .
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Posted: 7/10/2009 8:12:09 PM
firstly im a complete animal lover, i have often spoken about my rabbit or chooks on here..

i think intelligence just like most things, it is relative.. u can not compare the intelligence of an animal to a human, i mean has anyone ever considered that animals are in fact smarter?

we define humans as being the most intelligent creaturs on the planet, but is that really the case? i mean sure we have built fantastic things such as cars, whitegoods, life saving equipment, tvs and so on.. no other creature has managed that.

but we are also the only living creature hell bent on destroying not only ourselves (ie murder, rape, pilfering etc) but the planet we live in.

yes i do think some are just as smart but thats a hard point to make as we really cant get inside the head of our animals and know what they do or dont think.


i can say that my rabbit, (who most ppl think is a very dumb species) tells me in his own way what he wants, he will sit in a certain spot when he wants food (next to fridge, ha), he will nudge me with his foot when he wants a pat, has also learnt to open kitchen cupboard with his teeth to get to his hay and dry food, even once managed to pry open lid from plast container that holds the hay.. he bangs his water dish when its empty, picks it up with his teeth and repeatedly bangs till i fill it, he grunts when he is unhappy and tugs at my clothing when he wants to be put down on ground (when im holding him).. so i can tell what he wants to a point.. he has learnt to communicate with me on my levels.. but cant say i have with his. so who is smarter?
 vanaheim

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Posted: 7/18/2009 6:45:53 PM
Okie dokie, back in the thread after a short pause.

Hello again Naamah.
Interesting that recent research has been suggesting traditional "bound" medical views to the area function of the human brain may be in serious error and that indeed neural pathways so to speak may be immediately adapted to compensate for physical brain damage.
It's just that regions like the cortex and frontal lobe seem almost like different organs, but contemporary neurosurgeons are increasingly arriving at the conclusion the brain is a high adaptive and internally abstract organ perfectly capable of reorganising its function, though the limitations are unknown.
I'll see if I can hunt down a link, this was part of an article passed on by a friend who likes to update me on great moments in science. IIRC it was related to tumor victims with physical brain damage resulting from surgery (during after care scans it was noted neural pathways were restored by unkown internal adaptation, challenging traditional views on regional brain function).

Which brings me to more layman terms of my contention of political implications about smarty pants birds.
Like the medical tradition of regional brain function begat certain treatment regimes and expectation of results, much of modern politics is based in a series of traditional assumptions of hominid evolution, palaeoanthropology and contemporary psychology, which may be in serious error. Well for a start the bird just trumped any classical assertion that aberrant behaviour is in any way related to medical psychiatry. That can be good and bad, but it is most definitely a complete turnaround. Practise does typically lag behind establishment by as much as centuries however.

We're still going to go down the same road. Moving the road is not a change that we're going to notice right off the bat. But now we're headed on a different course, there's no getting around the fact that new information will be explored, and every implication will find a home eventually. It's how technology continues to develop. That's what I'm saying. All the scenery is going to change.

Proving cognitive function in Alex was no small thing. It was a very big development with tremendous implications, because there was so much I was already aware of in such a vast breadth of premise being entirely dependent upon the complete opposite.

I said in another thread something I suspect I'm going to be saying a lot for a while. Politics is how you believe the world works. Change that belief, and you've changed your politics.
 Naamah

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Posted: 7/21/2009 7:39:09 PM
Hi Vanaheim...I'm glad you reappeared...

contemporary neurosurgeons are increasingly arriving at the conclusion the brain is a high adaptive and internally abstract organ perfectly capable of reorganising its function, though the limitations are unknown.
Ok yeah, that is the bit I assumed our brains couldn't do at all....so even without knowing what the limitations might be, yes, what you said earlier about lobotomised patients does become rather more horrific to contemplate.


Well for a start the bird just trumped any classical assertion that aberrant behaviour is in any way related to medical psychiatry. That can be good and bad, but it is most definitely a complete turnaround.
I wasn't sure if you meant here that you assume Alex's capabilities are 'aberrant behaviours' in that you are assuming other birds wouldn't be capable of what Alex chose to demonstrate to us...but based on all else you've said I assume you are concluding that generally we shouldn't assume that we are the only species capable of having personalities that come of independent thought. Amen to that.


Practise does typically lag behind establishment by as much as centuries however.
Our physical brains are quicker to adapt than humanity as a whole? Sounds about right.

I think the main problem will be that Alex has proven something that is very inconvenient to humanity, with regards to how we do things. I've seen how people sometimes react to any information that might cause them to look at what they do, and realise they are sustaining/supporting a particular practice that would imply something rather challenging about their own ethical position that they don't want to be true....and that discomfort can mean they tend to reject the information, if not become downright hostile towards the idea. For example, looking at this in light of something as simple as consumer choices....It's easier to buy caged eggs if you believe chickens are just feathered machines in cages, or just bury your head in the sand about egg farms altogether. But if a person is shown information about what is done to chickens, and also is shown that chickens are, in their own right, little personalities, with awareness, intelligence, emotions, their own thoughts and preferences, and that how they exist within those conditions is on a par with how we might feel ourselves to be forced to endure such a life even though they are a different species to us...then it starts to become clearer that supporting such a practice through purchasing choices would be a cruel thing to do. Nobody wants to think of themselves as 'cruel'. Therefore, to rid themselves of that thought about themselves, they either make a conscious change...or...they resist (often vehemently) the idea itself that might force them to consider that they should change in order to justify continuing doing what is most convenient (cheaper) and still live with themselves. Those who choose that as their reaction, from that point on, will perceive anyone who re-presents similar information, as merely being a nuisance....a thorn in their side. I think it's people who make that their chosen reaction, who will take the longest to realise the 'road has moved', as you put it.

Actually, I can imagine Alex is quite the thorn in the side of many, for many different reasons. Egads...perhaps he was assassinated?


All the scenery is going to change.

In the context you've said that (and thanks for coming back and clarifying)...my thoughts tend to run to saying something very intellectual and profound, like...YAY!!
 vanaheim

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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:17:53 AM
Hey check this out, posted on the ABC science forum:


Scientists claim they have discovered how a girl born with half a brain has both fields of vision in one eye.

The 10-year-old, who is from Germany, is able to see with the power of both the left and right eye in a single eye despite the failure of the right hemisphere of her brain to develop in the womb.

Scientists at Glasgow University now believe that the girl's brain rewired itself during its development in the only known case of its kind in the world.

In other cases where patients have half of the brain removed - for example to treat severe epilepsy, one field of vision is lost in both eyes.

This would leave them only able to see objects on the left or right side of their vision. In the case of the German girl, her left and right field vision is almost perfect in one eye.

Scans on the girl showed that retinal nerve fibres which should have gone to the right hemisphere of the brain diverted to the left.

Dr Lars Muckli from the university's Centre for Cognitive Neuroimaging, said the brain has amazing plasticity.

"We were quite astonished to see just how well the single hemisphere of the brain in this girl has adapted to compensate for the missing half," he said.

"Despite lacking one hemisphere, the girl has normal psychological function and is perfectly capable of living a normal and fulfilling life. She is witty, charming and intelligent."

The girl's underdeveloped brain was discovered when, aged three, she underwent an MRI scan after suffering seizures of brief involuntary twitching on her left side. Apart from the seizures, which were successfully treated, and slight weakness on her left side, the girl has had a normal medical history, attending school and taking part in regular activities.

The study, which also involved researchers in Germany, is published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA.
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Posted: 7/22/2009 4:05:50 AM
We have a Staffy who says hello and I'm sure he's not the only one, he probably wouldn't be a bad feed though 'cos he eats better than we do
 rocketsOD

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Posted: 7/22/2009 9:14:52 PM
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I think sometimes I am a bird brain........ doesnt intellligence equate to the amount of time spent giving a certain subject attention? There are many subjects which there is much to learn about, that I have never given my attention to so on those subjests I would be seen as a bird brain. It would serve people to remember that when they assume someone is, as per the thread title, a 'bird brain'.

As for the birds........ I am sure if I studied the anatomy of the 'bird brain' I would find a limited ability to learn. There are some humans which fall into that catagory........ on POF perhaps that equates to the jilted lover who just doesnt get it.
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 ~luvUlongtime~

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Posted: 10/2/2009 10:01:52 AM
Meet Frostie the Dancing C0ckatoo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bt9xBuGWgw&feature=fvw

I'm always on the lookout for dancing talent and in Frostie I think I've found something very rare - pure, raw, untrained talent, an instinctive mover... and what a groover!
This bird has 'soul'.
I will be stealing his choreography moves for sure.

There are many other links of Frostie on Youtube... including this one, the moment his talent was first discovered:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOJxuXdZsss&feature=related
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Posted: 10/2/2009 12:31:27 PM
This is the first time I watched the Alex video as my broadband wasn't up and riding at the time of the OP. There is one glaring flaw in proclaiming intelligence in Alex the parrot.
The video is edited seconds before each feat of genius therefore lacking any credibility imo. They could have and probably did sift through a hundred bird brain responses before airing the desired result.
 lyingcheat

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Posted: 10/3/2009 12:48:15 AM

They could have and probably did sift through a hundred bird brain responses before airing the desired result.

It's difficult to edit reality though, and you seem to be forgetting that Alex the parrot could pull off these stunts live.
As he did many times, in front of hundreds of students and research assistants over the thirty years he spent living publicly at various universities, initially in Arizona, then later at Harvard and Brandeis.
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Posted: 10/3/2009 5:17:30 AM
I wonder if these professors picked up any parrot words in Alex's 30 odd years ?...

maybe they learned a few squarks and whistles that Alex repeated to himself outside of elocution lessons and media appearances... and tried them on other similar parrots...

just for a lark....
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Posted: 10/3/2009 8:22:35 PM
Dancing c0ckys make more than just amusing youtube links to share with friends... according to some scientists.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103629651

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/05/01/Research-Birds-can-dance-to-music/UPI-68951241210668/

http://newscenter.iupui.edu/4218/Bird-Does-Dance-to-the-Music-Says-Research-Report-on-a-YouTube-Sensation%0D%0A

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8026592.stm

Fascinating stuff!

And it's not just birds getting in on the muscial action. Check out this clip of Nora the piano playing cat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0zgQAp7EYw

I'd say that people that underestimate an animal's intelligence are 'bird-brained', but that would be offensive to birds.
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