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| How might Extraterrestrial's contact humans ?
Posted: 8/3/2009 5:18:40 AM | "Through anal probing.. it's obvious.. duh..."
I was wondering why the colonoscopy is considered so important. They are using the VA and other hospitals to look for intelligent life, having not seen it on the outside of us. | |
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| How might Extraterrestrial's contact humans ?
Posted: 8/3/2009 5:20:34 AM | Quantum Entanglement.
This is not a theory it's real, they have been able to measure faster than light communication between 2 particles that have become entangled.
A communications device could be built that measures say the spin of a particle.
To put it in simpler terms you do something to 1 particle and it effects it's entangled particle, which could be on the other side of the universe.
I don't see any other way to communicate as everything else seems to be limited by the speed of light, which on a galactic scale is just too slow to even bother. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 6:37:14 AM | This is not a theory it's real, they have been able to measure faster than light communication between 2 particles that have become entangled.
That isn't true. Quantum entanglement does not involve any faster than light communication. Look up the Clauser-Horne-Shimony-Holt inequality. Correlation is not causation. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 7:47:23 AM | The majority of the public are not interested in looking up theories, it's the results of an experiment that interest us. The result of the experiment was that quantum entanglement happens at hundreds of thousands the times the speed of light.
They did an experiment and proved it, that's good enough for me.
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jbogie
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Joined: 9/30/2008
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| How might Extraterrestrial's contact humans ?
Posted: 8/3/2009 8:20:00 AM |
The majority of the public are not interested in looking up theories, it's the results of an experiment that interest us. The result of the experiment was that quantum entanglement happens at hundreds of thousands the times the speed of light.
They did an experiment and proved it, that's good enough for me.
hmmmmm. i'm interested who did the experiment and it's results too? how did you find this proof? can you direct me to your source please? because if you can, i can think of ways for you and i to get filthy rich. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 9:00:36 AM |
hmmmmm. i'm interested who did the experiment and it's results too? how did you find this proof? can you direct me to your source please? because if you can, i can think of ways for you and i to get filthy rich.
Do a google search for speed of quantum entanglement 2008 experiment.
Now more importantly, how are you and I going to get rich, I've got spare cash if you've got the brains. | |
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jbogie
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Joined: 9/30/2008
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| How might Extraterrestrial's contact humans ?
Posted: 8/3/2009 9:19:11 AM |
Do a google search for speed of quantum entanglement 2008 experiment.
google search wasn't necessary but at your suggestion i did it anyway to make sure i hadn't missed anything. if you're talking about physicist nicolas gisin's work entangling two protons, i'm familiar with them, and his results do support particles exeeding the speed of light but they were far from proving the theory. at least he never claimed the theory proven nor has anybody suggested it has as far as i know. quantum theory is just that; theory. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 9:41:28 AM | According to Michio Kaku, they would probably be predators. He based this notion on the fact that we're predatory and we're the most intelligent creatures on this planet. If other intelligent life forms are indeed predatory, then they will be as nice to us as we our to ourselves.
According to Isaac Asimov, extraterrestrials would not arrive in spaceships designed for travel in an atmosphere. The bulk of space travel is done in space, so a spaceship would be designed for a vacuum, not atmospheric conditions.
I find it very unlikely that aliens will visit us randomly. I also seriously doubt they would come here to take our resources. The fact that they would be able to get here indicates they have solved the resources problem.
I'm not sure why aliens would come here, to tell the truth. I just feel it would not be random, and provoked by some reason we may not be able to understand (yet). Unless they needed our help. But if they can get here, then they don't need help. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 12:18:08 PM |
According to Michio Kaku, they would probably be predators. He based this notion on the fact that we're predatory and we're the most intelligent creatures on this planet.
Hard to imagine the good doctor making a statement like that. Talk about speculative assumptions.
I'm not sure why aliens would come here, to tell the truth. I just feel it would not be random, and provoked by some reason we may not be able to understand (yet). Unless they needed our help.
Perhaps because, in the last 50 years, we've become a nuclear nation that's actually USED "the bomb" and we're hell bent on weaponizing space (which of course we are) and now we're in THEIR backyard. I don't think they need our help but I sure think we need theirs.
When they start receiving our TV signals full of "reality" TV, they will then know it is time to send in the exterminators before we spread.
If the "Jerry Springer syndrome" is how we're portrayed "out there", we're in deep s**T no doubt.  but I think they also "get" NPR and Nat Geo so I think we're still viable  | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 1:45:36 PM | Doesn't matter what I believe, but If I were a higher organized form or EBE, I would want to expand and evolve myself. If I could find a way to assimilate other organisms and their billions of years of genetic insights, codes, and transcribing, that is what I would be after. The very fabric of what makes up this particular reality. Now this of course would only pertain to a being in this reality, within these limited physical constraints. But understanding the physics of beings operating at a capacity at least 100,000s of thousands of years beyond our own is simply beyond our own understanding of any means of communication, interaction, and traveling distances which we think exist.
Too many people here are under the notion that humans are just too intellectually inferior, barbaric, and primitive to warrant a species contacting us. Why do we study lower orders of life? Why do we waste our time looking at anebas and bacteria in a microscope? Because we think we can learn something from that information. Many people make efforts to communicate with cats, dogs, gerbals, rats, you name it. Why, who knows, and thats probably why so many do it? They want to know more, and these lower animals may have something we don't. On some level we sense this, ET's may be drawn to us for such similar inklings. It isn't hard to believe ET's would be much different. And that is after all what all of this is, just information, this whole reality, genetics, and the exchange and proliferation of this info. As complex as the information we contain is, we still look to seemingly lesser organisms to help us define and explain our reality and understanding of it. It's not far fetched to postulate that Et's would be a whole lot different in their own persuite of knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 4:00:45 PM | but I think they also "get" NPR and Nat Geo so I think we're still viable
They might just be trying to figure out why we kill & bomb one another, then feel bad & b¡tch about how warlike we are, then kill the guys who suggest we stop, and then start bombing again.
Frankly, I don't know why that should confuse them; it all makes perfect sense to me. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 4:28:55 PM | Or mabeye JustDukky some of them created us in their image (Biblical references, Elohim?) and decided they would see what their enigmatic creation would do? It is a great experiment, not unlike many of the genetic experiments we perform and have on many of the species on the planet. And we have been manipulating and modifying food sources, genetics, and cellular structure thousands of years. The era of Nomadic foraging was greatly minimized when the great civilizations adopted domestication of animals and foods. From then we modified both throughout the millenia.
Is it not far fetched to think that we are the micro version of a macro version which the ET's are using us in the same regard. It seems to be hardwired into our genetics and psyche to manipulate and distort nature unlike most any other animal or creature on the planet to such a drastic degree. If I were an alien, I would endow my creation (Man) with the same attributes as myself. And I would use this science project to collect the information I conditioned it to in order to better evolve myself. I would use my human creation as a puppet and play it to the extreme. Zacharia Sitchin, nah, I'd take it way deeper then that if I were really serious about harvesting what I was really after!
And if you read between the lines, I'm weaving a story much deeper then what I'm implying on the surface. | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 4:41:48 PM | Meh...tomAto tomAHto...It really doesn't make much difference in the long run, because in the long run we are eventually going to see that we ALL spring from ONE Source and are only different manifestations of the same thing. Everything else is an illusion for our entertainment and a lesson for us to learn the Truth (note the capitalization). Once the Truth has manifested, all of us, be they aliens, creatures of higher self from other dimensions, ants, dogs (my personal favorite - unconditional love you know) and people alike are gonna sit down, have some beers and talk about the great play we were in.
Bank on it!  | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 4:54:35 PM |
They might just be trying to figure out why we kill & bomb one another,
I've been trying to figure that one out all my life.
we are eventually going to see that we ALL spring from ONE Source and are only different manifestations of the same thing.
I couldn't agree more. (But make mine coffee...I hate beer) | |
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Posted: 8/3/2009 5:22:16 PM | I would like to think that, but if I were an ET I would have anticipated exaclty what you would have and are thinking is the path to enlightenment. Everything your saying I would have programmed into the psyche of the human race to deceive it. I would have used religion, new age sects, and science to perpetually confuse the human being and keep it in a state of bewilderment.
I would provide them with small aspects of the truth which would confuse and profoundely distort their sense of what they think they could, know, and believe to be.
And just when I've played humanity to think it is on the verge of the "Ultimate" truth to enlightenment, I've just decieved them that much further and confounded and confused them and what their real purpose is in this dimensional spectrum truly is.
Love exists in the matrix, it can be feeled, personified, and has always been felt in this place. This energy is very powerfull as long as it is being conducted and directed to a certain source of energy. As an ET, this is the deception I wove and have, and use this very emotion to decieve the very nature of what people think they are contributing toward.
But what if what I as an ET created was so advanced it was an exact hollographic matrix of the matrix universe? Shit, I'm 100,000's of thousands of years ahead of humans, their just my experiment. I think I am superior and because I have created this place, these are my sheep. Yet I find it disturbing that these sheep are becoming more of a 'God' then I could ever. I have been manipulating them far beyond their known history. Denied them their spiritual truths, prevented them from realizing that they are occupying a completely new space which is more 'individualized' then any dimension ever conceived of over infinate possibilities in other realms.
How the hell do I understand this place they are incarnating in order to experience, because with all that I know and am, I cannot access it myself, only through them. They will never become what I believe I was destined to be, because they are inferior, warelike, and barbaric. Yet I have set up the very circumstances to prevent them from ever knowing what they really are, therefore deceiving myself from the potential that consciousness is demanding in this novelty 3rd dimensional state.
Damn Humans, now I feel like I need to abduct, rape, distort, and take from them everything that they potentially contain. And now you know why we are here.
If I was an ET, this is the scenario I would have anticipated, predicated, known would transpire, and do everything necessary to prevent!
And it goes deeper then this (assuming I was what I think I am) if I was a hypothetical ET entity. Just a taste of what I would use the DMT as to manipulate all of you! A delusion no less, yes, that is exactly what it is! Believe it, that is exactly what your meant to believe! And every spiritual teacher, contacti, or possessed, are just deceptive entities which I have placed into the human psyche to further confuse you as to what you think the truth is and could be.
Deception is everywhere, that is the ultimate mission, remember this. True truth is following what is inside, only there do I have no authority over your reality!
And this is why I say, You are the one you are waiting for. Don't believe anything other than this. And this is what My ET consciousness has been manipulating you and your leaders since before recorded history. I make you feel inferior and deny you what you really are, in order to diminish and prevent the awakening that I see happening within your experimental project.
Just a delusional theory I have. Whether you believe it or not, It could make for one hell of a prophetic book.
Of course none of what I stated is real because none of this is real on an atomic level. So I'm not really lying to anyone. | |
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| How might Extraterrestrial's contact humans ?
Posted: 8/3/2009 7:50:07 PM | I don't know if they'd be "predators", but most likely "top of the food chain" on their homeworld...if they have one.
Perhaps "gypsy travellers"...moving around exploring just for the h3ll of it.
Perhaps advance ships to establish trade, exchange of technology, knowledge and ideas, etc, etc. Perhaps "Holy Rollers"....spreading the "word of god" (their god) in the best way they know how! Much like early missionaries in the Americas.
Lots of ideas out there as to what "first contact" may entail.
As far as "might contact"...I figure they already HAVE contacted us...many times. They just haven't bothered starting with the gov't agencies yet because we are being "studied" yet. This will give them a distinct advantage at the bargaining or diplomatic table. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2009 12:21:17 AM | It's naive to think that earth is the only planet in the universe with "intelligent" life. As living beings who see a sun rise and set day after day we need to dismiss that possibility.
How would "they" contact us? It depends....on a lot of things I suppose. Their stage of development...their motive...and, quite simply, their ability to communicate. If they were an adolescent civilisation similar to us, I'd imagine they'd devote years of their development toward simply sending a massive, powerful radio transmission toward Earth. More than likely, they would have discovered us by listening, just as we do with SETI. One could imagine that simply observing a radio/tv transmission from our planet would be a profoundly impactful event for any society that hoped it wasn't alone.
Aug. 22, 1928:
WGY simulcasts on radio and TV (WGY, 2XAF and 2XAD) Al Smith accepting the Democratic presidential nomination. This was the first over-the-air remote pickup and the first TV news event.
That was almost 81 years ago. That means that every planet within 81 light years would be (with a great amount of difficulty) able to pick up that first broadcast. What would their reaction be? There's life on some planet over that way....
Subsequently, they'd receive more signals...they'd listen more closely. More time would go by....more signals would be received. They'd be able to completely understand us.
As I said earlier in my reply... I think they would send a huge "Hello. We heard you..."
But they'd wait until they thought we were ready.
Now, some people are going to ask...what if they're already here? If that's the case, then they don't want us to know about them yet. So don't worry about it...we're obviously not ready; they would have given us a resounding, blatant greeting if we were. Sit tight...wait...and grow.
They don't want to terrify us. It's the same effect as when Europeans came to America. An advanced culture interacts with a not-so-advanced culture. Result: Bad. | |
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Posted: 8/4/2009 1:52:11 AM | I remember vividly when I witnessed a UFO. It was a cloudless Sunday in the middle of the afternoon not so long ago. In fact, it was actually a couple weeks ago in July. I was lying on the back patio reading Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich and noticed a black speck that was high in altitude hovering in the northwest. I immediately took off my sunglasses and my skepticism triggered at full capacity. I wanted to quickly dismiss it as a floater in my field of vision or some unknown visual abstraction. But I simply could not. I blinked numerous times. But there it was, freely hovering all around the blue sky. It couldn't possibly be some kind of bird given its incredible height of altitude. Plus, I never witness an aircraft such as this particular one maneuvering so fluidly. It flew back and forth, up and down, horizontally, etc. Was it simply a satellite that was visible in the middle of the day? Some kind of new and secret prototype?
The point is whether or not it was indeed an alien ship of some sort, but rather concerning our government. Why must our own government, "For the people, by the people," insist on supressing any evidence involving aliens and UFO's? Why must they presume on how the masses will truly react to such an extraordinary discovery?
I am going to exercise my First Amendment to the fullest here, but is a government worth perserving if its only going to accomodate such a tiny fraction of people (the elite)? Hell, they already scare us on a daily basis with terrorism, food and products that may cause cancer, violent criminal behavior, and warring political ideologies. Will a tiny green man (or thing) put us over the edge?
The general public consensus regarding civic issues is sheer apathy; which is, quite frankly, sad. Seriously, if we're all given an opiate in order to keep quiet, are we truly living life? We are merely hamsters spinning our own individual wheel of capitalism. And believe me, this is totally related.
I'm about as cynical as they come and I truly believe it's all a sham. A true government for the people would disclose any potential discovery of another life form. Why most it be privileged information if they're alledgedly millions of light years away? If they are capable of committing some destruction, surely they would hae done so by now. But that's just my primitive human psyche analyzing.
(Gets a knock on the door by two Fed agents, becomes sedated, and eventually waterboarded.)
GP, rocking out to freedom! | |
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Posted: 8/4/2009 11:31:26 AM | >>>The point is whether or not it was indeed an alien ship of some sort, but rather concerning our government....... insist on supressing any evidence involving aliens and UFO's?
Oh- and you were so close to being credible! You saw something in the sky- you admitted that it doesn't automatically mean its aliens, and questioned why the Government acts to supress people seeing secret technologies in the sky.....
....then you assume there are aliens, and that the Government is supressing the existance of aliens, that thats whats being seen in the skies.....
>>> A true government for the people would disclose any potential discovery of another life form.
And thats my point- you're assuming theres anything to disclose.
Its like me complaining that the Government is keeping the truth about Pixies a secret from the general public- sure, my outrage may be right, and the concept- being angry at Government secrets- is valid- but you're forgetting the very likely situation that they aren't disclosing anything because theres nothing to disclose. | |
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| How might Extraterrestrial's contact humans ?
Posted: 8/5/2009 8:10:52 AM | Its simple, its like the *Prime Directive* in Star Trek, they are forbidden to contact *lower lifeforms*
I will have my Quantum-Tachyon-Dual Phased-Inverter-Particle Rifle™ (in the 1800 watt capacity) handy, just in case they visit and are hostile. | |
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