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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 7/21/2009 10:04:05 PM | These days, most children aren't 'free range' like they were in our day, so they're much more tender (I hear.....)
Mr. Chicken... I think you will have to look at the conflict of interest here!  | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 7/30/2009 5:32:50 PM | A new study out today says that organic food is no healthier than non-organic.
For more information, see Global National. The new study is out of Britain.
However, producers of organic food will tell you that it is not what is in it but it is what not in it --- no pesticides.
So there you have it, folks and fish! | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 7/30/2009 6:47:51 PM | I saw the report on Global on the British study that organic food has no more nutritional value than conventional food.
Often studies are conducted with a set goal or slant in mind at the outset, so I am more influenced by several studies with the same/similar result.
The reported study didn't compare the load of toxins, chemicals, fertilizer and pesticides in organic and conventional food.
Moreover the study did not report on the difference in taste, and in my experience there is at times a big difference between organic over conventional food. That is why I posted this thread, an informal study of sorts. | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 7/30/2009 7:51:34 PM | At the same time, the British Study obviously used the scientific method of research, holding certain variables constant, while testing one. It seems to have been a longitudinal study, too.
Come on . . . why would organic food be more nutritious? It is grown in the same nutrient depleted soil. Other taste studies show that people cannot taste the difference.
With all due respect, Poster 29, is it not rather arrogant to think that one can compete with a large scale study conducted by many scientists? This thread can definitely not be considered research.
Originally, people who were interested in eating organic food were trying to avoid pesticides and herbicides. It was never about creating more nutritious food.
The bottom line is that if you think that pesticides and herbicides are detrimental to your health, eat organic or wash you produce. If you are really worried, eat organic because it probably is safer, but remember we are breathing in toxins everyday. | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 7/31/2009 12:17:33 AM | It seems to have been a longitudinal study, too.
Apparently not...by the FSA's own admission.
"Without large-scale, longitudinal research it is difficult to come to far-reaching clear conclusions on this, which was acknowledged by the authors of the FSA review. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8174482.stm
It's also interesting to note that only 55 out of 162 studies were included in the final analysis. (They reviewed papers...they did no research themselves)
When pronouncements such as these make worldwide headlines, I often wonder what factors were ignored, who funded the study, what are the backgrounds of the scientists credited, etc...
According to the study’s Executive Summary:
“This review does not address contaminant content (such as herbicide, pesticide and fungicide residues) of organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs or the environmental impacts of organic and conventional agricultural practices.” http://www.postpeakpublishing.com/
So...technically speaking, there may be no difference strictly based on nutrient content, but other factors that may be detrimental to the health of humans and the planet as a whole are ignored.
Who is on the board that came to such broad sweeping conclusions based on a very narrow set of criteria? Here is one of them...
According to the Integrity in Science Database, Dr. Uauy has been a paid advisor to Unilever, Wyeth, Danone, DSM, Kellogg, Knowles and Bolton, Roche Vitamins Europe Ltd., and the International Copper Association. Ibid
Balled Eagle is not, if anything....arrogant....not questioning the study is assuming it must be right. There are large scale studies that pronounce far reaching claims nearly on a daily basis...to not question them is....what's the word I'm looking for...?
Originally, people ate organic foods...there was no non-organic foods...until the oil industry needed to do something with their waste products.
Indeed we are breathing in toxins everyday...why add to the mix? | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 7/31/2009 10:32:28 AM | The great thing about the world of corporate science is that a report can end up saying whatever you want it to say.
So often we hear advocates of organic foods claiming that studies are biased towards towards those that fund them. But this claim only seems to be made when the results show that the gap between organic and conventional food is not as wide as they might have us believe. I guess all of the studies funded by organic produce supports are all done on the straight and narrow without bias...
We so often hear that organic is healthier for us.
Kind of a blanket statement, don't you think? And really easy for people to make assumptions as to what it means.
Someone made a reference in another thread about the statement "every cigarette takes 7 minutes off of your life". A statement that originally referred to how long it takes to smoke a cigarette, but it commonly assumed to reduce your life span.
So what exactly is healthier?
There have been so many studies done, all with differing results, but the general conclusion at the end of the day is that there is little, if any nutritional difference in conventional vs. organic foods.
I guess we can say that conventional is as healthy as organic then.
Until we look at the levels of pesticides that are used. This has no correlation to nutrition but definitely is a factor in how it contributes to our overall health.
You will find as many different opinions as there are choices out there, and you can quote any study you want to back up a view point, another person can find 10 to dispute it, and can find 10 again for each of theirs.
The reality is that pesticides have been in use, in one way or another, for about 4500 years now. No joke.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide
Granted it was derived from more natural ingredients, and today they are primarily synthetic, but the fact is that we have been ingesting more than we think for a long time now. | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 7/31/2009 12:06:35 PM | Outdoor - One is not arrogant for questioning a study. That was not my point.
You seemed to have done some research and while you say that is was a compilation of other peoples research some of that research must have gone back in time. The only reason I thought that it may be a longitudinal study is I heard something about going back in time in 5o years.
For some reason, people seem to be taking notice of this study and I think you will see more research coming forward making the same case.
This is not my area of expertise so I don't mind be wrong. Personally, I happy to eat conventional food. I am off to Safeway now.
BTW --- the most stressed out shoppers seem to shop at a popular organic food shop here in the city. Even a cashier admitted this to me. It is push and shove in this store for shrunken peaches.
AND THEN --- they have this huge bakery and a coffee bar. Come on - those bakery goods are loaded with sugar even though they say it is cane sugar. | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 9/28/2009 9:04:17 PM | | Well, I can give another perspective to this argument. My family originally came from the Caribbean, and what I notice growing up was how much better the foods were that were grown or raised in the Caribbean than those found in the US. You probably did not get to experience this if you went to a resort. Something simple like Jamaican dumplings and chicken liver could surpass an American made gourmet dishes in taste. The main reason is that once upon a time most people in the Caribbean did not use growth hormones, pesticides, and industrial methods of farming. Of course things are changing now since American, and Canadian products have flooded most of the Caribbean markets with cheaply produced goods loaded with pesticides and growth hormones. What I am trying to say is that the modernization of the West's agricultural industries has helped to create tons of foods that lack taste as well as natural nutrients. Even worst these foods have been drenched with pesticides and growth hormones. So while the industrialized world has an abundance of tasteless foods. Those areas in the developing world that have strong agricultural industries have a dwindling supply of foods that are free from pesticides and in some cases growth hormones. Therefore, the Western example of conventional foods lags behind organic foods in taste if those organic foods are grown or raised under the right conditions. | |
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| Comparing organic food vs. conventional food
Posted: 9/29/2009 6:13:27 AM | Overall, most reports seem to indicate that "organic-grown" food is NOT superior in nutrient content to other foods.
There are exceptions: tomatoes genetically modified to last longer and ripen more easily sacrifice taste and nutrition. Some producers favor themselves over their customers. Roundup-Ready plant stains exist to serve the makers of Roundup, Monsanto. (One of the most abusive bullies in the chemical biz, IMHO.)
Many of the differences are related to plant strains rather than growing methods; fruits such as apples, berries and the like come in some varieties which ripen quickly or out of season, but don't taste as well. The first strawberries of the season are a type that always disappoints; the second batch are lovely.
Farmed salmon in BC are Atlantic salmon, a different fish from Pacific ones. Their life cycle, habitat and diet are completely different.
Most high-priced organic producers invest in the best varieties for their very elite market.
On the other hand, many organic SELLERS will keep food past its prime when it should be discarded, having generally shorter shelf life.
The pesticide residue issue is different for each food, and each region. In some cases, for each producer. Not to mention your own washing and peeling habits.
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