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Posted: 7/5/2009 2:59:33 PM |
I did find some interesting statistics stating that divorce is on the decline. I did not see any tables of date that broke it down by age etc.
All marriages means all marriages.
This isn't where I originally found the information (it was a while ago), but there is even more statistics here.
http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-articles/Whats-real-status-of-divorce.html
There is no reason in this day and age that you can't do both. I don't see it as an either or, besides it is in the best long-term interests for everyone. Heck, you can even telecommute to work these days. Southwest comes to mind, as well and west.com
I know you can telecommute. I work from home, remember? :P
Not everyone has the discipline to go to school online. Not everyone can wait to do all the work required until their children are in bed.
It is true that some can do both, and that's not who I find to be the problem. Most cannot. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:05:49 PM |
I don't believe that going to college should be put ahead of raising your child.
And you don't believe someone can do both? Parents that are over 20 go to college to further their education. I worked, attended college, was married and had a son. The same 24 year old that is a virgin. Not sure why you think attending college negates being a good parent.
I am talking about the first 3-5 years of a child's life, because if you are not giving them their care someone else is.
High school is grades 9 - 12. Freshman through Senior year are considered high school regardless of it being a junior or senior division in the school system. Currently the average age is still 18 for high school graduates. There has been an increase in those 17 graduating but turning 18 the same year as they graduate. There are those at 16 graduating and some talk has been about making it mandatory to attend classes until you are 18. Some feel education is being pushed too fast. My sister was 16 when she graduated and started college. She was 20 when she graduated from Penn State and started on her masters. She was married and continued taking classes even after her second child was born.
High school in some districts is grades 10-12, like mine was. In 2005 the national average age was 19. The bookmark I had was dead, and I cannot find it, but I shared an example from Florida which is a heavily populated state.
I could have graduated at 16, but my mom would not allow me to skip grades. What is your point? I took college courses in high school and graduated in January of my senior year. I could have done so earlier, because I took summer school courses because I was bored. Oh, sorry, I got distracted by meaningless information.
Your sister is married now, and doing great. Is that what you want to hear? | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:14:39 PM | That was 2002 static from the CDC. I checked there first. I think it might be a misquote, because the 46% rate was the dissolution of marriage. That was either seperation or divorce within a 15 year period. So, I am not sure that I believe the stastic. I would perfer to see more current data, broken down into a table. The national average was 5.2 whereas, it is currently about 3.4.
Not everyone has the discipline to go to school online. Not everyone can wait to do all the work required until their children are in bed.
I don't see why it is the same, minus the leture hall.
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:16:36 PM |
That was 2002 static from the CDC. I checked there first. I think it might be a misquote, because the 46% rate was the dissolution of marriage. That was either seperation or divorce within a 15 year period. So, I am not sure that I believe the stastic. I would perfer to see more current data, broken down into a table. The national average was 5.2 whereas, it is currently about 3.4.
The rate of 46% is covering all marriages. Regardless of their age now, or their age at marriage.
I like how you disagree with me, even when I present you with statistics and sources.
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:19:34 PM | ^^ agreeed, but that doesn't change the fact that your statisic is off too.
I should edit: the 40% not 46% statstic. Mine was from 08. I did follow your link as a matter of fact I still have it open. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:24:16 PM | I put the exact source in my first post. However a more general link is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce
Also the National instutues for Health,
CDC
From the commerce department office of the cenus, 2004
Table 4. Current Marital Status by Age and Sex for Those Ever Divorced: 2004
Source: U.S. Census Bureau Tb 4
Internet release date: month , 2007
(Numbers in thousands, for meaning of symbols, see text.)
Men Women
Total number (in thousands) Percent Distribution Total number (in thousands) Percent Distribution
Age Total Now Divorced Now Married Now Separated Now Widowed Total Now Divorced Now Married Now Separated Now Widowed
.Total, 25 years and over 22,691 100.0 44.5 52.2 1.5 1.8 26,694 100.0 47.4 43.5 2.4 6.7
..25 to 29 years 490 100.0 62.7 36.7 0.6 - 664 100.0 58.8 40.4 0.8 -
..30 to 34 years 1,294 100.0 50.2 48.8 1.0 - 1,727 100.0 53.0 42.9 3.5 0.6
..35 to 39 years 2,096 100.0 52.6 46.2 1.0 0.2 2,645 100.0 45.5 49.9 3.8 0.8
..40 to 44 years 3,090 100.0 50.1 48.7 1.2 - 3,701 100.0 49.7 46.1 2.8 1.4
..45 to 49 years 3,534 100.0 47.2 50.2 2.1 0.5 4,033 100.0 47.3 48.6 2.8 1.3
..50 years and over 12,187 100.0 39.5 55.8 1.5 3.2 13,925 100.0 46.0 40.3 1.8 11.8
Footnotes:
Dash ("-") Represents or rounds to zero.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), 2004 Panel, Wave 2 Topical Module.
same source 2003 Tb 9
Table 9. Characteristics of People 15 Years and Over with a Marital Event During 2003
Source: U.S. Census Bureau
Internet release date: month xx, 2007
(Numbers in thousands, for meaning of symbols, see text.)
(Data include first and higher order events)
Men Women
Characteristic at time of interview Marriage Separation Divorce Widowhood Marriage Separation Divorce Widowhood
.Total (in thousands) 2,239 926 844 268 2,252 1,015 842 711
.PERCENT 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0
..Race and Hispanic Origin
...White alone 79.6 82.1 85.5 89.0 78.4 80.0 83.2 86.0
....Non-Hispanic 65.7 69.7 77.1 86.6 63.2 67.5 72.2 78.9
...Black alone 12.2 10.6 9.6 9.1 11.5 15.4 10.8 8.5
...Asian alone 4.8 1.3 1.4 1.3 6.4 1.6 1.7 2.6
...Hispanic (of any race) 15.6 13.2 8.6 2.4 16.6 13.3 12.0 7.1
..Age
...15 to 24 years 21.7 5.9 3.4 - 32.9 10.0 8.1 0.0
...25 to 34 years 41.7 30.3 26.4 0.9 38.4 33.8 31.0 1.5
...35 to 44 years 22.6 31.7 38.4 2.0 16.6 29.1 27.8 3.0
...45 to 54 years 8.8 20.5 19.7 13.3 9.3 21.9 22.6 8.4
...55 to 64 years 2.5 10.5 9.8 18.2 1.6 4.4 8.4 17.6
...65 years and over 2.6 1.1 2.4 65.6 1.3 0.8 2.2 69.5
..Median age (in years) 30.6 39.3 40.9 73.3 28.3 37.8 39.3 72.0
..Educational Attainment
...Less than high school 12.5 10.8 5.4 21.0 9.0 11.7 9.7 16.6
...High school graduate 29.1 30.9 33.7 28.6 25.0 26.4 24.2 36.9
...Some college 32.1 36.6 37.4 31.0 35.6 44.7 45.2 34.4
...Bachelor's degree or more 26.3 21.6 23.6 19.3 30.4 17.2 20.8 12.1
..Employment Status 1/
...Worked full-time last month 82.1 75.6 78.4 24.8 52.4 62.9 64.1 16.1
...Worked part-time last month 6.7 9.0 5.8 8.2 13.4 12.3 14.6 8.7
...Did not work last month 11.2 15.5 15.8 67.0 34.1 24.7 21.4 75.2
..Poverty Level
...Below poverty level 8.3 12.6 11.3 6.0 9.6 21.3 14.8 8.0
...100-199 percent of poverty level 15.3 17.6 18.0 27.1 15.5 23.2 22.3 33.3
...200+ percent of poverty level 76.3 67.2 69.5 66.1 74.3 52.3 61.2 58.2
...Income not reported 0.2 2.6 1.2 0.8 0.6 3.2 1.7 0.5
..Household Receives Public Assistance
...Cash assistance 2.7 6.8 5.8 5.6 2.8 11.0 8.7 3.5
...Noncash assistance 2/ 26.8 19.0 22.1 19.8 27.7 42.7 39.2 21.6
..Tenure
...Owns home 58.0 52.5 54.6 77.7 58.1 46.6 55.8 81.9
...Rents home 3/ 42.0 47.5 45.4 22.3 41.9 53.4 44.2 18.1
..Family Status 4/
...Not living with own children under 18 67.2 82.8 80.6 91.5 59.3 44.4 49.0 96.7
...Currently living with own children under 18 32.8 17.2 19.4 8.5 40.7 55.6 51.0 3.3
….Currently living with own children 1-17 21.3 16.3 18.6 8.5 30.5 54.6 48.5 3.3
….Currently living with own children under 1 13.8 1.0 1.1 - 13.9 3.5 6.1 -
Footnotes:
Dash ("-") Represents or rounds to zero.
1/ Full-time includes those who usually work 35 or more hours per week; part-time includes those who usually work 1-34 hours per week;
those who did not work last month include individuals who were unemployed or were not in the labor force.
2/ Noncash benefits include food stamps, WIC, Medicaid, rent for public housing, lower rent due to government subsidy, energy assistance,
and free or reduced price lunches or breakfasts.
3/ Those who occupy without cash payment are included with renters.
4/ For the purposes of this table only, own children refers to biological or adopted children. The table excludes stepchildren.
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), 2004 Panel, Wave 2 Topical Module.
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:31:21 PM | No, the national average was like 18.4 in 2005, that is off the top of my head. It has gone down. Part of the reason is children dropping out of school and not graduating when they get older in the higher grades which means Freshman year of high school through senior year of high school. It doesn't matter how a system is divided, the freshman year is still high school...geez. As I mentioned, one of the school web sites I am in has discussed the increase in 17 year olds graduating. Parents getting their children enrolled in school at age 4. This means they are graduating at 17. Day long kindergarten is part of the reason.
And your problem with a child being cared for by someone other than a parent while you work or go to school is? Check the statistics on how many parents can stay at home with their children beyond 3 months after birth. This is reality with our economy. So working or going to school when you have a child doesn't make you a bad parent no matter the age.
Actually my sister is divorced now. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:34:06 PM | I am not going to use Wikipedia as a source. Gadget, will you please post the link to the table so it's legible?
The most recent age-breakdown was released in 2005 for the data collected in the 2002 US Census.
In June 2008 Vital Statistics reported 3.5 per 1000 in the total population. There is no way to interpret that data other than by state in that this document, because it isn't listed. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_11.htm | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:40:35 PM | Sratling, Cassandra (9 June 2009). "Blended families can overcome daunting odds". Burlington, Vermont: Burlington Free Press. pp. 9A.
That was the source listed in the wiki post. footnote #3
The cenus info is table 4 and table 9
In June 2008 Vital Statistics reported 3.5 per 1000 in the total population. There is no way to interpret that data other than by state in that this document, because it isn't listed. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_11.htm
Hence why I didn't post that orginally. I was off by a hunredth of a point. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:44:08 PM |
And your problem with a child being cared for by someone other than a parent while you work or go to school is? Check the statistics on how many parents can stay at home with their children beyond 3 months after birth. This is reality with our economy. So working or going to school when you have a child doesn't make you a bad parent no matter the age.
I didn't say anything about being a bad parent.
I still believe that going to school instead of caring for your infant or toddler is really selfish.
The rest of what you've said really only proves my earlier points, so it can stand alone. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 3:50:32 PM | cough.
"in 2008, 46% of all marriages involve a remarriage for one or both spouces. It is estimated that 40% of all marriages have ended in divorce as of 2008.[3]"
Pretty sure if the person who added this can't even spell, "spouses" and the source is an article written by a journalist, Cassandra Spratling (name also misspelled on Wikipedia), who does not cite her sources, nor take into any account the errors in basing articles off of numbers without interpreting them further. (As is the job of a journalist in her field.) it should not be taken as a relevant source.
Wikipedia can be edited by ANYONE.
Either link the table with the by age information so I can do the math, do it yourself or just agree that the 2002 information is relevant. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 4:10:16 PM | | The department of commerces site is messing up. But you can see for yourself. First go www.doc.gov. Click on the census link, and use the word divorce in the search. On page 3 I found some 2009 information however, my computer is not opening it. 2008 is on that page too, same issue on my end. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 4:20:39 PM | I am 19 and i had my daughter when i was 18...
She is the best thing that ever happened to me and i wouldn't ever change it...
Some people have an idea that teenage mothers aren't mature enough to be having children, and in some of those cases it is correct. But don't just all of us the the majority of young girls who aren't responsible.
Don't judge on age, judge on morals.
I know a lot of parents that are completely useless human beings that have a bunch of kids and are horrible parents, young or old, it doesn't matter, what matters is what your priorities are and if you are able to accept responsibility and cherish what you have.
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Posted: 7/5/2009 4:28:45 PM | Furthering your education is not selfish, it insures that in today's economy you can provide for your child(ren). There is no difference between attending college or working. If you have a good support system, there is no reason you can't work, go to school, and be a good parent. It would be selfish not to want to make sure you can provide for and be the best parent your child needs.
Below is just about going to school.
3 Reasons for Stay-at-Home Parents to Go Back to School
January 25, 2008 By: Sonia Simone
The joy of adult conversation
This is one of the things stay-at-home parents crave the most. Talking to babies or toddlers all day can drive the most committed parent out of his mind by the time the day is done.
A college course can get your synapses firing again and occupy your mind–at least part of the time–with something other than diapers and Raffi.
Stimulation gives you energy
At the end of the day, a stay-at-home parent is completely depleted–not exactly because the work is difficult (although sometimes it is), but because it’s so repetitive. An endless cycle of cleaning, cooking and answering “why” will leave you exhausted and drained.
The stimulation and change of a college course–and the fact that they are constantly changing–will give you a new perspective and, yes, renew your energy.
Keep pace with your colleagues
Sure, you’re a little out of the loop on the latest developments at your company. But you can more than make up for that gap by keeping up with college courses in your field. You may even find that you’re more marketable when your kids finally head off to kindergarten, if you’ve taken advantage of the opportunity to earn a new certification, finish a second degree, or simply complete advanced coursework in the cutting edge of your line of business.
Balancing a modest college courseload with stay-at-home parenting actually lets you have the best of both worlds. You can be there for your kids’ first steps and enjoy your children to the utmost, while still keeping your “grown-up” mind alert and energized. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 4:58:04 PM | I wouldnt label it as neither good nor bad.
it would be ideal for women to wait until they are settled financially, finished their educations, are in a loving marriage, and have gad some life experience.
But we do not live in a utopian world. Young teens and young women will have children wheather anyone likes it or not.
We cant change that.
We can offer them encouragement to be the best persons and mothers they can be.
age doesnt always equate maturity; i have seen abominable mothers ij their 30's and 40's, and awesome kick-ass mothers in their late teens and 20's.
I was a young mother myself and fared well.
I have a young friend of 16 who recently had a child; before she got pregnant i preached to her about abstinence, and about birth control if she wasnt going ti stay abstinent, and took her to get birth control when she told me she was sleeping with her boyfriend and was afraid to ask her mother for birth control.
Well she ended up pregnant, obviuosly she didnt make good use of her birth control,
and she came to me terrified, that she was pregnant. I took her to get a pregnancy test, camer out positive, yeah i could have railed on her but what good would that do? it was already done. took a deep breath and promised her my friendship, love and support.
I enciyrage her all the time, and tell her what a great mother she is.
One of the best gifts of my life was a little handwritten poem she wrote about me and how much she loved me for beign there for me. She has told me many times that by encouraging her to be a strong young woman and good mother, i made a difference.
I would never ever condone a teen to get pregnant. VBut, if they are already pregnant or have given birth, all we as a socity can do is offer them the support to be the best they can. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 5:34:31 PM | I am 19 and i had my daughter when i was 18...
She is the best thing that ever happened to me and i wouldn't ever change it...
Really? You wouldn't change anything? That sounds a little selfish. You wouldn't give your daughter a biological father who was happily married to her biological mother, if you could magically do it all over again?
it would be ideal for women to wait until they are settled financially, finished their educations, are in a loving marriage, and have gad some life experience.
Most of the formerly teen parents won't even admit this much. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 5:48:22 PM |
Really? You wouldn't change anything? That sounds a little selfish. You wouldn't give your daughter a biological father who was happily married to her biological mother, if you could magically do it all over again?
I just got done reading her profile. I would suggest some breaks in it, but this isn't a review. Other then comming off witty and interesting. It states that she is looking for friends. So which of us is to say that dad isn't in the picture in some manner? Not all dad's run. Ever think that she just couldn't live with dad, and they get on better being apart and co-parenting that way!? Maybe I'm grouchy from daddy withdraw or something, but, why do you women assume that dad isn't around? | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 6:00:48 PM | I just got done reading her profile. I would suggest some breaks in it, but this isn't a review. Other then comming off witty and interesting. It states that she is looking for friends. So which of us is to say that dad isn't in the picture in some manner? Not all dad's run. Ever think that she just couldn't live with dad, and they get on better being apart and co-parenting that way!? Maybe I'm grouchy from daddy withdraw or something, but, why do you women assume that dad isn't around?
From reading these forums about what a loser bio dad usually is, and statistically, the dad is not around as in; is not married to the mom, that is why. Plus, she explained what she would like on a first date. Also, I was asking her why she wouldn't want a happily married mother and father for her child, if she could magically have anything she wanted.
How long do you have to go without seeing your children?
First Date
Have a few drinks or just sit around and talk... i like romance but hey. ive never met a romantic guy so i don't expect much.
I want to get to know a person that is like me, im not going to settle for anything other than what i want, life is too short mot to be happy, i don't think that's too much to ask. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 6:07:07 PM |
no "girl" should be having kids, period.
True enough, but grrrrls can do whatever the hell they want.
Squirting kids out is every grrrrl's right no matter how fvcked up the situation is, or whatever the age of the grrrl is...
I feel for the kids.
I've met too many of the kids of these 'mothers'. Many of the kids didn't have a chance at a decent life from the day they were born to be that living, darling dolls their mothers had been dreaming about since they go the "Baby Pukes and Burps" doll they'd asked Santa for.....
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Posted: 7/5/2009 6:12:16 PM |
Have a few drinks or just sit around and talk... i like romance but hey. ive never met a romantic guy so i don't expect much.
I want to get to know a person that is like me, im not going to settle for anything other than what i want, life is too short mot to be happy, i don't think that's too much to ask.
What woman doesn't like that lol
From reading these forums about what a loser bio dad usually is, and statistically, the dad is not around as in; is not married to the mom, that is why. Plus, she explained what she would like on a first date. Also, I was asking her why she wouldn't want a happily married mother and father for her child, if she could magically have anything she wanted.
How long do you have to go without seeing your children?
First the last part about a week, the ex is on vacation with them. They are having a grand time, I already called him to say good-night.
Okay have you ever thought that there could be a little exageration about the bio dad's here. I'm sure the ole ex had said some less then complementry things about me. Even when we were married, and she met the dad of her other child. But, she may not be happily married to the father, just married. Looking at the ex again, they tried to live together twice, and found out they get along better living apart. Just as I get along better with her apart. HMMM something in common. lol. Well it is about 9am in Austrila, so hopefully she'll be able to speak for herself soon. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2009 7:13:36 PM |
I am 19 and i had my daughter when i was 18...
She is the best thing that ever happened to me and i wouldn't ever change it...
Some people have an idea that teenage mothers aren't mature enough to be having children, and in some of those cases it is correct. But don't just all of us the the majority of young girls who aren't responsible.
Don't judge on age, judge on morals.
I know a lot of parents that are completely useless human beings that have a bunch of kids and are horrible parents, young or old, it doesn't matter, what matters is what your priorities are and if you are able to accept responsibility and cherish what you have.
Your child isn't grown yet, she is isn't even a toddler.
You are talking about yourself anyway, she is the best thing that ever happened to you. She is an infant. She did not choose for you to have unprotected sex with the man who fathered your child. She did not choose to not have parents who were in a loving relationship that would last. She did not choose to be conceived, she did not choose to be born. Maybe you'll do a great job, maybe you won't. Maybe she'll appreciate you, maybe she won't. She isn't grown yet, and she will be the one who will judge your actions and your parenting. Talking about how you are in some sort of exception because you are responsible and were ready to have a child just proves that you weren't. Until you can admit that you were not prepared to have a child at 18, you'll just be another person telling other people that. A responsible young woman will prevent getting pregnant because she is responsible. You may become responsible because of your actions and their outcome, but you cannot claim you started out that way.
Judge on morals? Morals are varying among cultures, religions and individuals. If my level of morale doesn't include premarital sex, now it is acceptable for me to be against the majority of young women getting pregnant and having sex, in addition to that?
When you turn 21, you will reach another point where you will have to choose enjoying what your peers are experiencing or missing it because you are a parent.
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Posted: 7/5/2009 7:31:47 PM |
Furthering your education is not selfish, it insures that in today's economy you can provide for your child(ren). There is no difference between attending college or working. If you have a good support system, there is no reason you can't work, go to school, and be a good parent. It would be selfish not to want to make sure you can provide for and be the best parent your child needs.
I said furthering your education while your child is an infant or toddler in addition to working. If you work 40 hours a week and go to school at least part time (a minimum of 6 class hours, plus at least 10 hours for reading, coursework and projects per week - going to school full time is similar to having a full time job more like a 25-30 hour per week commitment to do well), plus several moms on here talk about how they worked more than full time 48 hours+ or worked 2 jobs (60 hours+) and went to school in addition to that. That's 56 - 100 hours + that your child is being cared for by someone other than his or her mother or father. If your child is getting at least 8 hours of sleep a night (56 hours+) that's time that you may or not be there for your child (some single mothers on this board don't realize it's important to be there if your child awakens during the night), but if they never awaken, isn't any sort of bonding time with them. It's not really all that difficult to be a parent when your child is asleep (they look like angels, don't tell you no, don't make a mess, et cetera). There are 168 hours in a week. That leaves 12 - 56 hours that you spend with your child per week. Versus someone with a 40 hour work and doesn't go to school who spends around 72 hours per week with their infant or toddler.
Why is it so hard for a single parent to wait a few years to fulfill their personal needs?
Why can't anyone admit that it is better to spend more time with your infant or toddler than to further your education when you decided to become a parent?
Below is just about going to school.
3 Reasons for Stay-at-Home Parents to Go Back to School
January 25, 2008 By: Sonia Simone
That is about STAY AT HOME parents going to school. While the other parent is working. The child is always being cared for by a parent until kindergarten.
That article supports my viewpoint, not yours.
You also left out a nice part of the blog.
Being a stay-at-home mom (or dad) is one of the most rewarding jobs there is. Many parents report that it’s one of the most rewarding times of their lives.
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