| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 6:13:05 PM | | I think all of yu should look at my "Pee Power" thread! How to produce burnable hydrogen using pee...a cow can produce enough to run half a dozen houses! | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 6:27:52 PM | """Instant free energy. At least till they track it down and arrest you.""""
not soo, read mine... the guy with the barn with lights using power leaking from transmission lines... the power comapny took him to court... and the judge said.. well does he have lines running from his light to your power grid... "well no"... then he is not stealing power.. he is simply using the power you are waisting in the first place... i highly recomend stealing power using this method... be carfull... that voltage will do one of 3 things to you... turn you to a black crisp, blow the meat off your bones.. or turn you to dust completly... stay 7 meters away atleast.. my limits of approch are 2 meters to the 500 kv lines... but, im trained for it... you are not | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 6:43:07 PM | Mythbusters tried that one, too... what they found was -
1) you need a LARGE coil of wire, not just a single loop
2) you have to get it rather close (some would say dangerously so) to the power line
3) you'll wind up with enough 'free energy' to charge your cellphone. (The developed slightly more than 3V)
Probably easier and safer to build your own wind turbine...  | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 6:48:24 PM | """Mythbusters tried that one, too... what they found was -
1) you need a LARGE coil of wire, not just a single loop
2) you have to get it rather close (some would say dangerously so) to the power line
3) you'll wind up with enough 'free energy' to charge your cellphone. (The developed slightly more than 3V)
Probably easier and safer to build your own wind turbine... """"
i saw that one... mythbusters messed that one up severly... i mean majorly.. i actually think the power companies paid them to make it look that way, if you stand under any transmission like 138 kv or higher.. and you have a floresant light... it will iluminate... ive done so personaly... and those lights need way more than 3 volts to work... mythbusters got it wrong... there is a large amount of energy leaking from powerlines, and the larger the line, more power... if you are tryng to steal power from a single faze 14kv line, you would have to be withing 2 feet, but that is a tiny line... try it out for yourself | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 6:56:50 PM | Apparently the production of usable energy using permanent magnets in a rotating device or "engine" exists. A fellow by the name of Micheal Brady has started a company called Perendev which produces 100 kw. and 300kw. generators as well as one to power a car. It looks so beautifully simple. No inputs. No pollution.
Do a search for the company name and see for yourself. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 7:35:00 PM |
Apparently the production of usable energy using permanent magnets in a rotating device or "engine" exists. A fellow by the name of Micheal Brady has started a company called Perendev which produces 100 kw. and 300kw. generators as well as one to power a car. It looks so beautifully simple. No inputs. No pollution.
Wishful thinking is always simple. It just never works. If he was correct, he could easily win a Nobel prize by invalidating QED (as well as Maxwell's equations). Needless to say, I'm sure that this is another device powered by posturing and hot air. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 7:44:01 PM | | Actually, it's powered by a pile of parts in the back of the guy's pickup truck. So far. And yet the guy is promising a 3.6 second 0-100 km/hour. WTF-ever. Again, "show me." | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 9:33:06 PM | | I have the, A practical guide to "free energy" devices by Patrick J Kelly on my comp(20 mb). One chapter is all about patents on magnetic generators.Check it out, its a very good book.Some of Tesla's work is in it also. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 9:53:18 PM |
Is this just an uneducated stupid impossible thought or could there be any possible way of powering something with electricity to produce more electricity than you put in?
I guess we would not have electric bills if this was possible but still i would like to know the answer.What percentage could you expect to get back from the most economical of possible generators?and why the loss ?
You are basically talking about the electrical version of a perpetual motion machine. Many have claimed to make one, but have been outed as cheating in some way. Machines that produce more energy than they use violate the law of conservation of energy. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 10:40:34 PM | | It's widely known that if you take an ordinary extension cord and plug one of its ends into the other, forming a closed loop, that the electricity inside of that circuit is effectively limitless, but so far nobody has been able to overcome the problem of tapping into it without disrupting the current, which stops whenever anything else is introduced into the circuit. If you could invent something that could tap in without shutting it down, you could power the world from one such source. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/12/2009 10:51:40 PM |
It's widely known that if you take an ordinary extension cord and plug one of its ends into the other, forming a closed loop, that the electricity inside of that circuit is effectively limitless, but so far nobody has been able to overcome the problem of tapping into it without disrupting the current, which stops whenever anything else is introduced into the circuit. If you could invent something that could tap in without shutting it down, you could power the world from one such source.
I would think someone would have put a current meter on that and checked it out by now....if such an effect existed it would be a simple matter to use inductance to pull energy out. I'd like to know where this is so widely known. Sounds like another perpetual motion gag to me. | |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 11:17:20 PM |
It's widely known that if you take an ordinary extension cord and plug one of its ends into the other,
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What should be widely known is that statement is vacuous. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/13/2009 11:05:02 AM |
There is a method of doing this with magnetism.Stepping up a battery to run your household power.It was done by a man in the states already but he has been halted at every attempt to get a patent for obvious reasons.Would love to get the basic design down and build one myself for just myself.
Not going to get any patents there because its just basic electricity.
Electricity has two components: voltage and current. By use of a transformer you can increase or decrease voltage but this is not "free" power as the current changes in the opposite direction to the voltage.
If you obtain power from a 12 volt battery it is direct current. Direct current cannot be "stepped up" through a transformer so the DC has to be changed to Alternating current first. The easiest method for converting DC to AC is a switching drive which alternately turns the DC supply on and off, giving 0V to 12V pulses. This isn't really AC as the current flows only in one direction (half wave) but when you feed this into a transformer the resulting current does go in both directions.
Lets say you have a power supply capable of delivering 12 volts AC (VAC) at 2 amps. The circuit is perfect and there are no losses whatsoever. If this is stepped up to 120 volts you will not be able to run a 2 amp load because current was traded for voltage. Ten times the voltage means you get 1/10th the current so the 120VAC side couple only run a 200 milliamp load.
As mentioned earlier, this is the law of conservation of energy. Power in = Power out (minus losses which we're ignoring for now).
P=IE
Electrical Power (P) = Voltage (E) x Current(I)
12VP = 12 volts x 2 amps = 24 watts.
The 120VAC side can only deliver 24 watts because thats all that can be fed into the 12V side. To see how much current can be delivered on the 120V side just plug in the 120V numbers
24watts = 120V x XAmps
24watts / 120V = XAmps
XAmps = 0.2 amps
In the real world you'll get less than 200 milliamps of course. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/13/2009 4:18:49 PM | ^^^^nope,because of the problem is you can't patent a perpetual motion machine but the maker of the magnacoaster seems to have gotten around that problem by using it in a solar configuration.Can't patent sex toys either  | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/13/2009 7:33:47 PM | | Anyone who claims to have a perpetual motion machine of any sort, but particularly this type of electricity from electricity, who is not feeding megawatts back into the grid is a liar, a moron, or both. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/13/2009 10:40:43 PM | I recall reading an article recently about a cellphone manufacturer, I believe it was Nokia, who had developed a 'free electricity' device for their phones.
Apparently, it simply converts ambient radio frequencies - the key being that they use all available frequencies, not just one set frequency - into electrical energy; and mention of Tesla was made in that context. Sounded kind of cool; if the conversion can be done, there is certainly no shortage of radio stations to supply the free power.
However, as I recall, the device did not actually run the phone: it just trickled a continuous, miniscule charge to the batteries to keep them topped up. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/13/2009 11:06:11 PM | That part is certainly possible. Solar panels do that. Microwave towers do that, though for data transmission. Lasers and their collectors do it, again for data transmission. Ditto radio, radar, etc. It's all light energy transmitted, received, and converted. STray signals of any sort could certainly be collected.
Magically multiplying an existing source...is just fraudulent. It'd be interesting to see these "Dragons" consider the issue on-air. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2009 8:47:25 AM | However, as I recall, the device did not actually run the phone: it just trickled a continuous, miniscule charge to the batteries to keep them topped up.
That is certainly an interesting idea, since it's at least possible, in principle.
"well no"... then he is not stealing power.. he is simply using the power you are waisting in the first place...
Actually it is stealling power, since that power is not being wasted. The power is being extracted by coupling into it with a coil. It's the same principle as a transformer. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/14/2009 8:58:43 AM | ^^^^nope,because of the problem is you can't patent a perpetual motion machine but the maker of the magnacoaster seems to have gotten around that problem by using it in a solar configuration.
There are also patents for swinging sideways on a swing and a gravity powered shoe air conditioner, except that these two inventions are less stupid than the magnacoaster. Quantum electrodynamics is known to agree with experiments to parts in 10^13, making it the most precisely tested theory in the history of this planet. That means whatever effect magnacoaster could depend upon to work has to be so small that it couldn't be responsible for any effect that could support the claims, since those claims would violate not only qed, but Maxwell's equations and hence the violation would have been apparent more than a century ago. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2009 2:52:50 PM | Teslas idea was to build a radio tower and pump out signal with a huge amount of wattage that you could then tap with a antenna. RFID chips work by tapping energy of an antenna.
The presence of the second antenna would be stealing. Putting any kind of resistive load (lights, motor etc) on the antenna will increase the resistance on the power line thus its stealing power. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/14/2009 3:44:49 PM |
Teslas idea was to build a radio tower and pump out signal with a huge amount of wattage that you could then tap with a antenna. RFID chips work by tapping energy of an antenna.
Tesla's idea was completely different than the way rfid chips work, although Tesla did not realize that. RFID chips pick up the radiation fields and the radiation fields are the fields which are no longer coupled to the antenna, hence ARE radiated away and ``wasted'' so-to-speak. Tesla thought he could transmit the electrical power that is typically derived from the electrical lines in the same way, but that isn't the case. The power obtained through some inductive coupling to the near fields is NOT power that is being radiated, but power that is removed soley because of the coupling and it's not very efficient. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2009 6:55:32 PM | AL and DR, Just a wee bit sensitive airn't ya Amazing how easily you slipped into reading something into I never said other than someone was trying it and the concept sounds cool and by stating a fact that you can't patent a pmm.The concept of traveling faster than the speed of light sounds cool too but it dosen't mean that I think it's possible. You guys are too easy,as bad as the egg heads at the nuke plant.The very thought that someone trying and succeeding would shatter your little egos wouldn't it after all the years of study you must have done.This site has the perfect name after all because you two are pretty big fish.I havn't been on here for a bit cause it's summer and Iv'e been getting my Sundancer ready for the season.But believe me if I hear that he has succeeded while I'm cruising Lake Huron I will be busting a gut laughing on how I know it will affect you two.Later all and have a good summer | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/14/2009 11:37:20 PM | It is already near impossible to achieve the perpetual motion machine... much less a mechanical device that multiplies energy.
Nuclear energy is probably the closest to this. The energy from a small atom multiplies but is not an endless source. It still needs to be renewed.
But it's the closest model we have.  | |
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Posted: 7/15/2009 7:25:45 AM | Here's another video which you might find interesting: "Project Camelot Looks at George Green's magnetic motor" (U-tube video)
I'm tempted to try building from this simple idea to power my bicycle. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/15/2009 9:55:31 AM | The only way to get electricity from electricity would still involve an overall loss of energy from the system.
That would be to set up huge collection grids of lightning rods and run them through a system of capacitors and step down transformers and then either directly to the grid, or to a systom of battery banks.
Either way, you would require a high lightning strike rate, and you would still wind up losing much of the bolt's original energy in the form of heat.
Possible, yes, but highly impractical and inefficient. | |
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