Pud78
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Posted: 7/4/2009 8:52:52 AM | I think though that is the crux of the matter, what was the teacher doing? where was the supposed supervision? If they have staff shortages should they not be doing outside play that day? or using the play equipment on a day that supervision is short? If they had all the supervision that day why and how did it still happen and what can be learned for next time?
By action I would assume that Carol wanted answers to these questions to help avoid a repeat with hers any others child.
Risk assessments are done to determine the likely hood of an accident occurring and if one did happen how serious the accident would be and whether that risk that acceptable and if any practices can be put in place to minimise that risk.
I would imagine and yes I am supposing that a risk assessment was odne on that piece of apparatus and was deemed it was an acceptable risk to use provided it was supervised and it wasn't. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:06:18 AM | ^^ tjslater..No real facts have been posted, and YOU are doing a lot of supposing yourself. Where was the teacher? looking after another child? momentarily distracted? who knows.
The facts are on several of my posts in black and white!THE CHILDREN WERE AGED 3/4 YEARS OLD AND LEFT IN A PLAYGROUND IN A NURSERY SCHOOL WITH PLAY EQUIPMENT OF 6FT TALL!
NO CHILD SHOULD BE AT RISK OF BEING TAKEN TO A NURSERY IN SUPERVISORY CARE AND THEN LEFT UNSUPERVISED. Plus I forgot to mention that they werent sure what time the accident had happened because my son was crying on the floor below the climbing frame when another small child had to go and get a member of staff inside the nursery school rooms..not bloody acceptable really!
If there had been a problem with lack of staff they should have brought the kids inside where the staff were able to watch them!
It is a large nursery school (3 classrooms)and has excess of at least 90 children per day with a ratio of 3 teachers/nursery workers per room and supposedly 2 in the playground perminantly!(which is also large and the children have access to it all day) I'm sure they didn't want to leave the children unsupervised but they did which is unaccepatable as they are small children and not able to supervise themselves!
I see you don't have children yourself so I wouldn't expect you to understand but when or if you ever do maybe you would be a bit more sympathetic towards what I am stating!
This is not the fact that I want to sue the nursery(as stated before)more the fact that adequate supervision is required and hopefully this has taught them a lesson!
At the end of the day..this is my little boy and I want him to be in a safe environment whilst at nursery not at risk!(or any other children there also!) | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:18:29 AM | And so he should be and I wouldn't worry about what one person thinks it is quite obvious that the consensus of opinion is that the situation wasn't ideal.
A school which doesn't have regard for health and safety law and sees it as a bind, is almost as bad as a construction company not having any regard for health and safety law and seeing it as a bind.
Preserving life by protecting from danger is important to some people and not to others. Those who, when tasked with ensuring the safety of others, flout the laws and rules and regulations surrounding this kind of thing in a professional capacity should seek a more suitable career.
vvvvv wrapping him in cotton wool would be not letting him go on the climbing frame. The mother in question is not saying that she is angry that the child was on the climbing frame she is saying that when she dropped him off at school that morning she was of the impression that should the child use the climbing frame it would be under supervision.
When you have children it is only then that you appreciate the amount of time and effort and emotional energy that you invest in them and you are constantly mindful of preparing them for the future and you never consider that they will not have one.
Part of being a parent is keeping them safe so that they reach adulthood and of choosing wisely who you hand over that responsibility to when you have to or want to. Feeling that you have been lulled into a false sense of security is what pi$$es parents off. I understand that to be the case here.
One of my children was lost on a school trip overseas. Fortunately only for a couple of hours - however that was bad enough! I held the school entirely responsible. I let my children ski, go on outward bound courses, kayaking, rock climbing etc My eldest is a real dare devil and can't wait to do the first sky dive. I am hardly wrapping them in cotton wool but when the school assumes parental responsibility then parents expect them to take care of their kids - it's nothing to do with cotton wool or molly coddling. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:20:18 AM | Always the resort of someone with children is to assume they hold a special position. As I have said, I hold my convictions no matter what. Even if were my own children.
By all means wrap your boy in cotton wool.
It's him paying the price for your lack of reason for all the reasons I've mentioned before.
I just count my blessing my parents weren't over protective in this way. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:30:52 AM | This isn't about being overprotective of ones children..We are all well aware that accidents can and do happen,this accident probably wouldnt have been avoided with supervision but the staff would have been able to react more appropriately and mum would have been given all the details in case she needed to refer back to them if the child had developed further health problems.
It's about being able to trust the people in charge of your children to do the job they are trained and paid to do. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:36:36 AM | | If it is a privately-run nursery, as opposed to local education nursery school, then you would definitely have a claim. I would have thought that all nursery age children in play areas with high equipment would require to be supervised - its not about mollycoddling, but common sense - I have neck injuries, and believe me - they cause a hell of a lot of trouble in later life! He could just as well have broken his neck - would you want this to happen again?? YOu don't have to sue, but you should put your concerns in writing. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:37:02 AM | | She's not talking about wrapping him in cotton wool, she's talking about ensuring that when her son is at nursery, he's monitored properly. At the moment they aren't doing their job properly, what age is the wee one, four? five? He's already ended up in casualty. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 9:37:10 AM | ^tjslaterYou really are an idiot! I'm not wrapping my son in cotton wool at all..he is a normal lively four year old and likes nothing better than going on climbing frames and getting up to the normal things 4 year olds do...but with me supervising him!
So should I just let him outside to play with traffic..so as I am not wrapping him in cotton wall!
We are talking about an accident in nursery school when the kids werent supervised...normally when small children are using a large piece of equipment the staff would be under it to it to make sure accidents like this dont happen!
my child fell on his neck and subsequently ended up in casualty..he could have broken his neck/back or anything(the nursery school were concerned about this too as they were the ones who called the ambulance!..My son is only a small 4 year old..and this was a 6ft climbing frame!
I just don't want this sort of thing happening again to him or any other child..just simple health and safety values should be practiced..and adequate staffing!
Anyway i'm not going to rise to your bait or stupid opinions! Fact are facts!
Maybe you should read the post properly before you pre-judge!
As I said you don't have kids and obviouly no clue about health and safety of your children! God forbid if you do and anything like this happened to one of yours! But then again it sounds to me that you would be quite non-plussed if it did..after all you don't want to wrap your kids up in cotton wool..but maybe a wheelchair would be more satisfying! | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 10:12:27 AM | Im completely disgusted with this nursery and shocked. I agree with the others that mentioned that the play equipment should be low level for nursery age children. 6ft is alot for a 4 year old to climb.
If it was me I would tell the nursery that you are not happy and would want them to assure me that things have changed with regards to supervision. Even if you have a short time there you do not want a reoccurance before he leaves.
My son is 7 years old and 4ft 7. I still stay in the park when he plays but i dont see that as mollycoddling him. He has his freedom but at the end of the day a 7 year old can not be responsible enough to be left on his own. If my son was 4 years old i would be more protective of him due to his physical ability to climb etc. At the end of the day its better to be protective over your child then to expect him to fend for himself. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 10:17:08 AM | I really don't understand the mindset of some posters, sometimes. Are the posters who are adamant that no action should be taken, that children need to learn by experience, that "I played with blah blah blah when I was a kid but I'm still here," are they also the ones who are quick to blame the parents when little johnny turns into a thug due to unsupervised play?
Yes, OP, you should take action, you should at least be in touch with the head to express your concerns. They should be transparent in the remedies they make in order to prevent this happening again. I daresay they will have had a shock and be concerned about what may have happened and who would be the one in the dock had your child suffered a serious injury or worse.
They have to report any accident that results in someone having a hopsital visit, 3 days of work, loss of limbs, broken bones and death.
They also have to report 'near misses' where an accident could have caused death or serious injury but didn't due only to luck, so , as Pud says, it is likely that the HSE are already aware.
No one is suggesting that kids shouldn't be allowed to play and be kids, but would you let you pre-schooler play unsupervised in a playground? Near water?
No, thought not.
Little kids playing unsupervised is a bug-bear of mine, because it happens all the time round here. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 10:25:26 AM | i thought these kinds of places had a minimum staff to children ratio
if they were understaffed they shouldnt of been open
somebody should of been outside withthe children,that is what you pay your money for
it might not of prevented the accident but it sure as hell would of had the child tended to a lot quicker
i'd lodge a complaint becasue im sure on ofsted visit days someone is outside with those kids!!! sounds like the place is very badly run and needs sorting out
i'd also pull my child out of that particular nursery and take them to one that has better standards of care | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 11:06:24 AM | | Next time you take him to nursery ,smile sweetly at the teacher ,then grab her by both cheeks shake her gently and growl "watch him " | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 1:08:01 PM | Just looking at the difference between the male and female answers here. Ladies think there should be some kind of supervision which I personally agree with and men think they should get a few bruises to toughen 'em up. What if he had seriously injured himself and had lain unconscious because there was no one there to see what had happened?
In the area I live the schools my children attended have a supervised playtime and a dinner lady to sort out any little problems at lunchtime. I would have thought it even more important for pre school children. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 1:14:28 PM |
What if he had seriously injured himself and had lain unconscious because there was no one there to see what had happened?
Yes the children should have been supervised and it's worrying they were not in this case, that needs to be rectified and someone needs to face some concequences for it however, accidents do happen, having someone supervising in this case probably would not have prevented the accident anyway. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 1:21:27 PM | ^^^^^ if the child was unconscious it might have given the ambulance crew something to go on if they knew how high up the kid was when he fell, if he landed on his head if so which part of his head if any of his limbs became tangled in the bars on the way down etc etc .
No supervision means that they wouldn't be able to ask the questions which could make a huge difference to the outcome for the child. As a mum I'd want to know the answers to such questions myself - the first thing I'd ask is how far did he fall, was he shoved off etc? | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 2:00:52 PM | i'd certainly be asking why there was no supervision,forget toughen up..
it's a nursery,as far as i know there should be around 2 staff to around 2o children...
so i'd be straight up there to find out where they were...
not sure the correct body to complain to as the laws may be different in england/wales to scotland..
go for it.. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 2:11:39 PM | just like to add..
message 2 is irrelevant...
i wonder what you'd say if it was your child falling 6ft onto the ground,aw it's awright,it's not concrete..
checked your profile,no kids,any parent will tell you..
you haven't a fcuking clue what your talking about coz you haven't got any! | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 2:22:00 PM | I work in a school ...all of our children are supervised at all times. Lunchtime supervisots over lunch and teachers and support staff at other times.
I belive that your child should have been supervised, Check with yout LEA and write to the head teacher, chair of govs and your school improvment officer. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 2:39:16 PM | Yes I will find out exactly what is going on at the nursery since the incident and see what measures are being taken to improve supervision and safety of all the children.(It will be interesting to see if any other similar accidents have been recorded in their log book.)
Thanks to you all for your input. ..and to the few that think my child should just 'toughen up'..my boy is quite a tough little fella anyway(typical four year old boy really)all I expected was for him to be in a safely monitored nursery school which is just what you would expect really! | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 2:53:33 PM | As Hula Moo says the accident has to be reported formally, possibly even to the HSE, I'd make enquiries there definitely. I suspect they'd be round there in a blink.
I'd want proper answers from the nursery; an explanation why all the children were unsupervised when there are laws stating how many carers per child are required and I'd also look for an investigation into the safety of the climbing frame. There's a lot for you to do and I don't think you even need answers from us lot to guide you.
I hope your little one recovers with no ill effects.
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Posted: 7/4/2009 3:22:38 PM | | All accidents in school are reported then forward to the LEA, they follow up in particular hospital visits. Ask to have a look at the accident report. Your child should have been supervised. Most foundation stage classrooms have free flow play areas and they have to have at least two class teachers in there on inside and one outside. Your child should have been supervised find out why he wasnt. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 3:35:36 PM | | As coincidence would have it i've recently been looking to buy a climbing frame for our FS2 playground with some PTA money we've raised. When I consulted our H & S advisor about it he told me that despite forking out 3 grand on rubber crumb to go underneath it I could still only get a frame with a maximum climb height of 1 meter. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 3:39:31 PM | | these are the same H & S officers who send us on ladder training three rung to seven rung...its ridiculous at times. Its a shame children cant be allowed more freedom but at the end of the day its all about liability in the event of an accident | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 3:40:29 PM | ^Hi Beetle..His teacher said to me that she didnt know why the children were'nt being supervised at the time of his accident but it could have been when they were coming back from lunch(as if it was just a couple of minutes) when I spoke to her about it the next day.
However the information she gave me on the day it happened was that she wasn't sure what time exactly the accident had happened or how long he was on the floor under the climbing frame..because it was one of the littlens that came and got a teacher!
Nobody could tell the paramedics or the hospital if he had actually been knocked out by the fall or if he fell on his head or neck...his teacher was worried because 20 minutes after he was brought back into the classroom they were worried that he couldn't move his head because his neck was in a lot of pain.
To tell the truth they probably shouldn't have moved him to begin with because if his neck had been damaged(or his back)it could have resulted inflicting more damage.
When we went in the ambulance the paramedic kept his neck straight with ther hands..(because he wouldnt allow her to put the blocks on him)and then in the hospital they did tape blocks to his neck which meant his neck was icolated until they did his x-rays.
The more I think about it the more I am getting enraged by allowing something like this to happen when its a local authority nursery schools and there must be rules about supervision! | |
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Posted: 7/4/2009 3:44:52 PM |
these are the same H & S officers who send us on ladder training three rung to seven rung...its ridiculous at times. Its a shame children cant be allowed more freedom but at the end of the day its all about liability in the event of an accident
We had H & S training on how to correctly and safely erect folding lunch tables last year....hilarious
I await my 'how to safely use blu tac' twilight with baited breath | |
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