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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:57:11 PM | think whatever you want
the united states is becomming the fattest place on the planet, and I dont like that.
I dont care what anyone says: if you got fat, you ate too much of the wrong things, period, no excuses. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 4:04:50 AM | Single is 22? I thought he was about 15 by the way he acts.
Actually what has changed over the last 20 years is what is considered normal weight for a person's height has gone down. When I was in high school, normal weight for an adult female my height (6'1") was between 160-180. Now, they say it's between 140-160.
When I was 15 I dropped down to 138. Olive Oyl had more meat on her bones than I did at the time. I had no breasts. My periods became irratic. The doctor threatened to put me in the hospital, with a feeding tube, if I lost even one more pound.
This is a picture of what I looked like weighing 165. I went to Catholic School before anyone asks about the knee socks. The baby in my lap is my youngest brother. http://usera.imagecave.com/photo2007/scan0046.jpg
I probably weighed in the mid 140's in this one, and as you can see - no breasts. Again, the baby is a younger sibling. Apparently the only time anyone was interested in getting a picture of me was when I had a younger sibling in my lap. http://usera.imagecave.com/photo2007/scan0026.jpg
So, now when some @$$hole tries to tell me I should weigh between 140-160 - I really want to punch them. I would not have been lacking in breasts and menstration, and the doctor wouldn't have been threatening to hospitalize me, if I'd only been 2 lbs under weight. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 6:26:07 AM |
We get it... you hate fat people.... Nope. Tell me what about the obesity epidemic is not a train wreck? I feel the same way about smoking, drug abuse and alcohol addiction. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 6:51:13 AM |
BBW or BBM seems to be the catch phrase for "I'm not going to do anything to stop this train wreck, please love me and see past my size." Size 14 today was size 18, 15 years ago. The smaller the designer makes an overweight person feel the more they buy the clothes.
I call bullshit. You know nothing about this situation. I am so F***in' tired of people pretending to understand people and being so damn closed minded. Let me just say. I am obese and I've lose 80lbs so far.
Someone asked once (and mind you it was some skinny skanky-ass old ****); "why did you let yourself become this way?" I laughed at her. But what she didn't know is that my life was similar to a Bulimics minus the throwing up since I was 5. I didn't know until I was 30 that I actually had a problem since I lived the majority of my life that way. I went on weight loss programs since I was a young girl lost a lot of weight (hundreds of pounds), but I never addressed the actual issue until I was 30 when I found out the root of the problem. I never made an excuse for who I was and who I am. Not everyone asks to be the way that they are, but we can learn to change behaviors. But I gotta say that I have about had it with the bullshit that people pretend to understand. You are 53 years old and you think just like a child.
Imagine yourself having a gun stuck in your back just because someone didn't like you being fat. This happened in college to me. Imagine yourself working hard on changing yourself only to have some ****es point out that "well you have a long ways to go." Imagine yourself, being a good honest person, treated with disrespect because you are fat. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF YOU ARE A 2 FOOT PERSON; NO ONE DESERVES TO BE DISRESPECTED.
I wasn't a train wreck and I never asked a damn person to love me past my pant size. What a bunch of **** ****es are on the internet! I'm so freaking tired of the bullshit people on here pretend to know. If someone doesn't like me, then so be it. But you know I love how people who haven't lived in someone's shoes has all the answers to the world.
I am looking at some of the profiles that respond and i have to say there are some UGLY people. But I don't say hey "you are one ugly person." I just move along and let them live their lives.
Losing weight has giving me back my confidence to speak to these people that pretend to understand and classify. That is why I don't get these forums because who cares if you are a BBW. I don't. Like I said in another thread, for me, I am not here to please anyone.
If I meet someone great; if I don't that is fine too. My happiness has nothing to do with weight; it is how I feel about myself.
Some of you may not like what I had to say, but oh well. I just had to say it! | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 7:14:26 AM |
and mind you it was some skinny skanky-ass old ****); just ugly.
Tell me what about obesity and the associated health risks are not a train wreck? You seem to have taken the statement as a personal attack. Had you read on you would have seen that I likened the "train wreck" statement to drug abuse, alcohol and smoking all of which are health dangers and this is a health forum.
You are 53 years old and you think just like a child yep, 53 healthy, happy and standing by my statement that the obesity epidemic is a TRAIN WRECK. Sadly, ad hominem attacks are what you are relying on.
That is why I don't get these forums because who cares if you are a BBW. I don't care if you are a BBW. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 9:45:37 AM |
I call bullshit. You know nothing about this situation. I am so F***in' tired of people pretending to understand people and being so damn closed minded. Let me just say. I am obese and I've lose 80lbs so far.
You were obese and GAINED 80lbs...
I am looking at some of the profiles that respond and i have to say there are some UGLY people.
You're no better than the people that speak of their dislike towards fat people. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 10:02:44 AM |
You're no better than the people that speak of their dislike towards fat people No, she's just pointing out some people have no right to go judging other people's weight. There have been studies that show that people who are a little overweight (as opposed to obese) live longer than their skinny counterparts. We like to accuse people of being unhealthy because we can see their weight, but we assume that skinny people are healthy because they're skinny, without knowing that perhaps the skinny person lives on store bought pre-made meals and junk- which is not healthy at all.
Lots of people get overweight by eating poorly. Then, they change and start eating healthy, but the weight doesn't come off for one reason or another. Lots of people can be fat and healthy- but you'll never know just by looking at them, so you shouldn't be casting judgment. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 11:07:29 AM | Sundayraver you are an idiot. I never said I am not obese you idiot. I didn't gain 80lbs...I lost. Can you not read?????
Did you read the sentence after my comment about ugly? I'm not even going to comment, because it is obvious that you didn't. LOL Go back and read what I said right after that comment. Here let me quote it... "
I just move along and let them live their lives. "
Let me articulate my comment again. I said I was looking at some of the people profiles and noticed they aren't attractive people. Okay do you understand that comment? Okay, the next sentence. Instead pointing it out to people, I just live my life and not concern myself with theirs. I meant that I see ugly people all day long, but I don't stop and criticize them for who they are; I just continue my path and leave well alone.
Hopefully, I articulated my statements well enough for you Sundayraver so you can understand better. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 12:49:42 PM | | I will never be 120 pounds (about 165 now) nor do I want to be "tiny". I am "big" however most of mine is muscle. I also diet on a 80% protein lifestyle and do heavy weight training now. Body building is becomming my life. What is big to some people may not be to someone else...it is really in the "eye" of how someone views you. People overeat period. I always look in shopping carts when I am standing in the check out and shake my head. I am not perfect but I also am VERY conscious about my way of living. I know I am built bigger and I really do not care. I do tend to attract taller weight lifters..which is fine with me...:) Just do what makes you feel good is what I tell anyone. Again I do not mind being big, but I keep it muscular. I do not feel good "fat" nor do I want to be "fat". You are right, but it is men and women who do not take care of themselves. Not just women ...lol As long as people are content with who they are personally, it is all that should matter. Heck, I meet "average" men and they tell me I have too much muscle...so....to each his or her own. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 12:57:59 PM | *slams head into desk repeatedly*
Yes, there are health risks associated with being obese. There are health risks associated with being a smoker. There are health risks associated with doing drugs. There are health risks from being too think.
But, whatever the group of unhealthy behaviors - I haven't seen nearly as much time and energy dedicated to how nasty and vile smoking is as I have to people who are struggling with their weight. I don't hear the nasty jokes aimed at smokers that I do at over weight people. At least four of us (by my count) are very openly talking about trying to change - going to the gym, changing eating habits, counting calories. Yet, instead of saying, "Good for you! Keep it up!" You still run us down telling us we're disgusting because we're still overweight, not working hard enough.... whatever. You people are the some fuddermuckers who probably ridicule some fat people when they start at the gym, so that they're ashamed and won't ever go back.
I can outlift, out run, out endure most of my skinny friends whose only advantages in life is that they have better metabolisms than I do. I run/walk 5 miles every other day, and I do the elyptical on the off days. That's in addition to strength training. I limit myself to between 1500 - 1800 calories per day. I have no idea why the weight isn't coming off faster than it is. But, here's the good news - according to my doctor I have the heart of a professional athelete. How many of you mugs can say that? | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 1:11:03 PM | limit myself to between 1500 - 1800 calories per day. I have no idea why the weight isn't coming off faster than it is. But, here's the good news - according to my doctor I have the heart of a professional athelete. How many of you mugs can say that?
I can tell you why it is not coming off.
Based on the activity level you say you are participating in and the amount of food you are eating and your size, you are basically starving yourself.
Your metabolism will continue to slow if you do not up your intake. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 2:29:32 PM | This is a classic example of how a thread could spin out of control. This forum is about health and wellness.
I have been close to 200 pounds and have been as low as 92. I have been never been a size 1 but the lowest 5-6 in jeans and the highest was a 17-18. At these two extremes, I was not close to healthy. At 92 and a teen, I suffered dizzy spells, nose bleeds, irregular periods, and hair loss. At close to 200, I had joint pain and breathing problems.
Today, I am 125 pounds and healthy. My hair doesn't fall out, my skin looks better, my heart murmurs are no more, and above all-----I FEEL GREAT. I love working out and I also have support from many people when I have questions.
I will say that I never had problems attracting a man when I was a big girl. My ex got with me when I was a big girl. I weighed about 170 at the time and that was still big for a person my height which is 4'11". As a matter of fact, I was overweight for most of my relationship with him. I began losing weight in the last year that I was with him.
People will look past the physical when they are interested. Simple. However, there are people that like what they like and should not be discriminated against because they have PREFERENCES. The main thing to remember is that to get respect, you have to give it. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 3:18:56 PM | Missainva there are countless threads on smoking and kissing an ashtray and people refusing to date recreational drug users. This whole thread has turned into adhominem attacks and what skinny women vs. larger women can't do... with more than enough nasty comments coming from both sides.
You people are the some fuddermuckers who probably ridicule some fat people when they start at the gym, Again, Nope. I'm one of those people at the gym who minds her own business and thinks to herself "Kudo's". So, what now? More often than not I see painfully thin runners with no muscle tone and think "Wow, now THAT looks really unhealthy." Either end of the spectrum is up for debate. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 6:06:35 PM | | VHDC, you're also not one of the ones who's been hurling insults. | |
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Posted: 7/23/2009 6:30:54 PM | In so many posts in this forum (Health and Wellness), and others forums... people always use the ploy of "health" as a factor for being overweight and so man of them who are oh so concerned about the health of these people seem to stop at the health concern at looks. The thing that makes me say this is their constant need to add something cruel to the end of the "health concern".
... if people are so concerned about someone's health... why are they saying things that verbally abuse them?
There are more health issues here than the way someone looks and the way their body is functioning..
Tell me what about the obesity epidemic is not a train wreck?
Before I got into the gym and started actually caring for myself... the part of me that was the "train wreck" really had NOTHING to do with my weight. "FAT itself is not a train wreck at all! It is actually a highly powerful protection device. "The "train wreck" was my emotional health.
From another post I made:
The fat cell is a very interesting defense mechanism. Fascinating really. It's a wall of protection. It protects the human body against the cold. It protects women during pregnancy. It protects the human body when it feels there is something to protect... like depression. If someone is sad, lonely, depressed, or trying to hide from the world... their body and mind listens to this cue... and follows suit.
If the person in this situation does not deal with the mental aspects that caused their body to hold on to the protective wall to begin with... the wall will just come back.
On this forum (the Health and Wellness) alone, I have seen more people say they feel the weight is a health issue... but have NO ISSUE with causing more harm verbally that will in turn cause more harm mentally and emotionally for the person using the "fat wall of protection" to hide some more.
I personally have struggled to lose weight for years... since high school really. I had to finally realize that the only way I was going to be able to deal with the weight is if I dealt with the pain causing the weight. I had to ask myself what I was hiding from... what was I afraid of....
Again I say.... There are more health issues here than the way someone looks and the way their body is functioning. There is mental and emotional health as well. Statements that jab and hurt people emotionally are just as unhealthy as obesity, smoking, drug abuse and alcohol addiction.
Instead of helping people see the harm they are doing to their body... these comments only add insult to already deep injury.
This being the Health and Wellness forum.... I would hope to see attention paid to ALL forms of health and a person's well being. Not just appearance and bodily function. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 11:01:11 AM |
Before I got into the gym and started actually caring for myself... the part of me that was the "train wreck" really had NOTHING to do with my weight. "FAT itself is not a train wreck at all! It is actually a highly powerful protection device. "The "train wreck" was my emotional health. no one is disputing that health, both mental and physical is very closely related "Maslow's theory of hierarchy". Health being the foundation of his his pyramid and building upon a solid foundation of both physical, and mental well being.
Fat initself if disproportionate can be the enemy. If this were not true the CDC would be dead wrong in it's studies of obesity adding to the numbers of type II diabetes (and I'm not saying all type II diabetes is weight related so let's not even try to go there) to name just one.
There have been studies release by the CDC that women who are profoundly obese are less likely to be tested for certain cancers, less likely to seek certain medical attention in part due to self-esteem issues and partly they are shamed by the doctors. I find the last to be reprehensible on the doctors part. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 11:35:01 AM |
If this were not true the CDC would be dead wrong in it's studies of obesity adding to the numbers of type II diabetes (and I'm not saying all type II diabetes is weight related so let's not even try to go there) to name just one. Oh, but let's go there. Is it not quite likely that the food that people eat causes *both* obesity and diabetes? That they are symptoms of the same problem as opposed to cause and effect? Wheat has been shown to affect insulin resistance, but everyone is going on about how whole wheat is great for you. Lots of overweight people trying to lose weight by eating whole wheat are setting themselves up for diabetes. EFA's are known to help insulin sensitivity, but we focus on eating "whole grains" more than getting enough EFA's. (But I'll agree that it's not just weight that causes diabetes, as my skinny all her life aunt developped it- all my great aunts/uncles on my mom's side, my gma, my mom, and three of my aunts have it. Aunt Ruby was a victim of genetics)
There is SO MUCH misinformation out there as to what is *truly* healthy, and commercial advertising only aggravates it, so that many people just assume "eat less, move more" is sufficient. It might be all that's needed for those with 10-20lbs to lose, but when you've gained weight and your system is out of whack, "eat less move more" doesn't work. But we'll have people called "train wrecks" assuming that they're idiots for not eating less and moving more. That only perpetuates an unfair stereotype, and does nothing to help anyone. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 12:10:49 PM | "train wrecks" assuming that they're idiots for not eating less and moving more. That only perpetuates an unfair stereotype, and does nothing to help anyone. please, tell me what is not a train wreck about the obesity epidemic? You were spot on in cause and effect but you are focusing on one of many causes. You can beat *train wreck* as much as you like, I stand by it. Point out in one of my posts where I mention "eat less, move more"? You like to misquote. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 2:17:28 PM | There have been studies release by the CDC that women who are profoundly obese are less likely to be tested for certain cancers, less likely to seek certain medical attention in part due to self-esteem issues and partly they are shamed by the doctors. I find the last to be reprehensible on the doctors part.
They should start asking the Dr's what part they are playing in making women feel more comfortable and ... well... safe... to come TO them for help.
Several years ago, I started having LOTS of lower stomach pains. Started having lots of "female" issues and pain and constant bleeding. I went to a Dr... he told me to go home, lose weight, and see if it stops. A year later... the pain was worse... to the point of not walking comfortably. The same Dr discovered I had cists. He did surgery to remove them. When I woke up, he told me to go home and lose weight. A few weeks later, the pain came back. I went to see him... again. Again, he told me to go home and lose weight. About six months went by and it was hard for me to pee. Literally, using the muscles it took to pee was very painful. This time, he decided to pop the cists again, when he put the little camera thing inside me to pop the cists, he saw a large black mass that had grown over one of my overlies and attached itself to my bladder. He had to wait till I came to to have me sign a waver that it would be okay for him to take everything out if need be. Suddenly... he didn't care about my going home to lose weight. NOW he was worried. He had to do surgery to find out what it was. What had happened was one of the fallopian tubes had turned into my ovary and was pumping blood into it.... this had been happening for years. Even before I started feeling the pain. By the time he got in there, it had grown to the size of a grapefruit. Luckily it wasn't cancer and he didn't have to do a hysterectomy. But, he did have to remove the ovary. Had he looked into it the first time I came in, he could have saved the ovary.... but... he was more concerned with my being too fat to even consider something ELSE being an issue.
As far as Dr's are concerned about people losing weight... they really couldn't give a rat's ass. Dr's are not there for people who need and want to lose weight. Every time I asked a Dr for help... one told me to start eating less than 1000 calories a day. Another gave me the number to Weight Watchers and told me to call them. There was only ONE Dr who actually listened to me. When I asked about gastrol bi-pass sugery, he smiled at me and asked how I got there that day. I told him I had walked... he told me I didn't qualify for surgery because if I can walk to his office... I can walk on a treadmill.... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 2:20:49 PM | You like to misquote. No, I'm referring a comment made by H town. You're not the only anti-fat person posting in the thread. He however appears to have had his status changed, at least temporarily.
You however, appear to be misquoting yourself:
'm not going to do anything to stop this train wreck, please love me and see past my size
please, tell me what is not a train wreck about the obesity epidemic
The obesity epidemic is a thing, not a person. You cannot call an individual a train wreck on account of the actions of all those who appear like them. You cannot blame the epidemic on a single person. It's not that an individual is not "going to do anything to stop the train wreck" it may very likely be that they have been trying with no success. People in this forum certainly can't agree on the best ways to lose weight (and while most of us are not doctors, nutritionists, etc., most of us are still relying on some combination of publication, personal experience, research etc), so how exactly is a person to know how to stop the train wreck. Many fat people are in fact the most diligent, self controlled, hard working people, but they have no success because they are unknowingly diligently working hard with the wrong approach to weight loss. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 3:26:16 PM |
You're not the only anti-fat person posting in the thread. anti fat? Interesting ASSumption. What about I abhor the treatment obesity generates from the medical community do you base this statement on? You've made my point nicely for me, very much appreciated.
How to stop the train wreck? Don't have a clue. Do I empathize with what seems like a herculean task for those afflicted? You bet. Do I (as one poster alluded) make fun of an overweight individual at the gym? Nope. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 3:33:39 PM | | Single in H has got to be the most ignorant person i've run across in these forums...and that's saying a lot. I see he got rid of his picture. I wonder why? Also, to think that genes, health issues, etc. don't have anything to do with weight problems proves how little you know about any topic having to do with health and wellness. It's very unfortunate that people don't have any control over some of those things. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 4:24:17 PM | ...Also, to think that genes, health issues, etc. don't have anything to do with weight problems proves how little you know about any topic having to do with health and wellness. It's very unfortunate that people don't have any control over some of those things.
Those people that do not have physical control over those things represent a small minority.
Not to say that there are not issues that make it difficult to over come.
I know I have been there.
think whatever you want
the united states is becomming the fattest place on the planet, and I dont like that.
I dont care what anyone says: if you got fat, you ate too much of the wrong things, period, no excuses.
I think the UK and US are pretty close with each other and I am sure Canada is not far behind.
It is very much to do with out food choices and also the way our cities and suburbs have been planed, lack of physical education.
So then the million dollar question.
Who is responsible for that?
Does that lie with the individual or does it lie with the government?
When I went to my Dr with health problems, I was offered a typical medical solution. (fyi: I did not visit the Dr. because of my obesity but I was having issues that where related to it. I was offered medication to treat those symptoms with little to no information about maybe why I should get healthy, when I asked the Dr. if these things could be related to my size he said they could be and it and it would not hurt to lose a few pounds but still maintained I needed the drugs.)
That is when I left his office, tossed all the prescriptions in garbage and decided to take matters into my own hands and cure myself with a healthy lifestyle and guess what all those issues went away, sans drugs.
I am sure that one Dr. does not represent all Dr's and I was not morbidly Obese (~50lbs heavier) and I knew how to dress to hide it so I can not blame him for not seeing it and maybe he was just doing what he was taught.
So then you must ask yourself who can you rely on and the only person that has your best interest in mind is yourself.
As long as you are trying you are succeeding.
I learned that the people that have long term success are the ones that have failed, but what make them different them from others, is they see those failures as learning experiences and not set backs. They learn from them and move on and that process never ends, you can always learn more.
Look at failure as an opportunity to learn something.
When I hear people say its hard and so much effort and I just do not enjoy it I tell them this.
People that are sucessful at what they do, for the most part enjoy doing it.
People that enjoy what they do are not always as successful.
So then the question is, how to you become successful at doing something and also enjoy doing it when you do not like doing it in the 1st place.
You have to take pride in what you are doing, you must always want to get better at doing it.
Your body is the boss and your mind is the employee.
Your boss wants $100 worth of work each day and to be successful and get that warm fuzzy feeling that comes with success you must give him $150 worth of work.
Each day is a new day and nothing caries over from that last, its a clean slate every morning.
You must keep a balance, do not let yourself get to up, because when you fail and you will, there is not that far to fall.
Never cheat yourself, you are worth more than that.
You efforts will be rewarded, but the key is you must try.
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Posted: 7/25/2009 7:15:43 AM |
Sundayraver you are an idiot. I never said I am not obese you idiot. I didn't gain 80lbs...I lost. Can you not read?????
You must have GAINED 80LBS to lose 80lbs.... retard. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2009 7:19:18 AM | Did you read the sentence after my comment about ugly? I'm not even going to comment, because it is obvious that you didn't. LOL Go back and read what I said right after that comment. Here let me quote it... "
I just move along and let them live their lives.
You seem to take offence to people saying you fat (which you are) yet you call people ugly (which is subjective).
Stop taking offence to people slating fat people and lose some weight, | |
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