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 TAKEN_itsallinthesoul

Joined: 6/26/2009
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Posted: 7/22/2009 12:36:17 AM
OK Spider, I found the thread to which you refer.... what I said in that thread was this


Don't mind futureshock...she is trying to make you feel like a piece of shyt for having a child out of wedlock and possibly using her tax dollars to pay for you and your child.

On Topic - having my children out of wedlock was the best thing I ever did to date with my life. Becoming a mother, responsible for a child, forced me to grow up and refocus on improving my life so I could be the best parent I could for my son (and now daughter). It is at times lonely and you will feel rather unappreciated and even like a leper (if you stay on POF too long in these forums) but you know what.....it is a beautiful and wonderful experience being a parent. Read all you can about parenting and caring for children because they do not come with manuals.


I wrote that response in May, shortly after the arrival of futureshock to this forum. After seeing so many of her threads all dissing women who have children out of wedlock and being one of those women myself, I was annoyed at her. In that context, I wrote to the poster to whom futureshock asked a question to ignore her....not the OP.

As for the rest of what I wrote, I shared my own personal experience becoming a mother. It is not my personal mission in life to tell anyone they do not have the right to be a parent. What I try to do is advise them to be good parents by educating themselves (especially young moms) on children and parenting. Knowing and understanding the developmental stages of a child can go a long way to helping one be an effective parent. Do you honestly think that a woman weeks away from delivering a child will suddenly think "I should give this child up for adoption?". If you do, you really are delusional or overly optimistic.

Being a single parent is not a death sentence for the parent or the child. Are there risks to both? Of course, but there are risks in all things in life. Advising someone to striving to be the best _______ a person can be is bad advice? Really? Is it better for me to say, "You are an idiot to be having a baby at your age and even thinking you can raise it yourself. Statistically speaking your child is likely to grow up messed up because most single parents don't do a good job at raising their children. If you have this child and try to be its mother, you will live to regret your decision? I don't want to have to pay for your choices so if you can't afford to care for your child without my tax dollars, you should be giving it to a loving family who can provide for the child better than you can."

I can't say any of that because it is not what I personally believe because it is not my personal experience of single parenthood. I did warn her that she will be treated by a "leper" by many....lol.
 heterotic

Joined: 6/3/2008
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Posted: 7/22/2009 12:45:22 AM

Like you, I share my opinions. Some people take offense to my opinion, well isn't that the argument you make frequently? Don't ask if you don't want an honest response? Just because you don't like what someone says, doesn't mean they are wrong....etc...?


Making assumptions is not equal to sharing an opinion on a topic. When a poster has become the topic, instead an idea, choice, or way of life, then it has gone too far.



Hmmm...you mean I am human too? Yeah, I admit I get annoyed and pissed sometimes with the way some people cling to their stereotypes and don't even want to see comments that do not support their stereotypes and I react negatively. I also get upset when I hear of children being physically hurt by their parent (s). I'm an advocate for the rights of children and that will not change ever.

I am as entitled to my opinion as you are. Contrary to what YOU and others may think, I don't need to validate my opinions to you or anyone else. They are mine and if I choose to alter my opinion, I will do it, not because YOU want me to but because I see value in the arguments or I experience in my own life something that makes me rethink my position on something.


Not all humans insult each other. I didn't say you weren't entitled to your opinion, but making public assumptions about anyone's life here goes against your arguments against why I shouldn't be sharing my opinion on a topic that will be viewed as an attack on others here. Obviously, I've never experienced a conversation like this, because this isn't my normal social circle. I don't understand at all why so many posters here would take opinions of ideas or anything that circles them as an attack on themselves.



Was this supposed to hurt my feelings? I am just checking because I wouldn't want to jump to any assumptions....lol. Bosox, you are very entitled to think I have no integrity if you wish to. Your opinion of me matters so very little to me personally. I know I have integrity but I also know that I am human and make mistakes also.

Not that my opinion of you should matter to you, but it seems that it does since you are in a snit now.


I wasn't saying that to hurt your feelings, I was saying it because that is the way you appear to be. Before the past few days, most of the posts I saw by you seemed as though you agreed and disagreed with your peers, but shared your feelings on each topic in a subjective manner. It didn't seem like you took any opinion personally, as if they were addressing you, and it seemed like you appreciated a difference in opinion, and saw why someone would share it. I even complimented you. Then you took the time to write why you toggle with me in such a negative way, tell me that I brown nose and give virtual high-fives (when hardly anyone ever says they agree with me), and then you not only turn around and do that yourself with someone who may be funny, but also has said some of the most callous things about ALL single mothers, and then take the time to write your slandering statement of assumptions. That is not someone who conducts oneself with integrity.

It was your human error to attack me when I have never done such a thing to you? Really? Who am I stereotyping? When have I ever made a blanket statement about any group of people?

It's not your opinion of me that bothers me. I've spent my entire life being bullied. First because I was too smart, then because I was too pretty, then because I got boobs in the 4th grade, and the cycle repeated itself. If your opinion bothered me, I wouldn't be having this conversation. You should be thankful that I am a strong person, because you are very mean, and if I was sensitive to the things you are trying to attack me with, I'd probably be in tears. The fact that you wrote an entire paragraph about how out of touch with reality I am, making me out to be some poor, pathetic woman who needs to realize that this man will never marry her when I have not once made a slanderous remark to you points to your character. Do you honestly believe that I seem like the type of person who would let someone walk all over me? Is that the kind of vibe I give off? I know that I don't, so the only basis you had to say all of those things were to try to hurt me.

And your "Well, you said, 'I hope we get married one day...' must mean you have no back bone" argument is a petty choice to defend attacking me. I've said numerous times that up until recently I didn't even know what I wanted out of life. I have gone into great detail about my life, and how picky I am. I have also said that he told me he loved me after we had been dating for a few days. Are you having a selective memory, or just trying to make me look pathetic?

I don't have to assume anything about you, I don't have to use the excuse of "it's not what you say, it's how you say it..." because it is what you have said that has shown me what kind of a person you are.

It's not human nature to nonsensically attack someone, it's a choice. And if you're someone that is willing to make that choice, then no, you do not conduct yourself with integrity. That is logic in its purest form.

You are probably bringing down on me everything you feel toward a multitude of people who you feel have attacked you, and it's so sad to watch.



As for the rest of what I wrote, I shared my own personal experience becoming a mother. It is not my personal mission in life to tell anyone they do not have the right to be a parent. What I try to do is advise them to be good parents by educating themselves (especially young moms) on children and parenting. Knowing and understanding the developmental stages of a child can go a long way to helping one be an effective parent. Do you honestly think that a woman weeks away from delivering a child will suddenly think "I should give this child up for adoption?". If you do, you really are delusional or overly optimistic.

Not all women can handle being a mother, let alone a single mother. This is the point you are missing. Many women are given the disillusionment that "everything will be okay". No, it won't just be okay. You're going to have to work so hard at being a parent and having a job on basically no sleep. You will be exhausted and you will break down and feel like your life is over. You will cry and want nothing more than to sleep, and then your baby will start crying and need a bottle.

You're going to have to put your personal life and all your dreams and aspirations on hold for a few years, and you may never be able to accomplish and do things you wanted to do.

Caring about women and the welfare of children is as much about giving them ALL the real information as it is about encouraging them. I'd rather the woman know all the information, choose to give the child up for adoption and go to a loving, ready home than for the woman to be blindsided when she's 3 months in, feeling like calling in sick to work everyday because she's so exhausted and barely even gets to rock her baby that keeps her up most of the night, and give up and start the downhill spiral that is poor parenting.
 futureshock

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Posted: 7/22/2009 12:46:16 AM
Really? Is it better for me to say, "You are an idiot to be having a baby at your age and even thinking you can raise it yourself. Statistically speaking your child is likely to grow up messed up because most single parents don't do a good job at raising their children. If you have this child and try to be its mother, you will live to regret your decision? I don't want to have to pay for your choices so if you can't afford to care for your child without my tax dollars, you should be giving it to a loving family who can provide for the child better than you can."


I would say that right to a teenager's face, and her parents should be saying it also, loud and clear. I would do that to spare the TEEN as well as the CHILD from a life of unnecessary hardship.
 Crunchy Tacos

Joined: 3/26/2009
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Posted: 7/22/2009 1:02:15 AM
Many people including internet punks like to take over a forum and control it with mob rule. There are lame cliques and much more childish behavior. It's best to ignore them or report them to POF.
 TAKEN_itsallinthesoul

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Posted: 7/22/2009 1:09:51 AM
bosox, did it ever occur to you that I don't read all the posts you make? Did it ever occur to you that I don't read all the posts written by everyone? I can tell you honestly that only one poster grabbed my attention to the point that I wanted to read everything written for a time and that was Futureshock and mainly because I pegged her for a troll in the beginning. Since she has actually started to use her own words more and quotes less I have actually gotten to know her and develop respect for her.

The last couple of weeks I have been engaged elsewhere than these forums and have missed I'm sure quite a lot of the flow of the discussions.

Now, I've obviously struck a nerve in you with what I said. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize. I don't know any more about your life than anyone did of the life of that young mother who was out to prove the world wrong...and people jumped all over her. Since you seemed not to "get it", I thought maybe it might be useful for you to get a taste of how it feels to have someone dissect your life based on a few comments they've read of what you've written. That is the point the OP is trying to make and one which you stated quite eloquently.



When a poster has become the topic, instead an idea, choice, or way of life, then it has gone too far.



I don't understand at all why so many posters here would take opinions of ideas or anything that circles them as an attack on themselves.


When someone posts a comment about their age and status as a single mom, you don't see how they get upset when the comments starts about how young women shouldn't be having babies? Really? That is one example but one that should hit rather close to home for you because you were young when you had your child.

With respect to soldier, I have not read everything he has written. What I have read were his personal feelings about his not wanting to date a single mom. He didn't go on to say that single mothers were scum or perhaps I missed those posts. His poptarts analogies illustrate quite well how silly some single parents sound when they talk of their children....the ones who don't accept that being a single parent does make it harder to date them.

Honestly, I have been in dead-end relationships as have many other men/women. Not to say that you are in one but if you were, most of us have been and understand how difficult it can be to drop out of it and move towards something that might just be healthier for us. It makes us human, not spineless.



You are probably bringing down on me everything you feel toward a multitude of people who you feel have attacked you, and it's so sad to watch.


Honestly, I have been under attack a handful of times in over 5 years on these forums so no, I have no ax to grind on anyone. Poor assumption on your part. What I have seen in the past 5 years is a multitude of people, especially single mothers being attacked for no reason other than the label of single mother. What I have also seen is fathers being put down, their value to their children being minimized by women. What I have also seen is parents openly admitting to being physically abusive towards their children. I have seen a lot of people in denial too. Fortunately, with the exception of the last 3 months or so, this forum topic has been more positive than negative and I've learned a lot from other parents and shared a great deal of my own personal experiences with others. This forum used to be a source of support for single parents. It is now filled with a tonne of negativity and that is truly sad.
 heterotic

Joined: 6/3/2008
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Posted: 7/22/2009 1:46:22 AM


Now, I've obviously struck a nerve in you with what I said. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize. I don't know any more about your life than anyone did of the life of that young mother who was out to prove the world wrong...and people jumped all over her. Since you seemed not to "get it", I thought maybe it might be useful for you to get a taste of how it feels to have someone dissect your life based on a few comments they've read of what you've written. That is the point the OP is trying to make and one which you stated quite eloquently.


I didn't dissect anyone's life. I stated my opinion about needing to be home with your baby and she engaged me with what seemed to be lies, based on the previous information she gave me. Since I thought she was lying, I asked her a question. I continued to ask her questions, and her lie got more complicated until it fell apart. When did I force her into answering my questions? If she hadn't answered them I wouldn't have ever shown the forum that she was lying. When did you start asking me questions? If you respected my boundaries, and gave me the opportunity to answer questions about my life, I would be fine with it. You didn't give me that chance, now did you?

I already got the point, but I don't view pointing out someone's lies and falsities as attacking them. I get it, but my opinion is that those people are in denial, which is something I choose not to respect. If you choose to live in a fantasy world, and believe that picking apart lies and fiction is cruel, then don't argue with me. Let me share my opinions and you can share yours, and all will be well.

You haven't hurt my feelings, if you had, I wouldn't be continuing this conversation. I'd be crying and upset. And again, "giving someone a taste" of what you perceived to be cruelty and viciousness is pathetic. My intention has never been to be cruel. I go around pointing out lies, disproving false statements, providing facts and sharing my opinion. If you are going to lie to me to get out of being under one of my opinions, I will tear that lie apart. If that's what you think is so cruel, then fine, I guess you can continue your name calling.

I am saying these things to you because you say one thing, and do another. It bothers me.



When someone posts a comment about their age and status as a single mom, you don't see how they get upset when the comments starts about how young women shouldn't be having babies? Really? That is one example but one that should hit rather close to home for you because you were young when you had your child.

No, I'm not offended by it. I agree with it. There are many things I wanted to do that I will never have the chance to. There were nights when I cried myself to sleep because I was tired and my daughter's father was in another state because of his stupid job. Then I would be woken up 20 minutes later to feed her again. All of that while I was home all day, the only one caring for her, with no worries of bills and food being paid for because I was financially secure.

I think it's sad that women who are in worse situations than I am can't advocate that what they did was wrong, and that they want to stop it from happening to other women, especially the ones who have deceived to get to where they are. The truth is most everyone in this forum is more worried about what someone will think of them if they come out and say, "Yes, I lied and got pregnant on purpose." or "I wish I had done things differently.", the latter because they believe by saying that it makes them appear to love their child less.


With respect to soldier, I have not read everything he has written. What I have read were his personal feelings about his not wanting to date a single mom. He didn't go on to say that single mothers were scum or perhaps I missed those posts. His poptarts analogies illustrate quite well how silly some single parents sound when they talk of their children....the ones who don't accept that being a single parent does make it harder to date them.

It was my poptart analogy, once again, and you have participated in threads where he has said things like that he "would rather gargle glass than date a single mom".


Honestly, I have been in dead-end relationships as have many other men/women. Not to say that you are in one but if you were, most of us have been and understand how difficult it can be to drop out of it and move towards something that might just be healthier for us. It makes us human, not spineless.

I've been in a dead-end relationship. There was no love, no more spark, nothing and I got out. I wouldn't be staying in one for 4 years. We are still moving forward in many ways. I have said before, we have an issue with communication that we are working on (mostly my issue, surprisingly) and he has issues with trust because everywhere we go I get hit on, even when we're standing there as a family. We are still very much in love, and obviously with my overshares of my personal life, have made it clear that the spark is still very much there.



Honestly, I have been under attack a handful of times in over 5 years on these forums so no, I have no ax to grind on anyone. Poor assumption on your part. What I have seen in the past 5 years is a multitude of people, especially single mothers being attacked for no reason other than the label of single mother. What I have also seen is fathers being put down, their value to their children being minimized by women. What I have also seen is parents openly admitting to being physically abusive towards their children. I have seen a lot of people in denial too. Fortunately, with the exception of the last 3 months or so, this forum topic has been more positive than negative and I've learned a lot from other parents and shared a great deal of my own personal experiences with others. This forum used to be a source of support for single parents. It is now filled with a tonne of negativity and that is truly sad.

I wasn't talking about in the forums, necessarily. I'm talking about in general.

Negativity is a big part of reality. While it sucks that people generalize about single parents for whatever reason, it's going to happen because there are FAR MORE parents who perpetuate the stigma than prove it wrong. You described many reasons why in that paragraph.
 rustic36

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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:09:26 AM
I just read nearly all of this thread from start to finish and my eyes hurt and I think I'm getting a headache.

Looks like this thread worked well to bring out the negativity. Its kinda like a "group therapy" session. Keep it up guys and gals, you might sort out your dilemma's soon, just don't give up, it does get easier.

SOLDIER... Thanks for the little laughs along the way. If it wasn't for your comments, I think I would have closed this thread on page 2. I'm not going to rub your ego, but, you do make me laugh sometimes.. Oops, I think I've already rubbed your ego. Hmmm, maybe not. I wonder if we have the same actual birthday day as well as name and star sign and good looks..

Anyway, time for me to leave this page and probably not come back here in a hurry.. I would hate to be dragged down by all the negativity. Oh no, thats right, I was raised to stand on my own two feet, think for myself, and accept responsibility for my actions. So I guess I'll be fine because I also have high self-esteem to go with that.

By the way OP. Many people that get offended and easily shot down are people that have been sheltered by their parents their whole lives and have no idea how to defend themselves and stand on their own two feet unless mummy and daddy are there to hold their hand and say "Its ok love, you did nothing wrong, it was them. Mummy and daddy will fix it for you". But mum, I'm 60 years old now. "its ok love, I understand, we'll tell them that you didn't do it and all will be ok, mummy and daddy will fix it. Would you like me to dress you and feed you?".
 rustic36

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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:13:55 AM
^^... Notice the nearly perfect 45 degree line through the smilies? Sorry, thats the power of the Gemini. Ask Soldier if you disagree...And we don't even have to think about it. It just happens... Kinda spooky really...

Lighten up people. Its just a dating website forum. Its not rocket science or your last bid to be spared for the shuttle off the planet when we humans finally blow the whole planet up or make it inhabitable.

Plus you should realise, Soldier and I already have seats allocated to us.. Because they know you can't live without the Gemini twins...
 8soldierfalcon8

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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:33:39 AM
Rustic - I think you understand me. I'm shocked and appalled. You should be ashamed of plumbing the depths of such a devious mind.

Gemini powers combine!

I think that would make a heterosexual Captain Planet.

Wait... is that even possible? Perhaps instead of stopping pollution he could use his godly power to take pictures of naked chicks.

I would approve.

Ladies, please stop fighting over me!

I mean... I'm kind of used to it... but not from single mothers. Like, any other set of intelligent ladies fighting over me, I would just offer to run a train on...

And I don't know how I would feel about that given as you've both given birth.

So please get along. If you don't, it's just going to make me hotter - and quite frankly it's confusing me.

And bosox, I agree. Coke is superior.... so I would exchange that with pepsi.

Plus, you're kind of fiesty and if memory serves, you are taller than me, so I would buy a riding crop or a whip to keep you in line too. Fun and mischief would abound. Nothing like taming a tall, powerful woman.

Mmmm.... taming.
 rustic36

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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:53:05 AM
Hey, can we exchange the pictures for actual woman? I'd rather use someone else's hand.
 8soldierfalcon8

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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:59:22 AM
Well, as you can see above, I already have to deal with women fighting over me on a fairly consistant basis.

I said pictures because pictures can't slash your tires, get pregnant, or go to your work to discuss feelings... while you're on the clock and trying to get things done.

I have problems attracting women....

I get too much attention.

Still, I suppose we could get ol' Captain Planet to bring some women...

As long as they're asian and the only English word they know is, "yes."

But that's only if/when I get to tame bosox. Until then, my life will be a sad and empty thing I need to write bad poetry about.
 rustic36

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Posted: 7/22/2009 6:37:41 AM
Well, we could do one of two things.
I'll bring the girls along and I'll take some pictures and pass them on to you.
or
Carefully select genetically modified female species that are infertile, incapable of answering back, are qualified chefs, massage therapists and any other criteria deemed necessary for survival.

(disclaimer: any comments held within this post are legally bound by the owner of this post and are therefore not to be taken out of context or misinterpreted as sexist or derogatory comments. Sole purpose of this post was to bring light to a serious depression that is currently sweeping across the POF forums. All persons who believe they are at risk of slipping into a sever depressive disorder due to negativity displayed and expressed throughout this thread or at risk of plummeting into a critical level of low-self-esteem should seek legal advice. The courts and lawyers of this country and those around the world are in serious need of financial aid.)

Now I need to get out of here before someone makes false allegations that I am posting off topic and has me temporarily banned for 3 days. When really my only intentions were and are to uplift and promote positiveness amongst the down-trodden POF posters that feel they have been falsely mocked, shamed and abused for their mistakes they continually make in life.

Have a nice day
 TAKEN_itsallinthesoul

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Posted: 7/22/2009 6:40:02 AM
You two are hilarious! Just the chuckle I needed to start my day with my cup of tea in hand, athough I did have to clean off the keyboard.

Soldier hon, hate to break it to you but bosox and I are not fighting about you. She has a man in her life and I have one in mine so as much as I might love the poptarts analogies that Bosox created, she doesn't seem to appreciate your humour much so this really isn't about you.

Rustic - you teaming up with soldier is well kinda scarey.....

What might be even more frightening to conceptualize is you, soldier and capitano making a threesome in these forums. Actually come to think of it, it would probably be highly entertaining for some (me included).

In any event, real life calls to me so the fantasyland that is POF forums will have to wait a bit...have a great day everyone (yes, that includes you bosox).



 heterotic

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Posted: 7/22/2009 7:01:52 AM


But that's only if/when I get to tame bosox. Until then, my life will be a sad and empty thing I need to write bad poetry about.


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Soldier hon, hate to break it to you but bosox and I are not fighting about you. She has a man in her life and I have one in mine so as much as I might love the poptarts analogies that Bosox created, she doesn't seem to appreciate your humour much so this really isn't about you.


I think that he is hilarious, but that wasn't the point I was making. And you are wrong. It is alllll about the 8sf8.
 TAKEN_itsallinthesoul

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It is alllll about the 8sf8.


my bad.....lol....I forgot, it is always about 8sf8....hehehe

Now I really must get on with my day...toodles all...
 heterotic

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Posted: 7/22/2009 9:17:43 AM
Another thing I failed to mention.

One reason I feel so strongly about telling mothers to be mothers first, and those that haven't engaged in getting pregnant young on purpose, and having sex with men you hardly know, is because of little girls like Caylee Anthony. She had a made up nanny when her parents didn't want to watch her child because she couldn't afford to party and have a babysitter on top of having a toddler. She also couldn't handle being a parent. She couldn't handle being alone.

I have read more than a handful of articles of women making up a babysitter in the past year or so and leaving their infants, toddlers and children at home alone. My mom did the same thing. The explanations these women give about how the kids were safe and it was better they go out of their own sanity than dealing with parenting is really scary.

Not everyone is getting caught doing this, as you can tell from how long these young women got away with it.

I don't want any more children being put into that situation, and I don't want any more young women jumping into single parenthood thinking that they can handle it, and it'll all be okay, when they more often than not can't. I think that living on a [well she could handle it, she could be better than the majority of unwed single mothers before her] prayer. 40% of kids live in poverty because they are raised by single unskilled women and don't have fathers. Isn't it this which causes them to be in poverty? 50% of single and teen mothers stay on welfare longer than 2 years.

And if anyone here feels like I have unfairly targeted and attacked them personally, let them come forward or send me a message and we can discuss it. Otherwise, your words on that matter are to me as sand is to rock.
 m_church

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Posted: 7/22/2009 9:27:59 AM

I have read more than a handful of articles of women making up a babysitter in the past year or so and leaving their infants, toddlers and children at home alone. My mom did the same thing. The explanations these women give about how the kids were safe and it was better they go out of their own sanity than dealing with parenting is really scary.
Not everyone is getting caught doing this, as you can tell from how long these young women got away with it.

Near where I live there are two casinos... (about an hours drive away...) I was there one particular night and saw a security guard patrolling the parking lot peering into cars with a flashlight... So, being curious, I asked why....
He told me that it was because some women bring their kids to the casino, and leave them in the car to sleep at night while they play the slots.... I asked him how often that happens and he told me "Oh, once or twice a week we get one..."...
If they find a kid, they will page the licensce plate and bar the owner from coming back... If they feel the situation warrants, they will call police... (which I'm told they do pretty regularly)
 TAKEN_itsallinthesoul

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Posted: 7/22/2009 9:44:09 AM
No child should be put at risk period. All parents should take the safety of their children as their number 1 priority and reminding some parents of that reality is warranted when it is appropriate to do so. Not every young mother or mother period needs to be told what is basic common sense though and yet......sigh.....I suspect sometimes in our zeal to educate, we offend. Neither for that matter do many fathers, young or old need to be told.

Parents who coddle or over-protect their children are not doing their children any favours either from a social development aspect but few comment on that and I suspect there are far more than fall into that category than into the one mentioned in my first paragraph.

There was a child abducted here in Ontario from her school who they suspect was murdered (she was 7 at the time of the abduction I believe) and I believe they have found her remains now. Stories like those and that of Caylee do make me want to hold my children tighter to protect them from all that is evil in the world.

Did you ever stop to think that Caylee's Mom killed her daughter because she was one of those moms who ventured into this forum and was told being a mother would negate her chances at love, was attacked for even thinking she could find love in the first place since she essentially ruined her life by becoming a single mother? Most of the stories you hear about women killing their children (aside from Post-partum issues) involve some guy she loved who wanted nothing to do with her children. That is what is sad also...that these women are so tied up in their need for love/a man that they cannot see the value of their children. There are many more stories of single parents too involved in their addictions to provide for their children but mostly social services or the penal system ends up dealing with those children - they rarely make the headlines except when they get in trouble with the law.

We sit behind our screens and we type out words at times with little concern for how our message might be viewed by someone in a fragile state of mind. The message it appears that the OP is trying to convey is that perhaps we need to be more mindful that words can and often do hurt people.
 Camille1597

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Posted: 7/22/2009 9:48:58 AM
Very good points, itsallinthesoul.
 curiosity_27

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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:04:52 AM

Don't remotely agree with that, yes it seems more irritating when a person without kids is on here being a douche but that is because they are an asshat not because they have had no children. And the no box in the children category doesn't also necessarily mean that the person has no parenting experience because they may be a step-parent, may even still have relationships with the step-children but may not have felt that marking yes in that box was honest because he/she has no biological children. And color me stupid, even if you haven't raised a child, you have been a child and have had a relationship with your parents or whoever else raised you. Bing comes to mind as someone that is young, has no children, and often adds valuable insight to this forum.

It is a free site and a free country, unless you live in Yemen, so if you don't like what someone says you have the choice to respond and rip them a new one or ignore the bullshit comments for what they are.


Sorry I guess I should have made myself more clear.... my bad. Yes I agree with you that people with or without children that are directly related to dating or have relations with a single parent should comment, but all these arguments and bias opinions from people who have some sort of hate-on for people with children/step-children/god-children etc etc should leave us alone. We don't bash people for not having children or look down on them and try to make them feel bad because they don't have children, my God people can be very cruel, and heartless. Some things are better left unsaid and not necessary just so they can get a rise out of people :( Yes, free country, but when people are basically asking people to stop their ridicule and bullying, I think it comes down to more than that, it comes down to integrity and morale that some are just lacking I guess. When does it stop? when single parents won't be able to drink at the same water fountain as everybody else??


LOVE ONE ANOTHER
 Spider43

Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:05:42 AM
So blowing smoke up her a$$ telling her everything is going to be great would have stopped her, eh. As opposed to a little truth?
Saw an episode of Maury that dealt with very hard street wise kids who made that girl look like a brownie and they were put through their paces in boot camp for moms.
They were all very determined to have kids but after less than a day of real exposure to the world of momdom quickly changed their ways, some even cried and hugged their moms to who they had just a day before swore bloody murder to.

I'm sorry but I seriously doubt giving one false hope and having that pretty picture go bad does a lot more damage. If more people would really get in the faces of these young girls maybe they wouldn't end up with their kids in the backs of cars in a parking lot at a casino.
Even moreso if they were yelled at before they got pregnant in the first place instead parents have decide to buddies instead of parents.
If they could look a little farther than dealing with the hurt they may feel to give a child up for adoption and see the joy on the face of a woman who could never have the priveledge of giving birth -planned or unplanned (as way too many here seem to claim ) then maybe they might see as the greatest gift one woman could ever give to another.
Instead you offer them a one in three chance of being poor and alone, poor odds for any gambler to lose two out of every three times.
 heterotic

Joined: 6/3/2008
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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:23:49 AM


Did you ever stop to think that Caylee's Mom killed her daughter because she was one of those moms who ventured into this forum and was told being a mother would negate her chances at love, was attacked for even thinking she could find love in the first place since she essentially ruined her life by becoming a single mother? Most of the stories you hear about women killing their children (aside from Post-partum issues) involve some guy she loved who wanted nothing to do with her children. That is what is sad also...that these women are so tied up in their need for love/a man that they cannot see the value of their children. There are many more stories of single parents too involved in their addictions to provide for their children but mostly social services or the penal system ends up dealing with those children - they rarely make the headlines except when they get in trouble with the law.


No, I didn't consider that. It's pretty clear from her accounts that she doesn't believe she did anything wrong. Her journal entries and all her words that have been taken into account show that she looked out for herself and how others perceived her. She had no shortage of men, as shown in the discoveries, but she was constantly dumping Caylee on other people, real and fake.

How many of those women you discuss sprung an unplanned pregnancy on their partner? How many of them refused to get some balls and put their child first? How many of those women tricked their partner into a pregnancy?

Blaming someone like me for a mother killing their own child is really low, itsallinthesoul.
 TAKEN_itsallinthesoul

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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:30:06 AM

Blaming someone like me for a mother killing their own child is really low, itsallinthesoul.


Oh my, really? Did I say it was your fault that any mother killed her child? Dramatic much? Defensive much? Honestly, if you are going to take every single thing I say personally, I would suggest you cease reading what I write period.

Contrary to what you might think, my world does not revolve around you.
 heterotic

Joined: 6/3/2008
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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:31:42 AM
I said "someone like me" based on this:



Did you ever stop to think that Caylee's Mom killed her daughter because she was one of those moms who ventured into this forum and was told being a mother would negate her chances at love, was attacked for even thinking she could find love in the first place since she essentially ruined her life by becoming a single mother?
 TAKEN fab-mom

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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:34:13 AM
Ugh you two are making a pain in the a$$ to read through the forums.

You both disagree....or agree or whatever. I think both of you should stop picking each other posts apart and move on. I neither like nor dislike either one of you. It's the internet. People get frustrated, mistype, lash out etc etc etc and you are both guilty of all of this and more. Now for the love of all that is good and holy in the world let it go.
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