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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:23:18 PM | No......but a nice size 6 to 8 that is somewhere close to my BMI would be very nice to have.......
I would rather be telling my significant other to consider putting on a couple of pounds, and building some extra muscle, instead of asking her to lose 20 or more because she is getting closer and closer to my weight......
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:35:22 PM | | Opinions dont love & care for you, cook dinner, laugh at your jokes, keep you warm on a winter night or rub your sore back after a hard day at work. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 1:00:07 PM | But opinions will shape who does......
OT........There is no correlation to weight, or obesity and caring for you, cooking for you, laughing with you, or keeping you warm on a winter night. These things can be done by both the thin and the fat, and it comes down to what you prefer and enjoy more.
Whatever works for you, becomes your choice, and you must live with that choice, and if I prefer thin over fat, and it works for me, then that has become my choice as well.
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Posted: 7/28/2009 1:05:26 PM | | or doesn't (they can limit your choices of people?) | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 1:06:35 PM | Deac! I'm a size 6 with a 22.5 BMI ~ let's get hitched!!!
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Posted: 7/28/2009 3:02:48 PM | I appreciate the offer Fleur......but my marrying days are over......how about just a relationship of mutual interest, bodies, BMI and all that good stuff that "cums" with it???????? 
OT.........I will stick to my initial statement and say that most of us understand what turns us on and off with others and ourselves, and for me, I prefer being turned on, and that means thinner over fatter......go figure......
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Posted: 7/28/2009 3:15:09 PM | Yes! I can dig it! I'll ask for some time off ~ how's the weather there? I've never been...
I'm excited!!!
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Posted: 7/28/2009 3:54:59 PM | | Even though I'm not a fan of BMI it is the most effective tool for determining weight that I know of. I don't believe "big" is an arbitrary label that we place on people based on the status quo but a label based on what is a healthy weight range for any given person. If you fall in above that level you are big. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 5:25:57 PM | <<<<<
The weather is fine here, mountains beautiful, and the riding just awesome!! You will not need much, just some jeans, shirts, leathers, and the right attitude....
OT.......I also agree that the BMI tables can be somewhat misleading at times, but overall, it is at least a good foundation for truly knowing what shape and size the person is, compared to their height.
Maybe we need to start a thread about thin and beautiful, but then again, if we all were like that, we would find it as boring as we do other things on here. The ideal would be to find that size and shape that you enjoy, and they you, and just let the rest happen.
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| Big and Beautiful
Posted: 7/28/2009 7:14:15 PM | 65% of the entire US population is considered obese. That is some sad SH*T, this includes men, women, children....people of all ages. As one Dr. said on CNN "it's like a wave of fatty's". As the general population gets fatter, the definition of the sizes (athletic, thin, average) will proportionately rise as well.
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Posted: 7/28/2009 10:25:54 PM | Okay... So what do we do to help change that? How do we start educating people to do different?
We can sit here till we are blue in the face bashing fat people and talking about an epidimic all we want... but really... that has been done before... and things haven't changed. Actually, they've gotten worse.
One of my favorite organic food stores here in town has no way to get to it except to drive. They preach green and healthy living... but have no bus going to it, nor with in walking distance for anyone not used to walking two miles for groceries.
How many people have learned to only take their cars when their destination is any farther than 4 or 5 blocks?
I grew up in a "eat everything on your plate" household. Made to feel guilty if I complain about being full.Sure, I don't have to deal with that now and I choose to stop when full... etc.... but how many other children are learning that thought process still?
Which makes me also realize some of the stuff they offer at schools. Vending machines full of pop, chips, juice, etc. When is the last time someone wrote to their child's school asking asking for healthier options for them?
Why was it okay for people to put food and beverages full of preservatives, hormones, deep fried, asprotine (sp?), and other actual poisons on the shelf to begin with? Had these products never been allowed to be produced full of these things, people would have realized a liong time ago the health benefits of caring what goes into their bodies.
Of course it is no one's fault but the individual about their personal weight... no one is forcing them to put thos products into their body (well, after they get away from controlling mothers)... but there is a lot of crap most people have to deal with before even stepping into a gym. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 10:40:28 PM | Too true. What is being done about it? I have no idea. But the litany of people on tv and the internet preaching weight loss certainly aren't helping. And what you said with the bashing. Negativity breeds negativity. I'll never forget when Rudy from Notre Dame came to our school and used negativity to try to psyche our football team up (we were facing a losing a season). Everyone in that locker room including myself wanted to punch that old guy square in the jaw. Now, I know negativity works for some people, but for most, it just pisses us the hell off and we want to direct our rage at the source.
Maybe some things need to be changed. Maybe the government should actually do its job and regulate industries instead of letting them off with a free pass. It isn't the government's fault people are overweight, it's the fault of people allowing themselves to get this way. But if obesity is a severe problem, and it seems to be in America today, why does it feel like no one is doing anything about it? | |
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Posted: 7/28/2009 11:16:06 PM |
Even though I'm not a fan of BMI it is the most effective tool for determining weight that I know of.
Excuse me???? BMI is one of the most misleading of weight descriptors because it does not differentiate between lean and fat body mass! Anyone who has been weight training and building muscle mass will have a falsely elevated BMI. Mine is 28 (5' tall, 135-140 lbs), BUT my body fat % is 21.5% (the low end of normal for my age range).
I'm a figurative artist, so have drawn/painted/sculpted hundreds of nude models over the years, and yet I too struggle with what is "average", "athletic", or "BBW" (which is what this discussion started off as). These are all artificial labels which people apply subjectively, based on their social conditioning, and may or may not have any relation to health. The problem with online profiles is the boundaries between the categories and where we see ourselves. I have been overweight (60 lbs heavier), will never be slim, am muscular in my upper body and shoulders, but still have a little pooch of fat on my belly and inner thighs--could probably lose another 15 lbs, but it probably wouldn't come off where I want it to, given my genetic structure. I've been told by a cosmetic surgeon (yes, I considered lipo) that my skin probably doesn't have enough elasticity anymore, so I would have saggy skin, and I'm better off as I am (gotta respect a surgeon who doesn't take your money to the detriment of your being!) So, I describe myself as average, rather than athletic, though that is the lifestyle that I live. Go figure! (pun intended)
As many on this thread have commented, it is just wrong to put down others. Live and let live, and if someone is struggling with their weight, be supportive of their efforts, however small they may seem. I know that my weight loss was made so much easier with the encouragement of those around me. Peace to all. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 1:23:35 AM | The weather is fine here, mountains beautiful, and the riding just awesome!!
Sounds lovely ~ the heat here is killing me!!! Do you have a trail bike I can hop on the back of? That's more my speed 
You look good just as you are, Rabies, and I'm envious of your firm jawline
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Posted: 7/29/2009 4:57:46 AM | What's the answer? I have no clue, but I do have suggestions based on my own life experiences. Take the vending machines out of the schools. The garbage the hawk on the kids is horrible. Better city planning. People need to be able to walk from point a to point b which many people around here cannot. Speaking from experience, you simply do not see the number of obese people up in New York City where everyone walks that you do down here where people think 1 mile is a long walk. When I was a kid in north Jersey, I walked 2 miles each way to school with a back pack. Then, I walked anywhere else I wanted to go. I also looked like Olive Oyl. Down here - well, not so much.
Phys Ed teachers. I really think part of America's obesity problem can be blamed on sadistic gym teachers. When I was a kid, running and exercise were used as punishments. I had my first major asthma attack in gym class when the teacher ordered us to run around the gym 100 times. If I slowed down to try to catch my breath, she would scream at me. Then, when I collapsed to the floor unable to breathe, she just looked at me in contempt and pronounced me "out of shape." Keep in mind, I ended up having to go to the hospital because I was turning blue, but I was just "out of shape." This boggles my mind all these years later - she didn't get fired. NOBODY ever said, "Do as much as you can. Slow down catch your breath. Start again. Then, next week see if you can push yourself a little bit harder. You'll get there." Nope. If you couldn't go full tilt from the get go you were treated as an inferior life form. This was true through twelve years of school with multiple teachers. So, a certain percent of the kids learn to despise exercise, and once they don't HAVE to take gym class anymore - they simply don't do it anymore.
I would also separate boys from girls in gym class. Boys making fun of girls for not being able to do certain tasks was as bad as the gym teachers, and the gym teachers didn't stop them. I remember playing volley ball - a game I had never played before, but I think I could have gotten to like a lot - except that I wasn't allowed to practice and make mistakes. Anytime the ball came anywhere near me the boys on my team all ran me over to get the ball back over the net because GOD FORBID THE BALL HIT THE FLOOR! | |
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| Big and Beautiful
Posted: 7/29/2009 6:03:27 AM | Another place I have noticed has horrible vending machine choices is hospitals. Every time I have had to visit a friend or relitive, if the cafateria is closed... there is absolutely no healthy choice food options. Even some hospitals cafiterias leave a lot to be desired. The closest hospital to me has a McDonnald's in it. The big heart hospital has a Pizza Hut in it. Along with this is a coffee shop. What exactly is this suggesting to the people visiting or staying at the hospital? In my opinion, people see this and think there is no reason to choose healthy at home if even hospitals don't care. It's odd to know that someone who smokes has to leave the building in order to do so... of course they don't offer cigarettes there.... but they do nothing to stop the contributing to the growing obesety scare.
Take the unhealthy options out of the hospitals and people will have no choice but to eat something healthier. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 9:27:52 AM | | nicenurse64 you make some very sweeping statements! | |
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| Big and Beautiful
Posted: 7/29/2009 10:20:59 AM |
Okay... So what do we do to help change that? How do we start educating people to do different?
Education helps but can only go so far. I think it was Mitterand who once said that the US has an economy in place of a culture, and he was right---almost every aspect of our way of life is a byproduct of certain vested economic interest groups.
Just look at how hard it is to pass even a watered-down health care reform bill right now, thanks to the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies. Likewise, our national obesity problem is a direct result of the stranglehold that the farm and agribusiness lobbies have over our politicians who constantly have to raise money in order to stay in business within the bloated and exorbitant political system we have---the cost of running a competitive political campaigns especially at the national level continues to mushroom every year. Who profits from that? The political consulting class, the lobbyists and corporations who fund them, and the media who are all owned by the same handful of mega-corporations.
So absent of any radical political changes---and as much as I like Obama, I have no illusions about him being anything more than a lesser-of-two-evils status-quo president---expect more of the same. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 10:26:16 AM | Sweeping statements? I'm feeling the stress & pressures of a typical life of a single 40~ish woman with an unending crowd of younger, slimmer "surgically enhanced" ladies in their 20's~30's. Men in their 40's (my age group) are hitting the mid~life crisis stage & out hunting for a skinny "EGO" boost to their manhood. Being a bit overweight (25 lbs) just adds to the frustration of trying to attract men. Who by the way, no matter how many physical "flaws" they have still want the perfect woman. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 11:37:46 AM | {quote}Sweeping statements? I'm feeling the stress & pressures of a typical life of a single 40~ish woman with an unending crowd of younger, slimmer "surgically enhanced" ladies in their 20's~30's. Men in their 40's (my age group) are hitting the mid~life crisis stage & out hunting for a skinny "EGO" boost to their manhood. Being a bit overweight (25 lbs) just adds to the frustration of trying to attract men. Who by the way, no matter how many physical "flaws" they have still want the perfect woman{/quote}
I guessed that was the case.... lots of bravado in your other statements but the underlying feeling is that you are not so happy with yourself and what you look like and so it is easy to blame a man for wanting a more 'youthful' woman rather than yourself for maybe letting yourself go.
If you feel like that then you should go out and do something about it... and that isn't meant as a cruel statement.... I have been there and got the badge!
Oh and I don't think all men want that younger skinny woman... just one who cares about herself enough to make an effort to look good. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 12:00:10 PM |
Oh and I don't think all men want that younger skinny woman... just one who cares about herself enough to make an effort to look good.
Agreed!
Personally, I actually prefer older and skinny to young and skinny, but there just aren't that many of them around, at least not in these parts---young OR old. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 12:36:43 PM |
... just one who cares about herself enough to make an effort to look good.
I really wish this were true. However, I believe that most people, men and women (or this is the impression I get from many on this site), that they really don't care if someone cares about themselves enough... as long as they look good. And in many aspects... many think... as long as they are thin/slender... they look good. From the impression I get fram several on this site and face to face is that they want someone who appears to take care of them self. In many cases, I feel, they really don't care what they do to achieve this appearance.
I will admit, that since going to the gym and losing weight and becoming healtheir than I ever have in my life.... I have started wanting a man who does the same. Who cares about himself the same.
Men in their 40's (my age group) are hitting the mid~life crisis stage & out hunting for a skinny "EGO" boost to their manhood. ...Who by the way, no matter how many physical "flaws" they have still want the perfect woman
Men who do this are not happy with who they are. They have not stopped to find what really makes them happy in life. They are still letting everyone else dictate who they are and what makes them happy.
... doesn't sound like the kind of man I'd want to date to be honest. Let them have their ... "surgically enhanced" women (most of the ones I know of are in their 40's and 50's btw). Let them have their stale lonely cars and motorcycles. I'd be happier without them. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2009 4:50:50 PM |
Excuse me???? BMI is one of the most misleading of weight descriptors because it does not differentiate between lean and fat body mass! Anyone who has been weight training and building muscle mass will have a falsely elevated BMI. Mine is 28 (5' tall, 135-140 lbs), BUT my body fat % is 21.5% (the low end of normal for my age range).
Most people don't have huge ammounts of mass, and the bodybuilders are well aware that their BMI index will be misleading.
For your average overweight or underweight person the BMI index is the best way to determain their weight v ideal weight | |
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| Big and Beautiful
Posted: 7/30/2009 7:44:41 AM | | remind me to never post a thread about this again, a simple question turned really ugly, people shouldn't jump down each other's throats we all have our opinion and should be respectful of each other! | |
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