| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 3:48:53 AM | | You should work for the tabloids mate "Let the child beating **stard have it!" it was a situation that got out of hand the way you portray this man it was a pre-meditated attack. He wasnt alone there were 2 others involved, yes he should be punished but so should all the guilty parties involved. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 3:58:39 AM |
so correct..because the pc do gooders managed to get corporal punishment abolished at schools..this is now what it has all manifested into..no respect or fear of any authority by the kids of today..them do gooders have so much to answer for...
If a teacher wanted to strike fear into the heart of me threaten me with a detention; that would more effect on me than a caning ever would! Better still ring my mother - That used to put the fear of God himself into me because i knew i was going to be in a whole heap of trouble!
My mother never sent me to school to be disciplined with corporal punishment, she sent me to school to learn - get an education. If any punishment was required she or my father would do it. i'm the same with my son; if he misbehaves in school it is not their place to punish him with a beating, its mine should i choose to do so (i say only if i CHOOSE to do so because i can think of more effective forms of punishment) Place him in detention, take away his playtime rights, inform myself of my sons misbehaviour, but DONT take it upon yourself to discipline him. by all means i want my son to respect authority - i dont want him fearing it.
I think alot of childrens behaviour in the classroom today is down to peer pressure,....Children are very much influenced by their peers. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 4:07:45 AM | There's simply not enough facts available to judge this incident yet. I'd certainly like to see the child's behaviour records!
However, one thing I do know is that schools err on the side of caution when it comes to placing pupils at risk. I find it hard to believe this teacher would have been allowed back after his "mental health problems" if there was anything remotely suggesting he was a danger to pupils.
It's about time every classroom had cctv installed for the protection of pupils and teachers alike. In this case there would be a video record of how events truly unfolded, to compare to the various accounts of those involved in the matter.
We'd also have a fair idea of whether the teacher was defending himself against a long term compaign by feral thug pupils, or if he truly just snapped on an innocent child as a direct consequence of his recent health problems. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 4:08:38 AM | | oo i am soo gonna get into trouble for this lol, but from what i have seen black women are a force unto themselves even the gun toting gang bangers fear their women/mothers lol the family unit seems so much more united in afro-caribbean families, maybe a lesson in there somewhere. | |
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OKRob
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Joined: 6/4/2009
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 4:39:21 AM | There was some kind of anonymous survey a couple of months back. More than a 3rd of teachers want the cain to be reinstated but none of them can officially say so because of human rights and what would no doubt be a media frenzy should somebody speak up.
Kids are definitely more aware of their rights but they use that knowledge as a defense for acting like a***holes.
If I repeatedly jibed somebody at work for being a psycho, I'd be sacked. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 5:07:30 AM | Apparently they (the pupils) were singing 'I'm staring at the psycho in the mirror' to the Michael Jackson tune "Man in the Mirror".
I defy anyone not to be wound up by this. Of course that in no way excuses any criminal conduct, but who would either become or remain a secondary teacher in most state schools in this country? Not me, that's for sure! | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 5:16:32 AM | I don't in any way condone what this teacher has done but what provocation was there?
Was the teacher pushed to come back to work after being off sick long-term? Was he assessed properly before he went back?
There is a boy in my 10 yr olds class in school, at the age of 7 his mum was regularly getting called to the school because of his disruptive behaviour. Unfortunately his mum is of the attitude that her little angel can do no wrong. Twice the police have been called to the school, once when he climbed onto the roof of the bike sheds and refused to come down and the second time for having a blade in his pocket. He was moved by his parents to another school for a year and then came back and is just as bad. I'm waiting to find out what secondary school he is going to before making a decision on where to send my daughter. He once had her in a headlock in class and the teacher had to physically pull him off her. As far as I can see the school's hands are tied and he is only going to get worse as he gets older.
How are teachers meant to teach the ones who want to learn when the disruptive ones are basically let away with their behaviour? | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 5:52:38 AM | I think Mac hit the nail on the head, with a big plank of wood attached for good measure!!
There is something fundamentally wrong when the Teacher is allowed to go back to school at all...
**** the system!! | |
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Pud78
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Joined: 4/23/2009
Msg: 34 | |
| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 6:37:27 AM | The School failed the teacher by allowing him back to the school when he wasn't ready and by not monitoring his classes and his physical and mental well being.
The teacher failed his pupils and the school though by not informing them he wasn't coping and for not recognising the signs, after all he has already been off with a stress related illness.
The pupil does not deserve to be in hospital and especially to be put there by his teacher but it is unfortunately a symptom of the lack of respect and discipline in schools that needs to be addressed by empowering teachers. It is genuinely only a couple of kids in all class rooms and schools that cause all the trouble but exclusion just doesn't happen anymore. The troublemakers are being allowed to stay in school and cause havoc, if they were permanently removed the standards in schools would improve and the respect and discipline would be restored.
All youngsters have a right to education, however imo not at any cost and if they fail a three strike rule and your out that would mean they forfeit their right for education and the parents face some form of retribution as they are ruining it for the masses.
I would rather 95% of the youngsters in this Country got a decent education and 5% none because they refused too take the chances afforded to them than to allow all children to suffer to some degree.
The teacher regardless of the fact that in the past he was an inspirational and good teacher he failed his pupils on that day and should face prosecution for attempted manslaughter as the limited facts leads me to believe at this time. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 6:43:41 AM | Sad all round as far as I can see. The teacher will have to live with what he's done, just as the kid will (assuming he makes it through). I think both parties have been let down by the school.
The teacher shouldn't have been in another highly stressful situation. The kids, well the kids have possibly learned that shouting 'psycho' at people under strain isn't perhaps such a good idea.
We are all at fault, IMO. We should be instilling respect, not only for authority but for people in our children. The problem of unruly children in school is so widespread that we can't just blame the 'chavs'
What went wrong? Why are our kids so much worse than we were? Is it just the removal of the threat of the cane or the slipper? I don't think so, after all, most of us are of an age that corporal punishment, while notionally still on the cards while we were at school, would have been used very little compared to our parents. We were brought up in the middle of the political argument about whether we should be beating our children.
The fault isn't down to politics or 'do-gooders' the fault is ours, as parents.
the only reason he's there is no doubt because some stupid PC do gooder put him there under the disabled discrimination act.
How is the DDA relevant here? I don't understand, please explain. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 7:14:11 AM | Out of curiosity I delved into the teacher's page on "ratemyteachers.com"
http://uk.ratemyteachers.com/schools/england/mansfield/all_saints_rc_comprehensive_school/pete__harvey/2
Obviously, a site like that is more likely to attract positive review, but he does appear to have been popular and respected teacher right up until this incident. | |
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Pud78
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Joined: 4/23/2009
Msg: 37 | |
| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 7:18:10 AM | | That ever reliable source the Sun, I dare not question it did say that prior to this incident he scored 5/5 and due to this he was down to 3.7 and many felt the teacher they knew could never do anything like this and it was totally out of character. The teacher though is responsible for his actions but it is sad he is driven to this mentally ill or not. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 7:23:07 AM | i wonder "if" its decieded its true that the class were baiting him and im sure the police will find out who and what etc that some of the parents will be saying "but, but, but my little wayne would never do a thing like that as hes as good as gold when i pamper him every night, but sometimes i have threatened him with good old fashioned day trip if he plays up"
for the legal heads out there, i wonder if the other pupils could be charged if they were to be found winding him up?
if it goes to court and you were on the jury how would you see it?http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/district/district_bradford/district_bradford_thorp/district_bradford_thorp_wibsey/4370643.Head_suspended_after_claim_music_teacher_hit_pupil/
oh look what iv found
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 7:29:05 AM | According to "The Mail" (Schtumm!) his recent health issue was a "stroke brought on by stress".
Hardly the same as, say, a mental breakdown, although a stroke does affect the functioning of the brain.
It's ironic that, as msg 39 suggests, this teacher has given perhaps the most valuable lesson in his career (not chanting psycho to people under strain). I doubt the kids need any exams to see if they have absorbed that one properly. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 12:31:37 PM | Got to say I'm made up to see how many people are recognising how this must have been a mental breakdown attack. While Mr Harvey will have to take the consequences for his attack on the lad, the school must also accept responsibility for allowing this man back to work when he had been off with a stress related illness. They had a duty of care to him. They failed.
Mr Harvey had a duty of care to himself and his pupils, however due to the amount of stress he was so obviously under, he lost insight to his mental state, resulting in him failing to recognise he no longer had the capacity to restrain himself appropriately.
The worst thing this country ever did was get rid of the cane and flying blackboard rubber, never did me and my friends any harm except when we deserved it! I have to say to the lady above who said she would have hit back if anyone dared hit her with the cane... That just says so much doesnt it? Its only cos you didnt have it , that you think like that. Like Mac said, kids feel affronted if they experience any sort of discipline outside the home. Who the eff do they think they are!!! | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 1:56:01 PM | | Yes the teacher has a duty of care to himself and his pupils but no one knows what pressure he was under to return to work....no employer likes employees to be off on long term sick leave and maybe his pension was at risk.....sounds silly but he obviously did not feel he would be a risk-hindsight is a wonderful thing. |Staff are bullied by pupils all the time. I reported a case at my stepdaughter's school. The other staff members undermined the said member of staff also...maybe in an attempt to be "down with the kids". The worse thing was not removing the cane but removing the respect traditionally held for teachers by making them into performing monkeys, jumping through hoops for league tables and various kitemarks. Education and culture no longer commands the respect it used to. Children are surrounded by morons famous and rich for having large breasts or falling drunk out of nightclubs. Parents do not back teachers or education as a valuable asset and children have no respect for themselves let alone their parents, teachers or other adults. \and no self control. Thatcher's children are now bringing up children on a diet of greed and instant gratification-the DVD/DSS/XBOX generation. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 2:17:31 PM | | Listen, I read this guy had had a stroke. It's entirely possible part of his brain that usually repressed the feelings most teachers (probably) have for smacking a child over the head with a big stone, was completely absent. This is simply a case of a man gone completely doo-lally. Sad though it is (for him and his pupils), I don't think we can draw any firm moral or ethical conclusions as to the state of our society from it. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 3:27:38 PM | Its not good, but I'm not surprised its happened.
When I was at school in the 80's kids used to compete to make certain teachers cry, it was really bad then, I hated it.
There needs to be a return to proper MALE authority figures in schools and society and much less female dominance over young males, and if that offends the PC crew..
tough f**ckin luck pal. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 5:49:23 PM |
I think his choice of weapon was quite tame and he showed remarkable control under the circumstances teachers are put under these days..........I personally would have opened fire and peppered the little shites with an Uzi 6mm !!
What an irresponsible comment!
Have you any idea what damage that might have done to the wall behind? | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/10/2009 7:09:15 PM | | I don't know what happened in this instance, but if the teacher had had a stroke then as I understand it strokes can cause damage to the brain. It is known that some people who have suffered brain damage are affected by angry outbursts. It seem the brain does not inhibit these as normal. This is due to damage and has nothing to do with whether they are a good person or not. Given what has happened, the police would have had no alternative but to charge him. I suspect it is now up to a court to decide whether this teacher was ill or not. It seems a real tragedy. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/11/2009 1:03:04 AM | I imagine the police doctors are trying to find out if he has an underlying mental illness and if so he will be sectioned under the mental health act and go straight to a secure psychiatric unit. He will still attend court though at some point but they dont decide if he is mentally ill they just decide what to do with him... probably send him back to the unit till the dust settles and then release him drugged up to eyeballs for rest of his life. Not my idea of a great retirement after all those years of devotion and hard work.
Bring back corporal punishment  | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/11/2009 1:17:57 AM |
It makes you wonder what these kids are being taught at home where these very basic moral teachings should be being instilled by their parents !!
In some cases, the parents will be very poor role models.
Even worse are those parents who 'attack' anyone who questions the actions of their kids.
If ever a neighbour told my mom about some transgression I'd done, Mom would thank them and play hell with me.... | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/11/2009 2:33:44 AM | We all want to protect our children and think they would do nothing wrong, i guess i was kinda like that at first. Then you catch your own kids in the act of winding up or playing up first, then you know.
Kids are nasty and most grow up to be forgiving of their actions, but some carry on being nasty ****s.
There are some right scallies near me, i guess they are profound everywhere. Though i would never raise a fist etc, i tell them where to go if they pick on my son.
I did with one lil shit, and since then he has been fine..
His mum is ok, a tough nut to. You don't cross that family, so it is just best to make sure all is well and be polite..Keep ya mouth shut sometimes.. | |
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| Teacher held on suspicon of attempted murder.
Posted: 7/11/2009 5:29:30 AM |
Was this just a ticking timebomb,A result of a namby pamby society that have stripped teachers of their rights to control pupils actions?.
I'm not defending the teacher's assault, but I have to agree with the above.
Teacher taunting has become a sport in some schools and the only way to put an end to it is by giving back some of the power that teachers have been stripped of.
Children aren't being done any favours by being allowed to disrupt classes and show such blatant disrespect for adults. | |
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