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Posted: 7/27/2009 6:29:01 PM |
How much do stock do you put in signs?
None.
What are you best matches and are the same type of people that astrology claims you’re most compatible with?
I don't have "best matches." I don't know what signs most people are, even if I know their birthdays. I only know if they're born around my birthday, they're likely to be the same as me (because I think I'm sort of in the middle of that period). Let's just say that I wouldn't be a good match for anyone of any sign who takes astrology seriously. Is that a Scorpio thing?
Some astrology artwork is quite pretty, though. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 6:32:35 PM | | I find astrology (e.g. Linda Goodman's books) entertaining, the way I can find a novel entertaining. I figure it can be another topic of conversation, if you're really desperate for something to talk about. How much stock I may or may not put in it - that's just another opinion I tend to keep to myself. Live and let live, lol. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 6:43:09 PM | well, certainly you would have to go deeper than just sun sign, asc. and moon at the very least, how deep to dig?
I like to try to believe that everyone is everything, but some things are in sharper focus, others quite fuzzy. But, I am not sure, I have evolved more in K.I.S.S idea as I age.... | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 6:51:25 PM |
well, certainly you would have to go deeper than just sun sign, asc. and moon at the very least, how deep to dig?
In my study I have their birthdate and time if known, and place of birth. I use all 24 positions.
As I said above though, when you are reading a "deeper" chart, it is meant to be perceived as more thorough. The truth, though, is that it becomes more general.
For example, I am an Aries. Say I don't identify with Aries, so I take a proponent's advice to get my Natal Chart. Now I have the opportunity to identify with Scorpio, Taurus, Aquarius, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Virgo, Libra and Cancer. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 6:59:16 PM | Ok, you have scorp asc.? I do with moon as well on asc. It seems to me to explain my tendancy to be more blunt than a Libran.( why those single moms seem to hate me? lol)
Venus & Mars in Virgo on MC seems to twist things as well. Today when I ran the conception chart, I found moon in Libra, Venus & Mars in the sign of the fish, the opposite from birth chart ...made me go hmmm....curious. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 7:01:56 PM |
If you've taken a real Myers-Briggs test (http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/take-the-mbti-instrument/), it is very accurate.
What's interesting, is that I think they might use the same marketing house as astrologers and psychics!
I mean, they all give you a "personal astrologer/psychic/interpreter" to explain the meaning behind their craft! Whether it be, interpreting your natal chart, palm, or Myers-Briggs type.
All of these people said their Zodiac description matched their M-B Type description pretty much to a T.
I have taken the M-B test a few different times. Often getting a different type. And each time thinking the description matching me to a T.
What you may fail to realize, is that these tests are manipulatable, by the taker.
A person answers these questions, on the test, based on what they think/feel at that point in time
Life, moods and life experiences change a person daily. So the person may not think/feel the same way all day, every day.
So, that would alter their type because the would answer differently at different times.
BTW, the most common type I hit, is ENFJ. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 7:15:02 PM |
What's interesting, is that I think they might use the same marketing house as astrologers and psychics!
I mean, they all give you a "personal astrologer/psychic/interpreter" to explain the meaning behind their craft! Whether it be, interpreting your natal chart, palm, or Myers-Briggs type.
MBTI is a type indicator - it gives an indication of your preferred mode of operating, not a strict definition of the way you are. It readily admits that people change, people react differently based on where they are, who they are with and how they got out of bed this morning. They also provide percentages of each area, so you know how seriously to take each description.
I have taken the M-B test a few different times. Often getting a different type. And each time thinking the description matching me to a T.
What you may fail to realize, is that these tests are manipulatable, by the taker.
Do you change jobs a lot or just like to spend a lot of money on profiling yourself? Unless it's a real M-B test, I don't count it as legitimate for my purposes, even if you end up taking a real one and the result is the same.
I have taken the M-B test 3 times in my life. Every single time I thought I would be something different than I turned out to be, and every single time I turned out to be an ENFP. So even though my values, views and my life has changed dramatically over the past 8 years, my tendency to act the way I do is the same. I also always answer honestly. I don't want a job where I am going to do poorly at, and I want it to be accurate. My percentiles are very polar, so I take them to be very accurate. The best job I've ever had used the MBTI to hire. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 7:15:16 PM | I 1st took M-B, when considering going back to school in my 30's along with another test to see what I might be when i grow up. I failed ! ha!
I was deemed an INTP, 1% of population.
Or, I will say I was quite limited ...many become famous posthumously. What a thing to live for???
I took the test again 10 yrs later , was same except, the "I" might have become an" X".
But, I would bet I am deep back into "I" now.
However, when taking the test, I railed at many of the questions, as I saw them as being very circumstantial. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 7:18:13 PM |
A person answers these questions, on the test, based on what they think/feel at that point in time
Good catch. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 7:31:13 PM | MBTI is a type indicator - it gives an indication of your preferred mode of operating, not a strict definition of the way you are. It readily admits that people change, people react differently based on where they are, who they are with and how they got out of bed this morning. They also provide percentages of each area, so you know how seriously to take each description.
"preferred mode of operating? And astrology doesn't? 
You could substitute MBTI for Astrology, in that statement, and it would read accurately, with one exception.
I guess astrology doesn't offer up percentages.
Honestly though, MBTI reads like science's version of fortune-telling.
So, instead of telling someone that my sign is Virgo........I should tell em that my sign is ENFJ?!?!?!?! | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 7:35:17 PM |
"preferred mode of operating? And astrology doesn't?
No, astrology offers a definition of the way you are, based on when you were born.
MBTI offers an idea of how you approach situations, based on how you answer questions stating how you would approach given situations.
Honestly though, MBTI reads like science's version of fortune-telling.
Psychology is study of the mind and human behavior.
Astrology is the study of human behavior and how it is affected by celestial beings.
MBTI does not read like a fortune-telling, because it is based on how you answer the test questions.
So, instead of telling someone that my sign is Virgo........I should tell em that my sign is ENFJ?!?!?!?!
You can tell people whatever you want.
An MBTI is only as accurate as the test taker's answers. A Zodiac sign is only as accurate as the date you were born. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 8:07:30 PM | To reply to your earlier post about Leo and Taurus. I am a Leo and know quite a bit about Taurus. Actually, we are both quite opposite and are not usually compatible for a lasting relationship according to the books.
First of all, we both compete for first place, both are quite stubborn, and Leo is more social than Taurus. The great thing about Taurus is they are very dependable. Leo can be both- dependable and very undependable. Taurus is generally very genuine, very determined, confident and it takes a LOT to move them. Leo's are just as stubborn I, being a Leo simply have Taurus in one of my houses, and can get a long with them quite well. But a book won't tell me that-- a chart will.
So, a relationship with a Taurus for me, would not be all about fireworks when it comes to the emotional department of common everyday life happenings. The Taurus star shines quite brightly in the tone for the finer things in life and he can get quite bored with the status quo. They are not built for the everyday scenario in that way--which is a bad emotional outlet for a Leo. It takes understanding with wisdom. if you are a Leo in a relationship with a Taurus. Taurus needs someone that they don't have to pamper 24 hours a day, although they do that very thing with their children. Leo's don't. Leo's tend to let children learn from their hard choices. It's a good thing I have Taurus in my seventh house, because this aspect keeps me grounded, otherwise-- I would fly off the page to never-never land. ( or never stay grounded-aloof, etc). I could that very easily if I wanted to. I can go both ways, but choose grounded--but have been both (but never in a relationship) -- again, that is from a chart reading
Leo can have up to 122 partners depending on what kind of Leo they are, and that is from a book.
Actually, Leo and Taurus are a lot alike. In some ways this causes them to butt heads. In other ways, they can identify with each other and make good friends.
You can't strong arm them and they can be stubborn. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 8:29:37 PM |
MBTI does not read like a fortune-telling, because it is based on how you answer the test questions.
No. It reads like a fortune-telling because an "Interpreter" is required to interpret how you answered the test questions and what it all means! | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 8:34:09 PM | ^^^
Fortune-telling is the practice of predicting the future, usually of an individual, through mystical or supernatural means.
The MBTI assessment is a psychometric questionnaire designed to measure psychological preferences in how people perceive the world and make decisions, and it is readily admitted that it is circumstancial based on the individual's situation at the time of assessment.
When employers start using fortune-tellings instead of MBTI's for hiring purposes, then we can compare them with seriousness. Until then, apples and oranges, my friend. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 8:54:14 PM | Leo can have up to 122 partners depending on what kind of Leo they are, and that is from a book.
Hmmmm wondering what kind of Leo I really am. 
I started on Leo and Taurus but decided to let that go for now. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 9:54:56 PM | I read your post, and understand your relationship with Taurus. Each Leo is different, but Leo relies heavily on emotional support and it sounds like you might have had that problem in your relationship.
To the other poster-
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And yes, I know that Leo isn't a good match for Virgo. Neither is Cancer, Gemini, or Aries
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Gemini is suppose to be the ultimate sign for a Leo. Aries can keep up with a Leo. Virgo is 30 days after Leo and Cancer is 30 days before.. There are such things as as cusps. Cancer/Leo and Leo/Virgo can be cuspers, so that statement is redundant. Aries is a fire sign and is as fast as Leo. Since Aries is the baby of the Zodiac, I would think that would be one of the biggest challenges for a Lion. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 10:57:26 PM |
For example, I am an Aries. Say I don't identify with Aries, so I take a proponent's advice to get my Natal Chart. Now I have the opportunity to identify with Scorpio, Taurus, Aquarius, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Virgo, Libra and Cancer.
But there are still only 9 planets used, they don't land at random, and they are not of equal significance. Their significance could easily be looked at according to distance and size. The Sun and Moon are significant for these reasons, the largest body and the closest body - I believe to look at this honestly these kinds of things would have to be taken into account. You can't simplify things like this and say now the whole zodiac can describe you. Sun Moon and Ascendant (not a planet of course) have traditionally been given most importance, and then the 'traditional' planets from Mercury to Saturn are also significant. The outer planets are given less focus, and have more abstract meanings. So you have a chance of identifying with 2 more signs (Moon and Ascendant) and anything beyond that would not be very significant UNLESS there is more than one planet in that sign. So if you don't identify with Aries and find that you in fact only have the Sun there and 5 planets in Scorpio, and you find Scorpio does describe you more accurately, how could you not be convinced? But if you didn't identify with either, than yes, I would remain skeptical.
Finding my Ascendant in Virgo and Saturn in Virgo conjunct the Ascendant was the most significant part of my natal chart and the biggest reason why I started paying attention to astrology - because I was going through my Saturn Return and wanted to understand wtf was going on. By the way - if I had not known I was late from my due date, I would have placed my conception chart with the Sun in Libra - and since Libra has very little influence in my birth chart, it would have been far more difficult to justify. The fact that it's in Virgo makes it make more sense.
I forgot to respond to this awhile back about putting songs to films and watching the correlations. All of my films are silent until the end, and I test several songs to give to musician to tell them what I want. I know very well this phenomena and there are 2 things to note on it. 1 is that because music has beats that are higher than 1 beat a second with a stronger beat at least every 2 seconds - and so on, depending on the rhythm, of course the chance of their being a correlation between many actions on screen and the regular timing of music is high. However, there ARE definitely some songs that correlate with a much higher frequency, some songs seem to be more harmonious with some films to an unsual degree.
By the way I read 2 more charts - my brothers' and a random one generated by the info already in the boxes with the addition of being born in Manhattan. Not only were they totally unlike me, I in fact didn't like this randomly generated person at all because of how opposite it was.
I understand how MB works, I've taken it half a dozen times and am INFP except once in Junior High when they changed the marking system for girls and boys and so I came out as an INTP.
How are you making the comparison between the 2? Have you divided the zodiac into different types?
I did read 1 study on the astrologers who were unable to guess the charts of others based on personality. However, i feel this reflects astrologers more than astrology. I still feel more research should be done on the different parts of astrology to find out WHICH parts of it are more accurate than others. Don't you think if there's any validity at all to astrology it should be identified and used? I also found a critical look at this study by Ertel Carlson's study. http://www.theoryofastrology.com/ertel_carlson.htm
Some other organizations dedicated to astrological study and research, which I'm sure is not exhaustive.
http://www.astrology-research.net/
http://www.astrostar.com/astrologyresearch.htm | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 11:51:52 PM |
How are you making the comparison between the 2? Have you divided the zodiac into different types?
I didn't think about the ladder, but I haven't decided if that is relevant.
I am comparing type indicators to zodiac signs in all 24 areas, seeing if there is a common denominator. I am also comparing the perceived notion that people have that their sign is an exact match to their Type Indicator and seeing if there are trends in that.
So you have a chance of identifying with 2 more signs (Moon and Ascendant) and anything beyond that would not be very significant UNLESS there is more than one planet in that sign. So if you don't identify with Aries and find that you in fact only have the Sun there and 5 planets in Scorpio, and you find Scorpio does describe you more accurately, how could you not be convinced? But if you didn't identify with either, than yes, I would remain skeptical.
The signs I listed are all from my birth chart. I'll put an X if I identify with it mostly, an I if I kind of do, and an O if I don't.
Sun Aries 16.38 X
Ascendant Pisces 2.54 I
Moon Scorpio 1.08 X
II Aries 24.17 X
Mercury Aries 11.25 R X
III Taurus 25.14 O
Venus Aries 12.29 R X
IV Gemini 17.01 X
Mars Taurus 16.02 O
V Cancer 6.28 X
Jupiter Aquarius 11.52 I
VI Cancer 28.36 X
Saturn Scorpio 27.24 R X
VII Virgo 2.54 O
Uranus Sagittarius 17.54 R X
VIII Libra 24.17 O
Neptune Capricorn 3.38 R X
IX Scorpio 25.14 X
Pluto Scorpio 3.50 R X
Midheaven Sagittarius 17.01 X
Lilith Aries 23.40 ?
XI Capricorn 6.28 I
Asc node Taurus 18.40 ?
XII Capricorn 28.36 X
Here is my random person chart, December 7, 1978 (12:43PM) Sydney, Australia
Sun Sagittarius 14.36 X
Ascendant Pisces 16.03 X
Moon Pisces 15.16 X
II Aries 12.17 X
Mercury Sagittarius 11.47 R X
III Taurus 12.21 O
Venus Scorpio 8.44 X
IV Gemini 14.45 X
Mars Sagittarius 25.45 X
V Cancer 17.16 X
Jupiter Leo 8.51 R X
VI Leo 18.02 X
Saturn Virgo 13.39 I
VII Virgo 16.03 O
Uranus Scorpio 18.24 X
VIII Libra 12.17 O
Neptune Sagittarius 17.55 X
IX Scorpio 12.21 X
Pluto Libra 18.38 X
Midheaven Sagittarius 14.45
Lilith Leo 6.03 ?
XI Capricorn 17.16 I
Asc node Virgo 22.55 ?
XII Aquarius 18.02 O
See my issue? I related almost equally to both. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2009 11:59:00 PM |
Fortune-telling is the practice of predicting the future, usually of an individual, through mystical or supernatural means.
The MBTI assessment is a psychometric questionnaire designed to measure psychological preferences in how people perceive the world and make decisions, and it is readily admitted that it is circumstancial based on the individual's situation at the time of assessment.
Well, thanks for the definitions, though unnecessary and uncalled for.
So, I Google'd ENFJ and went to the first link
http://www.personalitypage.com/ENFJ.html
Which, to me, reads like a fortune-telling or natal chart reading.
Maybe the MBTI is meant to describe, but it's used to predict human behavior.
Until then, apples and oranges, my friend.
Uh.......your beloved science should tell you that apples and oranges have more SIMILARITIES than DIS-similarities. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:08:37 AM |
Well, thanks for the definitions, though unnecessary and uncalled for.
You're not the only reader. I tend to speak to an audience, rather than directly to an individual in a public forum.
Which, to me, reads like a fortune-telling or natal chart reading.
Maybe the MBTI is meant to describe, but it's used to predict human behavior.
Again, a Natal Chart reading is based on your birthdate. You have no control over the outcome.
Your interpretation of your own answers to a series of circumstantial questions is only going to hold as much weight to you as your honesty in answering the questions; or how relevant you find the questions. Many people answer the questions to get a job, so they will pick what they perceive to be the "right" answer for the job they are trying to get. That is the fault of the test taker if they then don't identify with the outcome.
How it is used in the professional world actually works well, so I don't find fault in it. I can understand that others might, though.
Uh.......your beloved science should tell you that apples and oranges have more SIMILARITIES than DIS-similarities.
It's an idiom, and it is a normative statement, not a descriptive one. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:12:52 AM | bosox
Do you get into numerology as well as Astrology? and what about Destiny/Love Cards? | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:22:05 AM | lol, no disrespect, but astrology cracks me up.
Pluto has an orbital period of 248 years, so it hasn't even gone through a single complete pediod since its discovery in 1930. Same for Neptune.
Yet astrologists claim to know how Pluto and Neptune's position in the sky at the moment of your birth will affect your life.
Seriously, do all people born on the same day (hour, year, whatever) have similar events happen to them everyday for the rest of their lives?
Astrologists simply exploit the ignorance of people. To those of you being exploited, I apologize, I probably won't be able to convince you. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:24:48 AM |
Do you get into numerology as well as Astrology? and what about Destiny/Love Cards?
No.
The only time I play cards is when I sit at a Texas-Hold 'Em tournament, but I never gamble. :D | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:29:59 AM | I believe there's a bit of logic to this whole astrology theory....
I'm an aquarius but I can't stomach dating aquarian men. Most of their traits annoy me like indecisiveness, distance, and loner mentality. I'm not a fan of libras either their symbol is the scales cause the seem unbalanced to me...Taurus men are way too stubborn from what i've experienced.
I would say my best relationships were with: Leo's & Cancers both were truly dedicated and persistant...
I want to try a Scorpio they seem like they will be a challenge plus we tend to hold good conversations.. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:30:24 AM |
See my issue? I related almost equally to both.
What I noticed is that in both you, and the random one...
You X=15
Rnd X=15
Out of 24 possible correlations you and the random both have a better than 50% hit....
Which shows how they are set up to seem like they match YOU.... no matter who YOU is.... | |
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