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Posted: 7/6/2009 3:33:25 AM | Saddle Tramp - do you really not know these things or are you just wanting me to write a paper for you? LOL I think you just want a bit of an argy bargy....
Try the Council of Nicea, 325 years after Christ, which basically divvied up what we were going to be thinking/reading in bibles about Christianity for the rest of eternity... university doctorates are awarded on that Council alone and the basis or non-basis of the decisions they made, so forgive me for not rehashing it here..... but here's what Wiki says which is a good intro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea, the origins of Christmas, haloes, in pagan ritual etc. etc. .....??
What evidence on the fossil record???http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_record
Again, try the links from this article for an introduction, however, if you really want to take me on, and a deeper discussion, erm argument, with scientific research material, do tell me and I'll be happy to pepper your inbox with huge quantities of bedtime reading which we can discuss at boring length nitpicking happily away..... :-) I love a good argument, so I'm game... :-) | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 5:23:02 AM | "Try the Council of Nicea, 325 years after Christ, which basically divvied up what we were going to be thinking/reading in bibles about Christianity for the rest of eternity... university doctorates are awarded on that Council alone and the basis or non-basis of the decisions they made, so forgive me for not rehashing it here..... but here's what Wiki says which is a good intro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea, the origins of Christmas, haloes, in pagan ritual etc. etc. .....?? "
That's where they where put together (bible meaning collcetion of books)...They where written a couple of hundred years before and 70 odd years after Jesus, but "written centuries after the death of Jesus", no...
"What evidence on the fossil record???http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_record
Again, try the links from this article for an introduction, however, if you really want to take me on, and a deeper discussion, erm argument, with scientific research material, do tell me and I'll be happy to pepper your inbox with huge quantities of bedtime reading which we can discuss at boring length nitpicking happily away..... :-) I love a good argument, so I'm game... :-) "
Here, enjoy (it's ok, I've had a copy for a while now...): http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=1349701706&searchurl=kn%3Dhidden%2Barcheology%26x%3D49%26y%3D9
Youtube run a docu for free if ye don't want to fork out some dollars...
Wikepeeedeepeepee...pee is not bad, but there are other sources... | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 6:25:51 AM |
Interesting..beyond the pale used to mean something rather different when I was learning history.
You're right. "Beyond the pale" is just one of the more recent examples of this pattern. Just tend to use the phrase as it's an expression that most folk have come across.
I think the Grimm Brother's prophesied it all ..when they exposed the relentless ludicrousness of the silly acceptance of 'comfortable truths' which have always belied instinctive awareness ..they said it best when they told the tale of.............guess which tale?
Ah. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling...!" 
I believe in a thing called love and I also believe in a shared experience of reality which stretches beyond the supercilious persistence of the pretentious alpha type persona's insecurities ( because they fail to come up to their own expectations) in attempting to secure their egotistical self importance on this earthly plain by abusing an internet forum to extenuate their singular delusion whether it be by abusing a second or third party (fake profile) to promote their self evaluated importance in an arena which would ordinarily ignore their disturbingly inappropriate presence were it not for the fact that they continue to make a nuisance of themselves.
There are people behaving like *ssholes everywhere. These forums are no different. 'Tis the usual advice, do not feed the trolls. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2009 6:45:15 AM | The concept of 'Reptiles' can be viewed as madness, however no more nonsense than we came from apes..... Creation?..the world being made in 7 days by GOD, sounds mad too...all these 'theories' have large gaps of the unexplained
If we did find out that we came from different planets but just forgot where we came from, would this quench our curiosity?.. of course not!, because would we not be wondering where 'THEY' originally came from?.. chicken and the egg scenario.. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 10:00:27 AM |
So I take it you were watching a completely different video than my link then?
It was suppose to be the one on illuminate not mutant teenage ninja leaders!
I don't know, pmsl....tbh, i didn't watch the video
My understanding of the conspiracy theory behind Illuminati, is that they want a One World Government, and a global currency system which they own and cream all the interest off. The federal Reserve in America is not owned by the government, but by a cartel of bankers who print money out of thin air and then profit from the interest repayments on loans. There's an audio book on youtube called 'the creature from jekyl island' that explains how the federal reserve was formed.
The problem with printing money is that it leads to inflation and once it goes over a certain threshold, it leads to hyperinflation, which is what's going to happen to the American Financial system. I read somewhere that the only way they can create a global currency system is to collapse all of the currencies at the same time, so basically everyone is screwed and has to adopt a new global currency (which some believe is happening right now). And throw in a few wars with countries that don't want to toe the line.
The whole reptilian thing is sort of heading into David Ike territory, whose belief system is along the same lines, but with shape shifting reptilians thrown in to boot.
Right....time to take my tin-foil hat off and make a cup of tea! | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 10:32:22 AM |
just keeps your brain ticking over
Namethat, if you want to keep your brain ticking over, I could give you a reading list. You should try not to fill your mind with bollocks if you can possibly avoid it. There's so much out there that's both true and so much more interesting than humanoid lizards (really, whomever thought up that show's a distinct lack of imagination). It's all accessible these days; popular science writers have, on the whole, done an excellent job at explaining complex ideas to us mere mortals. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2009 3:21:29 PM | [My understanding of the conspiracy theory behind Illuminati, is that they want a One World Government, and a global currency system which they own and cream all the interest off. The federal Reserve in America is not owned by the government, but by a cartel of bankers who print money out of thin air and then profit from the interest repayments on loans. There's an audio book on youtube called 'the creature from jekyl island' that explains how the federal reserve was formed.
The problem with printing money is that it leads to inflation and once it goes over a certain threshold, it leads to hyperinflation, which is what's going to happen to the American Financial system. I read somewhere that the only way they can create a global currency system is to collapse all of the currencies at the same time, so basically everyone is screwed and has to adopt a new global currency (which some believe is happening right now). And throw in a few wars with countries that don't want to toe the line. ]
Again...We're getting at last to the crux of the biscuit.... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 8:28:39 AM | | I found the talks on video that Brian Gerrish has given to be very good in the explanation of what is going on in this country.If you haven't seen him google Brian Gerrish Common Purpose. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 10:27:29 AM | | So, if these lizard creatures come back and enslave us all, what will happen to the pond life on Plenty of Fish? | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 10:39:18 AM | They would find it easier to get a date? I can think of loads of slimy men that would be very suited to lizard ladies. Mind you, I might go for one. Have you seen a lizards tongue? Could be a very satisfying relationship  | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 10:51:27 AM | ^^^^^^^
You make me feel virtuous and pure for not having thought of that aspect of lizard people. Maybe they could have a spin off from POF "Plenty of Tongue"? | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 11:35:40 AM | Having read this thread it seems to me the only person who seems to know what their talking about is Saddle-Tramp, he seems to be the only person who has bothered to find out information before making any decisions about whether to believe it or not.
Like everything in life, we should make sure we find ALL the information about a subject before deciding if we buy into it or not. Just dismissing it outright without doing our homework strikes as a lack of intelligence. Many great scientists who we learn from today were once dismissed and ridiculed for spouting nonsense. As has been said already, they once 'knew' that the world was flat.
Personally I can't make any decisions until I have found out more information about a subject, this being one of them. But what gives us the right to be so arrogant as presume anything that doesn't sit right with our perception of reality is a load of rubbish? | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 12:10:49 PM | Swan...In this thread I am reminded of:
“but how you can Talk without a Brain?” Dorothy asks.
“ I don´t know but some People without Brains do an awful lot of talking, don´t they?” the Scarecrow said.
Carl Sagan:
"I believe that the extraordinary should be pursued. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”
“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
There is plenty of evidence in writings of the past, perhaps one day, if our civilisation indeed comes apart, a meteor or whatever disaster occurs to bring about that change happens, then in several thousand years when "we" have recovered and re-invented civilisation there'll be conversations about ancient scriptures containing writings all about flying machines in the sky, flameless light in houses, horseless carriages, boxes with moving pictures and speaking to another human who is on the other side of the planet - instantly...
And in that time some people will scoff and put them up for ridicule (and in some extreme scenario, burn people at the stake for talking about them) ...
There is plenty of evidence around the world which certainly don't fit in with the current view of world evolution, as well as the current view of the chronological evolution of our civilisation, all ignored, all shoved into dark dusty rooms and drawers and in some cases condemned with vitreol in the "science" community...
However much one denies it, there is evidence which is certainly physically there, both temporal and pastoral...
Now, someone mentioned Common Purpose, a very interesting orginisation for the elite of our country, and if you probe deep enough, you might find strange things begin to fall into place... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 3:06:05 PM | Saddle-Tramp the 2 quotes that come to my mind are:
Anais Nin : We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
And dear old Albert Einstein: Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions.
Both are so true but the second quote is far sadder, dontcha think?
I don't know if I believe in what the OP is talking about, but I'm not going to instantly dismiss it just because it doesn't fit into my comfort zone. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 3:20:24 PM |
Like everything in life, we should make sure we find ALL the information about a subject before deciding if we buy into it or not. Just dismissing it outright without doing our homework strikes as a lack of intelligence. Many great scientists who we learn from today were once dismissed and ridiculed for spouting nonsense. As has been said already, they once 'knew' that the world was flat.
With respect, that's a load of balls. I don't spend hours researching theories about fairies, or unicorns before coming to a view about them. The opinions of a bunch of paranoid schizophrenics making assertions about global conspiracy theories involving humanoid reptiles should be considered with equal gravity to that of the plot of a typical children’s bed time story. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 4:24:37 PM | Robinson...With respect (unlike your post)...Research about fairies and unicorns (in the fairy college I would assume, or Harry Potter books) is nothing to do with the OP...
Incase you missed it, it's about historical writings from the cradle of civilisation (so far as acadamia are concerned) namely the Sumerians, and not as the OP said the Egyptians...
Some people find them interesting, like for instance how they knew the colour of Neptune before modern day (mid 19th C) astronomers (something which as usual "they" keep quiet about)...In fact, it was from the writings of the Sumerians that "our" modern astronomers went searching for another planet that they found Pluto - The search for "planet X", or as the Sumerians called it Nibiru...And yes, i know the story that they found it by accident...(Oh, in pops the conspiracy theory)...
And really, to dismiss the OP with reference to fairies and unicorns just vindicates Swans post....
Remember, Troy was just "fairies and unicorns" until some chap discovered it....Either Calvert or Schlieman, it doesn't matter, but I am sure you will agree, at the time of their research, they where considered seekers of "fairies and unicorns" until it was actually discovered...
Also, let's hark back to our very own "father of Evolution" he was considered a crackpot and shunned by his peers..."fairies and unicorns" again...
Now to the modern equivalent of the "illuminiti" there is certainly evidence to show there is indeed banking cartels who run this planet, I am sure you are not so naive as to think money doesn't oil the wheels of our society, infact, it's the desire to accumulate those very oils that drive people to improvements like cars (which one could cynically say "they" have got us hooked on them, and dependant like a drug)...Do you honestly think we are just fumbling along with no plan?...
The very nature of a con man is to deceive the person being conned, to make that person think he/she is getting a good deal...There is a saying up where I come from with the local car dealers, make them feel good whilst they're "getting the knickers taken from them" as my car dealer dear departed father used to say...Think about it...
Any amount of reading history will show you that wealth where the drivers of Empires and not the well being of those empires subjects....Do you honestly think it's any different?
Jeez, even in O Grade history I sussed that one out... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 5:03:57 PM | | I am from the Isle of Awantis and speak pwopah engwish even doh I mayt soond clazy. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 5:06:10 PM | | I have enough trouble getting my head round the concept of God without everything else as well :) | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 5:07:39 PM | ^^^ I hardly know where to begin. My intuition that it's a load of c0ck is correct. 10 seconds of googling shows me that the word "nibiru" has many meanings in the language in which it was generally written, only one of which refers to an astronomical body.
Reference: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/nibiruchart.jpg
But NASA of course provide a better explanation of this myth:
"Nibiru is a name in Babylonian astrology sometimes associated with the god Marduk. Nibiru appears as a minor character in the Babylonian creation poem Enuma Elish as recorded in the library of Assurbanipal, King of Assyria (668-627 BCE). Sumer flourished much earlier, from about the 23rd century to the 17th century BCE. The claims that Nibiru is a planet and was known to the Sumerians are contradicted by scholars who (unlike Zecharia Sitchin) study and translate the written records of ancient Mesopotamia. Sumer was indeed a great civilization, important for the development of agriculture, water management, urban life, and especially writing. However, they left very few records dealing with astronomy. Certainly they did not know about the existence of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. They also had no understanding that the planets orbited the Sun, an idea that first developed in ancient Greece two millennia after the end of Sumer. Claims that Sumerians had a sophisticated astronomy, or that they even had a god named Nibiru, are the product of Sitchin’s imagination."
Reference: http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers
Of course, it's up to you; believe the experts at NASA, or believe the idiot Sitchin.
Now to the modern equivalent of the "illuminiti" there is certainly evidence to show there is indeed banking cartels who run this planet
The concept "illuminati" is not synonymous with "a bunch of powerful bankers". To say that the existence of a bunch of powerful bankers proves that the illuminati exist is, to put it mildly, something of a fallacy. Of course the trick to any good conspiracy theory is that no evidence if offered and no proof produced. The society is secret, you see, and so are their practices, their meeting places and even their real identities (reptilian, of course). Being secret, the illuminati are beyond the critical thinking skills of mere mortals and investigating them must be left up to mystic megs and the mentally ill. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 5:40:05 PM | "The concept "illuminati" is not synonymous with "a bunch of powerful bankers". To say that the existence of a bunch of powerful bankers proves that the illuminati exist is, to put it mildly, something of a fallacy. Of course the trick to any good conspiracy theory is that no evidence if offered and no proof produced. The society is secret, you see, and so are their practices, their meeting places and even their real identities (reptilian, of course). Being secret, the illuminati are beyond the critical thinking skills of mere mortals and investigating them must be left up to mystic megs and the mentally ill."
Aw rite yer are then....
Look it doesn't prove the Iluminiti exist at all, that's just a label...It just proves there are bankers running the world, that's all...And they do...
So you would deny that the founders of the American dream where not Freemasons? OK....The US dollar is not crammed with Masonic symbols, just for one conspiracy theory...
No, conspiracy theories come about by "evidence"...Or does one just wake up one morning and think to oneself, "It's not true, the world is indeed hollow, and I am going to prove it"...I can hear a dong somewhere...
Sorry, but one cannot really debate ancient history, along with speculative contemporary history, with someone who resorts to ridicule, I do understand yer cynisism, especially after five minutes googling (I would cynically assume you formed your opinion from what "research" before your googling from Harry Potter books, or "doon the pub", but I won't)...
A wee bit off topic, but I am reading a very interesting book at the moment, all about recent history, beginning with the Fall of Berlin, though it does indeed drift back and forth from 30 or so years previous, and I am drawing some very insightful conclusions regarding conspiracy theories, and believe me, with all the archives that are released not just by the West, but the former Soviet Block, it seems the Soviets had their fingers in some very Western financial pies before and after WWII, and THAT is history, but before the release of the archives, it was all CONSPIRACY THEORIES, faeries and unicons...And one book I just finished, "mud blood and poppycock" all about the myths surrounding our "truths" of WWI, or is that just another example of conspiracy theories?
A FEW people made a LOT of money from WWI, and WWII...
For those who like their google, go and look up "War is a Racket - Highly decorated US General Smedley Butler"...
Sorry OP, a bit off there, but posted that to prove a point... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 6:11:57 PM | Really, you are taking the argument to something of an absurdity here. Men have always fought wars to acquire wealth or land and with it power. The first and second world wars were no different. You can't argue that Hitler was under the control of some secret Masonic lodge (by the way, one of my Grandfathers was a mason!) and that they manipulated him into starting the Second World War. Of the two dozen or so books I've read about WWI and WWII, it's clear that financial pressures had a part to play but it's also clear, particularly with respect to WWI, that the bond markets got it spectacularly wrong (The Pity of War, by Niall Ferguson is pretty good on this). In philosophy classes politics is all about Idealism. In the real world it's about Realism (read Machiavelli’s The Prince, or buy the audio book read by Ian Richardson, it's fantastic).
It's not helpful to argue the epistemological point, "how do you know anything you believe is actually true?", or "in the last century we believed X to be true, but now we know Y". That doesn't get us anywhere. For now I'm content to see that Illuminati-type theories are generally supported by those with various forms of contemporary neurosis, lacking in critical thinking and rationalisation skills. In all of the cases you note concerning individuals who thought outside of the paradigm and were shown to be true, a method was available to investigate and generate evidence. The weight of evidence, over time, will eventually overturn the dominant paradigm as has happened many times throughout history. The conspiracy theorist, however, has the luxury of only having to assert; he never has to prove anything. He can therefore say anything, no matter how ridiculous, and the illiterate or ignorant will be inclined to believe him, if he sounds plausible enough. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 11:52:57 PM | I think your comment "for now, I am content" in your own little world with big clever words and labels...
The epistemological view is what science is based on is it not?...Thinking "out the box"?
Carl Sagan, the celebrated atheist and sceptic, gave a very good illustration of a two dimensional being confronted by a three dimensional being...
I am afraid it's the illiterate who read the spoon fed mince that ye read in the likes of guardian or the sun who don't pay any attention to the conspiracy theories as ye say...
Oh, look at that, getting picked up in half an hour...Shave, shower and sheet...gotto go.... | |
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Posted: 8/1/2009 11:25:54 AM | | Cinema Projectionists and School Dinner Ladies producing Freemasons... strange one, that. I still don't like your organisation, though. Every experience I've had with you tickly-handshakers has been a bad one, so forgive me for not changing my stance one iota. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2009 11:34:07 AM | | You could lose the will to live reading some of the bollocks posted here. Are people so uneducated as to beleive that a society capable of technology to match ours can have existed but leave no trace? What of the production facilities? You cannot build a passenger plane without a MASSIVE infrastructure including mines (very noticeable, mines) and factories. | |
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