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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/30/2009 9:24:54 AM | I can see no reaon why alcohol should be legal and not canabis. The negative side effects from improper use of canabis are less sever than those of alcohol. Tobaco is even more dangerous than either of the forementioned drugs and yet is still legal.
Either alcohol and tobaco should be banned or pot and many other class C drugs should be legalised, to do otherwise simpley makes no logical sense as you can not ban one dangerous drug on health grounds whilst permiting another dangerous drug that has greater health implications to be sold. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/31/2009 8:26:58 AM | | Unlike other drugs Cannabis is very "special". It's specialty cannot be said, but it can be felt. The government knows this specialty, that's why they want to keep it illegal. Many tests have been ran on marijuana both chemically and physically(effects on human mind and physique as well). The government found something out and wants to suppress it, that's why they talk negative about it's effects...no i'm only kidding...lol...trying to make it sound like a conspiracy theory. I think it should be illegal and stay illegal. Its turns good families into dysfunctional ones (according to statistics blah blah). | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/31/2009 9:56:25 AM | ok, now you are just blurting out the old idioms of the pro-canabis movement which are in reality false.
It is estimated that 1% of the population have a deficiency within a set of 20 or so ish genes.
The accumulated and varying deficiencies across this gene set often gives rise to, under the correct conditions of stress and depression, any one of a number of mental dis-orders that fall into the umbrella term of schizophrenia.
More recently, the psychiatric community has developed what they call, "The dopamine theory" which boils down to the genetic inability of some brains to balance and re-balance effectively dopamine levels within the brain. However, it has been demonstrated that artificially re-balancing dopamine levels in the brain often effectively cures the state of delusion and hallucination suffered by schizophrenics and is theorised as the root of the problem, although we can't be sure as measuring brain chemistry is very difficult and dangerous.
Cannabis itself, or its active ingredient Tetrahydracanabiloli (THC) causes its chilled out buzziness and hallucinagenic properties via the immediate and apparent fact that it monkeys with dopamine levels in the brain.
Henceforth, I proclaim that we all smoke it so we can watch the rest of the 1% of the population that has not allready succumbed to their genetic time bomb go twisty insane...
or maybe not.
So, i hear you say, but 99% of the population would be fine?
Well, not really, since it can also cause anxiety, depression and paranioa in limited cases.
Add to that the fact that, when researched, is clearly far more carcinogenic than tabacco smoke (no really, it is. What your mate told you while he was sipping vodka by the shop corner is not difinitive proof) and you have something, that if smoked on mass would result in more deaths through lung cancer and other associated cancers that it may cause in a lifetime.
Cannabis is not the friendly, danger free drug people claim it to be.
Cannabis probably feels very special because dopamine is the nero-transmitter for reward. It is when, with our own internal measures we find ourself doing something right, we produce more dopamine. Its a chemical pat on the back that lets us know the world and we are all right and good and doing well.
{Flashes a red light at the southern end of the pond} | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 7/31/2009 9:47:31 PM | Hey, these are great statistics and information - but, the friendly, danger-free status could also not be applied to many other physically addictive substances, which are either readily available and/or culturally promoted. Physical addiction to any food product capable of pretty well guarenteeing 1 of 3 of the top medical conditions causing eventual death would be a prime candidate for illegality.
Meat
Alcool
Nicotine
to name 3.
In reference to the dopamine effect - the effect can, and is effected by 'cheery thoughts' - as well as through exoteric means. And the delivery can be an effect by proxy, like the rush people feel when gambling, or the thrill when shopping.
The questionable link between the 'deaths through lung cancer and other associated cancers', is pretty well equally applicable to the addiction to , say, meat, or alcohol, or white sugar, etc. etc...
I understand what you are saying, but, exclusively plucking this substance for its dangers, presents a biased take on the OP.
Yes, THC can 'bring on' psychiatric conditions in some people - but, I've seen some pretty weird reactions that some people have to alcohol (short term psychosis) on an ongoing, week to week timetable. And apart from the physical effects wreaked on the bodies of these individuals, the social damage - included, presents a fairly convincing argument for the treatment of this addictive and unhealthy substance to be treated in the same way as 'pot'.
cheers
galaxy | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 3:53:43 PM | Galaxy,
Of course moderation should be applied to all things. However, some products are more dangerous then others. It has been my arguement that the penaties for Canibas use, and posession should be lessened. That it should be used under the care of a doctor. Both point can be done rather easily by moving it to a lesser schedule of control substances.
 Cheers to you.
Gadget | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 4:51:46 PM | Galaxy,
Of course moderation should be applied to all things. However, some products are more dangerous then others. It has been my arguement that the penaties for Canibas use, and posession should be lessened. That it should be used under the care of a doctor. Both point can be done rather easily by moving it to a lesser schedule of control substances.
Cheers to you.
Gadget
Agreed Gadget.
It bothers me, though, that the debate of legality/illegality polarises to a debate on what is more or less dangerous. The lack of, and, overabundance of sugar in the system of a diabetic can be extremely dangerous - should sugar be given the same control - since not everyone is aware of thier true physical reaction to it? Add to this, the simple equation of an unbalanced diet - creating the circumstances for a type of diabetes to occur (as one example). The new one, of course is 'peanut allergy', causing possible death. Should they be scheduled?
The dangers of substances spoken of - are killers 'by degrees'. Or they are killers that have found a targeted victim, genealogically predisposed to, say, lung cancer, diabetes, schizophrenia, depression, etc. Some of these victims succumb quickly, some slowly, some not at all. Indeed, a number of all of these, succumb, having not partaken in any of the so-called 'dangerous' substances.
It's an interseting debate...
galaxy | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 5:40:07 PM | Galaxy,
You make a good point. However, in American politics, change has to done in steps. Also, unlike a diabetic, or someone with a peanut allergy not everyone knows the risks of usage. Americans are of the mind it is either harmless, or extremely toxic. Therefore, you would need the intermediate step of easying of penalities. This would allow for a true educational program to be developed for an OTC system.
cheers
Gadget | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 5:58:19 PM | You make a good point. However, in American politics, change has to done in steps. Also, unlike a diabetic, or someone with a peanut allergy not everyone knows the risks of usage. Americans are of the mind it is either harmless, or extremely toxic. Therefore, you would need the intermediate step of easying of penalities. This would allow for a true educational program to be developed for an OTC system.
cheers
Gadget
Again, agreed
...but shixteen yeers of bocksing never did me ani harm! | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 6:01:41 PM | | I never enjoyed using canibas, it usally made me paronoid. Maybe I had some bad stuff. So, I guess it boils down to genes. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 6:12:08 PM | | If you had slight paranoid tendencies before using pot, they'll be amplified afterward. That's what most people don't get. Pot doesn't MAKE you any more or less then you were before using it. All it does is amplify/intensify whatever you already are/feel/crave - nothing more - nothing less. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 6:17:02 PM | | Actually, I think it was laced with somehing. Hence, the heightened parnioia. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 8:12:38 PM | I never enjoyed using canibas, it usally made me paronoid. Maybe I had some bad stuff. So, I guess it boils down to genes.
There are two types of cannabis and both produce unique highs.
With in those types there are endless strains.
What you did was like eating a chocolate bar and saying from that you did not like food. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/1/2009 8:21:41 PM | If you had slight paranoid tendencies before using pot, they'll be amplified afterward. That's what most people don't get. Pot doesn't MAKE you any more or less then you were before using it. All it does is amplify/intensify whatever you already are/feel/crave - nothing more - nothing less. QUOTE Bluesman2008
This determination is applicable to all and any substance of questionable and non-questionable 'toxicity'.
It is indeed, noted, that paranioa is not exclusively or widely attributable to 'pot smokers'. The substance has been utilised throughout history as a focusing 'tool'. Hence the focusing of, already present, paranoic tendencies.
Non-'pot' smokers are equally availed of the paranoic tendencies under the right circumstances.
cheers
galaxy | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/2/2009 7:49:06 AM | | The paranoia probably came from thinking it was laced with something. All I want is to be able to grow it in my garden and enjoy it the same way my cats enjoy their catnip!! Without going to jail I might add!! | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/2/2009 8:19:15 AM | my response was not to the OP's original presentation of the question. it was directed at those people posting up claims that we should legalise pot because it is safe and healthy and speshil.
I simply wanted to iterate that it really is not.
However, as for control and rights of governments to dictate what i take into my body?
Pro choice movement and all that jazz? dunno..
Dunno about that one.
But then, couldn't we extend that to the availability of arsenic, morphine and diazapam.
Should all of them be made legal.
Where is the boundary of harm to oneself and society that puts one thing one the legal side and tother on tother?
As for failings of the past systems of ethics to stop alcohol and tobacco entering mainstream use that does not reflect upon our current collective awareness as to their present dangers but what we have is a whole stock of current addicts and their drug of choice is not now banned for several reasons...
they are nice, easily taxable sources of income that reduce life expectancy and the strain upon the medical system in later years.
Even if you did make them illegal, years of social conditioning and availability would have no impact on stopping them from being used and its enforcement would be impossible.
Black market trade in tobacco and alcohol products would only go to fuel organised crime instead of fuelling the governments tax coffers if they were made illegal.
Just because we allready have addictive, harmful products in mainstream use doesn't necessarily mean we should introduce/allow more now, does it? | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/2/2009 10:36:06 AM | | On my paronia after smoking Canibas, I beleived it was laced because it a single experinece while using the substance. The other times that I used, weren't enjoyable, for other reasons. I experimented with other substances durring my college years. I perfered some more then others. However, now in my maturity I know see how foolish that was. My opinions on drug abuse, and usage has been tempered by my experiences. This is why I have a negative opinion as to recreational use of narotics. This is not to say all narcotics are equal, thus, my earlier arguements on legalazation. As a general statement, narotic use is not just an individual choice. It destroys lives, and famlies. I have seen this first hand. I know that I may have to explain this in further detail. I do wonder about the gateway potential that canibas has, to more dangerous drugs. Yes, the same can be said about booze. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/2/2009 10:59:57 AM | | As far as a gateway drug, I believe it is a predispostion of genetics that causes people to try to find stronger drugs. What makes people try drugs to begin with? I include tobacco and alcohol in the drugs catagory. Does tobacco lead to alcohol and alcohol to pot? Or does Pot lead to cigarettes and alcohol????? | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/2/2009 12:23:25 PM | I think the UK's misuse of drugs act 1971 isnt complex enough in its legislation of controlled substances. Therefore amendments i think it needs, would be regarding Cannabis usage .
1 . Cannabis should be legal as a sacrament for usage by an individual to carry out their religion. the united nations human rights act , has a religious freedom act where controlled substances are allowed eg peyote in US peyote churches , in europe the santo daime churches use of ayashuasca, so why not cannabis for schools of rastafarianism ? or other religions where cannabis is used as a sacrament ?
2. Cannabis should be legal and i think maybe ? where it is used for medical purposes
3. Cannabis convictions, custodial sentences, fines, cautions etc should be less when the defendant can prove they have no previous criminal records for any other crime or incident relating to other drug use , when the above points 1 and 2 cant be used as a reason for usage.
i personally think that Cannabis in the forms of just indica and sativa weed not skunk varieties or resins or oils should be decriminalised and taxed from licensed outlets this way generating income to help treat people who have problems assoiciated with its usage . Also to provide a controlled setting for quality control and pricing , which in turn would create 1000's of jobs nationwide , and remove a large portion of the illegal cannabis market , age restrictions should apply and health warnings on packets , a responsible government should say to its people its trying to lead and set an example to that " we are not saying that cannabis usage is safe, rather the truth is cannabis usage is rampant in the uk therefore we are going to provide quality control and licence its usage in an attempt to provide a harm minimisation perspective on the issue " and couple this move with a advert and internet leaflet campain outlining the harms caused by cannabis usage
because the fact is wether cannabis is legal or illegal millions of people in the uk and also worldwide are using it everyday getting low quality badly grown types causing more problems in the long run and helping maintain illegal markets | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/3/2009 12:04:36 AM | | At least for those of us in California who want to see it legalized, let's stop talking about it and start doing something about it! Join me. Make some noise. Make your opinion known. Call your congressmen/women and tell them what you want done. They're not going to support it unless their constituents speak up. So please - speak up. Believe me. When the people speak, they have to listen. If they don't, you know where your next vote goes and why and exactly how to test the next applicant for the job. | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/4/2009 7:36:50 PM | | like i said a thousand time, what the big deal... people should be able to grow pot like any other plant... the naturaly law of life... if an orginism has the ability, it there for has the right... and some may say.. its the way god intended... these "people" who so called waist thier life smoking pot, would have done soo regardless... and its a well known fact.. some poeple cant handle pot... some just take to it funny, or dont take at all... this is like everything from alchohal to medicine... and further more the only reason it is not leagal today is because the goverment doesent know how to tax it, and because the people who helped outlaw it in the late thirties had money in the companies making products to replace hemp, nilon rope, plastics, papers... at the time hemp couldent be patented, and thes other products could... times have changed... it was origionaly a war againt hemp, but the proahbition offercers needed another ghost to chase... and roosevelt's right hand man annslinger hated hated jazz musissions who by sterotype at the time where mostly black, and mostly smoke pot... then over time they to have goten the avrage people to have heated debats over somthing soo futile... its pot, smoke it if you got it, and if you dont like my fire... dont come around, basic.... why the confusion | |
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| Should Pot be legal?
Posted: 8/4/2009 10:21:18 PM | | Yes pot should be legal. Alcohol should actually be looked at more closely re: damage to the psyche. (etc.) The potent strains of marijuana now being grown actually are like a good psychiatric check-up. You do not get away with lying to yourself. Alcohol helps you immensely to deny and lie, then kills you physically. Other than some questions about your lungs, marijuana is beautiful to look at and with the many strains, a possible delight. You can choose to skip the the psychiatric check-up! | |
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