| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/4/2009 3:27:52 PM | | I do believe pot should be legal and regulated. Because we have tobacco which is a more dangerous drug being legal, if not heavily regulated. I think the reason why tobacco is still legal is; firstly, there was already a massive tobacco industry when pot was banned and secondly, you do not get high when smoking tobacco. high off smoking tobacco. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/4/2009 5:09:23 PM | Read the real history of MJ in this country.
Cannabis history in America - "The Emperor Has No Clothes"
http://www.jackherer.com/ | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/4/2009 9:49:37 PM | | Legalize it and tax it at 100%. Smoke stoned and drive? Same penalties as booze. I don't do it, but I'm tired of more tax dollars fighting against it. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/5/2009 3:35:27 AM | | hi Bluesman... I am for keeping it illegal for the greater good of society as a whole... you may not understand me when I say mind altering substances, I include alcohol and prescription drugs in there... being the straight one in the crowd I see first hand how drug and alcohol use changes people and so far I prefer conversations with people who are straight.... my teen is very fun and social, not to mention healthy and she can do it all while being natural and confident, imagine that... whats so wrong with empowering our youth with the things that come from within vs that which comes from without... I teach my teen that slurring her words, throwing up, driving under the influence, liver and lung disease are never attractive.. being healthy, present and natural are very attractive.... many blessings, warmly Mona | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/5/2009 8:00:10 AM | ^^^^^
I would suggest using hyperbole is a poor way to support your point.
Marijuana should be legal for responsible adults to use in a responsible manner.
Why add anymore to that? | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/5/2009 8:33:37 AM | | ^^^^That's the rub isn't it? Where is the line decriminalization should be drawn? Over the counter for adults? Then what age? 18? 21? etc. Should it be used under the care of a doctor, much like moriphine, and other drugs for a high potential for abuse? What behaviors are we will to accept by those using cannabis? If we're going to talk about legalization these are just a few of the issues that should be addressed. BTW, I do not use Cannabis, so the only sober person in the room statement was a bit offensive. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/5/2009 9:22:00 AM |
I am for keeping it illegal for the greater good of society as a whole... you may not understand me when I say mind altering substances, I include alcohol and prescription drugs in there
I disagree, I think the criminal black market, the loss of tax revenue (the economy anyone?), and the jailing of otherwise law abiding citizens does more to harm nonusers than actual use does. But I have to give you credit, at least you're being consistent and keeping alcohol and prescription drugs in the same category as pot. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/9/2009 1:05:53 PM | | Nice bedlog! Why don't we lower the age of drinking too so these youngsters learn the effects of it before they are allowed to drive! | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/9/2009 1:32:02 PM |
Why don't we lower the age of drinking too so these youngsters learn the effects of it before they are allowed to drive!
I think you were being sarcastic, but if you look at France, Germany, and Italy, kids there start drinking at a much younger age and they don't have nearly the alcoholism and DUI problems that the U.S. does. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/9/2009 11:34:30 PM | Welcome to America Cyke 
While I certainly wouldn't advocate putting smoke of any kind into one's lungs (pot, cigarettes, whatever) I damn well don't advocate sending someone to prison for smoking. I don't care what kind of undesirable mental or physical health effects smoking pot does to someone it's nothing compared to what being locked up in a prison with violent criminals will do to one's mental, physical and emotional health. Somebody please tell me what it is that smoking pot makes a person do that's so horrible that one should be thrown in prison and have their life ruined for it? | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/9/2009 11:57:40 PM | Has anyone ever browsed an ethnobotanical website that sells all kinds of different plant leaves, seeds, etc. such as kratom, lion's tail, morning glory seeds, etc. claiming hallucinogenic properties (and they probably don't do jack to ya)? Well, evidently the State of Louisiana did because now they have many of those same plants listed as illegal for human consumption. You can grow them in your back yard but by god should you consume them hoping to catch a buzz you'll be doing hard labor in prison.
I suppose if I video myself chewing daffodil seeds and staggering around in a stupor and upload it to YouTube I wonder how long it will be before a bunch of state legislators push to make it illegal?
With each passing day America becomes more and more a Nazi state  | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/10/2009 12:10:20 AM | It should not be legalised as this sends out the wrong message,in a perfect world we don't need drugs or an escape from reality and kids at the moment hear from adults on tv or in the home "i need a drink "after a stressful moment or to celebrate something a drink is sought,this is crazy and we don't want our children doing either drink or smoke so instead of legalising it,it should be decriminalised like it is in Holland.
I lived in Holland for a few years and enjoyed the freedom to smoke cannabis without feeling like a criminal outcast.I grew four beautiful 7ft tall plants in my garden without paranoid thoughts of being grassed up.The neighbours did not mind the smell as i respected them by only planting 4.
A friend of mine had a grow room in his house of 112 plants,now he was making money from this so was taking the p with 112.If he grew the acceptable 4or 5 plants then his neighbours would not have smelt his crop and told the Police.
One day a policeman knocked on his door at 7pm ish and said"we have had a complaint about the smell of weed,can i come in and see what you have".My friend let the lone Policeman into his house and showed him his crop."you know you have too many and i am going to have to take them away and arrest you for growing,i will be back soon with a van and help to take them away".
With in an hour they had emptied his grow room and had left him with relevant paperwork.His front door was still attached to the frame,his neighbours arent left thinking his house is a Crack den or worse and the grower is left to be Dad and husband to his family because he is not considered a threat to society and should not be locked up.
He got a £1000 fine and told not to do it again.2nd time he got caught it was£1800.if a 3rd time he has to go back to England.
It is all about respecting your neighbours and the people around you, in Holland the police don't seem to care what you do as long as no one else is affected by your actions you are free to do what you want.In small villages you do not see people in public smoking big spliffs and teenagers hogging park benches in gangs sharing a bong,it would not be acceptable in Holland and the majority of people respect each others space and peace.The Dutch have the right balance.
Now i live in England i have had to get to know proper criminals in order to get to know a dealer.My dealer sells Es speed ,coke stolen goods and god knows what else.As a law abiding citizen I just want some weed and not line the pockets of the criminal gangs that plague our society but what can i do. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/10/2009 12:53:57 AM | But hey, look on the bright side...........
At least Canada's population won't double overnight from all of those illegal American immigrants  | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/10/2009 3:31:20 AM | The Dutch way is the only way.
I cant be bothered to find research to back up this but it is has been on various news programs that Holland has less teenagers smoking weed than most European country's .
The average age of a heroin addict is getting older every year and levels of crime associated with drug abuse are falling.
The Dutch way works.
If somebody can discredit this then please do as i am sure no other country even comes close to the Fairness and common-sense approach that The Netherlands offers to its people.
The Dutch people deserve a lot of credit for the laws that seem to be for the people.
I would love to hear from a Dutch person on the subject,any out there?does it work in Holland? | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:25:44 AM | Tobaccoa, nicotine: stimulant, same basic chemical family as cocaine and caffiene. btw the closes anyone has come to sucessfully classifying pot is halucinogen but that is off the mark too. probably best to put it in its own catagory because it really is.  | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 10:02:20 AM | Actually Holland has got a huge problem.
I would like to see it remain illegal.
A close relative of mine is a heavy user and I have noticed the personality change in him. About 5 years ago they declassified it here in the UK, however, at the same time they clamped down on importing it so the resin/solid cannabis was very hard to get hold of. As a result people started growing their own. This is much stronger than solid. Even my relative noticed the difference and has had to go back to the more expensive solid. He tried to give up once and couldn't, he became aggressive and I mean very aggressive. If he is smoking it, forget talking to him, he won’t remember a thing you said. By selective breeding and the use of greenhouse and chemicals to speed up the growth of cannabis it has doubled in strength during the last 10 years. We have no idea what the long term mental health of the user will be at this concentration.
How would you make it legal anyway, what the cultivation part of it, importing and exporting of it also, or just the possession? Who do you think will make the quick buck here and leave the minds of the user fried?
It is far too easy for the simple people and governments to resolve this issue by thinking they can control it. A fool’s paradise… | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 10:22:08 AM | ^^^^
If it was legal your friend could choose to smoke a lighter strain; he wouln't need to smoke the chemically boost, poorly monitored cannabis available to him now. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 10:24:06 AM | As an ex-smoker I can definately say that pot does have adverse affects on the mind if used in excess. Still though, at least in my case the usuage of alcohol seems to have had more of a powerful affect on me even though I seem to be very fortunate to not have a natural dispostion towards alcoholism.
IMO, the most damaging influence on my life through marijuana usage was the criminalization of the culture surrounding it. The drug itself is no more of a 'gateway' to harder substances than Jack Daniels is, but the associations with shady characters I developed in order to get the stuff definately is a gateway.
Like it or not, marijuana is smoked everywhere in the U.S. and if criminalization of its usage is not solving the problem, I say decriminalize it and try to minimize the damage it causes in the lives of people who don't need a criminal record. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 10:43:33 AM | If you legalized it tomorrow the strength would quickly escalate. Laws are there to protect the weak in society.
Monitoring, who do you think is going to monitor. If it’s legal, then it will be legal to grow, legal to distribute, who’s going to monitor this. It will be almost impossible to police. Already you have huge Vietnamese owned plantations popping up in rented houses in this country, each one makes an estimated ¼ million year in profit. If it was legal they would be popping up all over the place.
We already have huge problems with tobacco and alcohol consumption in the UK and the destruction it has on lives however, that culture is too entrenched in society to turn back the clock on, you really don’t want to be adding to the problem, or do you… | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 10:58:44 AM | God help your relative if he discovers alcohol.Weed is as addictive as gambling,it depends on the person not cannabis.
Holland has a huge problem? more than our country?
he became aggressive and I mean very aggressive.
His mental health or social problems cannot be caused by cannabis.He has mental health issues and should there for avoid any substance that can alter his mood.
If he is smoking it, forget talking to him, he won’t remember a thing you said.
He never really gave a sh*t about what any one said long before he smoked weed, is my conclusion . this guy needs help as the hundreds of smokers i have met in my life (most heavy skunk smokers) can lead a perfectly normal life style and are successful in business,reliable,honest ,nice ,friendly,helpful,polite people in general and fit into society even if having to hide there habit from there neighbours they are still decent people.
Of course you always get the guy who wants to abuse it and get of his head because of hidden issues and what ever you give him he would abuse.The easy way out is to blame the Weed . | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 11:10:48 AM |
He never really gave a sh*t about what any one said long before he smoked weed, is my conclusion . this guy needs help as the hundreds of smokers i have met in my life (most heavy skunk smokers) can lead a perfectly normal life style and are successful in business,reliable,honest ,nice ,friendly,helpful,polite people in general and fit into society even if having to hide there habit from there neighbours they are still decent people.
I used to live with my head up my ar$e and believe that once upon a time, after seeing it being smoked constantly by many of my mates for long periods of time, I no longer believe that. Only alcohlic's come out with similar crap like that. It's called denial | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/11/2009 8:33:14 PM | | i smoke pot on a daily baisis... from where i gre up, pot in nopt seen to be a bad thing... as a kid i got caught smokeing a few times, but the police told me to stop it out and go home, my parents grew for 30 years... my grandmother makes moon cookies that make shrooms look like powderd surger.... when i was 15, my old man leaned accross the couch, said... 15 now eh boy... i think your old enof to smoke marijawana.... i had 3 helping of super that night... but let me tell you ... pot has in no way made me less of a man, i am not stupid for my repeted use, my cousin smoke quite abit as well, he had collages calling his houce when he graduated, calling to ask him to come to thier collage, all exspences paid.... but he denied.... some may see that as a stupid desision, but he is just as sucsessful now as any collage cource could have gave him.... i dont exsactly think that it should be eagalized for the fact that the gover ment would just tax the shit out of it, just the same as liquer or smokes... but decrimanalized maybe.. it should gain a fruit and vegitable status.. you could grow and consume it, but never sell if for profit... i hate nothing more than trying to buy a bag, and have some nimrod try and sell me ex or coke at the same time... "oh if you buy both i could swing you a deal"... fvck that... i dont do drugs, ive seen hard drug mess alot of lives up, badly... but pot in my eyes, has neer hurt anybody | |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 9:01:28 AM | Hmm...effects of long term pot use.....check out Membranes post...and then the profile...and other posts....tell me it has "nothing to do with the pot". Please.
Sorry Membrane....I've seen the things long term use brings. I am certainly not impressed. I've seen freinds waste away their lives. Sure...it is their life...but they threw away so much potential. It hurts to see someone toss their lives away.
Perhaps pot should be legalized but grown ONLY by independant growers who have NO criminal records with drugs. Then tax it heavily.
No "corporate" growers allowed at all...keeps big tobacco out of it. The "user" assumes ALL liability associated with the product...meaning they can't sue growers or distributors.
Anyone hurt because of a pot user or their actions can ONLY sue the person directly responsible for their personal imbibing...meaning an innocent person who gets harmed cannot sue the grower, but CAN sue the user.
Just because a product is out there doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. Laws now seem to protect people well enough with new products...holding the manufacturer liable if needed. New drugs and such have their side-effects listed. If something real wierd came up...like the kids born without limbs...different story.Then the manufacturer could and should be held liable. But otherwise...no. | |
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