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| Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/18/2009 3:39:14 AM | Oh, I'm quite sure they're going to try something. I don't trust a one of them any further than I can throw them. The whole thing is so transperent, I don't understand how anyone could buy this pack of crap.
But then I don't understand how anyone can just let Michael Vick go on as if he didn't brutalize a lot of dogs. At least hte Falcons didn't hire him back. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2009 8:54:30 AM | What Vick did was wrong. And I'm also glad that he's no longer a Falcon. But he did pay a significant price for what he did. 2 years in jail. He had to give the Falcons back $16 million of his signing bonus. He lost millions more in endorsements and now instead making over $10 million a year he'll make barely over $1 million. And because of all the money he owes most of that will be taken to pay his debts. The guy is a thug no doubt but to not let him go back to work would punish his creditors more than him. Besides I hate the Eagles anyway so I now have even more reason to pull against them.
Go Falcons !!!! Now we have a real QB !!! | |
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Posted: 8/19/2009 7:57:46 PM | Rather than make over a million... he should bring home 30K and have to live on that.
Working as a water boy!
Also - did you see, the Obama House disconnected the Tattle Tale Hotline. Guess we got tattled on enough, eh??? 
back to topic... saw this and thought it was very clear cut and precise...
Dr. David Kaiser. "Something of historic proportions is happening"
He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College and has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.
Dr. David Kaiser
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening.. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine... And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity.. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla , Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe is more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life.. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... .. .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books..
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me...
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown, Rhode Island
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| Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/19/2009 8:55:23 PM | To start with, please stop lying about Canada and Canadians.
Canadian healthcare has almost universal support, yes people would like to see it improved, but almost no Canadians would ever want to see our government heathcare taken away.
We love our healthcare so much, that a few years ago the CBC had a contest to vote for the greatest Canadians of all time.
When the votes were counted (and there were millions of votes), Tommy Douglas was chosen by Canadians as the greatest Canadian ever.
Tommy Douglas was a politician with a long carreer first being elected to office in 1935. He had a very storied carreer fighting for the people.
But what he is best known for, and why Canadians voted him the greatest Canadian, is because he is the father of Candian Universal Healthcare.
If Canadians did not support our healthcare, we would not have voted Tommy Douglas the greatest Canadian.
Tommy Douglas is also Keifer Sutherland's maternal grandfather. But not many Canadians are well aware of this fact.
http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/top_ten/nominee/douglas-tommy.html
I have lived in Canada my entire life, and I have never met one adult who would like to see Canadian healthcare taken away. Trying to argue this fact by claiming some make-belief Canadians makes you look weak and without a real argument.
Dr. David Kaiser
History Unfolding
More blantent lying. I won't blame the poster for lying, just repeating a lie that she should have known better.
If you had done the smallest amount of research, it would be obvious this was written by a nutcase and not David Kaiser (who is not a doctor, and does not claim to be).
I'll just let a website do the talking on that perticular spam message.
http://snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
From the real Mr. David Kaiser:
The first two sentences, beginning, "For the past thirty years" were of course written by me; the rest of the email was not written by me. Its views are in many ways the opposite of my own.
How many times do these right-wing nutcases need to be proven as liars, before the drones on the right open their eyes.
This is very common on the right. Write some crazy letter that has no real basis in fact, then either make up a fictional expert as the author or claim a real expert wrote it.
No real historian would write the letter above, since it would be a complete embarassment to their reputation.
And comparing the current democrats to the German Nazi Party shows a serious misunderstanding of history, or insanity. | |
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| Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 8/20/2009 3:36:17 AM |
To start with, please stop lying about Canada and Canadians.
Wake up and smell the coffee. I'll repeat what I said earlier that you seem to be determined to ignore.
I have a LOT of friends who live in Canada. FRIENDS... that I've known for a long time; certainly much longer than you've been a member of this forum. They come from all walks of life, from various places in canada...
NONE OF THEM ARE FANS OF YOUR HEALTHCARE!
you are the ONLY Canadian I've heard say something good about it.
This past summer, 60 Minutes, a news show here, did a piece on Canadian Healthcare - how if you NEEDED certain medical proceedures, such as an MRI or other necessary care, you could be on a waiting list for so long, months and months, that those who could AFFORD it came here.
As for the letter... where is it wrong? Why is it an embarassment? Or is it simply an embarassment to YOU and the way you think? Did Hitler NOT exist??? Are many of the programs and the 'changes' he enforced not similar to identical the nobama is pushing???? Are the economic situations between the Germany and the US at this time not similar???
As a UNITED STATES CITIZEN, I would NEVER believed that my government would set up a TATTLE TALE LINE to report your grandmother for espousing a differing opinion!!! There are a LOT of things I would never believe of my government that all of a sudden is happening.
I don't expect you to apologize for your opinion. Don't expect me to apologize for mine. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 6:32:35 AM | Mr Ryan,
Not knowing much about the Canadian Health care system, I did what you suggested and did a little research via Google. The first article that I came across was this one written by the Canadian Press four days ago.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw
Apparently not everyone in Canada agrees with you on your health care system. Now if you want to argue your point please refer to the article and explain why it's wrong. This system may be good enough for you. That is after all your decision as a Canadian. And I would never attempt to tell you what you should or should not do in Canada. After all I'm not a Canadian. But, I'm not sure that I think it's good enough for me. And that is my decision as an American. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 5:20:05 PM | It has come to my attention that the person who was given credit for the article I submitted last night wasn't the person who wrote it. At this point, i don't now WHO wrote it... so I'll change the source to 'Author Unknown'...
I still stand behind what it says.
I'm waiting for them to shut my school down for who knows how long. FLu outbreak and bad. We had 140 kids out at the start of day... and I don't now how many were checked out sick before the end of the day. I had 40 kids out of my classes today ... sheesh. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 6:36:08 PM | It's such a good system that Canadians get sent here for treatment (see link). If Canada doesn't build new facilites because of costs and we can't build new facilities because of Obamacare, maybe Americns and Canadians alike can flock to the alleys and back rooms of Tiajuana for treatment since that will be the only option left in North America.
http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/ | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 7:02:32 PM | Even the new incoming CMA president says the current Canadian Healthcare system MUST be overhauled as it cannot continue in it's present state.
http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2009/08/new-cma-president-anne-doig-urges.html
As she says, everyone wants stuff for free and not pay for it.
Well, you get what you pay for!
I was rather interested in her comments about the patient who would need a hip replacement and how long that patient would wait to be seen by the next specialist and how long they would have to wait to have testing done... | |
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| Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 9/19/2009 11:44:10 AM | Could be a nice vacation ZZZZeeeeeeeeee...we could bring home some swine flu while there...WOW this place has picked up a few fish who should swallow their fins...I see we can't post names...so we can make it a guessing game...
Glad I stopped by...now I know the "few" people I have missed! | |
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Posted: 9/20/2009 9:18:02 AM | Yes Girly... the pond, she is a-changin' and NOT for the good.
I remember when this place was fun and discussions were fun and no one took offense if we disagreed. That's the true definition of being tolerent. Ohwell, there are other places to play and most of my friends know where I can found A LOT! LOL!!!!
Yeah, Canada would be a very nice vacation, and sadly you can catch swine flu down here where I work. Also... a friend of mine lives in St Louis and he told me the St Louis Children's hospital has a 30 - 35% population of canadian children who can't get the care they need up there and it's a consistant population.
ah well.
Right now, I'm trying to find a link to the new 'plan'... thing is from what I'm hearing, hard - core Socialists are pissed because they think it doesn't go far enough and don't want it in its current form and all Republicans and Congressional leaders who are concerned about their jobs because they are listening to their constituents thinks it goes too far and I'm praying the thing fails.
Joe Wilson told the truth - Obama lies!!! | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 8:43:06 PM |
Yes Girly... the pond, she is a-changin' and NOT for the good.
I remember when this place was fun and discussions were fun and no one took offense if we disagreed. That's the true definition of being tolerent. Ohwell, there are other places to play and most of my friends know where I can found A LOT! LOL!!!!
Yeah, Canada would be a very nice vacation, and sadly you can catch swine flu down here where I work. Also... a friend of mine lives in St Louis and he told me the St Louis Children's hospital has a 30 - 35% population of canadian children who can't get the care they need up there and it's a consistant population.
ah well.
Right now, I'm trying to find a link to the new 'plan'... thing is from what I'm hearing, hard - core Socialists are pissed because they think it doesn't go far enough and don't want it in its current form and all Republicans and Congressional leaders who are concerned about their jobs because they are listening to their constituents thinks it goes too far and I'm praying the thing fails.
Joe Wilson told the truth - Obama lies!!!
It's my understanding that the gov't now expects us to pay for our own health care or go to jail. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:00:11 PM |
It's my understanding that the gov't now expects us to pay for our own health care or go to jail. You need a new source of accurate information.You will not go to jail,Obama clearly stated if you were unable to pay for the health plan your required to have thats where the federal help comes in to help you.I'm about sure you'd go to jail,your way sounds very dramatic though,just sayin ! | |
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Posted: 10/10/2009 9:31:28 PM | | Oops,I just noticed your a Georgia only thread so I am restricted to participate here,I got banned for 5 days doing just this same thing last year,Sorry,it was an honest mistake,please accept my apologies,you folks enjoy your weekend ! | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 9:31:43 AM | Don't worry about the roadtripping. A lot here do.
As for the healthcare... no you won't go to jail if you don't buy into it. You'll simply be taxed out the whazoo. For a single person making 34K, expect your premiums to go up over 4000.00. That's over a year of utilities. A family of 4 making under 70K can see their insurance premiums go up over 8000.00. I'm talking the Baucus bill. I can go on. I won't.
Add that to the amount our utilities will go up IF the energy tax is passed and the fact that Pelosi is trying to put her mitts on a lot of people's retirements and they are giving Social Security away to ever Tomas, Ricard, and Jose over here illegally and you'll see we'll ALL end up on the government Welfare Dole.
I NEED a sugar daddy... but I don't want the Government to be my sugar daddy, know what I mean? You know, Joe Wilson was right. Obama lied. | |
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| Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 10/14/2009 7:50:21 AM | You actually start this with: //www.dontvoteobama.net......
Shall I rest my case now or continue!
I'll continue cause I am having so much fun!
Do you actually believe that is a non biased net! Let me explain! They will tell you anything so you "DON"T VOTE OBAMA" furthermore the election was in November 2008! Barack Obama was elected president! He was inaugurated in Jan 2009 - so why would you start this in July 2009 - a mere 8 months late! Face it the "DON'T VOTE OBAMA" net lost! Did you just realize it in July 2009? Where have you been for 8 months! My conclusion is you need to get in the game - stay current - don't dwell on past failures!
I'd also recommend to others- try to stay on topic, no Canada bashing or any other sovereign country bashing, no name calling! I could say more but will stop here! | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 6:15:18 PM | But you didn't stop!!!!! You've dug up every old thread Spacey has started.... Hmmmm... Watch MSNBC much?
first, we're not Canada bashing... we're simply making obvious comparisions... we don't like nationalized health care. We don't like a bunch of nationalized anything. The Government has a tendency to be a crappy business owner and right now, we DO have a bunch of socialists in office.
With Senators and Congressmen on record (yes I've heard them with my own two ears, imagine that) stating that the elderly cost too much to keep on their own two feet, openly embracing a health care plan that will allow 'sick' people to die, thinking most constiuents 'don't care about pork' and a lot of other rather frightening things, it's understandable that we question things. And sadly, as much as you will not like to admit it, many people quesetioning are people who voted for Obama. Many I know are now having second thoughts.
I mean - c'mon.... The White House declares war on Fox Network. Whatever happened to freedom of the press??? Sounds to me like the White House is getting a bit antsy; childish even. The Truth hurts and the truth is is Joe Wilson was right - Obama lies. He does. He swore up and down MY taxes wouldn't go up. Guess what? If all this crap he's shoving down our throats before the next election passes, my taxes will double! HE LIED!
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and I'm sorry a lot of people who bought his bag of tricks are now figuring out and I suspect if we could turn back time and do it over, and the talk I'm seeing on other forums (not just here) is rather eye opening. There is nothing more pitiful than a scared Liberal with his tail tucked between his legs trying to take everything down they can.
Now, here's something for ALL of you to chew on and I'm sure Spacey and Rick can take this bad boy and run...
What the Dems have going for them, is they have the YOUNG in their pockets. I call them 'The Entitlement Generation'... I'm entitled to this, I'm entitled that, you owe me this, I deserve that... and nowhere is a work ethic involved.
Eventually, they are going to grow up - and when they grow up, they're going to think... ooooh. Wait. I EARNED this and I don't WANT to give it to some young punk... they haven't earned it yet.... We're seeing it now in the elderly who don't have children in school, so they don't want to pay taxes for school improvement and building etc... never mind when THEY were in school, the elderly paid for THEM...
So.... so what IF we have nationalized healthcare that is biased towards the elderly... NObama made sure it was in place before we could replace him in 2012. We're systematically abandoning our elderly, who have figured out and replacing them with children who think nothing of giving up the future for something now.
And we're quickly moving to the 60- 65%% tax bracket. Eventually folks, we're going to run out of rich people to rob. Business won't expand and create more jobs because they're either being taxed out the whazoo or the government runs them... and we're going to be the USSR all over again.
I won't tell you anything to keep you from voting Obama in 2012. I'll simply tell you the truth and the truth hurts. Let's be honest... if Bush (either of them) or Reagan openly cavorted with racists. terrorists, stood on a platform of crippling taxes for everyone, openly schemed to destroy the constitution, would they have been elected?
nope. Sure didn't.
Even Colin Powell has openly stated... Son, you're doing this wrong! The British Press have called Nobama a 'pantywaist'... I loved that one... and the paper that called him a pantywaist ISN"T conservative by a long shot.
So there. there it is for what it's worth. I think the Liberals are running scared so they're shooting at any target that moves. At least I know where our resident conspiracy theorist is coming from. | |
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| Obama Supports his Cousin Odinga' Killing of Black Christians
Posted: 10/15/2009 9:02:59 PM | I love it when absolute strangers who have never participated on any of our more fun threads, come in, don't try to get to know our wonderful selves, and then try to tell us how to run our own board!
I told the truth. He drug up every single thread Spacey has posted to poke fun at after this one - after he said he was going to stop. typical Liberal. Hurls insults and can't discuss the facts at all!
I mean, RICK! Even you know when you discuss something, the conversation moves into related fields. how old is this one? I mean, if we stayed totally on the original post, and didn't expand the convo to take in all aspects of the post, our conversation tree would go up like...
I better hush. Someone might complain.
Besides, I'd rather have my BS than his BO. | |
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