| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/15/2009 10:11:58 AM |
Apparently the production of usable energy using permanent magnets in a rotating device or "engine" exists. A fellow by the name of Micheal Brady has started a company called Perendev which produces 100 kw. and 300kw. generators as well as one to power a car. It looks so beautifully simple. No inputs. No pollution.
Do a search for the company name and see for yourself.
Oh wow, holy ... what can I say here that won't get censored... lol rofl
This is called a stator, and they've been around for at almost two hundred years since 1821/34, and they most certainly require an input of power from an outside source.
You have two choices with these devices. Put electrical power in, and get mechanical energy in return AKA a motor, or put mechanical energy in and get electrical power in return AKA a generator.
You either missunderstand the concept being stated in the advertising, or your Mr. Micheal Brady is a class A charliton who will soon be facing copywright infringement charges from any survivors to the estates of William Sturgeon, Joseph Henry, Andre Marie Ampere, Michael Faraday, and Thomas Davenport. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/15/2009 1:34:18 PM | | I get the impression some posters are confusing voltage and electrical power. Voltage is only half the equation for power and power cannot be translated to energy without time. It's easy to convert a low voltage to a higher voltage but some energy is lost in the process and you cannot get more energy out that you get in. Something has the be traded. It can be the amount of electrical current or the amount of time the power is delivered. Incomplete or misued equations and/or terms can make for misleading claims. Deceptive math is a good way to con a novice. As Mark Twain said, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/15/2009 7:48:10 PM |
Here's another video which you might find interesting: "Project Camelot Looks at George Green's magnetic motor" (U-tube video)
I'm tempted to try building from this simple idea to power my bicycle.
Good luck. Let us know how it works... and how long those magnets last. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/16/2009 12:04:22 AM | Thanks every body for your input on this thread,your answers have educated me and entertained me,thank you.
Magnets?
I know very little about magnets or generating electricity but would something like a see-saw ,perfectly balanced to sit horizontally with a arm attached to both ends that (you intelligent people must know what i mean or what its called) will turn something with its up n down motion.Then position magnets under 1 end and above the other,would this move the see-saw? If so ,are magnets cheap and do they last.Is there an electric bill for such magnets? | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/16/2009 1:49:33 AM | It wouldn't work.
If the magnets are permanent, then the lever will either not move, or it will move one way and stop.
If you use electromagnets, you use electricity to do it. That means:
energy in = E [electricity]
energy out = Eo [electricity]+F [heat of friction]+M [movement]
If no laws of the universe are broken;
E=Eo+F+M. Obviously Eo will be less than E, which means it's a wastefull system. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/16/2009 7:48:03 AM | | There are a great many possible experiments that can appear to make more energy than they consume. Since electrical power is not directly quantified by human observation but only through instrumentation, such deceptions are quite easy. All one has to do in release stored energy during output measurement intervals while minimizing consumption during measured charging intervals. Since we cannot directly observe the deception, the so called "proof" is there. In an AC output system, one can actually have energy reflected by the load and appear as output when its actually input. This is how "power factor" problems with your appliances can make your appliance appear to use more power than it actually does and drives up your electric bill. Part of the "Energy Star" program is to identify appliances with well controlled power factors. The reflected energy the power company sees must be delt with as real energy so it is not free to them either. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:44:29 AM | | It's sadly becoming obvious to me that the reason why nobody has yet to succeed with this simple concept is because all of the scientists and engineers are convinced it is impossible, and so they will not even try. If they won't, what hope is there? I'm not knocking expertise and all, it serves many purposes, but progress seems the victim when knowledge so constrains the experts that they dismiss things as being impossible simply for the convenient reason that they are. One day when the impossible has been done all of this nay-saying will seem naive. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/16/2009 8:52:47 AM | What is naive, is the belief in "free" energy, when all evidence indicates this to be impossible.
What is naive; is to believe that some charlatan has achieved this, when all evidence indicates that they are at a minimum wrong, and reasonably often, fraudulent.
PT Barnum spoke of the naive, and he did not speak of nay-sayers. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/16/2009 12:20:55 PM |
It's sadly becoming obvious to me that the reason why nobody has yet to succeed with this simple concept is because all of the scientists and engineers are convinced it is impossible, and so they will not even try.
That is incorrect. As a scientist, I do know what things cannot work and what is an open question. There are data from experiments going back for centuries that have already shown what can and can't be done with electromagnetic phenomena. Answer this question. Maxwell's equations and qed have described and predicted all electromagnetic phenomena to parts in 10^13. How can any process that works at a level below that produce the claimed results, especially given that measuring phemonena required precision that strectched the available rechnology and the claims being made for this device constitute a measurement a trillion times coarser?
If they won't, what hope is there?
What hope there is, lies in phenomena that exist in this universe. No amount of hope will overcome that to create a device that this uniiverse can't support. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/17/2009 8:16:28 AM |
It's sadly becoming obvious to me that the reason why nobody has yet to succeed with this simple concept is because all of the scientists and engineers are convinced it is impossible, and so they will not even try.
I have made a career of creating technologies and products that employ these technologies. Having been there and done that for decades, I can say with confidence that it is not those with a grasp of science and technology that stand in the way of progress but those who lack such knowledge. One's mind must be open to understand the reasons why not as well as the reasons why. It allows us to find ways around the barriers. Instead of investing in what can be, they pursue what cannot be with religious zeal. Their frustration based in misinformation is more than a distraction, it is the foundation of political barriers to human progress.
I was recognized for inventing things by the time I was 6. I pursued a patent, although abandoned it for cost reasons in the 9th grade after I had already converted a TV into an oscilloscope among many other things. By 18, I had enough awards and recognition to become an engineer with IBM. To claim a knowledge of physics is an impediment to invention is completely backward. There are plenty of constraints to technological creativity from both ends of the educational spectrum but those ends are best summarized as fear of the unknown and arrogance respectively. The latter can be ignored but the former will bite. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/20/2009 8:08:30 AM |
bury wire in a loop perpendicular to a high tension power line.
Nope. Perpendicular will not work. The "secondaries" need to be in parallel with the "primary" power lines. The farmers and ranchers that practice this simply build an insulated fence looping around the right-of-way of the power line, assuming three phase lines. The insulated feance appears to be a normal electric fence. The power out is proportional to the load on the power line, not the voltage, so the output voltage at any given time is uncertain at best. They tend to use the power for heaters and battery charging since motors don't do well with wide voltage swings. | |
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| Generating electricity from electricity
Posted: 7/20/2009 10:49:00 PM |
Technically, you're adding mass and then converting it into energy, powering the process with electricity and converting the resulting energy back into (much more) electricity. Electricity Out > Electricity In.
But Mass is a form of energy. (E=mc^2 and all that jazz) | |
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