|
|
|
|
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/10/2009 2:17:12 PM |
Well, that's your problem right there: you're screening movies like "W". Do you really think right-wingers are going to pay to see a movie like that? I wouldn't, and I'm a left-wing Canadian who despises Bush. I'd figure that at best that movie wouldn't tell me anything I don't already know, and more likely it would be an ugly, partisan, diatribe. Put it another way: if Ann Coulter made a movie, would you pay to see it (remembering that Ann Coulter's getting a cut of every ticket)?
Well, there is YOUR problem Istovir... you don't watch films that may question your beliefs.
"W" was NOT an "ugly, partisan diatribe" about George Bush. I think a right winger could have gotten as much out of that particular film as we did as a group. It would have been nice to have a few conservatively-minded folks in our discussion.
I've been saying that we *WANT* both sides in our film discussions. It's a very few, obnoxious wingers (on BOTH sides) who keep taking this thread down the mean, nasty, prejudice path that they see the world in. There are many (most in fact) people who are NOT wingers, left or right, and can actually sit down and have discussions.
My film group isn't full of left-wingers; most are simply liberal, and we do have a few on the other side of the fence, but not enough in my opinion.
I'm simply interested WHY conservatives (in general) don't watch these movies... I would guess 95% of them have no political agenda whatsoever. They are movies about love, adventure, and many are quite evocative -- which spawns GREAT discussions.
James, Seattle, Washington, USA, Earth
Some of our recent films:
THE FALL (in ENGLISH) and quite possibly one of the most cinematographic beautiful movies ever made. (adventure story / non-political)
EASY VIRTUE (In English) A 1920's flapper girl-type American female Race Car driver marries into a stuffy, rich English Manor-type family. (comedy / non-political)
THE BROTHER'S BLOOM (In English) about two brothers raised in foster homes and grow up to become fabulous con men out to con a Billionaire Heiress. (comedy / drama / romance.. it can't be categorized as one. / Non political) | |
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/10/2009 11:10:32 PM |
I'm simply interested WHY conservatives (in general) don't watch these movies... I would guess 95% of them have no political agenda whatsoever. They are movies about love, adventure, and many are quite evocative -- which spawns GREAT discussions.
Personally, I missed the political slant on this all together (having largely ignored all the arguing and vitriol), so I suppose it doesn't surprise that my reasons were glossed over (being neither political in nature or likely to become so).
Frankly, your pool of input is far too small to support your conclusion. I'm sure the local arts society could give you more objective datum if you're question is more than casual and if you're interested in more than anecdotal input. | |
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/10/2009 11:38:42 PM | Maybe a part of it has to do with the percentages of liberal and conservative people in your area.
I used to live in Toronto and knew plenty of people who couldn't be considered conservative by any stretch of the imagination, who simply had no interest in going to Indie/Foreign films.
But then Canada and the US might have differences I am not aware of. Guelph is predominantly a Christian/Conservative area. We got tons of churches! And we have multicultural events and a festival too.
I don't know really. I don't think my input can contribute much.  | |
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/11/2009 5:56:33 PM | Conservatives are often not interested in material that makes the people they want to bomb look like actual human beings.
Or maybe it's the subtitles... It's a rare conservative that likes to read...
Who called Ann Coulter hot? She's a HE. She's got an Adam's Apple! | |
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/11/2009 7:22:23 PM |
Actually, liberals nationwide (U.S.) have tried to (and often succeeded) in getting BOOKS banned... Huckleberry Finn comes to mind, but there are many.
I call bullshit. The American Library Association says "The Coalition to stop the N-Word,” made up of the National Black United Front, the New Black Panther Party, the Nation of Islam, the Black Coalition to Maximize Education, and the NAACP, has protested on behalf of the family and are calling for the book to be pulled from the curriculum." hardly qualifies as "liberals nationwide". And that protest was pretty obvious.
And for every book that "liberals" object to - usually on a common sense basis - there are probably 100 books conservatives object to for all manner of spurious reasons. Lots of conservative groups in America and abroad throughout history have had book burnings, name even one that some liberal group has had.
Once again, BULLSHIT.
And for the record, "conventional wisdom" is actually used as a pejorative.
The term is often credited to the economist John Kenneth Galbraith, who used it in his 1958 book The Affluent Society:
It will be convenient to have a name for the ideas which are esteemed at any time for their acceptability, and it should be a term that emphasizes this predictability. I shall refer to these ideas henceforth as the conventional wisdom.
He meant that only the weak and close minded don't question things and accept things as they are. And that my friend is conservatism in a nutshell. | |
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:34:34 PM | Why don't you all take your Liberal/Conservative tirades to the Politics forum where they belong? Unless of course you're 'special' and don't feel that staying on topic pertains to you... then by all means, continue.
(Yes, there's a politics forum on pof... It's just not visible on the list of forums.) Try:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingForum98.aspx
Thanks. | |
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:41:34 PM | James, if I had to hazard a guess in answer to your initial question (which, obviously, I will have to do!), I'd say it's highly likely that more "conservatives" do see indie/foreign films, but they just don't identify unless they're moderate or higher on the spectrum.
Let's face it, the eagerness with which most who are politically active leap to engage (as this thread clearly demonstrates) isn't exactly enticing to anyone except those who delight in the "battle" and I would think that, of all the places one might want to have it flare, enjoying a movie club likely is low on the list (if present whatever). | |
|
jbogie
|
Joined: 9/30/2008
Msg: 67 | |
| |
| |
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/13/2009 6:45:53 PM | "We asked at the theater and they agreed that our stats are probably similar as what they see in the door."
Whom did you ask at the theatre?
What do they see in the door? I see nothing in the door. Indoors? Tandoori chicken? You are making very informal sense.
Why were you taken aback? Because someone, or a building, or a door agreed with you? Is that a very rare occurrance?
Republicans and Christians consider it un-American to watch foreign films, and they are convinced that independent films lead to independent thought, the bain of all religious dogma everywhere. In a way, we don't want Hollywood to go GM's way. I'd strongly advise for your group to watch domestic films, as our actors need to eat, too.
Your local Indi theatre must love all 45 of you. You fill more seats each time you go than in my town an Indi theatre can attract customers in an entire month.
Average age 45: it could be a misleading statistic, as all by itself it says no more than the average. It says nothing of the distribution's shape or standard deviation. For instance, 22 people could be 1 years old, and 22, 89, plus a forty-five-year-old by osmosis. It would still work out to be average 45. Or maybe there are 22 91-year-olds with embrios and one 45-year-old . That's also average age of 45 (Minus nine months olds, numbering 23 of them.) Of course also everyone could be 45, and of course everyone could be between 40 and 50, with a flat distribution.
I know I fixated here on the number 45, while your group counts up to 75 members. I have my weak points, too, and 75 is it. 45 is three-quarters of an hour, and 75 is three-quarters of a hundred.
I curse the clock makers of all times at all times. | |
|
| |
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/14/2009 3:29:43 PM | I tend to side with J in SD, James. I have seen enough Czech films with Hungarian subtitles in the sixties to know what the true truth is.
Of course the best foreign films are made in Hollywood (like BadLands, Ninotschka, WWII, Knyaz Potyemkin, If, Hamlet (I like the 1733 production by David Hume the best) and The Great Liebowitz) and the best indie films are made in Chinese sweatshops with better quality control than the USA could ever dream of, including the measured addition of led to toothpaste at the whimsy of the plant manager.
I am fully aware of what little sense I make here. You gotta read the subtext, man. The subtext should read, in big, red, blinking letters, "H E L P !!!!" | |
|
| Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY?
Posted: 7/15/2009 6:47:33 AM | If I may give my definition and throw it on the pile here, on what constitutes a foreign film: One that is very far removed from my mindset, what I would never imagine reality to be, something with values that are foreign to me.
In this sense all American movies are either foreign or not foreign to me. Whether they be made in Hollywood, in China, in Madagaskar or in Nascar.
I like foreign movies. | |
|
|
|
Home
login 
