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Posted: 7/22/2009 11:08:32 AM | America used to be the melting pot of the world. We had our problems and we still do. Are things as bad as they once were as to race, gender, religion, sexual preverance, and etc issues No...Are they perfect. NO!!!
It seems that many still want to make problems to up their ego, their bank accounts, name or ??? 40 years ago upon reading this article I would immediatly be screaming that these were racist police officers showing brutiality upon an innocent black man. But due the multitude of people who keep calling wolf I find myself turning a deaf ear, especially until I read both sides of the coin. Before Gates' story starting changing to fit a different protrayed picture I saw a frustrated man who lost his cool and used the Race card to excuse himself.
With the new evidence I stll see a Frustrated man who is trying to escalate the situation into something it never was to excuse his lapse of manners and civility.
This never was about race, only about Gates trying to make it a racial issue to excuse his actions toward members of law enforcement.
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Posted: 7/22/2009 11:13:51 AM | Umm...so a White guy is locked out of his house if he's trying to force the door...
But a Black guy is breaking into a house if he's trying to force the door...
Ahhh...I see...
I missed the subtle,non-racist distinction... | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 11:23:27 AM |
Umm...so a White guy is locked out of his house if he's trying to force the door...
But a Black guy is breaking into a house if he's trying to force the door...
Where did you get this from? I don't recall anyone in this thread making that distinction.
No wonder so many of us are apt to dismiss cries of racism. Some of the same people that are crying racism are the same ones that are making this stuff up just to get a reaction.
The Police received a call regarding an attempted forced entry to a home. They were obligated to follow up on the call. Event over. Where is there anything racist in that?
Still, despite the many people writing this is a racist incident, no one has pointed out factually how this is racism. I would love to hear the justification for calling this incident racist. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 11:37:01 AM | a White guy is locked out of his house if he's trying to force the door...
But a Black guy is breaking into a house if he's trying to force the door...
This is, all to often, the blatant distinction that is 'police enforced' whether this is the actual case in Gate's situation, or not. IMO, it's foolish to deny it's rampant existence... unless of course you (in general) condone it, underneath the denial of doing so; in which case, is too steeped in ignorance to/of change = the crux of racism. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 1:10:15 PM |
Where did you get this from? I don't recall anyone in this thread making that distinction.
No wonder so many of us are apt to dismiss cries of racism. Some of the same people that are crying racism are the same ones that are making this stuff up just to get a reaction.
The Police received a call regarding an attempted forced entry to a home. They were obligated to follow up on the call. Event over. Where is there anything racist in that?
Still, despite the many people writing this is a racist incident, no one has pointed out factually how this is racism. I would love to hear the justification for calling this incident racist.
Sooo...YOU are now the arbiter of what is racist..and what is not?
When were you hired and how much does that job pay?
Nobody has to "prove" racism to you...
And reading your previous posts..there isn't a problem w/ racism...unless YOU feel there's racial issues...
Which appears to be next to never...
If a "White" Harvard professor had done the same thing...he would have,at best been cited and not arrested...
And Cambridge's rapid withdrawal of charges means that even their city attorney thought the charges were unwarranted.
Unwarranted charges..."Black" man...hmm...no racism,eh?
Sorry.."White" Americans made the mess we are all in now...
While things are somewhat better than they were when I was a kid...they still have a LONG way to go...
When are the majority of White Americans going to get on board w/ the changes we all need?
Until they do...the rest of us are just spinning our wheels...
Any time,guys.... | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 1:34:55 PM |
Nobody has to "prove" racism to you...
The burden of proof is on those of you that are crying racism in this thread. It is up to those of you saying it is racism to bring one supporting piece of evidence supporting that contention. Thus far, no one has been able to do that. All we have is a lot of opinion.
If a "White" Harvard professor had done the same thing...he would have,at best been cited and not arrested...
And you have proof of this opinion?
And why does it have to be a Black or White Harvard Professor. Why not leave it at a Harvard Professor?
Why do you constantly have to inject race into things? This was a race neutral incident. There were no racial slurs or epitaphs used. The Police did not bring race into it. It was gates himself who brought race into it.
How are we going to get beyond our current level of racism in this country if race is constantly brought up in every incident. Let us leave race out of nonexistent or marginal incidents and leave it for the bigger cases we still have to deal with.
Just because a Black man is involved in the incident does not make it a racist incident.
Can something not be racially neutral? Could he have been charged simply because he was acting like an a$$hat? The fact that you are not even willing to consider this as racially neutral or place Gates at fault makes you equally or more racist than you are accusing.
Refusing to accept the possibility that gates was responsible for this incident based simply on the premise that he is Black is racist.
And Cambridge's rapid withdrawal of charges means that even their city attorney thought the charges were unwarranted.
No, it doesn't. Not in any way, shape or form. Apparently you have not read the entire thread as this has been discussed. But I will rehash this for you as you have made an unsupportable point.
The charges could have been dropped for numerous reasons. Such as:
- Cambridge agreed to drop the charges in exchange for the promise of Gates not filing a law suit. I don't think Cambridge PD would be worried about the outcome of the lawsuit as much as the cost of defending themselves.
- Harvard could have exerted strong pressure against the Cambridge PD to drop the charges.
These possibilities are equally plausible as to why the charges were dropped. However, you seem to be not willing to accept these possibilities as they don't support your contention of racism.
Unwarranted charges..."Black" man...hmm...no racism,eh?
Black man acting like an a$$hat....... no charges Hmmmmm. Yep, playing that race card worked wonders for Gates. No wonder it keeps being played. As long as people fear being called a racist this ploy will continue to be effective.
It amazes me how many people support Gates behavior and total disrespect for the law. Gates some how felt he was above the law and did not need to follow the lawful directives of the Police while the investigated the incident at his residence.
Gates himself is solely to blame for this incident. Would it have been so difficult to produce identification when asked for it? No it would not have been. But then he would have missed his 15 minutes of fame in the national mainstream media. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:29:06 PM | With the new evidence I stll see a Frustrated man who is trying to escalate the situation into something it never was to excuse his lapse of manners and civility.
Bottom line Officers responded to a call of someone looking like they were breaking into a house. Upon arriving the officers attempted to do the job of protecting said property. As part of their job officers attempted to ascertain the true identity of the agitated person at the property. Before officers could ascertain whether said person truly belonged on property, the unknown person became uncooperative, more agitated and confrontational. Said person also made threats and un founded accusations to said officers.. Instead of being apologetic said perpetrator escalated the issue into another non related issue to gain an excuse for his behavior.
If said perpetrator had cooperated would this be an issue for the media.
If the above information was all one had would it be a race issue? | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:32:47 PM | ^^^^
Let's see so many logical errors that I can only address the most glaring:
1) A police officer questioned a homeowner who presented his identification and was arrested after a verbal altercation w/ said officer.
The officer was White... the homeowner Black...
The officer could have cited him..or called ina superior officer.
He did neither...arrested the man..and now likely has to go through the embarrassment of apologizing for his ineptitude.
Again..I submit..given the fact that I've witnessed White Americans use profanity(something Gates did NOT do) and yell at police officers AND NOT BE ARRESTED...this arrest smacks of racism.
2) The pressure placed on Cambridge from a variety of sources AND the paucity of evidence of serious wrongdoing is why this case was dropped.
Given the rapid spread of this news story and the history of racism in the Boston area,it's likely that a media saavy mayor and city council saw losing this case as an unnecessary and expensive boondoggle and decided to quit while they were behind.
3) Thanks to White Americans almost ANY interaction that is negative for a minority in this country has a racist veneer to it. It is impossible to separate most "WHite" Americans from their racist beliefs because of the limited effort that they put into separate themselves from them.
One can hardly be insulted by being called a racist if one holds racist beliefs...
Can one?
4) An angry man was arrested in his home for no reason. That hardly makes him an "asshat"...unless being arrested for no reason is now a reflection of one's own intelligence rather than being a benchmark on the lack of intelligence of the arresting agency.
Your comments and your logic is flawed.
Care to try again? | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:41:01 PM |
Wake up as another color in the morning and go about your business for about a week. You will believe me only then and since that won't happen, well.
What about extending that same offer to non-white people to show the other side as well. Too many people seem to live with this ridiculous notion that being white somehow gives you some awesome perfect life that’s free from any disrespect, negativity, or hardship. Truthfully, if most of the complaining people spent a week being white, they’d still be complaining at the end of the week that it was still somehow racist and they didn’t get the “real” white experience because it wasn’t as great as they thought it would be.
Complainers will find reasons to continue complaining. People who truly want quality lives will live them regardless of what cards they’re dealt.
Sorry.."White" Americans made the mess we are all in now...
While things are somewhat better than they were when I was a kid...they still have a LONG way to go...
Indeed they do still have a long way to go. As long as some black people keep pointing the finger at white people instead of themselves for the responsibility for their own circumstances, nothing will ever change.
"I'm starting with the man in the mirror. I'm asking him to change his ways." - Michael Jackson
When are the majority of White Americans going to get on board w/ the changes we all need?
Until they do...the rest of us are just spinning our wheels...
The thing is, they aren’t the changes we all need. They’re the changes you think we all need. And you don’t seem to be interested in compromising with anyone else despite the fact that it affects them, too. Sorry, man, but harmony requires compromise. That’s Life 101 right there. You don't get people to cooperate by saying, "Do it my way." | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:43:52 PM | Again..I submit..given the fact that I've witnessed White Americans use profanity(something Gates did NOT do) and yell at police officers AND NOT BE ARRESTED...this arrest smacks of racism.
I have also seen people of all colors use profanity, get given a warning and sent on their way. I have also seen people of all colors use profanity, get a warning and get the cuffs, including black, hsispanics, asians, and whites.
Your skin color is not an excuse to take your frustrations out on anyone, regardless of their color.
The professor was wrong in making this into a racial issue
Change cannot happen if you always have the attitude that its not your fault but theirs.
A little bit of surgar and decent manners on the part of the professor would have probably gotten the professor to his bed earlier and the officers on their way to another job. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:58:39 PM |
Bottom line Officers responded to a call of someone looking like they were breaking into a house. Upon arriving the officers attempted to do the job of protecting said property. As part of their job officers attempted to ascertain the true identity of the agitated person at the property. Before officers could ascertain whether said person truly belonged on property, the unknown person became uncooperative, more agitated and confrontational. Said person also made threats and un founded accusations to said officers.. Instead of being apologetic said perpetrator escalated the issue into another non related issue to gain an excuse for his behavior.
If said perpetrator had cooperated would this be an issue for the media.
If the above information was all one had would it be a race issue?
Pitiful! Had you read the information available at the time of the post quoted above you would know that the version of the officer was not accepted by his superiors, and the case against the professor has been dismissed. Had the officer behaved in a totally professional manner I doubt it very much that the case would have been dismissed. Any officer should have enough brains to figure out that the professor was in his house, and the officer should have done everything possible to defuse any tension, and then leave the premises. He did the exact opposite, and now he has to live with the consequences of his actions. The dismissal of the case amounts to a big reprimand already. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 3:06:02 PM | Funny you didn't point out any logical errors. All you did was state more opinion as fact.
A police officer questioned a homeowner who presented his identification and was arrested after a verbal altercation w/ said officer.
The officer was White... the homeowner Black...
The officer could have cited him..or called ina superior officer.
He did neither...arrested the man..and now likely has to go through the embarrassment of apologizing for his ineptitude.
Again..I submit..given the fact that I've witnessed White Americans use profanity(something Gates did NOT do) and yell at police officers AND NOT BE ARRESTED...this arrest smacks of racism.
Gates was arrested after behaving in a disorderly manner. Simple as that. Did the Police Officer over react? Possibly he did. But even given that possibility I fail to see where the racism is. Just because Gates happens to be Black makes this a racist incident? Where is the act of racism?
Using you flawed logic.......Whenever a Black man is arrested it must be racist. Especially if it is a White Police Officer that arrests him.
Lastsly, you do not know what gates said during his interactions with the police. You do not know that he did not swear.
We have all seen people of every race use profanity and yell at Police and not get arrested. Your point is invalid and inconsequential. Nice try though.
The pressure placed on Cambridge from a variety of sources AND the paucity of evidence of serious wrongdoing is why this case was dropped.
Given the rapid spread of this news story and the history of racism in the Boston area,it's likely that a media saavy mayor and city council saw losing this case as an unnecessary and expensive boondoggle and decided to quit while they were behind.
So, you are willing to admit that the charges likely were dropped due to pressure on the Cambridge PD from outside sources. good, we are getting somewhere now. Thatis one aspect of why the charges were dropped.
Of course there were no evidence of serious wrong doing in the case. He was charged with Disorderly Conduct, not a case of serious wrong doing.
Have you considered the fact that the Mayor, City Council, and the PD decided that pressing the charges was not worth what it would cost the city to defend a baseless and senseless court battle over racism in this case? That is the most likely secondary cause. I don't think there is any admission of wrong doing. Nor is one warranted.
State one thing that the Police did that they should apologize for.
Thanks to White Americans almost ANY interaction that is negative for a minority in this country has a racist veneer to it.
That is a completely asinine statement. It is statements like that and beliefs like that that perpetuate racism.
So if a Black man is arrested for drunk driving. It is racist?
If a Black child does not have adequate grades to get into the college of their choice it is racism?
Start taking responsibility for your own condition and quit blaming it on everyone else.
An angry man was arrested in his home for no reason. That hardly makes him an "asshat"...unless being arrested for no reason is now a reflection of one's own intelligence rather than being a benchmark on the lack of intelligence of the arresting agency.
He was not arrested for no reason. He was arrested because he behaved in a disorderly manner.
He is an asshat as he did not cooperate with the police when they were simply trying to protect his property. Who doesn't cooperate with the police to prove their innocence?
Sadly, it was your comments and your logic that is flawed....care to try again? | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 3:11:29 PM | The problem of course is not the police. The problem is poverty.
The police are human, they are not devil-dog KKK worshippers. If the police are profiling people by race (which they mostly are) than it is because they have been exposed, time and time again to certain crimes disproportionately being committed by certain ethnicities.
I say fight poverty not crime. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 3:15:40 PM | Irrespective of the incident and/or article, this thread appears to be like so many other situations where white people claim there was no racism and black people claim it is a case of racism. With that being said, I think many of you (black and white) are opportunists. You're using this situation in order to perpetuate the real underlying issue.
This thread is just a pissing match for fools. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 3:43:37 PM |
Any officer should have enough brains to figure out that the professor was in his house, and the officer should have done everything possible to defuse any tension, and then leave the premises.
I totally agree with this... Like I said... even if Gates was Irate... which he could have been from his long day traveling and his problem with his door. The officer should have recognized it was Gates home and he was going through something...
sort of like an official calling a technical on a B Ball player... The officer seems to have over reacted. This doesn't make it a racist act... It could be, we were not there... And it wouldn't excuse Gates behavior if he really went off on the Officer.
Nothing will probably come of this.... But if the cop is a racists.... and there is a problem... something should be done about it.
I recall that guy in Texas was it? He was hurrying to see his mom in the hospital, she was dying... and the cop wouldn't let him go see her.. he took his time giving that guy a ticket... That cop was an a$$hat
Sorry.."White" Americans made the mess we are all in now...
While things are somewhat better than they were when I was a kid...they still have a LONG way to go...
When are the majority of White Americans going to get on board w/ the changes we all need?
Until they do...the rest of us are just spinning our wheels...
Get on board? White Americans made what mess?
If you are talking about slavery? It was also White American who gave their lives to free the slaves. I think it is going to take... to stop living in the past and blaming others for your problems.
Everyone is struggling and have problems. To keep blaming Whites does not help you move forward. When you start thinking of yourself as a person and an individual, you will have a positive mind set to move forward. Sure, life isn't always easy... and in some areas, it is more difficult for some African Americans, and in some areas it is more difficult for others.
I'm not denying that we still have a serious problem when it comes to racial issues... But I was born white.... not a slave owner. And you making this kind of remark is no different than those KKK and Nazi jerks trying to blame their problems on Blacks and Jews... or who ever else they want to Blame.
I'm an individual... You are an individual... We should see that... not black and white. Get on board? What exactly is this thing white people are suppose to get on board about? Are we suppose to feel guilty for what some others did that we don't know and have nothing to do with?
Isn't the fact that you want to groups whites together, just as bad as anyone wanting to group any group together. Can't you see the double standard here?
This is why so many white people are having a hard time trying to figure out what they can do to coexist... Cause nothing we do is ever enough... I have nothing against you... except for the fact that you might not like me... because I'm white.
Believe me when I say this... It doesn't matter what color your skin is... Life is tough for everyone, we all need to be treated... and treat others as equals. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 4:15:11 PM | Pitiful! Had you read the information available at the time of the post quoted above you would know that the version of the officer was not accepted by his superiors, and the case against the professor has been dismissed.
I find it strange that the so called incident happened a week ago Thursday and it has just been within the last two days that this case has been dropped, not immediately. I have researched the internet but have not found any information about the officer's superior not accepting the report. Please cite your source
The below quote is from all of the sites listed below the quote. The first one being an official City of Cambridge and the Cambridge Police Department Press Release as of 7/21/09, Yesterday. Nowhere in the quote do I see anyone saying that the officers were at fault or that their superiors rejected the report. Interesting enough very few have brought up the fact that there was also a black officer involved as can be seen in the pictures.
Bottom line of my post was to put the incident in an unidentifiable perspective as to race, and gender.
"This incident should not be viewed as one that demeans the character and reputation of professor Gates or the character of the Cambridge Police Department," the statement said. "All parties agree that this is a just resolution to an unfortunate set of circumstances."
http://www.cambridgema.gov/cpd/News/NewsDetail.cfm?story_id=2250
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1186358
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/charges_to_be_d.html
http://multimedia.boston.com/m/25412048/charge-dropped-against-black-harvard-scholar.htm?pageid=1 | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 4:28:55 PM |
geeleebee, butt out on that post! That wasn't meant for you, it was meant for the person I aimed it toward. It's a comment that only he would understand, as he has a history of making similiar comments to others.
So next time, if a question isn't directed toward you, mind your own business. Sound cool?
Not even close to 'cool'.
When you post on a public forum, anyone can respond. If you're unhappy with that policy, contact admin.
While you're discussing things with admin, ask about the site rule against calling out another member, as you did with me.
Now, that's cool.
I agree with this:
Any officer should have enough brains to figure out that the professor was in his house, and the officer should have done everything possible to defuse any tension, and then leave the premises.
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Posted: 7/22/2009 4:55:38 PM |
Any officer should have enough brains to figure out that the professor was in his house, and the officer should have done everything possible to defuse any tension, and then leave the premises.
Wow, I love this. I wonder if any of you that keep throwing this out realize how stupid this statement is and how it does not support your position.
The Officers were trying to figure out if, in fact, Gates was in his house. However, Gates originally refused to provide his identification to the Officers. Are you implying that the Officers should have known who Gates was and not requested identification?
Had Gates provided the requested identification the rest of this incident would have never transpired.
Following the logic of your quoted position, the onus lies squarely with Gates. The power of diffusing the situation was Gates, and he refused to do so. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:14:05 PM |
The Officers were trying to figure out if, in fact, Gates was in his house. However, Gates originally refused to provide his identification to the Officers. Are you implying that the Officers should have known who Gates was and not requested identification?
Did Gates, in fact, refuse to show his identification? I read the police report, and that's what it says, but how do we know for sure? People assert that Gates refused, and others assert that Gates did show his ID. This is a case of 'he said/he said'.
One implication could be that not everything written by the police is the whole truth.
Had Gates provided the requested identification the rest of this incident would have never transpired.
Gates did provide the ID.
AND the rest of the incident did transpire.
The power of diffusing the situation was Gates, and he refused to do so.
Diffusing the situation would have been as simple as the police officers leaving, after Gates showed them his ID.
Responsibility goes to both parties. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:22:35 PM | Umm...so a White guy is locked out of his house if he's trying to force the door...
But a Black guy is breaking into a house if he's trying to force the door...
Ahhh...I see...
No one said anything like this but several years back I know of an incident were a white man was put in the patrol car just short of an arrest. If you look at an earlier post of mine you will see the story.
Short version-- A friend of ours who had our permission to go into our garage to get some tools got the police called on him. (Guess we had a good Neighborhood Watch). Luckily my ex finally got out of a meeting and found the message from the police on the his machine. He got home in time for them not to take our friend to the precint.
White guy, white cops and he even had proper id with no crimminal history or background. To top it off our friend was cooperative and polite the whole time. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:31:23 PM |
Did Gates, in fact, refuse to show his identification? I read the police report, and that's what it says, but how do we know for sure? People assert that Gates refused, and others assert that Gates did show his ID. This is a case of 'he said/he said'.
One implication could be that not everything written by the police is the whole truth.
And another, more plausible explanation, is that Gates and his Lawyer are not telling the whole truth either. Have you read the Lawyers statement? That sounds like the sanitized fantasy version of what the Police report said. Additionally, the Cambridge Police Report is supported by and witnessed by the Harvard Police.
The Police say Gates initially refused to show his identification.
So your assertion is that the Cambridge Police, knowing that Gates lived in Harvard owned housing, decided to arrest him solely based upon the fact that he is black? That is quite a leap of cynicism.
Gates did provide the ID.
AND the rest of the incident did transpire.
Yes, Gates did eventually provide his identification. However, that was after he behaved in a disorderly manner, disobeyed a lawful order from the Officer, and accused the Officers of racism. That is why the charges were filed.
Diffusing the situation would have been as simple as the police officers leaving, after Gates showed them his ID.
So you are saying that Gates disorderly conduct should have been ignored after he eventually produced identification? Or should the charges have been dropped because he is the Scholar Gates? Or should the charges have been dropped because gates is Black and the Officers were White?
Responsibility goes to both parties.
NO! You are not going to try and pull this contributory negligence on the Police Department and assign blame to them.
Gates was the one that chose not to cooperate with a simple request to show identification and prove that he lived in that house. Had Gates done as requested the incident would have been over.
The onus is squarely on Gates. The impetus for this entire incident is Gates refusing to show his identification. Once Gates became unruly and uncooperative the Officers proceeded to do their job and do what they would do to any of us if we behaved in that manner. For some reason gates seems to have felt he was above the law and he was not required to comply with the requests of the officers.
Follow the logic........it will make sense to you. Go look for racism somewhere else because it does not appear to be a part of this incident. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:36:55 PM |
So you are saying that Gates disorderly conduct should have been ignored after he eventually produced identification? Or should the charges have been dropped because he is the Scholar Gates? Or should the charges have been dropped because gates is Black and the Officers were White?
Whats interesting is in the pictures it looks like one of the officers is black. Is that one of the racist officers?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090722/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_analysis_7 | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:44:50 PM |
So your assertion is that the Cambridge Police, knowing that Gates lived in Harvard owned housing, decided to arrest him solely based upon the fact that he is black? That is quite a leap of cynicism.
Make stuff up, much?
No--that is not my assertion--not even close to what I posted.
Yes, Gates did eventually provide his identification. However, that was after he behaved in a disorderly manner...
And, again, that is what the police report says. We don't know what happened in which order, really--do we.
So you are saying that Gates disorderly conduct should have been ignored after he eventually produced identification? Or should the charges have been dropped because he is the Scholar Gates? Or should the charges have been dropped because gates is Black and the Officers were White?
Again--we don't know the order of what happened/when.
I am NOT saying that anyone who behaves in a disorderly fashion should be ignored, if said person is actually behaving in a disorderly fashion.
Can you quote anywhere in this thread where I have made any assertions about the color of the police officers? Can you quote anything I posted about Gates not being held accountable because he is Black? I want the exact quote--not your inferrences--my exact words.
NO! You are not going to try and pull this contributory negligence on the Police Department and assign blame to them.
YES.
Both the police officer and Dr. Gates have to own their actions.
Law enforcement officers are not blameless simply by being law enforcement. Read a little history of New Orleans and the trouble they had with their police force.
(and, 'contributory negligence'??? what does that even mean with regard to this situation? 'contributory negligence'???)
Follow the logic........it will make sense to you. Go look for racism somewhere else because it does not appear to be a part of this incident.
Follow the thread.
Go look for the post where I asserted that this was a racist incident. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:45:37 PM |
The Officers were trying to figure out if, in fact, Gates was in his house. However, Gates originally refused to provide his identification to the Officers. Are you implying that the Officers should have known who Gates was and not requested identification?
O.C. It isn't that the officers weren't doing their job... They did need to check with him and make sure he lived there. But I'm pretty sure that the officer realized he did soon enough, maybe Gates wasn't on his best behavior... But I really do think the officer could have realized he was suppose to be there.
I'm assuming this I know, but if the charges were dropped... He couldn't have been that belligerent, and even though the officer may have even felt it necessary to take him in... He could have used bad judgment. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:51:08 PM | This is why racism will never be solved.
"White" Americans seem to think that THEY have to label something as "racist" for it to "really" racist.
I suppose that the rest of us are just imagining how we feel we are treated and we should "grow up" and "get a life."
Sorry...it doesn't work like that.
Racism is still very much alive and well in the US.
And the Gates incident and people's reaction to it prove just that.
It's very easy spot "Whites" that are RACIST on this site.
They are the ones that go to ridiculous lengths to pooh-pooh anything that is presented as racist.
The ironic thing is, the more they protest that something is NOT racist...the more racist their postings become.
Fortunately,most "Whites" are not racist.
Anymore,that is.
And the ones that are make themselves readily apparent w/ only a minor bit of prodding.
while racism as an issue will never be "solved",IMHO, it will be lessened by the reality that until most people THINK that we are equals that no one will ever BE equal. | |
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