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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:02:41 AM |
How about the $38 Billion in Over draft Fees this helps the GDP...
How about the double digit Increase in heath care Premiums... Great for the GDP... But wait,I thought the opposition clearly stated we were far better off having private industry in charge over governments intervention,
These items above have gone on for years,negative or positive towards the GDP,Banks,Pharmaceutical and insurance companies have raped us for years,thats why many challenge the intellect of the opposition,using these industries as stellar examples of a system they seem to find palatable over our Government,I see there point a little if they're thinking 20 years of republican rule government,yes that surely was inept,horrible government care.Obama has shown he is not like that.Everyone but the GOP/extreme conservative/republicans see that. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:25:33 AM | | "Indeed it was. The White House says that up to 1.6 of the 3.5 percent increase in 3rd quarter GDP came from a cash-for-clunker-stimulated auto sector." | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 10:54:26 AM |
"Indeed it was. The White House says that up to 1.6 of the 3.5 percent increase in 3rd quarter GDP came from a cash-for-clunker-stimulated auto sector."
Holy crap.... $2 BILLION did that...
Banks should bump Over draft fees a couple of Bucks...
$38 BILLION over draft fees... $45 Billion....
How about a Reagan Fix?
Tax cut upper Bracket? May Zero?
Double Payroll Tax , Gas tax ????
I hear Reagan had a far worse economy............
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:08:37 PM | Today's Obama Approval Rating is 51.7% , with a 8.4 spread.
Wonder if Obama will see the mid 50s spread he once had in the beginning.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html | |
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Posted: 11/2/2009 6:43:24 PM | Ok Killene I went to your page link and since you felt you had the right the use the RCP average of all those numbers I decided to also use my free will and use the actual ABC poll on your link from your average that states Obama is Approved 57% and he is disapproved an amazingly low 40%,now thats a 17% spread from approve and disapprove,wow,17% ,we must really love this man,it seems to contradict everything you say. Thanks for the link where I got my current numbers,and as we all realize,you certainly could not put down ABCs credibility because you averaged them,didn't you !
Wait a dog gone minute,it just donned on me I found what you were hoping for,you Wondered if Obama will see the mid 50s spread he once had in the beginning.and by golly,I almost gave you 60%,I sure was close at 57%,imagine that it was right there on your own link,odd you did not notice that.
Oh you know what on the same link it stated Rasmussen took that exact same poll and got only 46% to like Obama and they found a whopping 52% that disapproved,how can that be,why that disapproval is a 12% difference from ABC.Its like when these polls talk to a 1000 people,they're talking to different ones ,as if it means people are differnet so you cannot talk to 1000 people and get the same numbers,I could have sworn people here were saying with statistics 101 you can talk to a few 100 people and it will tell you how 307,000,000 think.
Killene its right there in black and white on your link 57% approve of Obama. Yet you still update us on a tenth of one percent when these polls can vary 12% all polling the same thing.
Please leave a link next time too so I can tell everybody the good news,my news is far better than yours was. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:40:11 PM |
Killene its right there in black and white on your link 57% approve of Obama. Yet you still update us on a tenth of one percent when these polls can vary 12% all polling the same thing.
It will be interesting to see the results of the elections tomorrow...NJ, VA and 23rd of NY. To see where the polls were today going in and what the actual numbers reflect tomorrow. As you state, it will be there in 'black and white' which pollsters were the closest.
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:09:05 AM | There is a difference in Spread and in the rating....If you notice there are numerous posts on here bragging that Obama still has a +8 or so spread. Obama in January had a +56 spread. So will Obama ever see that type of spread again.
Right now Obama has a 51.7 % approval rating with a 43.3% disapproval rating and a 8.4 spread(the difference between the approval and disapproval numbers) when RCP averages out the polls Obama approval Polls.
In January with Gallup Obama was sporting a 68% approval rating with a 12% disapproval rating and a +56 spread. In January with Hotline/FD Obama was sporting a 63% approval rating with a 9% disapproval rating and a +54 spread.
Obama approval rating according to RCP is an average of all the polls, some are more bias to the left, some more bias to the right, and some are more on. By taking the average RCP seems to hit the mark.
If one wants to test RCP averages, one only has to look back at the primaries and the election last year. Like I said earlier RCP's overwhelmingly had the states % of popular votes for the candidates in the primaries and general election pinpointed within 1%.
So the comment or question from post 304 still stands.
Wonder if Obama will see the mid 50s spread he once had in the beginning.
It will be interesting to see the results of the elections tomorrow...NJ, VA and 23rd of NY. To see where the polls were today going in and what the actual numbers reflect tomorrow. As you state, it will be there in 'black and white' which pollsters were the closest.
Yes it will be interesting, especially since it seems that only one election seems really close according to RCP averages.
New Jersey Governor - Corzine vs. Christie election is Very Close---Corzine 41.6% and Christie 42.6%. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2009/governor/nj/new_jersey_governor_corzine_vs_christie-1051.html
Virginia Governor - McDonnell vs. Deeds is not supposed to be close---McDonnell 54.6% and Deeds 41.2% http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2009/governor/va/virginia_governor_mcdonnell_vs_deeds-1055.html
New York Mayor - Bloomberg vs. Thompson is not supposed to be close---Bloomberg 52% and Thompson 39.3% http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2009/other/ny/new_york_mayor_bloomberg_vs_thompson-1083.html
New York 23rd DistrictFor some reason RCP did not average out all the New York 23rd District - Special Election polls. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2009/house/ny/new_york_23rd_district_special_election-1119.html | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:49:37 AM | I did not realize that what you meant by a spread ,I stand corrected.
Back to your wrong numbers,your choosing to take averages because those are the numbers you feel the most comfortable with,others have taken the highest and still others the lowest,all 3 groups take those sets of numbers to make their particular argument look the best.And to make your point sound outstanding this time you chose to take the highest spread from Gallup
I repeatedly say the polls are so far off,one almost has to average them because they differ so greatly.But in reality I think the great difference is where the true fact of the matter lay,and that is there is no common consensus.You directed me to the beginning ,where the SPREAD was the greatest,I found it interesting you chose the highest number poll to make your point but other times preach you use averages.Here is the great great difference between polls at that time,and the diffenrence is great,what more does anyone need to realize there is no common ground there between those different polls,you choose to avg. because you like the numbers you can create.I like the individual poll because it further proves,the more different people you talk too the more differing opinion is out there.What can you expect from using a trace of a trace amount of one percent of the population.
Check out these vast differences,you'd need a plane to travel the spread !Check out how that spread differs from a high of Killenes +56 to a staggering low of +26 WOW that's a difference of 30 % WOW its so not accurate,huh !
Democracy Corps (D) 1/26 - 1/29 1000 LV 55 20 +35
FOX News 1/27 - 1/28 900 RV 65 16 +49
Gallup 1/25 - 1/27 1500 A 64 16 +48
Rasmussen 1/25 - 1/27 1500 LV 62 36 +26
Hotline/FD 1/21 - 1/24 800 RV 63 9 +54
Gallup 1/21 - 1/23 1591 A 68 12 +56 | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:25:22 AM |
As you state, it will be there in 'black and white' which pollsters were the closest. Once again,what are you even talking about.I don't think the polls on Obamas approval rating has a shred to do with whom is voted in on a few state elections,that has absolutely nothing to do with Obamas Approval,and these ratings I'm talking about are different from the polls your talking about.Here you spout off Black and white and instead you throw us gray.You need to go to another poll for that. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:58:22 AM | Another interesting poll from CNN. Seems that compared to Bush's first year in office Obama has 57% approval rating and Bush only has a 34% approval rating.
hindsight is 20/2o it seems and although Bush had high marks because of 9/11 alot of folks would take back their approval if they could.
This also supports what I have argued all along. Conservatives love to point out the lowering of Obama's approval rating while at the same time ignoring their own leaders abysmal approval ratings. Compared to potential Republican candidates, Obama's ratings show he would still slaughter them in an any election.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/03/obama.poll/index.html | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 10:53:05 AM | Another interesting poll from CNN. Seems that compared to Bush's first year in office Obama has 57% approval rating and Bush only has a 34% approval rating
I looked up the article and this is what I found in regards to what they had to say about Bush and Obama. No place in the article does it say anything about Bush's first year.
Another factor that may be boosting Obama's overall rating is the inevitable comparison with the man he replaced in the Oval Office. Fifty-seven percent say Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush; only a third say Bush's track record was better.
There are not too many people seem to admire GW's time in office. (I didnt). But when GW gets higher ratings technically 9 months after he left office than that does seem to make one wonder. When Bush left office he had only a 29% approval rating, now its a third.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=19
Like i said before comparing Bush's first November with Obama's first November would not be fair due to what happened in September of Bush's first year.
There was only one other president slid as much in the polls in their first 9 months and GW wasnt one of them. In fact there are only two presidents that were lower than Obama since WWII in their 3rd quarter and neither one was GW.
Among all presidents since WWII, Obama's third quarter approval rating is above only Bill Clinton and Gerald Ford. Clinton averaged 48 percent in the third quarter of 1993. Ford averaged 39 percent during his 1975 third quarter. http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/10/21/poll-obama-worst-decline-in-approval-since-wwii/
In fact GW's first year late summer months prior to 9/11 were similar and often times higher than Obama's late summer months. GW's ratings in Sept, Oct, and Nov were way higher than Obama's ever was, even Obama's first got elected or sworn in. By looking at the graph one can see that Bush's ratings did not start going back down until about the Very end of his first term.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=19 (take a look at the graph for July - November of 2001, Bush's 1st year in office.)
Hey I didn't Vote for GW either time and if I had been polled would have said I disappoved of what GW was doing majority of the time.
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 11:31:30 AM |
As you state, it will be there in 'black and white' which pollsters were the closest. Once again,what are you even talking about.I don't think the polls on Obamas approval rating has a shred to do with whom is voted in on a few state elections,that has absolutely nothing to do with Obamas Approval,and these ratings I'm talking about are different from the polls your talking about.Here you spout off Black and white and instead you throw us gray.You need to go to another poll for that.
Here, let me spell it out for you in black and white...
What I'm saying...and 'what' this has to do with Obama's approval rating numbers is, that there are a few elections being held today. There are polls going into the elections and there will be actual voting results after the election. I stated above, that it will be interesting to see which, if any, polls were close to being accurate once the final results are in.
As there are many on this thread who discount Obama's approval ratings/polls, perhaps they would be persuaded differently based on an accurate poll for these elections. Or likewise, those who are putting a lot of stock in Obama's ratings may be persuaded differently if all of these polls are completely out of whack of today's elections.
That help any?
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 11:42:31 AM |
As there are many on this thread who discount Obama's approval ratings/polls, perhaps they would be persuaded differently based on an accurate poll for these elections. Or likewise, those who are putting a lot of stock in Obama's ratings may be persuaded differently if all of these polls are completely out of whack of today's elections.
Like I have said several times, it seems that many of the polls seem to be bias either left or right with a very few in the middle. It seems that RCP's averaging of the polls seem to hit the election votes the best a good majority of the time.
Today's election will probably be an interesting test for RCP and some of the poll takers they used the average of. The New York 23rd District - Special Election polls which they did not average. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 1:42:40 PM |
Like I have said several times, it seems that many of the polls seem to be bias either left or right with a very few in the middle. It seems that RCP's averaging of the polls seem to hit the election votes the best a good majority of the time. since its all just down to guessing and straight opinions,then I say the highest polls are the correct ones each and every time,its not that they are leftist ,its that they are the only correct ones.Its funny that if a number is low or if a number is high your able to make the distinction as to why,if its high,thats like proof to you it certainly must lean left and if its low,it certainly must mean its leaning right then and if you average them,now you have certain proof,strictly your opinion.
Since there is nothing scientific about this,I choose to look at only the big numbers,and until you can show me concrete facts that state those high number polls only speak to babbling idiots and your polls you believe in only talk to learned persons and thats why the numbers are so high then I'll apologize.But for now you show me proof off a link,and it shows a spread difference between like six polls to be different to the degree of 30%,thats a country mile my friend.If all these sights were off by one or maybe up to 1 and a quarter percent then that would prove its pretty accurate.
Like I said,polls are helpers given by the media,to get viewers to watch them and not the others,its about advertising rates and not being extremely factual.That wasn't the point,if they wanted it precise they would have to use maybe 10% of the population,that would be a paltry amount of 62,000,000 to poll,that would have captured all the ethic backgrounds,the different regions,the different religions and cultures,the difference of education and income,I'm afraid you can't get all that when you talk to 1000 people. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 2:15:51 PM | If one is talking highest as to amount of people the Poll Takers use, than that would mean that Obama is hanging in at just barley 50%.
Except for the FOX poll, the polls that seem to be carrying the higher approval numbers for OBama seem to have the smallest sampling of people.
The polls that seem to be generating the lower approval % numbers for Obama use about 50% more people in their polls on a consistant basis .
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
(oops Obama is down to 51.1% this afternoon, which I have to say is the lowest that I have seen him). | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 2:58:37 PM |
If one is talking highest as to amount of people the Poll Takers use, than that would mean that Obama is hanging in at just barley 50%. no,the highest means the highest rating the lowest means the lowest rating,you knew what I meant,I even said it was 57%
The polls that seem to be generating the lower approval % numbers for Obama use about 50% more people in their polls on a consistant basis . that is so not true,this time USA and Rasmussen used the same amount of people,and there findings could not be more different.and then I looked at the whole year and same thing,amount polled had nothing to do with it,I found many examples exactly the opposite of what you said.You seem to think that people are just going to trust your opinion,you show a link and your easy to disprove,I can go through that same list and take two polls each month that are way higher in numbers than to ever state,but had you done that,you would not have had anything to gripe about this whole year numbers wise . | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 3:48:48 PM | | Oh by the way,going off the batch you got your average from,Obamas Approval rating is still +57%,thats an excellent number.It also looks so much better than the number your showing,also his disapproval rating is still at a extremely low 40%. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:18:15 PM | Elections have happened,lets see who was the winner,ah it was mungojoe ,he set all of you straight with this the other day,and I quote,
Nice try dear... unfortunately, you forget to be a student of electoral history in this...
VA...? Not voting for a Dem would be an indictment of Obama's popularity...? In a pig's eye... you see... VA has NOT elected a Governor from the same party as the President... even if the state went to that President... in over 30 years...
This is where being a student of history comes in handy... the polling history of the VA Gov's office... typically goes to the party the President is NOT a member of...
And NJ...? Again, you fail to learn the lesson of history... the polling history of the NJ Gov's office... except for a few 'blips' along the way... NJ switches parties approximately every 8 years... regardless of the part of the President in office... the pattern has held in the main for a century... it's been almost 8 years of Dem Gov's... history says it would be a 'break from tradition' if there wasn't a change in party at this point...
No awareness of history in the comment... Just more "grenade lobbing"...Unquote
I don't know,personally , I think that was quite insightful of mungojoe ,anyways history prevails,and as far as I am concerned I don't see this as any loss for Obama,sure the media likes to say it will be ,but I don't think so,the media is sometimes a little dramatic,and quite frankly is able to spin on a dime,they play both ways at a seconds notice ! | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:31:37 PM | Seems that many think today was not a good day for the President's popularity.
First Reid had to announce that he would probably not be able to deliver the Health Care to Obama this year.
Then after all Obama's campaigning it seems nobody is listening anymore. Hmmmm
GOP sweep: Big governor victories in Virginia, NJ
WASHINGTON – Independents who swept Barack Obama to a historic 2008 victory broke big for Republicans on Tuesday as the GOP wrested political control from Democrats in Virginia and New Jersey, a troubling sign for the president and his party heading into an important midterm election year.
Conservative Republican Bob McDonnell's victory in the Virginia governor's race over Democrat R. Creigh Deeds and moderate Republican Chris Christie's ouster of unpopular New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine was a double-barreled triumph for a party looking to rebuild after being booted from power in national elections in 2006 and 2008.
The outcomes were sure to feed discussion about the state of the electorate, the status of the diverse coalition that sent Obama to the White House and the limits of the president's influence — on the party's base of support and on moderate current lawmakers he needs to advance his legislative priorities.
His signature issue of health care reform was dealt a blow hours before polls closed when Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid signaled that Congress may not complete health care legislation this year, missing Obama's deadline and pushing debate into a congressional election year.
Elsewhere on Tuesday, Maine voters weighed in on same-sex marriage in a closely watched initiative, and New York and California picked congressmen for two vacant seats. A slew of cities selected mayors, and Ohio voted on allowing casinos.
The president had personally campaigned for Deeds and Corzine, seeking to ensure that independents and base voters alike turned out even if he wasn't on the ballot. Thus, the losses were blots on Obama's political standing to a certain degree and suggested potential problems ahead as he seeks to achieve his policy goals, protect Democratic majorities in Congress and expand his party's grip on governors' seats next fall.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_election_rdp | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 8:47:33 PM |
Seems that many think today was not a good day for the President's popularity.
First Reid had to announce that he would probably not be able to deliver the Health Care to Obama this year.
Then after all Obama's campaigning it seems nobody is listening anymore. Hmmmm Hmmmmm ... indeed. Ya know ... it appears as if someone seems to be beating the "racist" drum an awful lot lately. Just saying ...
Do you think that by going that route ... it will get the "black man" and his family out of the White House by the end of the year?
No matter what the polls show ... he's there for a while. Like it or not ... no matter what happens ... no matter what the results of the individual state elections ... he's there for a while. Get used to it.
Does that mean the White House now has "Cooties"? That's what it looks like when one reads some of the posts in here. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:32:31 PM | Ouch, maybe last night did do some damage to Obama....It seems that Obama at this time 3:30 pm 11/04 is at 50.6% approval rating.
This is the lowest rating yet for Obama at RCP as they average in the all the Obama approval polls.
In the CNN polls that were averaged in the RCP poll Obama has slipped below the 55% mark.
RCP average includes
Rasmussen Reports 48% approval
Fox News 50%
CNN 55% approval.
Gallup 50% approval
NBC 51% approval
I have a feeling that Obama will come up a bit as some of the newer polls that favor him come in.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:52:00 PM |
Ouch, maybe last night did do some damage to Obama....It seems that Obama at this time 3:30 pm 11/04 is at 50.6% approval rating.
As of 6:39 PM President Obama ' approval rate is 51.4% that's plus "+" 7.4 %
This is the lowest rating yet for Obama at RCP as they average in the all the Obama approval polls.
Don't get your hopes up to much it's just a matter of time until the new govenors of NJ and VA show that they represent the same bunch that left us with an economy that was in the tank, they have 11 months to prove that they can turn those two states around, if and when they fail the people will see that the incompetitance that got into this mess is still the same party
In the CNN polls that were averaged in the RCP poll Obama has slipped below the 55% mark.
RCP average includes
Rasmussen Reports 48% approval
Fox News 50%
CNN 55% approval.
Gallup 50% approval
NBC 51% approval
I have a feeling that Obama will come up a bit as some of the newer polls that favor him come in.
I have a feeling that he will come way up as a result of these elections, these two will remind the people of why they voted the republicans out
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread
RCP Average 10/15 - 11/3 -- 51.4 44.0 +7.4
Gallup 11/1 - 11/3 1547 A 50 43 +7
Rasmussen Reports 11/1 - 11/3 1500 LV 48 51 -3
CNN/Opinion Research 10/30 - 11/1 1018 A 54 45 +9
FOX News 10/27 - 10/28 900 RV 50 41 +9
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/22 - 10/25 1009 A 51 42 +9
USA Today/Gallup 10/16 - 10/19 1521 A 50 46 +4
ABC News/Wash Post 10/15 - 10/18 1004 A 57 40 +17
I am sure at some point people will start to ask theirselves the same questions that I have been asking myself
Why when the republicans have been in office for 20 out of the last 28.9 years have they not tackled the tough issues of health care reform and illegal immigration, why do they the republicans only become aware of those issues when democrats try to resolve them? | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/4/2009 3:59:51 PM | | Thats funny ,its in black and white that ABC and the Washington post polls have Obama at 57% and those against at 40% | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/4/2009 4:58:10 PM | Holy crap.
I hadn't looked at this thread, but it's up to 13 pages now. And it's all just updating competing poll results on approval/disapproval ratings. Every bloody month.
Look, he's going to be in power for 3 more years before the next election. Is somebody here getting paid to keep reviving a pointless thread about a topic that not even the 24 hour news cycle thinks is newsworthy?
Lets all just step away from our keyboards for the next 30 months before we look at this one again. | |
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| Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/4/2009 5:21:26 PM | The Washington Post-ABC News poll that was not included in the RCP average is from Oct 15-18. That is about 2 and 1/2 weeks ago.
That is why the RCP did not include it and why I stated that when the new polls come out Obama is bond is go up some.
There is a point in which the polls numbers become outdated.
This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone Oct. 15-18, 2009, among a random national sample of 1,004 adults including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa. 10/18/09 57 % approve 40 disapprove. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_101909.html
Although Obama might be president, it does not mean that people have to approve of him.
All one has to do is look at the sinking of Bush's polls in his second term. Hey we all had to put up with Bush for about 2 or so years while he was president. | |
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