| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 10/16/2009 1:41:08 AM |
I believed we landed on the moon when I was 11 years old in 1969..But since were not on Mars yet I have my doubts..Plus we never went back to the moon, why not? It's been 40 years, just my thoughts.
Actually , we have been back to the moon.
As for Mars...as soon as we can figure out how to get somebody there without it costing a trillion dollars we probably will. For now it's probes. | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 10/16/2009 8:50:29 AM |
As for Mars...as soon as we can figure out how to get somebody there without it costing a trillion dollars we probably will. For now it's probes.
Bill Gates could probably afford it; I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if a privately funded landing ( launched from some country that isn't a signatory of any international space treaty ) took place & the organizers of the landing claimed Mars for themselves... | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 10/16/2009 9:13:38 AM | \\Bill Gates could probably afford it\\
Yeah, but the objective is a soft landing, not a Crash ...  | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 10/16/2009 2:45:38 PM |
I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if a privately funded landing ( launched from some country that isn't a signatory of any international space treaty ) took place & the organizers of the landing claimed Mars for themselves...
None, for the most part since the international response would likely be "eff you!"
I think the only countries even capable of landing something on another world are signatories. However, I stand to be corrected. | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 10/16/2009 3:02:27 PM | | I wonder why they didnt build the International Space Station ON the moon . Surely it must have been thought of , yet those chose not to . | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 3:38:06 PM | I seriously doubt americans walked on the moon.
Im no astronomer or scientist...
but there are layers of radio active "gas" like our ozone layer
between earth and the moon.
this would tell me, that everyone that went to the moon and thus through those layers must have been infected severely...
but the old timers are still alive all!
..like I said Im no scientist.. but I find it hard to believe men actually walked on the moon.. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 3:54:54 PM | Why haven't we gone to Mars?
One big reason is because we still have no reliable protection for astronauts from solar and cosmic radiation. Most astronauts develop cataracts and glaucoma later in life, along with a host of other likely radiation-related conditions or illesses. On something as long as a 21-month mission to Mars, they will be exposed to many times more than the radiation received by astronauts on shorter missions. I think effects of long-term radiation exposure is a big reason they are doing the International Space Station missions. Even the ISS won't reveal the full extent of the problem though, since it's in low Earth orbit and somewhat protected from the full radiation in open space.
This is a big reason we aren't in any hurry to get back to the moon, now that we're aware of SOME of the effects of long-term cosmic radiation exposure on real bodies. For all we know, until a proven technology exists, sending healthy astronauts to Mars WILL result in getting back blind astronauts upon their return, and shortly after, cancerous astronauts. The protection against radiation in current spacecraft is little more than that afforded by a soda can. Things that sci-fi often overlooks or knowingly ignores. No one knows the full effects of that length of weightlessness on the skeleton and musculature. Let alone the psychological effects.
This is assuming that man is able to build the perfect spacecraft that will function for at least 3 years in flight, but parts of it - for several decades, assuming much of it will have to be built in Earth orbit, as we don't have the capacity to launch a single spacecraft of the size needed, from the ground. Think of the International Space Station and how long it's taken to assemble and debug, then multiply that by a thousand times. The ISS was started in 1998 and still isn't finished. Expected completion: 2011. Time to build 13+ years. Expected useful completed lifespan: 4 years. A Mars craft would be many times more complicated. Simply to supply such a flight with fuel, food and water will take the equivalent of 60 shuttle flights (which won't happen).
A manned, survivable Mars mission is currently beyond the capability of any single nation. Even with a global effort, it could be for many decades. I would be surprised if a human set foot on Mars AND returned anytime within the next 100 years. The very effort itself could spark economy-based bloody warfare before it's ever completed. Failure of the mission (catastrophe) could put off a repeat attempt for many decades further, if ever. Do we send 5 to 7 people to another uninhabitable planet, or do we feed BILLIONS here and now? That's the tradeoff. What's the payoff? - finding out there's water or bacteria on Mars? Big deal.
Any plan to attempt commercialization of Mars would have to be on planned timelines of hundreds of years, which renders it highly unlikely. We can't even hold most countries together on one course of action for that long. | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 10/16/2009 5:51:07 PM |
..like I said Im no scientist..
... and it shows.  | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 10/16/2009 6:28:28 PM | lol!!!
yeah did i also mention english is a forign language..?
I speak 3 languages...
also I'm not some pretencious loser posing with a mini rocket, like it's a fallus. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2009 7:19:07 PM | I deserved that. My bad.
Still... it would not hurt for you to do a little research into the space environment - you will soon find that there are no such 'layers of radioactive gas' that you think would prevent travel to the Moon. There are the Van Allen belts, of course, but even Dr. Van Allen has gone on record in stating that they are NOT the 'lethal bands of radioactivity' that some people like to assert.
(Oh, and the 'mini rocket' has been successfully flown half a dozen times over the past three years...) | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 2:55:28 PM | More fresh follow up from Monday on this general subject...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6485215/Nasa-to-irradiate-monkeys-to-study-effects-of-long-space-trips-on-humans.html
I especially like this part:
"The beauty of this is that we can assess at different time points after exposure, so not only do we get a sense of rather immediate effects, but then we can look again at longer time points.
"That kind of information just hasn't been available."
After the radiation exposure, the monkeys can look forward to a lifetime of being looked after by staff and veterinarians at McLean Hospital.
A rather shorter lifetime, I would guess. They make it sound like they'll be living in the lap of luxury for decades rather than squirming from the effects of high dosage, long-term radiation not to mention ongoing biopsies the rest of their lives.
We can't take lead shielding with us because it's far too heavy. Any shielding would have to be dynamic, instant and wide-spectrum, equivalent to natural planetary, which means it hasn't been invented yet. If it were, the size and expense of it would only be justified by a very large ship and fairly small crew. Even then, it wouldn't be any great surprise to pry open the tin can at the end of it and find 9 dead bodies in it.
I hear monkey brains are a delicacy anyway... | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:03:53 PM |
I seriously doubt americans walked on the moon.
I wouldn't. They've got the photographic evidence from Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. The "conspiracy of deception" is unravelling.
Im no astronomer or scientist...
Am an enthusiastic amateur. So pretty much everything Rocketman told you, I can verify. They got no more radioactive exposure then a medical X-Ray. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 4:39:36 PM | a documentary to watch - In the Shadow of the Moon...
it has some amazing footage and some of the 24 astronauts that made it to the moon talk about their experiences-
a wonderful documentary- | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/4/2009 5:09:54 PM | It just goes to prove how so many of us have ideas and opinions that have absolutely no basis in truth! It's just what we hear, have been told or we are the targets for various schemes of manipulation!
Even when we experience things, first hand, it is through a host of filters and by using very limited senses!
As for the moon landing. I considered that it may have been staged, given the problems associated with such a journey, and the cold war climate at the time.
However, I did see a documentary addressing every issue the conspiracy theorists have brought forth, and I was reasonably satisfied.
But as a poster mentioned. I think the simplest consideration may be the truth. It's hard to keep a secret! On that, I have no doubts! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:21:44 PM | I watched Apollo. A lot of missions. My grandfather could hardly beieve his eyes seeing the crew of Apollo 8 sending back pictures of "earthrise" when they went around the moon. He'd seen the advent of flight. He saw all the changes aircraft went through. And saw man land on the moon. He was always amazed at the advances we were/are making.
Now, today, I sit here thinking I can't keep up with all these advancements. An iPod? WTF is that and what does it do and why should I get one and will it work here...on and on....an "app"? For so many things.......
We've become the next best thing to the "borg"...and we're lovng every minute of it!
Ask yourself...when was the last time you put your feet up, grab a cold one, and just watch a sunset without all the audio/visual crap going on around you? No phone ringing...no tv going...no radio or disc player blasting away. Just you and the sunset..... | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 6:38:07 PM | | yna i do that every thursday....go to the beach and just watch it rise instead of set. great to live in florida. where you can watch the shuttle launch from your yard just about anywhere you live here. ive been to cape canaveral 7 times and still amazed at what i see that was there years ago. | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/12/2009 7:11:31 PM | stargazer..
I'll take your word for the exposure..
and well.. I have no knowledge if technicalities invoulved in making a trip to the moon...
I admit, I watched alot of "conspiracy" stuff regarding this..
I still find it hard to believe.. that apollo pod is so small!
and who filmed it lifting off ..?
they send someone ahead or something..?
who filmed armstrong limbing down the ladder..?
how in the world ( or universe for that matter lol) can a camera work in harsh conditions like on the moon..?
emulsions on film, cannot stand extreme temperatures... it either starts melting or freeze up..
it all sounds to incedible to me.. | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/12/2009 8:37:52 PM |
and who filmed it lifting off ..?
That was done by a guy controlling the camera from Earth; and he was sweating bullets because he was afraid he'd blow it; he had to take the time lag ( due to the distance) into account & start telling the camera to pan up B4 the ascent moduler actually started lifting off.
who filmed armstrong limbing down the ladder..?
That was an external camera monted on the LEM. Not sure if it was controlled by Aldrin or was automatic.
emulsions on film, cannot stand extreme temperatures... it either starts melting or freeze up..
Yeah, that's a puzzle; people would also have trouble if exposed to those conditions... good thing they were wearing their spacesuits
You don't suppose they had the cameras in special casing with internal temperature controls, do you?
Of course if it was live footage we were seeing, then it'd be a TV camera transmitting the footage, so no internal film required. | |
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Posted: 11/12/2009 9:44:13 PM | A while back Duke performed a transplant on a little girl (Premier transplant center in the US). There was a lot of controversy as she was an illegal alien. Anyways, they decided to give her a heart.
They mis-matched the blood type ( They got the type from her chart, and accidently got her Mom's and not hers. The mistake was not caught until she began having a reaction and rejecting the heart almost immediately.) and even though they got that heart out and gave her ANOTHER heart and LUNGS! She died.
Screw ups happen. Even with professionals at the wheel.
Yes we went to the moon, yes NASA shit the bed. My grandpa once recorded a football game over Winnie The Pooh when I was 4. I was sad. Life went on. | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/13/2009 5:48:19 AM |
when was the last time you put your feet up, grab a cold one, and just watch a sunset without all the audio/visual crap going on around you? No phone ringing...no tv going...no radio or disc player blasting away. Just you and the sunset.....
I do this very thing quite frequently. Sometimes I sit by the fire long after the sun has set, counting stars twinkling like diamonds on black velvet. I watch the moon make her way across the heavens to finally release her hold on the night to the sun. I watch as the sun rises to awaken my little piece of the world to the glories of a new day. | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/13/2009 10:13:13 AM | ^^^YNA 6. Yes, We have become a society addicted to distraction!
And (I believe) spiritually, it's very detrimental to the growth of the soul! | |
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| Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/13/2009 10:25:58 AM |
emulsions on film, cannot stand extreme temperatures... it either starts melting or freeze up..
Back in the day when astrophotography was done with film and not electronic imagers, astrophotographers would use a couple of techniques to improve film sensitivity.
Chilling the film with frozen CO2 reduced reciprocity failure. Hypering involved exposure to high-pressure hydrogen. | |
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