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 Dasein2

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Posted: 9/13/2009 8:21:26 PM

Maybe you can show me a reason for flags to be at half mast on 9/12.


It was an anti-tax rally held in September. Perhaps the flags were at half mast to commemorate the death of logic and critcal thinking?
 killene

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Posted: 9/13/2009 9:06:10 PM
Simple call to your DC rep would have gotten you the answer many American flags were at 1/2 mast due to memorial ceremonies from day before.
Some not all left them at 1/2 mast because of the memorial celebrations being on a Friday and extended they commiseration further.

Again its about convincing anyone of the numbers, for the mumbers only matter to us that care.
To me if it was one, 1,000 or 1 million these people took time from their lifes to help us Americans show that our voice does matter. In the long run it will be seen in the elections.


In the long run these rallies are a good indicator of the reason for sliding poll numbers for Obama. The more Obama ignores the many many people who are fed up the more his numbers will slowly slide down or maybe slide dowward. Right now he is maintaining a 52-53% rating.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 9/13/2009 9:08:23 PM

Shame that so many politicians keep turning a blind eye. I have a funny feeling that is why the approval ratings on Obama slid so much during the Summer, Obama hasn't been listening.


I actually think that much of Obamas slight slide in the polls comes from progressives who are disappointed that he hasn't been more forceful when it come to things like health care reform. They want to see him quite frankly kicking some butt and forget about cozying up to republicans and trying to get a bipartisan bill. It ain't gonna happen. All the right wants is to see failure, no matter what the cost to the public. Sooner Obama realizes , they don't want any sort of reform, the better off he will be. He should just ram through the public option, republicans and other dinosaurs be damned.
 etourdi77

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Posted: 9/14/2009 3:48:27 AM
"It ain't gonna happen. All the right wants is to see failure, no matter what the cost to the public"

It seems as if all the Left is interested in implementing all of their Liberal agenda programs with absolutely no concern with the costs of any of them.Seriously, how many Trillions has Obama spent and is he trying to spend? Obama and the Democrats took a "Stimulus" bill filled it with so much pork and Liberal programs that it did nothing to Stimulate the economy. Obama and the Democrats need to spend less time worrying about reforming our Health Care system and more time on decreasing unemployment....Unemployment is in the teens despite the BS numbers that are out there....It wont matter if we have Health Care Reform when people can no longer afford to keep a roof over their heads or are unable to afford food because there are no JOBS........Wake up !the Democrats and Obama are distracting the American people with this Health Care Reform BS so that no one pays attention to the Fact that the Economy is in such bad shape....if they really want to Reform they could be doing small things now to Reform the system instead of trying to push UHC......
 Swamp_Hunter

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Posted: 9/14/2009 5:33:36 AM

I'll just accuse the guy that put this clip together of falsifying a story line and mixing in the half mast with other sources to make it appear it was on 9/12. And I'll accuse anyone that tries to prove I'm wrong of getting sucked in by winger propaganda.

That is, unless you can come up with links to reputable news outlets that show flags on that building at half mast on 9/12.
Maybe you can show me a reason for flags to be at half mast on 9/12.


Well how about MCNBC? Would you consider those left wing sellouts to be "respectable?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32813988#32813988

Oh and in case that link doesn't work right, here's where you can find it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32811199

Notice the flag 50 seconds into the video... Half mast...

I think we can call this an attempt to discredit FAIL...
 FooledU2x

Joined: 5/30/2009
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Posted: 9/14/2009 6:06:18 AM

Well how about MCNBC? Would you consider those left wing sellouts to be "respectable?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32813988#32813988

Oh and in case that link doesn't work right, here's where you can find it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32811199

Notice the flag 50 seconds into the video... Half mast...

I think we can call this an attempt to discredit FAIL...


Funny how you discredit MSNBC while using their production to prove there were millions when there were only thousands.
Yes MSNBC may be guilty of using stock clips in their story but if you look at the video AND listen to the commentary when the half mast video shows they say "thousands of people" not millions of people.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 9/14/2009 6:30:18 AM

Obama and the Democrats took a "Stimulus" bill filled it with so much pork and Liberal programs that it did nothing to Stimulate the economy.


This seems to be a favorite whipping post from the right. Too much pork in the spending. What is pork? When you come right down to it, if the government is spending on a capital project in your home state or district, then its stimulus spending, designed to create jobs. If it is spent in someone else state or district, which the majority of it is, then its pork.
As for not stimulating the economy, I highly disagree. The government had to spend money or the enitre economy would have fallen off a cliff. Due to the housing market meltdown, consumers basically closed their wallets. Everyone was afraid of losing their jobs and stopped spending which then just makes the situation even worse. Those that had safe jobs then concentrated on reducing debt which does nothing to stimulate an economy.
Businesses then don't sell products which means layoffs which mean even less people spending any money. This is all basic economics 101. GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports), or, GDP = C + I + G + (X − M).
Since private consumption had fallen drastically, no one was investing since everyone was hiding their money under their mattresses, what you have left to save yourselves is government spending or as you call it "pork". Now of course there is good pork and bad pork. Good pork besides being in your home state also is an investment in the future. Building roads and infrastructure are good. They always hire local labor (usually) and you get good roads and water systems for example. The jobs then of course trickle down to everyone else. This of course takes time and judging by the stock market it appears to be working.
Bad pork, besides being in your neighbors district, does nothing or very little to create jobs. This kind of spending is what we see when you have massive expenses in an overseas war. Not much of it will trickle down to the local economy.
The point of all this is simply this. The govenment had to spend massive amounts of money or else the unemploment rate would have been many many times worse. Once the economy starts recovering and people are working again, tax increases are going to be necessary to pay this back. And stop with the complaining about taxes. The United States is one of the lowest taxed nations in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day#Tax_Freedom_Day_around_the_world

As for health care, the fact is the status quo cannot continue. It is too expensive. You spend far too much and get crappy results for your money. Unfortunately Obama is not going far enough with his proposals. The only way for you to truly save money is yo go to a single payer system.
 killene

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Posted: 9/14/2009 6:31:19 AM
Msg 80 said (Well how about MCNBC? Would you consider those left wing sellouts to be "respectable?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32813988#32813988
Oh and in case that link doesn't work right, here's where you can find it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32811199
Notice the flag 50 seconds into the video... Half mast...
I think we can call this an attempt to discredit FAIL...)


Does it really matter whether they believe it was one, a hundred, a thousand or ???.

What really matters is that there are people out there waking up and speaking up against the corruptions of DC.

What really matters is that when we look around we can see undeniable proof that people are tired of the local, state and federal officials of all political parties.

What really matters is what is seen in the polls, and the upcoming elections which I think will be a wakeup call to those officials refusing to open their eyes.

Well we ever know the true numbers, I doubt it. Does it really matter that there is even an English paper saying a million +, MSNBC says hundreds of thousands and some just say tens of thousands, Not Really.

What really matters is that people are angry enough to say we want our country's constitution back. The constitution that seems to be forgotten in many of the things our government is currently doing.

To me it's WE THE PEOPLE who have spoken no matter what others think about the number involved.

Unless the DC elected officials start waking up to their constituents' cries, then they will be most like seeking other employment come their re-election time. That includes Obama and his sliding poll numbers which I feel will be reflected with this rally.


msg 77 said ("Obama and the Democrats took a "Stimulus" bill filled it with so much pork and Liberal programs that it did nothing to Stimulate the economy")

Actually it did stimulate the economy, the economy of the bank, wall street and financial executive coffers so that they did not have to lose the millions they get paid and have in assets. IT was just us little people that have not been able to touch the light of the stimulus PORK.
Strangely this did not seem to help Obama's ratings in the long run.
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 9/14/2009 6:47:02 AM

Does it really matter whether they believe it was one, a hundred, a thousand or ???.


Yes it kinda does , especially since the original estimate posted here was :


I did find it interestting that whether the numbers turn out to be 1.2 million or 2 million or somewhere in between that many


It goes to show credibility. Especially when some posters are constantly accusing some politicians of lying.


What really matters is that people are angry enough to say we want our country's constitution back.


That sentence confuses me. I see wingers all the time holding signs like that up. "I want my country back" or I want our constitution back". What the heck are they talking about? What has been done to the constitution? What has happened that is unconstitutional?
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 9/14/2009 7:07:41 AM
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Notice the flag 50 seconds into the video... Half mast...

I think we can call this an attempt to discredit FAIL...


Discredit... not really ... I would expect you to question my posts to keep the discussion honest.

Thanks for a back up. ....The feed is from the 12th. In a later feed there is a person to raise the flag.............

The net is full of a bunch of bogus pictures of your event.



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The Net is so full of bogus pictures of the event it. We all get used to the posting of misinformation over and over....
 Swamp_Hunter

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Posted: 9/14/2009 7:26:04 AM
Funny how you discredit MSNBC while using their production to prove there were millions when there were only thousands.
Yes MSNBC may be guilty of using stock clips in their story but if you look at the video AND listen to the commentary when the half mast video shows they say "thousands of people" not millions of people.


No, what is REALLY funny is that I used a left wing source to prove the flag WAS at half mast, and now you're trying desperately to turn even THAT around somehow rather than just admitting those claims were obviously FALSE!

Yes, MSNBC's numbers were low, but they actually said "tens ouf thousands", which you've now tried to turn into mere thousands! LOL!

Next thing you know the left will be claiming the protest was really held in a phone booth! LOL!

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/09/conservative-woodstock-rocks-the-capital/
 etourdi77

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Posted: 9/14/2009 8:24:56 AM
"It goes to show credibility. Especially when some posters are constantly accusing some politicians of lying."

I agree about credibility, its interesting that the National park service wont release an estimate, they have released estimates from everything from the inauguration to the "million man March"...the reason the actual number is important is because it is much more difficult for the left to marginalize millions .....think about that for a minute 100's of thousands attending a rally in DC when unemployment is in the teens....

As far as the stimulus plan not working, like you said they have to spend massive amounts of money to stimulate the economy, what have they spent so far? And its easy to make assertions about unemployment possibly having gone higher if they had done nothing since there is no way to prove that, just like when Obama edited his statements about job creation when selling the Stimulus plan, create or save 3-4 million jobs, how do you prove a save? and what happened to all of the jobs that were supposed to be created? Unemployment rate keeps rising..so much for your theory about the stimulus plan working...Our economy is resilient we probably would have recovered this little without the stimulus thanks to TARP.....
 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 9/14/2009 8:56:13 AM

As far as the stimulus plan not working, like you said they have to spend massive amounts of money to stimulate the economy, what have they spent so far? And its easy to make assertions about unemployment possibly having gone higher if they had done nothing since there is no way to prove that, just like when Obama edited his statements about job creation when selling the Stimulus plan, create or save 3-4 million jobs, how do you prove a save? and what happened to all of the jobs that were supposed to be created? Unemployment rate keeps rising..so much for your theory about the stimulus plan working...Our economy is resilient we probably would have recovered this little without the stimulus thanks to TARP.....


There is never anyway to know for sure what would happen if we did this or that instead. What we do have is the benefit from learning from history. The potential was always there if the government had contracted spending instead of expanding it that there would have been a full blown depression as opposed to a very nasty recession.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/greatdepression/tp/greatdepression.htm

The 5 top causes of the great depression:

1. Stock Market Crash of 1929
2. Bank Failures
3. Reduction in Purchasing Across the Board
4. American Economic Policy with Europe (Notably the Smoot-Hawley Tariff )
5. Drought Conditions

Many of those factors are relevant today.

It is definitely more complex than just what I have posted but in a nutshell if you turn off the taps during a severe recession you can have a disaster on your hands.

Here is a more detailed explanation plus many other theories:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression


Monetarists, including Milton Friedman and current Federal Reserve System chairman Ben Bernanke, argue that the Great Depression was mainly caused by monetary contraction, the consequence of poor policymaking by the American Federal Reserve System and continued crisis in the banking system.[16][17] In this view, the Federal Reserve, by not acting, allowed the money supply as measured by the M2 to shrink by one-third from 1929 to 1933, thereby transforming a normal recession into the Great Depression. Friedman argued that the downward turn in the economy, starting with the stock market crash, would have been just another recession.[18] However, the Federal Reserve allowed some large public bank failures – particularly that of the New York Bank of the United States – which produced panic and widespread runs on local banks, and the Federal Reserve sat idly by while banks collapsed. He claimed that, if the Fed had provided emergency lending to these key banks, or simply bought government bonds on the open market to provide liquidity and increase the quantity of money after the key banks fell, all the rest of the banks would not have fallen after the large ones did, and the money supply would not have fallen as far and as fast as it did.[19] With significantly less money to go around, businessmen could not get new loans and could not even get their old loans renewed, forcing many to stop investing. This interpretation blames the Federal Reserve for inaction, especially the New York branch.[20]



There is also this theory:


British economist John Maynard Keynes argued in General Theory of Employment Interest and Money that lower aggregate expenditures in the economy contributed to a massive decline in income and to employment that was well below the average. In such a situation, the economy reached equilibrium at low levels of economic activity and high unemployment. Keynes basic idea was simple: to keep people fully employed, governments have to run deficits when the economy is slowing, as the private sector would not invest enough to keep production at the normal level and bring the economy out of recession. Keynesian economists called on governments during times of economic crisis to pick up the slack by increasing government spending and/or cutting taxes.

As the Depression wore on, Roosevelt tried public works, farm subsidies, and other devices to restart the economy, but never completely gave up trying to balance the budget. According to the Keynesians, this improved the economy, but Roosevelt never spent enough to bring the economy out of recession until the start of World War II.[28]



So while teabaggers are marching around Washington demanding that spending be halted, they should be grateful what could have been an economic disaster of great magnitude is going to be a recoverable recession. Yes eventually everyone will have to pay higher taxes once the economy recovers but it is a small price to pay compared to what this could have become.
 sd_matt

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Posted: 9/14/2009 2:50:18 PM
Getting to the truth is easier than you think.

There are people out there that were calling out a warning that our economy could be in for a serious crash, maybe a depression, years before it happened.

You can see the footage of these people on YouTube, Break.com ect.... some of these warnings go from two years before 2007 to almost THIRTY years ago. Keyword search "predicted economic collapse" "foresaw economic collapse" ect ect....

These are the only ones I listen to nowadays when it comes to economics. Until all of you do the same you will continue to get swindled by both the Dems and Reps.

Find the people, I already have. We can compare names.
 FooledU2x

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Posted: 9/14/2009 3:50:15 PM
Seems like the teabaggers and Obama's address to congress boosted his approval by 5 points?
 killene

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Posted: 9/14/2009 4:16:50 PM
Real Clear Politics shows the Obama Approval Rating Average as of today at 53.5% approval which is a 1.2% increase over the end of last not bad for Obama.

This is taking in the averages of the USA of 54%, CNN of 58%, ABC 54%, Rasmussen of 52%, Gallup of 53% and Associated Press of 50%..

It looks like Obama could be bringing himself up,

One good piece of news for Obama is that none of the current polls have him below 50% right now.

It will interesting to see if he maintains the upward swing or ???. Obama has done a good job of mainting the 52 - 53% rating for the last month or so.
 killene

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Posted: 9/15/2009 12:59:45 PM
I think someplace I said I would report whether Obama was up or down in the polls.

Yesterday I reported that Obama was up about 1.5% since last week according to the averages of Real Clear politics.

I know is not what most expected but it looks like today's Averages For Obama's Approval rating has fallen just a small amount..

Today Obama's Approval Rating is 53%, a drop of .5 % since yesterday. This is taking in the averages of the Gallup of 52% Rasmussen Reports of 50%, USA/Gallup 54%, CNN 58%, ABC 54% and AP/GFK of 50%.

Good News is that he is not below 50% this week.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:21:16 PM
Good News is that he is not below 50% this week.


Considering the problems President Obama inherited from the past 8 years plus it's amazing that he is at 50% , add to that the lies that have been circulated by many in the republican party and it becomes very clear just how great 50% is, JMHO
 franzen23

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Posted: 9/22/2009 8:01:04 AM
why can't Americans give him a break I think he's trying the best he can and I'm glad he's trying to get health care in America and if the right can just get off his back maybe this country can actually get some things done.
 etourdi77

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Posted: 9/22/2009 2:13:36 PM
Still don't understand why all of these people are giving Obama a free pass, he sold the "Stimulus" plan by saying it would keep unemployment under 8.5% it is over 10% with the actual number being closer to 18%...Health Care is important but keeping people employed is much more important...You are all keeping your eye on the wrong shell, the Pea is under the other one.....Health Care Reform will not provide any new jobs in the near future if at all....His approval will keep going down as long as he ignores the plight of the Unemployed and the soon to be Unemployed...
 imalwayssmiling

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Posted: 9/22/2009 2:51:27 PM
as its already been shown if the current health plan in this country is not changed it will go bankrupt,who really cares if the health reform gains jobs or not,if its bankrupt what good are the new jobs,its as if your eye is on the wrong shell.

As for 8.5% unemployment rate,you act like everything is written in stone,you act like we are not to take into account that the banks are sitting on their hands still,they still are unpatriotic as hell and not lending,Obama cannot be blamed for wall street and others to do there part when given the money,you act as though these numbers are the fault of Obama,as he said we still have atleast another year of many losing their homes and jobs,we knew that from the start he warned us it would be a slow road,and that's also only if the unpatriotic in this country follow the plan,many cities given the money have chose to un-patriotically go against the country and spend the money on what they wanted to,thus wasting money and rendering the plan harder to achieve,not at all Obamas plan was it,gripe at the town hallers and the bad Mayors and Governors and the GOP and the Banks,it should be they that are tar'd and feathered.This halt in health reform at this point is directly the fault of the GOP,they are doing everything they can to not follow Obamas plan,they drag their feet,they protest and all this time keeps people out of work while Obama has to waste more time on the griping,whining GOP,rather than spending more time on job creation,wake up,Health reform saves money.

We are the only country in the world,and the wealthiest at that,that does not cover all their people,Obamas trying but the GOP is trying darn hard to keep us in the dark ages,and ofcourse people like you,well mainly people like you,after all its Congress that listens to you voters,which is the only reason the GOP makes no sense at all,because they aren't using their own minds or good reasoning,their using your fears to get re-elected.

Its true , many do have their eye on the wrong shell,the right shell is Obamas plans,all you others are just wasting precious time by whining and hindering all the works.
 killene

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Posted: 9/22/2009 7:22:46 PM

You are all keeping your eye on the wrong shell, the Pea is under the other one.....Health Care Reform will not provide any new jobs in the near future if at all -


Practically everything thing Obama has brought out so far has been a temporary bandage or something that will not even take effect for years from now. Most of his policies have not been doing anything lasting for our country's current economy now.

Unless you consider higher taxes a way of helping the unemployed, bankrupt companies and families lose of homes.
 EarlzP

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Posted: 9/22/2009 8:25:11 PM

Practically everything thing Obama has brought out so far has been a temporary bandage or something that will not even take effect for years from now. Most of his policies have not been doing anything lasting for our country's current economy now.


Let's see he signed

a stimulus bill that should start to help with unemployment within the next year

he signed a bill extending health insurance to 4 million children

he signed a bill to make preditory lending by credit card companies illegal

he signed a bill giving the FDA control over tobacco

in all he has signed 11 bills since taking office


Unless you consider higher taxes a way of helping the unemployed, bankrupt companies and families lose of homes.


What taxes did he raise? please supply a source.

President Obama's rating's are a direct result of distortionist, people who won't let facts get in their way, people who have an agenda and could care less who gets hurt as long as they can defeat any thing that the present administration purposes.
 jack-d-ripper

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Posted: 9/22/2009 9:49:41 PM
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I remember something about $200 Billion of Small Business and middle class tax (ATM rate) CUTS in the FAILED stimulus bill................

Cigs got a tax hike?

 one eyed jacks

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Posted: 9/22/2009 10:19:32 PM

Unless you consider higher taxes a way of helping the unemployed, bankrupt companies and families lose of homes.


What higher taxes? What are you talking about? You have it mixed up. There was a tax decrease.


Obama focused on the $787 billion stimulus plan, an ambitious package of federal spending and tax cuts designed to revive the economy and save millions of jobs. Most wage-earners will soon see the first paycheck evidence of tax breaks that will total $400 for individuals and $800 for couples.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29231790/

Isn't that what Republicans want? A tax cut? They got it, why did not a single republican support this measure?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us/politics/29obama.html

Maybe it's because they would rather see Obama fail rather than the country thrive.
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