| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 11:16:41 AM |
Perhaps pot should be legalized but grown ONLY by independant growers who have NO criminal records with drugs. Then tax it heavily.
No "corporate" growers allowed at all...keeps big tobacco out of it. The "user" assumes ALL liability associated with the product...meaning they can't sue growers or distributors.
Anyone hurt because of a pot user or their actions can ONLY sue the person directly responsible for their personal imbibing...meaning an innocent person who gets harmed cannot sue the grower, but CAN sue the user.
Just because a product is out there doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. Laws now seem to protect people well enough with new products...holding the manufacturer liable if needed. New drugs and such have their side-effects listed. If something real wierd came up...like the kids born without limbs...different story.Then the manufacturer could and should be held liable. But otherwise...no.
SOCIALIST!!!! 
j/k... I like the idea but seriously... I'm afraid that whoever tries to accomplish a plan like this in America and manages to first push decriminalization past the neocons, will promptly be burnt at the stake as soon as he mutters the word 'corporations.' | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 5:31:29 PM | """Sorry Membrane....I've seen the things long term use brings. I am certainly not impressed. I've seen freinds waste away their lives. Sure...it is their life...but they threw away so much potential. It hurts to see someone toss their lives away.""""
low blow indeed, just goes to show you know nothing about long term marijawana use... i have never mety anybody hurt by marijawana directly, nor see anybody hurt by anyone on marajawana, ive see first hand the long therm use of coke, meth and exstacy... that screws somebody up, pot doesent... more poeople smoke pot than you could possibly emagion, lawers, doctors, police, cbc employes, i can go on... i bet there is a pot smoker in ever choisen field in this hear earth.... i agree with cyke... you have been curupted by the reffer madness video... "yeah im gonna slam on a piano, and murdure my wife, you point of view if flawed... wased life away? what are you talking about... im more sucsessful than most of the poeple i went to school with... i have a 75 grand plus yearly salary, i read alot, and research alot... i may not allways be right, but then again who is, defanatly not you!!!... i was watcing daily planet... a canadain science show.. and scientist where doing studies on a close relitive to thc, cause they canot experiment with thc directly... the gave mass quantities to rats over a prolonged piriod in time, the areas in the brian responcible for comunication and short term memory shrunk in size... sure, but only to make room for the growing areas in the brian responcible for problem solving and long term memory... i pisses me off when people view somthing like pot on the same levle of coke or meth... i bet you are hoped up on perscrition medicain, i bet your wife take anti depressants so she could deal with her life with you... just cause its leagalized doesnot mean its good for you.... i dont take any medication, pain relevers or anything of the sort... i dont even eat processed foods... the only thing that i do bad, |"to you standords" is smoke a little pot, i keep me levle headed, calms me in times of stress, and helps me sleep at night... but what ever... im not gonna argue a point with you anymore... paah, waist my life away with long term pot use... how much do you make a year... and how old are we? when im your age, if i keep going the way im going now, i will have a major multi national buisness pulling in more money than i know what to do with.. hah, waist my life away.. such a flawed mode of thinking | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 7:46:11 PM | this is a gross generalization! and not actually correct. Marijuana and tobacco do NOT share the same harmful chemicals! that is propaganda.
and, the single only reason marijuana is not is because the government(s) cannot agree on an effective way to control it. unlike tobacco, which they can and do control, regulate, tax, the cultivation of marijuana doesn't lend itself to this environment. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 7:50:15 PM | I do know several long-term marijuana users. it has not been a "gateway" drug for them - another common anti-marijuana argument. they lead productive, participatory lives. they own property, pay taxes and bills, work, etc. just like the rest of us.
I also have known alcoholics, prescription drug abusers and people whose lives have been wasted by a wide variety of hard drugs. these people have caused untold damage to others, wrecked cars, homes and families. some are dead! | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 7:54:35 PM | Reefer Madness is hilarious! I bought the remastered DVD of the original movie and also saw it done as a play when I was in St Louis a few years ago!
it is so much typical government propaganda: 'gateway drug', etc.
prohibition doesn't work and it never has. in fact, right now medical marijuana is legal in California and 11 other states.
hemp has a long and productive history. many organic farmers are trying to get this extremely useful plant (with little THC) back into production.
people need to stop being reactionary and stupid about marijuana. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 7:57:50 PM | in this thread, of course, any type of influence that causes a person's basic problems to become amplified is going to get the blame for that underlying (psychological) problem. someone is lazy, it's the pot. someone is crazy, it's the pot.
it would suit everyone if true and valid studies were conducted and the actual results released. that will not happen. the government, in fact, did begin this, and even the preliminary results were hushed up and the program defunded. I'm guessing because the research began to demonstrate little, if any, actual harm. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 8:01:48 PM | oh, and by the way, to any one here reading my posts ... NO, I do NOT smoke pot. not regularly, not even recreationally.
I do, however, support decriminalization, regulation, taxation and sanity around the cultivation, sale and use of marijuana.
I have been told that our prison population is about 90% drug related and a large percentage of that is for marijuana. that's an incredible amount of money that could be put to much better use. what does it cost the US taxpayer per year to house the average marijuana offender? about $30,ooo+! | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 8:15:03 PM | "" US taxpayer per year to house the average marijuana offender? about $30,ooo+! ""
really i did not realize that was such a problem in the states... canada is so much more libral on marajawana use... like i said, where im from in not see as bad... everybody does it, everybody... perents, family, freinds, nabours, strangers, passerthrews, locals... every one.... i cant see why it is such a huge offence just south of the border? | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 8:38:21 PM | I would happily support decriminalization of marijuana but vehemently oppose commercial production or taxation. As I posted earlier I wouldn't condone putting smoke of any kind into someone's lungs but sending someone to jail or prison for smoking and ruining their life over it is ridiculous. Therefore decriminalization. But if it's allowed to become commercially produced corporations will heavily promote its use in order to sell even more and make more money. If it is taxed government will become dependent upon the tax revenue therefore it wouldn't be in its best interest to discourage its use, encouraging its use in one form or another would create more revenue. Besides, taxes continue to increase, what good has it done overall?
Decriminalization, let people grow a few plants in their house and that's about it. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/12/2009 11:58:26 PM | I watched this documentary from a fairly respected producer here in the uk a few months ago .I will watch again and comment more accurately but i am sure the latest findings point to the fact our brains have a special opening that only cannabis can fill,its as if who ever designed the brain had cannabis in mind and gave us the ability to use it., watch.
BBC Horizon 2009 Cannabis Documentary 1 of 6 .Find on Utube | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 1:50:38 AM | Well, our brains naturally produce many of the chemicals which pot uses to affect the brain. And while pot affects different people in different ways, it is nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol. (I read an article recently that touted how the drug Ecstasy was better for you than alcohol.)
It may make some people violent, but that could be caused by something as simple as a mental imbalance that existed prior to pot use such as schizophrenia or panic disorder that was triggered by the pot use. I've lived in a small town where pot usage has been the norm for many, many years, and I've yet to meet the man who can smoke a joint and rob a liquor store. The best he'll do is learn how to play Guitar Hero on expert and gain a few pounds. I've seen it many, many times over. It's not the drug, it's the person. This goes for the addiction factor as well. Pot is NOT physically addictive. Mentally, sure, but it's probably the easiest drug to quit. I did, and never thought twice about it.
So yes, I believe pot should be legalized. Legalize it, tax it, even put regulations on it, by all means. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 2:50:43 AM | There's another factor that I haven't seen discussed yet. I firmly believe that the "PAP" (people against pot) are, to an extent a little jealous of how pot let's you "loosen up" in ways that differ greatly from alcohol and with far fewer (if any) physical effects. When you've "loosened up" enough with booze, you might pass out (or worse), but when you've loosened up on pot, you might be coerced into singing karaoke (embarassingly) but having a hellova good time...and oh, the munchies. My fantasy is, some day, having the power to put a touch of THC into every water supply in every Morman church in existence and just watching. Well, I wouldn't really do that but I'd just love to. Watching people unclench can be very rewarding at times
So yes, I believe pot should be legalized. Legalize it, tax it, even put regulations on it, by all means.
Agreed, but I also agree they should NOT allow it to be marketed. Period. I can just see the cover of Abercrombie and Fitch with a photo of a young couple and their two young children out camping at night, sitting around a lit campfire, smoking a joint, roasting marshmallows.....no no no say it isn't true.  | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 9:08:42 AM | I have seen the destruction that daily use of pot can cause, and in more than one case. You may choose to not recognize it or acknowledge it...but it most definitely there.
You may feel it is a "victimless" crime....nobody gets hurt, etc. Fine.
As I said, legalize it, and tax the heck out of it! Make it darn near illegal for the individual to grow (like tobacco...you can grow it yourself, but only for you...limited amount...but otherwise need a license).
No use trying to say it is NOT a gateway drug...the whole "drug culture" is based on pot at first...the other stuff is introduced later...hash...oil...a bit of cocaine in the oil to give it kick...smear a bit on a paper and roll a dube...wow.....yeah...again...tell me it isn't a gateway drug. You aren't even fooling yourself, forget anyone else.
I know I would not want some guy high on it while at work...especially if he was working with or near me. I wouldn't want a pilot doing it or a bus driver. I wouldn't want to be a soldier with a buddy like that out in the field...
So, make it legal...like alcohol...and keep it where it belongs...as an "afterwork" recreation. Certainly not a "waker-upper" fiorst thing in the morning as so many "long term users" do.
Having to get stoned just to face the day? What kind of life do they have??? Certainly not a "normal" one.
That is where most potheads get stuck...they know the drug makes them "feel good"....which is fine...but it is the FACT that they cannot live feeling bad that drives them back again and again. That is the hook...they don't want to feel bad. So...they get stuck on it.
Welcome to the human condition. It ain't all that pretty...but some of us actually live it and try to improve upon it. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 9:36:32 AM | ^^^^
There is nothing about pot itself that will make you want to try other drugs.
What makes it a gateway drug is that it is illegal, young people, thinking all illegal drugs are the same, they try pot and then believe that cocaine must be as safe.
If anything tobacco is a gateway drug. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 10:38:23 AM | | Reports over and over again have shown that pot is NOT a gateway drug. That's just another myth perpetrated by the "reefer madness" rubbish. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 10:53:29 AM | There are a number of things in society that should be legalized, controlled, and taxed....
Pot and prostitution are the first things that come to mind. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 11:43:03 AM | i have just watched BBC Horizon 2009 Cannabis Documentary 1 of 6 .Find on Utube.
This documentary will educate a few refer madness fans i am sure.
I personally will dismiss any info that "John" supplies as i think he is just taking the pi*s,he is cheating the benifit system or just having a laugh,or maybe he is just a waste of space dragging weed down with him ?i don't know but i have never heard of such laziness and lack of will.
Any way i think this program does explain a lot of what is discussed here.Smokers will find more positive notes than the reefer madness fans i am sure but the program does in my opinion state that weed taken responsibly will not harm you as long as you are 16+.
If children are smoking it then its education time not jail time for us adults that prefer weed to alcohol. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 4:05:36 PM | | give marijawana fruit and vegitable status, one could grow and consume it, but never sell for a profit... | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/13/2009 11:58:58 PM | 'There's an urban legend (haven't found it on snopes to confirm or deny) that Marlboro already has a factory built somewhere ready to go...' Quote AwP
Have heard the same 'legend' from a Phillip Morris Exec. I have no doubt - this was true. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/14/2009 2:06:05 PM | | The urban legend is that the tobacco companies have trade marked the names of different varieties like Accopulco Gold, Panma Red Ect. I've never heard of factories sitting idle, besides you could use the same machines to make joints instead of cigs. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/14/2009 5:45:34 PM | I can see it now.......
......driving by a billboard of the Marlboro Man firing up a big fat-ass blunt........
Then again maybe not. He died from smoking too many cigarettes, didn't he?   | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/15/2009 7:34:39 AM | | if they made pot legal the united states could tax the hell out of it bring back money to the united states, also it would work great on some illness, i dont smoke pot but i believe it should be legal cause are jails are over booked on stuff like it, drinking cause more harm then it and it can help cure illness, i say try it for a year see what happens. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/15/2009 9:32:42 PM | | Yes. For sure. Just don't let kids smoke it. The only thing that is bad about weed is that it makes you content with doing nothing. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/15/2009 9:56:33 PM |
i believe it should be legal cause are jails are over booked on stuff like it
All the more reason to keep it illegal. Many, if not all the prisons in the US are run as for-profit corporations that rely on being stuffed to capacity to make their money. I think you might find that at least one of the lobbys for keeping weed illegal will turn out to be the prisons themselves. | |
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