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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 3:57:37 AM | Sarah Palin is leaving office a few steps ahead of an ethics investigation which probably will not turn out well for her.
That aside, this gives her 2 years to press-the-flesh and fill up the piggy bank with speaking fees.
Any reasonable person could not take a candidate with such limited political experience seriously as a presidential nominee. However, it wouldn't bother the very people who like her- further proof that anyone who supports Sarah Palin for national office is in need of a serious political education (for starters). | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 4:07:18 AM | | The Media is to blame for a lot of problems in today's politics. They may report facts, but they skew the facts to make their position or candidate look better. If the media dislikes someone then look out it doesn't matter what that person says or does. The Media has to sell so they sensationalize to hook their audience. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 4:14:54 AM |
Bush pretty much acted like a liberal while in office. I've said this many times and no left wingers ever dispute it.
No, Bush didn't act like a "liberal"- he didn't act like a true conservative. Don't make the false assumption that if he didn't live up to one ideal that he must have been the opposite of it. And you need to talk to more "left wingers" than you do.
You have one person who's talking about getting rid of the income tax, cutting back on welfare, ending our ridiculous massive spending and cutting taxes in general, and on the other side you would have Obama who's talking about raising taxes, expanding government further and increasing spending. It would be a clear choice for America.
You need some help, man. Get rid of the income tax? Hmm, how exactly are we paying for anything then? That is the position of loony right-wingers who have apparently never seen a goverment budget. And anyone who complains about "welfare" obviously has never seen who really gets it (kids and their mothers) and just how big a part of the budget it is (answer- not very). And you DO know that the bulk of that "ridiculous massive spending" is the military, right?
True change would have been to reduce government. Very few liberals understand this.
Really? First of all- the two biggest parts of the goverment are Social Security/Medicare and Defense. So your "true change" would have to take away $ from your grandparents (fat chance) and reduce the military. Are conservatives signing up for that? And it took a liberal to bring this up.... Oh, BTW, "true change" would be to stop the undue influence that monied interests have, all the legal bribery known as campaign spending and lobbying. Something conservatives always fight against changing, unless it's from the unions.
I think they flat out just blindly followed him.
That would be the George W. Bush story.
The best thing the Republicans can do in 2012 is run on the "Real change is reducing government" slogan.
That's a laugh. Oh, BTW, since it really was "less goverment" that put us in our current economic bind (the repeal of the Glass-Stengal Act), I would look forward to the GOP running on just that.
Not to mention Romney looks like every used car salesman I've ever seen in my life.
On this we are in agreement. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 4:27:59 AM |
kinda makes you honestly wonder why they are so afraid of her.
Er, it's not "afraid of her." Rather, it's "afraid of someone like her actually getting somewhere in goverment because so many people in this country are apparently astonishingly ignorant." This country can't afford to have people that dense in charge of ANYTHING, and it's become MY problem (and everyone else's) that this isn't breathtakingly obvious and we have to point it out.
Case in point- your entire second paragraph about "forigen" policy. I mean, you realize that that her response was completely idiotic, RIGHT?
you gotta give her credit with handling everything thats been thrown at her with the dignity that shes shown.............
She gets no credit, she hasn't been "dignified", and she's deserved the attacks that have come her way.
nor has she attacked the ones attacking her
Apparently you missed about every speech she gave on the campaign trail last fall, not to mention one at the Republican Convention. She attacked plenty of people, but I guess she can only dish it out and not take it in. Whatever you're taking that makes you write stuff like this, you'd better ease up. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 8:34:28 AM |
Any reasonable person could not take a candidate with such limited political experience seriously as a presidential nominee. However, it wouldn't bother the very people who like her- further proof that anyone who supports Sarah Palin for national office is in need of a serious political education (for starters).
Take out Sarah and put in Obama in this statement... and all you guys who think your experts elected someone just like what your talking about. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 9:13:00 AM | It that was her "thought process' then,IMHO, she may wish to "rethink" that.
I think that she has,yet again,proven why she unqualified for higher office.
Maybe she'll get a talk radio show.
You don't have to be very bright to get one of those. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 9:29:20 AM | The only fear I had of Sarah Palin was the image of her in the White House with her finger on the button--'cuz she was mavericky like that.
Americans can be a fickle bunch--electing a woman who looks fabu in a skirt and heels, yet has no real history politically, is just one of the odd things we might do.
Attacking President Obama because you feel that Palin was done dirty by the 'left-leaning' media is just silly. And it sounds like whining. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 11:32:05 AM | Absolutely. We need some one in office that loves America and the ideas that has made America great. Someone who understands that the government was not meant to support the lazy at the expense of the productive. Some one who understands that freedom is doing the things you want with the fruit of your labor. Not doin as you please with the fruits of another's labor.
Someone who actually believe's in the defense of this nation. Not sell us out to any unskilled and unproductive person who can find his or her way across our borders illegally.
Someone that understands that peace is only possable in the position of strength. And someone who believes in the sovergnty of the USA.
So whether Palin or someone else with a truley patriotic heart I will support. We need to get the statists out of Government. Obama and all his left wing crazies have got to go. We need to defend Liberty. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 11:42:56 AM |
Not sell us out to any unskilled and unproductive person who can find his or her way across our borders illegally.
So you don't want them in your country, but it's perfectly fine to elect them to the presidency?
Sarah Palin is so used to getting by on her looks/being a woman that now that it's not working for her, she's playing victim.
This is NOT a woman who dedicated herself to public service, doing the right thing, getting an education, learning about her country and how best to serve it.
To me, it seems like she just got up one day and pulled a Ned Flanders-ish
"hidy-ho Alaskans, I'm feeling mavericky and want to be governor. Wouldn't that be good, you betcha (wink)... doodly-do. "
And now that people are seeing through her bullshite, she's pulling the "everyone's picking on me" card.
Gosh darn those elite-y intellectualism type persons who expect people in office to know what the job description is, or to expect their vice-president to be able to read!It's not HER fault she's a quitter.. it's that dirty liberal media who has the nerve to report things that are TRUE about her. How dare they! | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 11:52:15 AM |
No, Bush didn't act like a "liberal"- he didn't act like a true conservative. Don't make the false assumption that if he didn't live up to one ideal that he must have been the opposite of it. And you need to talk to more "left wingers" than you do.
You carefully say this, yet do not respond to any of the things I listed that Bush did that I label as liberal. My parents are liberals, and my two best friends are liberals. I was a liberal for most of my life until the beginning of the 21st century, when I began educating myself.
Get rid of the income tax? Hmm, how exactly are we paying for anything then? That is the position of loony right-wingers who have apparently never seen a goverment budget. And anyone who complains about "welfare" obviously has never seen who really gets it (kids and their mothers) and just how big a part of the budget it is (answer- not very). And you DO know that the bulk of that "ridiculous massive spending" is the military, right
We cut spending, everywhere. We end our global empire. It's entirely possible. Just look at all the states who are going bankrupt. All of them have state income taxes. Reduce governmnt, reduce spending, give the power back to the people.
There's nothing crazy about freedom.
First of all- the two biggest parts of the goverment are Social Security/Medicare and Defense. So your "true change" would have to take away $ from your grandparents (fat chance) and reduce the military.
Why do I bother standing up for the Constitution when we have fools saying things like this? We should reduce our foreign policy spending and absolutely abolish Social Security and Medicare.
"true change" would be to stop the undue influence that monied interests have, all the legal bribery known as campaign spending and lobbying. Something conservatives always fight against changing, unless it's from the unions.
No it wouldn't. I don't blame the people who advertise. I blame the sheep who blindly follow the nominated candidates.
Do you know that just over ten percent of America votes in the primary season? That means that McCain and Obama were chosen by1/10th of our country. Then everyone rushes out in the general election to vote for someone that around five percent of our country selected. The problems with America are the blind people who vote and do not understand what they are doing. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 11:54:21 AM | Palin has already killed any hopes for the 2012 election. She might face Romney and Huckabee who can both say that they were Governors when they ran in 2008. G.W. can say the same. Actually, there are quite a few Governors who never quit their post so they can go make money out on the "speaking trail." If she ends up with even more speaking engagements, then she is not only a quitter who abandoned her constituents, she woulsd also be a sellout. But, that would go well with the Conservatives who would allow all the senior citizens starve just so they can save a buck. Conservatives are slaves to the almighty dollar, and they spew off about being the moral party. If selfishness is a moral trait then they are Saints.
To the poster below, you realize she would never get past the Republican Primary right. Also, negative comments aren't slander if they are fact. I haven't seen anyone making things up about Palin. Please get your head out of the sand. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 12:19:15 PM |
But facts are always missing from thier attacks.
How is pointing out gross incompetency an attack? It's not slander if it's true dude.
The woman is borderline retarded, and I'm pretty sure answering those hard-hitting gotcha questions from Katie Couric were nowhere NEAR as hard as being in the Oval Office... and she couldn't even do that right and without getting all butthurt about it.
"They're coming after me... they're asking me about my periodicals. My periodicals are none of their business! I bet they don't ask the MEN about their periodicals. This is an outrage.. I"m a hockey mom/pitbull/grandmother with a disabled child and I will NOT stand for this bullying! Scrumdiddlyumptious! (wink)"
The woman is a walking SNL skit; a non-blonde blonde. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 12:47:18 PM |
Most idiots like attacking Sara Palin. But facts are always missing from thier attacks. But Palin is definately a threat. The idiotic left can't stop thier slanderous attacks on her.
Researching, asking questions, discussion, neither equals 'attack', nor 'slander'.
If I were to label someone an 'idiot', I would first look at those who support a man/woman without any political savvy--a person who could not come up with ONE Supreme Court decision--a person who used his/her own attack mode, rather than enumerate the many and varied ways he/she would approach leading this country back to being the strong nation we once were.
Sarah Palin is not stupid. She chose to be in the limelight. Do you think it's any more comfortable to be Barack Obama right now, than it is to be Sarah Palin? BOTH of these politicians chose to be where they are.
You simply cannot be attacked if you are not a target.
Thus spake Zarathustra. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 2:03:37 PM |
Take out Sarah and put in Obama in this statement... and all you guys who think your experts elected someone just like what your talking about.
But Obama doesn't fit that statement. He certainly has MORE experience than Palin. I understand that partisans want to act like the "executive" experience of being mayor of a small town and then govenor of one of our smallest states (population-wise, naturally) somehow trumps time spent in the Illinois state senate and then the US Senate, but it doesn't.
BTW- it's "you're" not "your". | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 2:06:39 PM |
We need some one in office that loves America and the ideas that has made America great.
Like poaching? ROFLMAO!
Someone who understands that the government was not meant to support the lazy at the expense of the productive.
Like getting your new BIL a job and then insuring he gets fired when he leaves the family. Is that the theme to "The Godfather" playing in the background?
Some one who understands that freedom is doing the things you want with the fruit of your labor. Not doin as you please with the fruits of another's labor.
Like building a sports complex on disputed lands or adding on to your house without obtaining the proper permits or charging the state per diem cuz one CHOOSES to remain in their familial domicile instead of occupying the residence provided for the holder of the office...
Since she hit the national political scene I've been convinced she and her family abused the authority of her office. I reviewed transcripts of many interviews conducted in just one of the investigations and believe evidence exists for an indictment. I'm more shocked that it hasn't happened yet than by her resignation. She should have been impeached, and she has no one to blame but herself for the stupid antics she orchestrated for personal vendettas while in office. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 2:27:15 PM | | I doubt you would find more than one person in a hundred who thinks Palin has a chance to be anything other than a shill for the religious loonies, no offence to the Canadian dollar. Ya know, America just loves a quitter. I had a hard time listening to her resignation speech and I thought W was dumb but she's even dumber. Do good point guards quit when they are losing the game in the third period? I'll say that she will raise a couple hundred million for the party and help them lose in 2012 along with Ensign, Sanford and Craig, love them family values. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 2:57:58 PM | Hoo boy...
You carefully say this, yet do not respond to any of the things I listed that Bush did that I label as liberal.
Because they are not in and of themselves "liberal." The Patriot Act was "liberal"? News to me. Expansion of goverment is always "liberal"? I didn't see liberals cheer on said wiretapping and surveilance. I did see them complain about it, and then the Bush Adminstration supported by "conservative" Republicans in Congress. Foreign aid is always "liberal"? Yeah, it's always been the "liberals'" idea to shovel tons of money to Third World dictators in the name of global realpolitik.
Look, it breaks down like this: Bush did the following-
Increased military spending by a huge degree by launching 2 wars. (Conservative)
Cut taxes regressively- that is, primarily at the top income brackets. (Conservative)
Increased the goverment's surveilance and detainee powers in the name of national security. (Conservative- maybe not in the classical sense, but in the political one)
Started "No Child Left Behind". (The increase in education spending might be considered "liberal", but not the method)
Increased the Medicaid Perscription Program. (Another "liberal" move- however the next Republican Congressperson I see decry Medicaid as "wasteful liberal spending" will be the first)
It doesn't add up to "liberal". The argument that it doesn't add up to "conservative" because of a greatly unbalanced budget and expansion of goverment powers....well, shows you that just how un-conservative proclaimed "conservatives" can be, like Reagan.
We cut spending, everywhere. We end our global empire. It's entirely possible. Just look at all the states who are going bankrupt. All of them have state income taxes. Reduce governmnt, reduce spending, give the power back to the people.
Wow, you really though that through. "Cut spending". Yeah, just do that. Of course, that spending actually represents what goverment is SUPPOSED to do, and what "the people" WANT it to do. From dog catcher to national security.
And you're not suggesting that there's a correlation between having an income tax and a goverment going bankrupt? (???) If you actually understood those states financial situations, you'd know that the key to these "bankruptcies" is on the REVENUE side. Incomes have stagnated across the board, except for the very top brackets. However, they have seen their taxes reduced GREATLY since 1980. And of course the multi-national corporations who probably pay less in taxes than you and I (precentage-wise), if at all. There's your budget hole- the amount the very top is NOT PAYING.
Why do I bother standing up for the Constitution when we have fools saying things like this? We should reduce our foreign policy spending and absolutely abolish Social Security and Medicare.
Oh, get over yourself. First of all, Social Security and Medicare aren't going anywhere. They are one of the BEST things our goverment does. Social Security in particular is noted for being run quite effectively- that is, quite a low overhead (the cost of actual program, of course, is another matter). Never mind me- you go to the elderly of this country and explain how it's really un-American of them to be supported by a program that in no way could of been conceived of in the late 18th century. You're right- if, say, Benjiman Franklin were brought back today he would want to throw senior citizens "off the dole". And while you're at it, tell everyone our age how living with their parents (the end result of no Social Security for many people) is truly the American way.
Secondly, you get what you pay for- or don't if you don't ante up. Sure, we overspend on our military (on extravagant pie-in-the-sky weapon systems and defense "pork"), but that "global empire" ain't just for show. From Somali pirates to rogue nations, a bunch of rotten apples would happily fill the void left by us. Think that doesn't mean anything to Joe Blow in Anytown, USA? Er, do you use oil? Do you rely on anything that is manufactured overseas, or on any raw materials from beyond our shores? Do I need to go any further?
No it wouldn't. I don't blame the people who advertise. I blame the sheep who blindly follow the nominated candidates.
You're not making any sense. First of all, have you talked to anyone in the real world? You can easily find people you support a candidate, but with reservations. They'll vote for them for a single issue, or because they hate the opponent, but that doesn't get you to "blind" allegiance. Next, it IS the people who throw in the money. Politicans need votes every 2 or 4 years:they need campaign dollars every day. And those dollars aren't just coming in the alturism of "gee, you're swell, I'll give you $10,000 for being such a great public servant." There's a quid-pro-quo, no doubt. Why do you think the fire trucks arrived last fall at the banks' beck and call, but not for all the homeowners in deep with their mortgages (a complicated issue-but still, look who got whatever they wanted)? Seventy percent of the "public" wants something like a public option in health care reform, and the Democrats have the majorities in both houses of Congress to produce that sans the GOP. And yet that is languishing due to the influence of the insurance companies, looking out for themselves. If 70% of the public is behind something, what does it say about "representative democracy" that well placed millions can blunt that?
Do you know that just over ten percent of America votes in the primary season? That means that McCain and Obama were chosen by1/10th of our country. Then everyone rushes out in the general election to vote for someone that around five percent of our country selected. The problems with America are the blind people who vote and do not understand what they are doing.
To your last sentence, that is exactly the problem with Sarah Palin.
However the rest of what you're saying....do you understand American democracy? I mean, only about 50% to 60% of the people vote. Got a problem with that? Support a change in our election process. Other Western democracies have their elections on an entire weekend, not one Tuesday. Our primary and election season could easily be shortened- unfortunately that would take away a number of petty perks from certain people. But nonetheless, support election reform- including allowing ex-felons to vote and tossing out the Electoral College.
Complaining that "only 1/10th" of the country "chose" Obama and McCain is besides the point. You can vote in those primaries, if you belong to one of the 2 parties. In some states you can vote in either primary, even if you aren't a member of the party. Those 2 were not chosen by some nefarious secret society. It's simply an old and outdated process, one that started before the telephone was invented, and operates as if it still doesn't exist. Take your beef with the monopoly of the two party system, and the longstanding outside influence they give to Iowa and New Hampshire. However, you'll find yourself running headlong into those "monied interests" again, who prefer this clunky method. Far easier for them to manipulate on many levels. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 3:34:27 PM | ^^^ You are going to confront this "what is liberal is actually not liberal" turnspeak nonsense every time you try and confuse some of these ditto-heads with facts. They start referring to themselves as "real conservatives" (No True Scotsman fallacy) in an attempt to marginalize the Neo-Cons and the wide support the Republican and Conservative party threw behind them for the last 30+ years since the end of the Ford administration and the abandonment of the Goldwater style Republicanism to try and wash their hands of the colossal economic failure their policies have led America into (the greatest debt and deficit of any administrations collectively in the nation's history) and through Orwellian "turnspeak" and the related "big lie" of terms like "liberal fascism" attempt to label the Neo-Cons as liberals in conservative clothing. I refer you to my post 35 here in a similar thread in the Politics forum dealing with one of the founders of this nonsense, political hack Jonah Goldberg, who is even abandoned by The American Conservative in one of it's reviews:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/12669673datingPostpage2.aspx post 35
It's only fringe-loons and people not actually educated with the classical meaning of the terms of liberal and conservative OR those who actively seek to hijack the meaning of those terms for the purpose of turnspeak who will use them purposefully in the fashion of some of the posters seen here. Mainstream scholarship does not, thankfully, and fortunately supports the conclusions you are making. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 3:48:42 PM | Orwell used doublespeak and newspeak, but not turnspeak. I checked to see I had seen this misused before and corrected, I have a copied a great reference below
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005935.php
Posted by: spect8or [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 30, 2005 11:33 AM
Did you mean 'turnspeak' or 'Newspeak'? Newspeak is the commonly understood Orwellian term. 'Turnspeak' seems to have been coined by Joan Peters and copied by Alan Dershowitz who incorrectly called it "Orwellian turnspeak"; a point used by those charging him with plagiarising Peters.
"Who controls the media, controls the mind The more often a LIE is repeated, the more likely the LIE will become TRUTH to the majority Who CONTROLS the PAST, CONTROLS the FUTURE. Who CONTROLS the PRESENT, CONTROLS the PAST" George Orwell 1984 | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 3:58:30 PM | Sorry you are correct...I was reading the same article in fact and it looks like the error got stuck in my head instead of the correct term...damn Dershowitz! Ok instead of me going back and editing it after this which would just look goofy, just read "Newspeak" where I put turnspeak.
And thanks for the correction :) Now I just have to repeat it 1000 times on my mental blackboard like Bart Simpson
I will not misattribute quotes to Orwell...
I will not misattribute quotes to Orwell...
I will not misattribute quotes to Orwell...
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 3:59:27 PM | "See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
G. W. Orwell Bush, co-author of the 935 lies that led to the Iraqi genocide.
War is peace. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 4:02:27 PM | | Just because an accusation can be voiced does not mean the accusation is true. I see accusations, however, no evidence to support it. Her brother in law needed removal. But It is fun for liberals to defend the indefencible to forward thier statist agenda. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 4:48:36 PM |
Just because an accusation can be voiced does not mean the accusation is true.
Exactly.
And that statement, makes this statement:
But It is fun for liberals to defend the indefencible to forward thier statist agenda.
all the more funny to read. | |
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| Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012?
Posted: 7/6/2009 5:03:03 PM | themadfiddler not your fault, like I said I remembered it from before. It is bad when they brainwash us like that. You know about all the hidden weapons they have, you know why we went into Viet Nam, darn I mean Iraq, Iran, Afghan, or was it Korea? I do get so confused any more about why we went where and why, darn doublespeak.
Happy 4th of July from Alaska! ... I’ve never thought I needed a title before one’s name to forge progress in America. I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint... Sarah Could have sworn that she said that she said when she accepted running for VP it was to help our country because as VP she could. | |
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