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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
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Posted: 8/9/2005 5:01:31 PM | | Being a true Christain-Methodist, I have met many Witnesses and became fine friends with a few.I dont understand what you mean by "reciting a script".Ive never heard them behave that way and any twisting of the scripture by them is nonsense.They are different than other denominations sure, but they are the most dedicated in belief and faith.If that makes me a "low educated lamebrain" for speaking in there defense,so be it.Ive been called worse. | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 54 | |
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| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/10/2005 10:56:19 AM | Legal Catch, I'm not downing you persay. I'm just saying any true Christian who has spiritual discernment can detect a spiritual counterfeit pretty early on. It takes only one encounter to set off the alarms and red flashers. Yes, these, like the Mormans, the Way, and a lot of cults teach their followers to rebut the objections of the Christians with a memorized "speil."
Jehovah's Witness story is covered in another thread and tells of the founding of this cult. Just because many cults use Scripture that doesn't make their doctrine right. They take verses out of context and twist Scripture to suit their party line. JW even has its own translation of the Bible, where they misquote the verse from John: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was A God. . ."
Of course, if you are not really a Christian, you would not have this discernment. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 2:39:34 PM | When I was a child growing up I never understood how come I couldnt eat supper with my Grandma and Grandpa and My Mommy at the same table. She was disfellowshipped after i was born out of wedlock and she was 16. I studied with them for years and learned a great many things about myself, the Witness religion and religion in general. My opinions/feelings about the topics and 'what what' discussed in here caused my blood to boil a few times. I should point out that I decided it was not my thing. My Granpa and I still debate and argue to this day about my soul and how he worries for me.
The obvious ignorance and lack of truth in here made me sick. At first I thought hmmm this might be good. If it had not been for a few select indiv in here i would have freaked out a whole lot. Garf and BlackAngel your words of wisdom are appreciated I dont think I could have done any better, anything i say now would just be repetative and i hope the words you spoke penetrate at least one more brain/soul than the tripe coming out of most. | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 57 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/10/2005 3:04:31 PM |
John: In the beginning was the Word and the Word was A God. . ."
Yes, all other bibles leave out the "a" in "the word was a God"...rendering it "the word was God."
Thus the trinity waqs born.
But the translations before 1500 say "a God" the letter "a" was inserted in the 1500s by the church.
Original texts do not support the trinity.
voluptuousness: Sorry to hear about your situation with the disfellowshipping, I know what it's like, and although it sucks; it does make sense to separate the "sinner" when you look at how the JWs lead their lives. Any amount of corruption within the congregation sets a bad example, and leads to a chain reaction of bad apples after a while. But you know all about that.
I don't like the way it's done, and I don't think it's right, but with them; it works. And that's the point.
Glad to see someone with a bad experience with the JWs can still understand them, without screaming "heretics!" whenever they're mentioned. | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 59 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/10/2005 4:16:30 PM | Understandable.
My mother still tries to preach to me when we talk, but she knows my views, and respects my ideals.
At least you haven't completely disregarded the religion as total bunk, which so many people in your situation have found it easy to do, since it affected them personally.
That proves to me that you have a good heart and an open mind.
Good luck fishing, I mean that. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 4:19:26 PM | | I would just like to say something to Garf and Stealth here for a minute.It is easy to tell from your writings that you both have educated opinions.Although I am an active Christain,I am not profound in remembering the scriptures.Like everything else in this world,there are counterfeit spiritualists.Personally I could care less what anothers belief may be in this world,Catholic-Muslim-Buddah-Morman-Jehovah etc.Simple faith and belief in God is right,how you spread the gospel,apply your faith and by what rules you follow mean little to me, | |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 4:25:11 PM | So lets just say for arguments sake, legal, that i dont believe in a god. I still live my life the way i morally see fit and basically live by the commandments or whatever we wanna call them today......i dont spread gospel or my faith to anyone. And im just asking, does my faith means less because its not based around an organized being??v
Sooo off topic i know.... | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 63 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/10/2005 4:32:55 PM | Legal; Thanks for the compliment, and I believe what you say to be true in regards to the belief overpowering the title of the religion, so to speak.
There's too much debate over who's right and who's wrong.
If we're all sitting at a buffet, and I think that the food on my plate is the best; I might offer you a taste, but if you don't like the looks of it, that's your choice not to taste it based on looks alone. But I most certainly will not just toss it on your plate, or shove it in your wouth while you're trying to yawn. You would just reject it twice as fast. (And probably smack me) If we're all eating different food, the end result is going to be the same;
If the food was good, we'll all be well fed.
If someone ate bad food, they'll know when it's too late, and there'll be nothing anyone can do to change that.
If it all turns out to be bad; We'll all have the shits, and then we can look back and say "At least we didn't waste the whole lunch hour by arguing about who's food tasted the best...'cause we're all f**ked now."
(I just thought of this off the top of my head, talk about verbal diahrrea! LMAO)
I seriously need feedback on this analogy...I want to know if it makes sense to anyone else,
V: You're welcome, thank you, and this post should answer your above question...from my viewpoint at least. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 5:03:18 PM | | To voluptuousness...The word faith to me means..faith in God.If your a non-believer how can you have faith? As long as we are off topic,I'd like to ask Garf and anyone else about this.Native Americans were never taught about the bible or knew anything of the commandments,Jesus or Moses but there God was very active and influential in there lives.I know that there God is the same as mine,how were they taught? Does the bible have any references to them or any other unbaptised tribes in the world? | |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 9:09:03 PM | Read post #17 on this thread by Peaceful Hermit. This is the real skinny on this false cult. Like Mormons and Scientology, these cults are false. They do not base their doctrine on Jesus Christ. JW does not believe that Jesus Christ is Son of God come in the flesh.
I have been around Christianity for many many years. Most of the people in JW have to be country bumpkins and low-educated 'cause who else would believe this bunk. What a crock.
I live in an area where a lot of the members are blacks with little education. | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 67 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/10/2005 9:12:13 PM | You obviously have no idea what you are talking about regarding the Jehovah's Witnesses.
Would you like a lesson?
I'll warn you; I have been known to rant for lesser causes, but I just ate...so I'm kinda lethargic right now.
I live in an area where a lot of the members are blacks with little education. What? | |
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korky
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Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 68 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/11/2005 12:19:46 AM | Its interesting to read all your comments on different religions. You all have a valid point to make who is right and who is wrong. I will tell you what I believe so make your judgement. Anybody that trys to destroy another persons religious belief is not worthy to be called a Christian and that goes for all of you. A TRUE Christian only knows love for his fellow man and does not judge. You have all been brainwashed by a controlling organisation to think like them and when you let them control you, you are not fit to tell me who is right and who is wrong. The church was originally set up to control people as the government couldn't control the masses, they decided to put the fear of God in them. This is why the government and church is/was so close.
Let me explain what transpired centurys ago. The White man went into Africa to rape and steal from the black people and the same was done in South America all the way to Canada. When the white man arrived to do their plundering they were attacked and killed by the natives. The great white governments of Europe decided we can't allow this so they sent the missionaries in to put the fear of God in the so called savages. When they accomplished this , in comes the Europeans to rape, steal and destroy in the name of God. That still goes on today so that they can get what they want in any country that doesn't conform. Look how the missionaries are pushing into Russia and the Middle East to calm the savages. You may think that I don't believe in a God but my God does not try to convert, control and corrupt another persons belief. When you can forgive and hold out your hand in love to another person without condeming them for their belief then you are a true Christian. Now take your organised religion and go fly a kite . | |
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Posted: 8/11/2005 3:47:50 PM | querky, you don't know what you're talking about. The Romans had slaves and so did the Moslems. You point out that whites had slaves. Blacks in Africa have slaves. I'm so tired of the same ol' same ol' playing the race card.
And yes, true Christians do call a spade a spade. Jehovah Witness will take their own believers to hell if they don't wake up to their own Watchtower. | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 70 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/11/2005 4:08:12 PM |
Jehovah Witness will take their own believers to hell if they don't wake up to their own Watchtower. What are you talking about now?
This comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Korky, you're 100% right about organized religion. It was originally designed to control the masses when the governments failed to do the job.
Even in the bible, although it does say to congregate in worship (which is the reason they built a temple); all theocratic work was done by word of mouth, and leading by example.
They do not base their doctrine on Jesus Christ. JW does not believe that Jesus Christ is Son of God come in the flesh.
I have been around Christianity for many many years. Most of the people in JW have to be country bumpkins and low-educated 'cause who else would believe this bunk. What a crock.
I live in an area where a lot of the members are blacks with little education. Stealth; read my post that I responded to this comment with. It still applies.
Do some research, then make an educated response. What you wrote is so incredibly inaccurate, it makes my brain hurt. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2005 12:04:54 PM | Jehovah Witness will take their own believers to hell if they don't wake up to their own Watchtower.
What are you talking about now?
This comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
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Was just trying to make a play on words: Watchtower has image of spying out the land for enemies. "Awake" and "Watchtower" are some of the JW publications. Many tracts or small fliers are left at the doors of homes.
Garf, I believe JW are sincere people and admire their dedication to their "witnessing." But on the other hand I believe that Mormons and JW can be sincere and yet sincerely wrong in their doctrine. | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 72 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/13/2005 12:09:53 PM | You believe that the Mormons are wrong? LOL, so do I.
You believe that the JWs are wrong, because they don't believe in Christ though, or for whatever other reasons.
I don't think you have been given the proper information regarding the faith to make an accurate assumption.
They are dedicated, that's a given.
Specifically what about their doctrines leads you to believe they are incorrect? | |
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chtek
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Joined: 8/25/2004
Msg: 73 | |
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Garf
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Joined: 4/4/2005
Msg: 74 | |
| question: why do jehova's witness's seem to be so pushy not judging just a question
Posted: 8/13/2005 12:39:16 PM | If you ask the JWs for a word of prayer, you'll get a word of prayer. No problem.
You can always pick out JWs at a restaraunt, they always pray before every meal, without exception.
I don't know why someone would tell you they would run. That's false information from someone who is just trying to debunk the faith. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 2:04:36 PM |
If you ask the JWs for a word of prayer, you'll get a word of prayer. No problem.
You can always pick out JWs at a restaurant, they always pray before every meal, without exception.
Unless they do it in the powder room/men's room before eating, that is not my experience of the JW's. Even at a family table it doesn't always happen, but then I was on the outside looking in.
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