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Posted: 7/7/2009 4:43:57 PM | Its only those with something to feel guilty about worry about CCTV etc.
We live in a dictatorship anyway, when was Gordon Brown voted in by the general public ?
Blair was voted in not Brown and the sooner Brown goes the better. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 12:43:45 AM | | okrob.....you may well fear dictatorship in the UK and you may have plenty of reasons to fear dictatorship, but the greater fear would be a faceless bureaucrat in Brussels. What a great wrong it is that the people are not allowed to vote on the subject of surrendering their national identity to the EU. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 1:10:48 AM |
I don't understand why you're being so aggressive. I didn't make the damned rules and I didn't install the CCTV systems.
I'm not being 'aggressive' to anyone....
You made a comment in the OP, and I've stated that it isn't correct. You've since accepted that is not the case, viz:
CCTV.... Awesome for resolving crimes and keeping peopel safe, can't argue with that
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if you are then yep, fairplay the cameras did nothing to protect you
MSG 9
Thankfully, we can think whatever we like, legislation only kicks in against our behaviour.
We are told that it is 'hateful' to even think negative thoughts, never mind stating them.
You say "we all dislike racism and sexism" sadly that is not the case and legislation prevents those who think a person is a second class citizen based on their colour or their sex cannot act overtly to treat them as such.
Legislation also prevents us from stating our beliefs on such matters, whether or not we 'behave' badly to those of other races or genders. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 4:54:06 AM |
okrob.....you may well fear dictatorship in the UK and you may have plenty of reasons to fear dictatorship, but the greater fear would be a faceless bureaucrat in Brussels. What a great wrong it is that the people are not allowed to vote on the subject of surrendering their national identity to
Brussels is how many miles from London, wot just under 200 miles?...We have had for over 300 years and still do in Scotland, faceless bureaucrats further than that making decisions for us already...Ye seem to be happy with that though... | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 4:59:39 AM | I'd like to say about cctv, as it is so great where can I get a cctv hat that films and records everything that goes on when I am out and about.
From idiots dropping litter, to bad drivers, to any kind of lawbreaking, let's all get hatted up and film each other.
Would that not be good.? | |
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OKRob
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Posted: 7/8/2009 7:10:00 AM | | I liked it more when we were getting on to the New World Order.............. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2009 8:03:45 AM |
when was Gordon Brown voted in by the general public ?
Blair was voted in not Brown and the sooner Brown goes the better.
When you went along to vote, was Blair on your ballot paper then?
He wasn't on mine. Mine had Judy Mallaber on it and that is who I voted for.
We do not vote for our prime minister, we vote for representatives of our chosen party regardless of the office they may hold if they become the governing party.
Voting for the party leadership is down to the party members and/or MPs | |
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Posted: 7/9/2009 9:09:30 AM | If a Prime Minister resigns then the country should automatically go to the polls to elect a new parliment!
The office of Prime Minister should not be the personal gift of the outgoing incumbent!
Having said that - Mr Blair knew that the good times were just about to come to an end, and gave over the whole mess to Brown - such a poisioned pill...... | |
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Posted: 7/9/2009 9:16:52 AM |
We do not vote for our prime minister, we vote for representatives of our chosen party regardless of the office they may hold if they become the governing party.
So there are people who voted Tory at the last General Election who didn't want a Tory Prime Minister?
It's possible, I suppose, but very very unlikely.......
There were probably several people who voted Labour in 2005 hoping that Blair would be Prime Minister throughout the current parliament - might they feel cheated that the position was handed over to someone who they might not think capable of doing the job, and that they wouldn't have voted Labour in 2005 if they had known that was going to happen? | |
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Posted: 7/9/2009 10:22:20 AM | | i'm sure there's only about a 15% chance of getting a conviction,where cctv is used in the only evidence so deterrent....i think not.... | |
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Posted: 7/9/2009 3:36:58 PM | I think we all know who will get in as the PM should the Tories get the most votes, and I am sure people who vote Tory or any other party know this full well, I know the public are stu[pid, but not really that stupid (ahem)...
On the subject of dictatorship..Stalin was a dictator I am sure you will agree, he was also a gifted bureacrat, and like all bureacrats he surrounded himself and the law with red tape, and people where convicted on the slightest offence....Just like today...don't think so?
Well....
Going through a red light by 0.9 of a second will see you with a letter through the post,coz the camera never lies and guess what, the owner of the car will say it was someone else, and not them...who can that be?...you perchance, well then, if you write back and tell them you where not at the place at that time, well, and don't fill in the form telling them who it was (even if you have no idea) or not filling it in admitting it was you...Guess wot, you will end up in court with a 6 month driving ban, and a £350 fine...think this is ridiculous?...think you are a menace to other road users by not filling in a form and should be removed from the road?...then you surely love dictatorships, coz that's what dictatoprships are all about...surrounding themselves with red tape so the protesters have ultimately no voice, and it's easy to get rid of them, but hard to object...
Cycling on the pavements...That heinous crime will see you with a £60 fine, and in the dock if you don't pay it... | |
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Posted: 7/9/2009 3:46:32 PM |
Going through a red light by 0.9 of a second will see you with a letter through the post,coz the camera never lies and guess what, the owner of the car will say it was someone else, and not them...who can that be?...you perchance, well then, if you write back and tell them you where not at the place at that time, well, and don't fill in the form telling them who it was (even if you have no idea) or not filling it in admitting it was you...Guess wot, you will end up in court with a 6 month driving ban, and a £350 fine...think this is ridiculous?...think you are a menace to other road users by not filling in a form and should be removed from the road?...then you surely love dictatorships, coz that's what dictatoprships are all about...surrounding themselves with red tape so the protesters have ultimately no voice, and it's easy to get rid of them, but hard to object...
What on earth are you on about???
If you run a red light, you've commited an offence, same as if you are speeding, why shouldn't you be fined for it???
I happen to think that the speed limit on the motorway is stupidly slow, but the 20,30 and 40mph zones make perfect sense, as do traffic lights (and obeying them).
If the form arrives for you to fill in, you may name the driver if it was not you....perfectly reasonable. Or admit it if it was you. again, perfectly reasonable.
Cycling on the pavements...That heinous crime will see you with a £60 fine, and in the dock if you don't pay it...
Again, perfectly reasonable. Do you want idiots all over the pavements knocking over old people and children?
So you get fined £60 for it. If you wind up in the dock it's for commiting the further offence of ignoring the fine!
Do I like CCTV? No. Do I see the need for it? Yes, with our massive binge drinking problem in this country, the irrisponsibility of some people and the penchant for pointless violence, it seems rather sensible to me.
I would think differently if I lived in a country where the inhabitats had a little more self control. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2009 1:40:33 PM | | George Orwell was right, albeit a few yrs out of sync (about 25, to be exact). | |
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Posted: 7/25/2009 3:45:22 PM | | depends how you define a dictatorship? To the extent we didnt elect the Pm yes we are but whenever yo get a general election you never know for sure that a PM will govern all term. There is no constiutional obligation for an elction but i agree there should be and i know cameron wants to change that which is good. But even aside from that we have no democracy anyway since we dont have PR and only the liberals are advocating that really. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2009 4:01:11 PM | Its only those with something to feel guilty about worry about CCTV etc.
thats rubbish,
when i was working on the door at southsea portsmouth in 98/99 they had only just installed cctv... along the seafront ( a space of maybe 800 yrds) there was a BAR/CLUB called Fanshaws, plus 5th avenue/images (which became time/envy) and ZOOM/ THE BASEMENT which became known as Bliss and Lush plus Joannas a spill out rate of over 4000 people in less than 800yrds.... While this club was still known as THE BASEMENT A group of local chavs tried to charge the door they'd already tried to rush our door 200yrds away and been knocked back we'd informed the police who did nothing.
They then took the weighted down but empty fuel barrels and tired to throw them thro ZOOMS windows and drove a car at 5TH AVENUES front door at the same time.
Guess what was shown on cctv? neither of those incidents only the doormans response afterwards.. after they'd been attacked with bottles and various other objects the 10 o clock news did an article on violent doormen. Ive never trusted the news since. The only cctv footage shown was us wrestling the perpetrators to the ground.
I dont trust CCtc any more as i KNOW how it can be used. | |
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Joined: 6/4/2009
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Posted: 7/25/2009 7:38:33 PM | I am glad this turned into a healthy debate :)
Good point about Brussels. The UK government don't see us, how are those guys supposed to?
Deelight said something relating to the point in my original MSG1. None of it is to be trusted. They tell us the benefits so that we will nod and agree. But there are benefits to those in power that we simply don't conceive or even think about. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2009 11:19:09 PM | | We are far from becoming a dictatorship, I still think this country is too soft and politically correct. I think we would be better off with a dictatorship, I generally find the people from these sorts of countries are more trustworthy, genuine and have morals and respect. Something this country lacks. We have the corruption of MP's anyway so am sure we would cope with being a dictatorship, only difference being, we couldn't complain about it lol. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 2:27:14 AM | We are definitely heading for a police state...
*The continual unchecked misuse of the law by the police...
*Laws to discourage photographing a police officer.
*Police maintaining a secret database - and actively denying it's existance - on the lawful protest activities of perfectly law abiding members of the public - only for them to later admit it in court.
*The generation of a climate of fear, and it's then use to try to justify ID Cards / the National Identity Register (NIR)
*The very existance of the NIR itself.
*A culture of complete unaccountability - see MPs, see Police...
*The routine deployment of Tazers by the police.
*Other, and I quote the police directly here, "Pain Induced Compliance Techniques"
*Unjustified intrusion through section 44 searches etc...
The next government needs to make some sweeping changes, or we are heading for a very nasty little period in history...
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Posted: 7/26/2009 2:32:05 AM | Oh - and rather shockingly I forgot :
* The need to obtain a LICENCE from the POLICE before you are able to protest, perfectly peaceably, in Parliament Square - you know - next to the one building in the land that is supposed to be listening to your views...
Martin | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 2:38:30 AM |
I think we all know who will get in as the PM should the Tories get the most votes, and I am sure people who vote Tory or any other party know this full well, I know the public are stu[pid, but not really that stupid (ahem)...
That wasn't the point I was making.
I was referring to the possibility of someone voting Labour in 2005 thinking that Brown wouldn't be up to the job of being PM. I questioned the reasoning behind another poster's comment about a vote for Labour (or any party) being for Labour 'in toto'.....ie a vote for Labour has to accept everything about the Labour party, including its choice of leader. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 2:45:42 AM | | So, how many of you who're concerned about living in a police state are members of Liberty? I'm guessing I'm the only one in this thread who is. You can mumble about your liberties being taken away and of course they will be, if you don't do anything about it. | |
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OKRob
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Posted: 8/12/2009 3:30:52 AM | | I am afraid I only saw the headline so can't speak too intelligently about it but did anybody hear the recent reports and criticisms about Britain now being a surveillance state? | |
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