| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 10/31/2009 5:28:01 PM | Obama's approval or non-approval by voters could be reflected in the governor races this upcoming Tuesday. Further more they could be a reflection of what is to come for 2010.
Nice try dear... unfortunately, you forget to be a student of electoral history in this...
VA...? Not voting for a Dem would be an indictment of Obama's popularity...? In a pig's eye... you see... VA has NOT elected a Governor from the same party as the President... even if the state went to that President... in over 30 years...
This is where being a student of history comes in handy... the polling history of the VA Gov's office... typically goes to the party the President is NOT a member of...
And NJ...? Again, you fail to learn the lesson of history... the polling history of the NJ Gov's office... except for a few 'blips' along the way... NJ switches parties approximately every 8 years... regardless of the part of the President in office... the pattern has held in the main for a century... it's been almost 8 years of Dem Gov's... history says it would be a 'break from tradition' if there wasn't a change in party at this point...
No awareness of history in the comment... Just more "grenade lobbing"... | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 10/31/2009 5:57:32 PM |
Meanwhile Obama's polls at RCP have edged up a bit to 51.9% for the weekend. Maybe by Monday they will reach 52%....Will Obama ever reach the height that he had in the beginning?? Who knows.
Many fear that he will eventually be below 50% overall and remain there.
The biggest fear is that Obama's overall ratings just might hit below 50% prior to his one year anniversary..
Looks like his approval rating is going up UP UP "52%" faster then you anticipated and look at that pesky "+" plus it's at 8.6 %
President Obama Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve52.0Disapprove43.4Spread +8.6
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:36:38 PM |
For me I'd actually love to see a big upswing in the overall polls for that would mean that just maybe Obama was listening to his constituents and maybe doing something for the good of our Country. Not really sure from his record this year that will happen, but we will see
I think the polls may have more importance to other people, President Obama knows that the only thing that is really important is the War in Afganistan and the economy right here at home.
Nov 08 an important poll possibly the most important poll we will see in our life time | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:58:57 PM | Now the nay Sayers brag about the approval ratings and Obama has still only fallen about 50 pts since he was sworn in. The week Obama was sworn in he was about a +56 or so.
And you act like this is unusual...? That it is of some great significance...? Again you fail to recognize the lessons of history...
Virtualy every President has had a large drop in approval in the first months in office... the trend is virtually universal... the last President to escape this trend was GHWB... before him it was JFK... GWB's approval in his first 8 months fell faster than Obama's has... only 9/11 saved him, temporarily...
"lobbing grenades" works better with a strong arm and an overhand toss.... | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 10/31/2009 10:37:28 PM |
VA...? Not voting for a Dem would be an indictment of Obama's popularity...? In a pig's eye... you see... VA has NOT elected a Governor from the same party as the President... even if the state went to that President... in over 30 years...
This is where being a student of history comes in handy... the polling history of the VA Gov's office... typically goes to the party the President is NOT a member of...
Now that is some serious spin!!
Mungo joe is funny!!
I will save this post for the next time that you (or your ilk) is beating the drum of the death of the Republican Party. No need to look at the individuals......it's just history repeating itself.  | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 12:42:02 PM |
Now that is some serious spin!!
So why was Obama campaigning in Va, especially looking for the younger crowd to help out the Democratic party.
Might have worked last year but this year, he is not quite as popular.
President Barack Obama urged Virginians Tuesday to elect a Democrat as governor next week, but party officials braced for a defeat that could take some sheen off Obama's first year in office.
Last fall, Obama became the first Democratic presidential nominee to carry Virginia since 1964. But the state remains highly competitive, and Obama has had little apparent success in boosting the hopes of Creigh Deeds, the Democrat who is trailing Republican Bob McDonnell in polls ahead of the Nov. 3 election.
Still, Obama delighted a partisan audience of several thousand people at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, portraying Deeds as the rightful successor to popular Democratic governors Mark Warner and Tim Kaine. http://www.fox11az.com/news/politics/66618347.html | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 1:01:25 PM |
So why was Obama campaigning in Va, especially looking for the younger crowd to help out the Democratic party.
Might have worked last year but this year, he is not quite as popular.
Check out those job approval numbers do you see the "+"plus
President Obama Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve52.0Disapprove43.4Spread +8.6
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 1:38:06 PM | Did anyone notice how Obama's approval ratings slide over in just the last 9 months.
In January the + was in the high 50s or so. Dang now its hedging in the 8-9 pt bracket.
Thats an almost 50 pt slide Downward in 9 months.
Like they say Obama has the biggest poll slide of any president since Truman.
How soon people turn when they expect change but just get the same ole same ole.
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 1:38:28 PM | | Since the haters are glued to the mystical significant meanings of a poll try to remember that Obama currently is at a plus,at plus 55 % and those that disapprove is only 38%,thats it,a wimpy 38%,no really 38%,a pathetically small 38%,since you believe in these poll numbers you should understand Obama has a vast and significant lead over the minority. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 4:00:02 PM | Now that is some serious spin!!
No spin to it... just the real facts... check it out for yourself... not ONE Gov. elected in VA who belonged to the same party as the sitting President... not even when Reagan was Pres. and VA went OVERWHELMINGLY Republican in the Presidential election...
Call it spin all you like... but it is an INDESPUTABLE fact... challenge it if you dare but you WILL lose...
Did anyone notice how Obama's approval ratings slide over in just the last 9 months.
As has almost every President... Bush slid even worse... Obviously you missed that little fact from before... or was it just to "lob a grenade"? | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 5:04:50 PM |
No need to look at the individuals......
Actually... no... there is no need...
Not when the pattern has held true for 30 years... if it were only a couple of candidates you might have a point... but not when it is consistent for 30 years. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 8:43:58 PM | Not really much room for debate when the polls show support for Obama decreasing...we can all speculate make excuses and what not but if the Liberals are going to hold up the polls as some sort of evidence of how popular and great Obama is when the numbers are high then they really should just keep quiet when the numbers are low....can't really have it both ways either polls are an accurate reflection of how people feel about Obama or they aren't simple as that....
Looks like he is going under 50% kind of difficult to perpetuate the myth of Overwhelming popularity and support as the numbers go in the opposite direction....
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 9:09:40 PM | Looks like he is going under 50% kind of difficult to perpetuate the myth of Overwhelming popularity and support as the numbers go in the opposite direction....
Like I have said when the polls are up for Obama they are the greatest thing ever invented for Obama worshippers. When Obama approval are down they are just a bunch of crap according to Obama worshippers.
Obama's went from 51.6 to 52% over the weekend and wow what a difference in the posting.
Obama Quarterly Approval Average Slips Nine Points to 53%Largest second- to third-quarter drop for an elected president More generally, Obama's 9-point slide between quarters ranks as one of the steepest for a president at any point in his first year in office. The highest is Truman's 19-point drop between his third and fourth quarters, followed by a 15-point drop for Gerald Ford between his first and second quarters. The largest for an elected president in his first year is Bill Clinton's 11-point slide between his first and second quarters. http://www.gallup.com/poll/123806/Obama-Quarterly-Approval-Average-Slips-Nine-Points.aspx | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 10:12:22 PM | you guys just make up your own logic as you go,and what difference,same old stuff really,hang on to your false hope its all you have ,its all you ever had.Your argument has been a lost cause since day one.Remember its you that is saying this has meaning,same as before ,same as always,so much noise from you guys in the extreme minority .
Oh congrats again,Obama officially ended the recession,its been officially termed no more.Its getting hard to keep up with this nobel prize winning president.Accomplishment after accomplishment. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/1/2009 10:31:15 PM | Really the recession ended? No wonder the Stock market rallied Friday...Oops! seriously the only people that are buying the numbers are the ardent Obama zealots ....GDP growth? cash for clunkers and government spending, cash for clunkers over no continuing effect .....consumer spending down, Unemployment rising everyday.....
A sign of how whack the Obama administration is....they put out a number of 30,000 jobs created or saved(seriously come on saved wtf?) and the numbers were proven to be inaccurate and a blatant overstatement..
SO a few weeks later they put out a new number of jobs allegedly created or saved 650,000 plus....WTF? So they didn't fire a bunch of teachers(representing about half of the 650K)thats the jobs saved or created...PLEASE so now we have to thank Obama for our Public Schools not closing....thats too much....the magic numbers also included a bunch of Temporary jobs...Woo Hoo...
530,00 initial unemployment claims for week ending 10-24 ....
Unfortunately the Obama administration has resorted to covering up the failure of his massive "Stimulus" plan... | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:15:42 AM |
Unfortunately the Obama administration has resorted to covering up the failure of his massive "Stimulus" plan...
The spread look at the spread from 8.6% to 8.9%
President Obama Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve52.0Disapprove43.1Spread +8.9 | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:01:21 AM | What was I thinking ,I should have known you would be like the only ones that had to have official news explained to you.You need to be aware when official statements are made.That way you don't need to always have that look of a deer caught in headlights.At some point you need to listen to the experts and stop thinking you can out think each one of them.We have proved your logic is off on every thread your on.You were labeled a long time ago.
Here let me cut and paste my response off the "recession ended thread !"
Sure it is but when something is termed a recession or a depression it is because it hit a certain set of criteria,same for when it ended.It does not mean a country is all peaches and cream,it means you can no longer accurately term the time as a recession,it ended,per set criteria.As history has always shown its quite foggy as to when the exact turning point was,and when many look back at that time period,there is varied responses.Our country has had many depressions and many recessions,nothing new in that department. We are improving is all ,its a long road.First it was a threat of imminent depression,Obama staved that off and it turned to recession,Obama staved that off and now the recession has officially ended ,and well sure lots and lots of things are looking pretty bad,just no longer so bad that it fits a definition of a recession.
Here is an article that might help.you seem to always need extra attention and lots of examples,sorry no pictures though ! I imagine after you read it though , you will instantly think your smarter than the nonpartisan group called the National Bureau of Economic Research group in charge ,similiar to way you felt you were smarter than all the members of STORT including their president ,those responsible for picking a Nobel winner !
March 21, 2008
When will we know if it's a recession?
Some economists think we're in a recession, while others disagree. When will we know for sure? Listen
Dr. Mike Walden, North Carolina Cooperative Extension economist in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at N.C. State University, responds:
"Well, unfortunately we won't know for a while. In fact, we likely won't know until the recession is over if, indeed, there is a recession. The reason is that there is actually a group outside the federal government - it's a nonpartisan group called the National Bureau of Economic Research - that is actually charged with making the call on a recession. They determine if we're in a recession. They determine when a recession begins, when it ends, how bad it is. And of course to do this, they look at evidence, a lot of statistical evidence about the economy. The rule of thumb is we have to have a broad retreat - negative growth, if you will - in the economy for at least six months. Now the problem is that the data that these folks need to make the determination about a recession comes out with a substantial lag. Many of the data come out three or four months after the fact, so it's going to be a while, for example, to see if we meet that six-month criteria for having a retreat in the economy. It's going to be a while before all those data are here, which means as in past recessions, we'll know if it's a recession, but only after the fact." | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:14:06 AM | "Unfortunately, the announcement still hasn't even convinced Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner that the economy has climbed out of its trough. Geithner said that the recession remains "alive and acute," but added that the report is a step in the right direction."But this is just the beginning," warned the Treasury chief. "Unemployment remains unacceptably high. For every person out of work, for every family facing foreclosure, for every small business facing a credit crunch, the recession remains alive and acute. Growth will bring jobs, but we need to continue working together to strengthen the recovery."
When the GDP number is not accurate the recession is not over...
"while consumer incomes rose in the 2nd quarter, the increase in income was almost completely due to increases in government transfer payments, such as welfare, unemployment, and economic stimulus checks. Consumer incomes fell again in September. For sustained economic growth to occur, earned income needs to increase, which cannot happen while unemployment is still so high. Unemployment rose last month to 9.8 percent, a 20-year high.
nd although consumer spending increased over the third quarter, the increases in spending were due in large part for the cash-for-clunker program, another program funded by the taxpayers. Consumer spending actually fell in September by the largest amount since last December. Consumer confidence, as measured by the Consumer Confidence Board, has fallen in both September and October.
The improvements in GDP were also helped by government spending, which can help an economy in the short-run. In the long-run, however, spending taxpayer dollars or borrowing from our future is not the healthiest approach for sustained economic growth. The job market needs to turn around so that consumers can increase their earned incomes. An improved labor market will help the consumer side of the economy and reduce our reliance on the government to boost GDP." | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:34:12 AM | I must admit when you take your quotes out of context and put your slant on it,it does sound more dramatic.Here is what he said "But this is just the beginning," warned the Treasury chief. "Unemployment remains unacceptably high. For every person out of work, for every family facing foreclosure, for every small business facing a credit crunch, the recession remains alive and acute. Growth will bring jobs, but we need to continue working together to strengthen the recovery."
If your the one being swept away at the moment down that flooded river of life then this official ending of a recession will not have the same meaning to you.That,s what he meant,that is what he said,you literally tried to make it sound like he disagreed with the official news,but that is very true to your style.
Some of you put way to much meaning into a term.We just a few months back were at depressions door,it pretty much was a for sure thing,Obama made quick work of that, and now we finally are able to call the TERM recession, as over because that the criteria was met.Look if a radiator light is on,it will go off when the excessive heat stops,but its not a normal temperature,its still hot.
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:54:06 AM | That would be cool I like graphs especially when they have different colors and pie charts...Nice...
Say what you will the Economy sucks...unemployment 10% ....No real job creation.....
If it makes you feel better to call it recession almost depression and for you to pretend that we have really recovered thats cool, but I think that if the GDP number was accurate the Stock Market would have faired better on Friday...just sayin...those are people who know a lot more about the state of the Economy than you or I....
GDP = private consumption + gross investment + GOVERNMENT SPENDING + (exports − imports),
Private consumption is down If this is true then how can we have recovery with unemployment rate increasing everyday....think about this if there are no jobs created foreclosures will rise, spending will continue to fall, what type of effect is this going to have on the economy? | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:10:10 AM |
If it makes you feel better to call it recession almost depression and for you to pretend that we have really recovered thats cool,
I have no idea what your talking about,its written proof that we were on Depressions doorstep a few months back,Obama kept us from that and its now officially stated the recession is no more,Obama did that also.I did not say it the Feds said it.And I never said we had recovered,in fact I thought I was very clear now on THREE posts explaining just because you can't use the recession word anymore doesn't mean things are over.Why does everything need to be repeated over and over for you.I cannot break this further down for you, I have no crayons.Try to understand that the word recession is a term we can no longer use now.Look if your were in Intensive care(ICU) in the hospital and then they we able to take you off the ICU list,something tells me,you using the logic your using now,that you'd then expect to be healed ,because you were taken off the critical list.when in reality it only means you were taken off the critical list. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:10:13 AM | Ok then I have a question, if the recession has allegedly ended what does that mean?
Doesn't that imply that we are recovering?
If so what criteria is used to determine the recession is over and recovery is beginning?
GDP? Consumer Spending? Unemployment?
GDP number is not accurate, Consumer spending is down, unemployment rate is rising everyday..
So with this in mind, what difference does it make if the "recession" is allegedly over?
So then the argument turns to whether or not we are actually recovering...
To which I say How can you say we are Recovering when unemployment rate is going up every day and no Real jobs are being created?
In a Consumer driven economy you can not have "Recovery" if Consumers don't have money to spend, pretty simple....people don't have jobs there is no money for them to spend.. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:05:25 AM |
Ok then I have a question, if the recession has allegedly ended what does that mean?
Doesn't that imply that we are recovering?
If so what criteria is used to determine the recession is over and recovery is beginning?
GDP? Consumer Spending? Unemployment?
Yes it does mean the recovery has started and the criteria used to determine that is the GDP which grew at a rate of 3.5% in the last quarter.
GDP number is not accurate, Consumer spending is down, unemployment rate is rising everyday..
Employment is unfortunately the last item to recover in a deep recession such as what as just happened, but the GDP numbers show the stimulus is having the desired effect and the employment numbers will soon follow. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:18:49 AM | Unemployment is a great indicator...
keeping Labor rates down along with a Down sized work force is great for the bottom line...
The only way the US can compete is with increased Productivity....
High Unemployment will be great for the Corporate bottom line... Stock prices will go UP>>>
Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Manufacturing in the U.S. expanded in October at the fastest pace in more than three years, a sign that factories will be the main drivers of the economic recovery in coming months.
The Institute for Supply Management’s factory index rose to 55.7, exceeding the most optimistic economist’s forecast, from 52.6 in September, according to the Tempe, Arizona-based group. Readings above 50 signal expansion.
Rising sales, boosted in part by the administration’s “cash-for-clunkers” plan, have led to a record plunge in stockpiles that will keep assembly lines humming. More than $2 trillion in global stimulus will also lift demand, while mounting joblessness signals consumer spending will be slow to rebound.
“The recovery remains firmly on track,” said John Herrmann, president of Herrmann Forecasting in Summit, New Jersey, whose projection for the index to rise to 55 matched the highest expectation. Manufacturing is “laying the groundwork for a very strong inventory restocking cycle.”
How about the $38 Billion in Over draft Fees this helps the GDP...
How about the double digit Increase in heath care Premiums... Great for the GDP...
The shift to a service economy puts more pressure on the work force... Off shore jobs...
We need high unemployment ... Bottom line on Wall Street....
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