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| | football seasonPage 3 of 7 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) | I live in the United States but I never miss a football game when it comes to Liverpool. Even tho I was born and raised in the United States my favorite football team of all time is and will always be LIVERPOOL. They have a really good chance this year in winning the cup and to all the Manchester United fans out there I hope that you do not get mad when LIVERPOOL kicks your butt this year.  | |
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Posted: 8/19/2009 11:40:35 PM |
Compare that with the rest, there's no other team that even comes close.
Which confirms my point which I made earlier and which you refuted:
If you are either Celtic or Rangers, you are playing in the easiest league in the world to win! | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 1:07:00 AM |
Which confirms my point which I made earlier and which you refuted:
If you are either Celtic or Rangers, you are playing in the easiest league in the world to win!
Sorry, but the fact that the other teams in the SPL aren't on a level playing field with Celtic and Rangers does not make it the easiest league in the world to win.
If anyone else made a statement about something being the easiest football league on the planet to win, I'm sure you might ask them to back up their statement with something factual, not pick one sentence out of a long post that you think backs up a statement that you haven't even tried to justify statistically.
I think that is a ridiculous statement and one that you could not possibly back up with facts if you possibly tried.
As for my above statement, on reflection, I'm doing my own team a disservice there, because considering the amount of money at Motherwell's disposal and the fact that the team had to recover from watching their captain die on the pitch in 2007 to go on and get third, the fact that we managed to get 3rd was one hell of an achievement.
Perhaps I'll rephrase what I said to say that, if Motherwell had the same money as Celtic and Rangers in the 2007/2008 season, who knows, we might just have won the "easiest league in the world"
Just because Celtic and Rangers dominate the SPL, doesn't mean it's the easiest league in the world to win. If it were, you could say for certain who was going to win it every year, as it stands you can't.
However a whopping 4 teams have won the Premier League (which I am aware was only founded in 1992) . However if Man United continue winning titles the way they have been, people (not me you understand) might start whispering that it's being dominated by one team. Not two as in Scotland, but one.
And that might just make it a contender for the easiest league in the world to win
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Posted: 8/20/2009 1:16:49 AM |
I think that is a ridiculous statement and one that you could not possibly back up with facts if you possibly tried.
I've no need to- you're doing a sterling (or is that Stirling?) job for me!
Just because Celtic and Rangers dominate the SPL, doesn't mean it's the easiest league in the world to win. If it were, you could say for certain who was going to win it every year, as it stands you can't.
All I said was that if you are either Celtic or Rangers, you have a 50% chance of being Scottish champions.....when was the lat time that neither of them won it?
Sorry, but the fact that the other teams in the SPL aren't on a level playing field with Celtic and Rangers does not make it the easiest league in the world to win.
Er....yes it does if you are either Celtic or Rangers!
Perhaps I'll rephrase what I said to say that, if Motherwell had the same money as Celtic and Rangers in the 2007/2008 season, who knows, we might just have won the "easiest league in the world"
Thereby acknowledging that only two teams currently stand a chance of winning the Scottish title!
As for my above statement, on reflection, I'm doing my own team a disservice there, because considering the amount of money at Motherwell's disposal and the fact that the team had to recover from watching their captain die on the pitch in 2007 to go on and get third, the fact that we managed to get 3rd was one hell of an achievement.
I agree......they finished as high as their finances allowed them to.
If anyone else made a statement about something being the easiest football league on the planet to win, I'm sure you might ask them to back up their statement with something factual, not pick one sentence out of a long post that you think backs up a statement that you haven't even tried to justify statistically.
People are free to quote whichever sections they choose to support their argument.
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Posted: 8/20/2009 1:50:39 AM |
All I said was that if you are either Celtic or Rangers, you have a 50% chance of being Scottish champions.....when was the lat time that neither of them won it?
You actually said this initially
Mighty'???
What's so 'mighty' about a team that finished SECOND in the easiest league in the entire world?
Your comment about Celtic and Rangers came after someone asked you to justify saying what you said initially.
Er....yes it does if you are either Celtic or Rangers!
Which is a bit different from saying that it's the easiest league in the world to win period.
Your comment about Celtic and Rangers came after someone asked you to justify what you had said. And when someone asked you if you knew anything about any other leagues in the world, your answer was you didn't need to. Perhaps when you are debating other issues with people and you ask them to justify what they are saying with some facts/research, you will accept if they tell you that they don't need to because they believe what they have said and that should be enough.
You do need to back up what you are saying with facts or the statement you made cannot be taken as fact. If you think that the SPL is the easiest league in the entire world to win, that gives an assumption that you know that there is no other entire league on the planet that is consistently dominated by one or two teams. You could have said that in your humble opinion, the SPL is the easiest team in the world to win, but you stated that as fact. So why not prove it?
Simply saying that Rangers and Celtic in your opinion have a 50/50 chance of winning the league title every season doesn't mean that it's the easiest league in the world to win. The SPL as it is now, was formed in 1998.
Aberdeen last won the league title in 1984, Dundee Utd in 1982.
But as I said earlier, since the Premiership was formed in 1992 it's been won by a whopping 4 clubs, one of them 11 times. Taking aside the fact that Blackburn Rovers won in 1995, at the moment there are three teams who dominate Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U, a whole one more team in than the SPL.
However on that showing, I wouldn't say that the Premiership is the second easiest league in the world to win unless I wanted to make massive assumptions about every other country who plays competitive football. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 2:15:02 AM |
Your comment about Celtic and Rangers came after someone asked you to justify saying what you said initially.
Yes.....my original staement did not contain any other information considering that I was talking to someone who was crowing about Celtic's 'achievement' last season. I was obviously referring to his team, so there was no need to elaborate.
It turns out I was wrong, so I clarified that stance in a later post - there was no 'period' aspect to my post, as we were discussing Celtic.
If you think that the SPL is the easiest league in the entire world to win, that gives an assumption that you know that there is no other entire league on the planet that is consistently dominated by one or two teams. You could have said that in your humble opinion, the SPL is the easiest team in the world to win, but you stated that as fact. So why not prove it?
Yes, I stated it as a fact, and no-one has provided contrary evidence.
Aberdeen last won the league title in 1984, Dundee Utd in 1982.
So, the two Glasgow teams have been invincible for quarter of a century? Kinda underlines my point!
But as I said earlier, since the Premiership was formed in 1992 it's been won by a whopping 4 clubs, one of them 11 times. Taking aside the fact that Blackburn Rovers won in 1995, at the moment there are three teams who dominate Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U, a whole one more team in than the SPL.
If you include Blackburn (who are still in that league) that doubles the number of teams who can currently win the SPL....does that make the Premiership twice as difficult to win? It STILL makes it harder to win than the SPL for Celtic and Rangers.
Also, didn't Liverpool win the Champions League after finishing lower than second? Doesn't that suggest the depth of quality in England is greater than that of the SPL?
I wouldn't say that the Premiership is the second easiest league in the world to win unless I wanted to make massive assumptions about every other country who plays competitive football.
Your choice, of course.......as was mine! | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 5:58:56 AM |
Yes.....my original staement did not contain any other information considering that I was talking to someone who was crowing about Celtic's 'achievement' last season. I was obviously referring to his team, so there was no need to elaborate.
Actually no, the poster in question doesn't support Celtic. Or particularly have an interest in football. I know this because I asked him.
Yes, I stated it as a fact, and no-one has provided contrary evidence.
Old Firm dominance
One of the main criticisms of the SPL is the dominance of the two Old Firm clubs, Celtic and Rangers. No team outside the Old Firm has won the SPL since it was formed in 1998 and there has only been one season (2005–06) where both clubs failed to occupy first and second positions, with Hearts finishing second behind Celtic.
Whilst this is similar to other European leagues which also have the same clubs dominate the top positions, this problem predates the SPL itself, almost since the beginning of Scottish league football (with a few exceptional periods). Both clubs' average home attendances are significantly higher than the other 10 clubs, resulting in the Old Firm having far greater revenues and therefore more money to spend on players. Both clubs also receive significant revenue from regular participation in the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Cup.
If you include Blackburn (who are still in that league) that doubles the number of teams who can currently win the SPL....does that make the Premiership twice as difficult to win? It STILL makes it harder to win than the SPL for Celtic and Rangers.
But, Celtic and Rangers don't win the league simultaneously do they? I'm sure when Celtic and Rangers are battling for the title they find it hard given how close they run each other. Affectionately known as Helicopter Sunday. I may be wrong but I'm sure the date was 18th May 2006, Celtic only had to beat Motherwell at Fir Park to clinch the league title, the helicopter was on it's way to Fir Park to present Celtic with the league title, it had to turn round when Motherwell won and fly off to Easter Road instead. I'd say it was a hard league to win full stop, because the nature of games in the SPL means that Celtic and Rangers can be flattening teams all season and then start dropping points to wee teams such as.............. Motherwell.
I actually don't disagree with what you've said on that point, its harder to win, but only if you look at it from Celtic and Rangers perspective. Easier for Blackburn to have a go at winning the EPL than Falkirk or Motherwell winning the SPL.
But, if you look at the current stranglehold Man U have on the EPL there's not a lot of difference when it comes to dominating the league compared to Rangers and Celtic up here. If it continues then the EPL is going to be the easiest league in the world (possibly) to win for Man U. Doesn't mean that the quality of the other teams are rubbish though.
Does Liverpool winning the Champions League mean there is more quality than in the SPL, of course, but again, there is money in the EPL than some Scottish clubs could only dream about. I don't expect to see Motherwell win the SPL, but given we were 2nd in 1994, 3rd in 1995 and 3rd 2 seasons ago, it may be more unlikely than me playing in goals for Motherwell, but it could happen.
Your choice, of course.......as was mine!
Indeed, you'll have worked out by now that I don't agree with much of what you said, I'm sure you'll lose no sleep over it. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2009 12:41:06 PM |
Or particularly have an interest in football. I know this because I asked him.
No interest in it, so he started a thread on it?
I seeeee.........thing I'll start one on the joys of making courgette soup....
the poster in question doesn't support Celtic.
Obviously, his sarcasm was lost on me! Odd that, given that I've been bombarded by it for more than a year.....it does explain his riduculous comment about Celtic's 'might', though.....
I'm sure you'll lose no sleep over it.
We agree on that.
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Posted: 8/21/2009 5:59:10 AM | Premiership Manchester United (again!) sorry I am not Man Utd supporter but they are still the team to beat and know how to win championships.
Chelsea will be runners up with Arsenal third and Liverpool fourth. As much as Manchester City have spent it wont be enough to make a title or top 4 challenge just yet.
The Championship West Brom to be champions, a team that is like Bolton of old up and down like a yoyo. Middlesbrough runners up. Play-Offs will be Newcastle, Bristol City, Cardiff City and Sheffield United.
League One Leeds United to be champions, they will finally get it right. Charlton will be runners up. Play-Offs will be my beloved Millwall, Huddersfield, Colchester and MK Dons.
League Two Notts County to be champions with Cheltenham as runners up and Lincoln City third. Play-Offs will be Dagenham & Redbridge, Crewe, Northampton and Rochdale.
FA Cup Manchester City Winners
League Cup Liverpool Winners
Champions League Barcelona will make history and retain.
Europa League Hamburg Winners.
SPL Celtic (ohhh how exciting is this league??!!) Rangers to be runners up as usual.
Scottish Cup Celtic Winners
Scottish League Cup Aberdeen Winners. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2009 8:04:16 AM | Crikey Del-Boy an impressive list have you got too much pare time!
Think you know your stuff agree with most of that except Celtic and Rangers wrong way round, oh crikey shouldn't have mentioned the Scottish pair, I thought only people allowed to mention them were ZEE "that threads been done before" GARY, and Pauline lol only joking you two.  | |
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Posted: 8/21/2009 9:42:41 AM |
Crikey Del-Boy an impressive list have you got too much pare time!
Think you know your stuff agree with most of that except Celtic and Rangers wrong way round, oh crikey shouldn't have mentioned the Scottish pair, I thought only people allowed to mention them were ZEE "that threads been done before" GARY, and Pauline lol only joking you two.
Mate ive been watching football for years ever since I could stand up and walk!! And no your wrong Celtic will win title cos they are a better team than Rangers - last year Celtic just threw away the league - everyone knows the worst team ever won the SPL.
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Posted: 8/21/2009 9:57:37 AM |
SPL Celtic (ohhh how exciting is this league??!!) Rangers to be runners up as usual.
I think he meant that you said that Rangers were to be runners up as usual. They weren't runners up last year. Plus, didn't Celtic also lose the league on the last day in 2005?
I don't think teams throw away the league, the league is won or lost over the entire season,
As for who is the better team, until one of the teams goes on another nine or ten in a row winning streak, there won't ever be much to choose between them.
Scottish League Cup Aberdeen Winners.
If they get rid of Mark "master of tactics" McGhee and his sidekick Leitch possibly.
Aberdeen are skint, they have little money to spend and even the sale of their best assets won't be ploughed back into the transfer market.
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Posted: 8/21/2009 10:59:12 AM | When I said as usual I shoulda worded it better by elaboarting more on fact its always just Celtic and Rangers 1st and 2nd. If you don't call losing league on last day throwing away title what do you call it????
Now come on everyone knows the worst team won the title last year - even Rangers fans say it.
I don't personally like Mark McGhee as he managed my team few years back but I think he will take em on a little cup run. True Aberdeen are skint but isn't Rangers skint too and they are the reigning champions??!! In Scotland it does not matter at the minute of being skint as the quality of the leagues and cups are so poor. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2009 11:10:16 AM | I disagree. Mark McGhee had a fantastic first season with Motherwell but last season, when things were going wrong,injuries suspensions etc, week in week out, his tactics were baffling. Would he change them, no. 7 games on the trot we lost. Playing people in really odd positions was his speciality.
He's also master of the, I'm going to bring in a heap of new signings, like where?
He didn't do it for us last season, he's not doing anything at Aberdeen just now.
People watching the Aberdeen game last week made comment about how unfit the players seemed and how uninterested they were.
Cups are more likely to provide shocks than in the league but it's generally teams lower down in the league such as Falkirk, or your first division teams who are known for springing a surprise.
I may eat my words yet but I don't see this new revolution at Aberdeen that everyone's going on about. Plus, I think the minute that the going gets tough, as per, Mark McGhee will be offski.
I'm 100 times happier with Motherwell's new manager, not only can he talk the talk, it looks like he backs up the talk with some action as well.
I don't think the quality of the league in Scotland is poor at all, yes the Old Firm dominate but I've seen some cracking football matches in the time I've been going to watch football and given that it's 22 years now and no one forces me along to watch it, if there were no entertainment value I'd bugger off and do something else instead.
The game I saw last week at McDiarmid was one of the best football matches I've seen in a very long time. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2009 11:00:47 AM |
I don't think the quality of the league in Scotland is poor at all, yes the Old Firm dominate but I've seen some cracking football matches in the time I've been going to watch football and given that it's 22 years now and no one forces me along to watch it, if there were no entertainment value I'd bugger off and do something else instead.
You don't think quality of Scottish league is poor??? then why are there no BIG name players in SPL? cos its rubbish!! standard of football is that of League One & Two!! The 2nd best team of last year could not beat the 4th best English team that many have supposingly written off this year but I believe actually they will shick a few by finishing third.
There are no decent Scottish players except for James McFadden who I do think is a quality player and I am baffled why he was left on bench against Norway!! Shaun Maloney could not cut it in the Premiership, Barry Ferguson could not cut it first time round with Blackburn and will do nothin this time round with Birmingham. The SPL needs scrapping and Scottish clubs join English game to raise the standards and help the national side.
Ok to tone this post down I am going to say fair play to you that you go to games and rightly so no one forces you to go. This post is simply my opinion and opinion of few of my friends who are also Scottish. But I respect your post and opinion so lets say we aqree to disagree | |
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Posted: 8/22/2009 1:00:14 PM | If you think that the SPL is the easiest league in the entire world to win, that gives an assumption that you know that there is no other entire league on the planet that is consistently dominated by one or two teams. You could have said that in your humble opinion, the SPL is the easiest team in the world to win, but you stated that as fact. So why not prove it?
Yes, I stated it as a fact, and no-one has provided contrary evidence.
Rosenborg's domestic title streak of 13 consecutive wins is second in the world only to the 14-year streak of Skonto Riga of Latvia, their runs both ending in 2005.
I would suggest both the Norwegian and Latvian leagues are easier to win providing of course your the team with the largest fan base and greatest financial clout, rather similar to every league in the world, Aberdeen and Dundee would argue that that the Scottish top flight is very hard to win considering they haven't come close for quarter of century and if it was so easy why do they not just pump some money in and win it, reward of champions league football should justify the expense?
Lyon - France just lost first title in 8 years
Real Barca - Spian - with one solitary win for 3 teams beyond the big two for the past 30 years.
Porto Sporting Benfica - Portugal 71 league titles between them
Juve, AC Milan Inter - Italy
all pretty much dominated by only a few teams. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2009 1:02:14 PM | Today we scored our first goal of the season....
We all got rather excited about it.
Next plan of action is to stop them flying in the other end. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2009 1:08:04 PM | Plenty of decent Scots players, Motherwell has a team, average age of 22. Beat Killie 3-1 today.
Faddy, great player, but by no means the only one.
If you think there is no talent in the SPL you are sadly mistaken.
And if you love your football and support a Scottish team, why is it such a hardship. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2009 1:53:25 PM | | i hate football..over paid poofs..but id like to see liverpool and leeds utd in the fa cup final..7 nil to liverpool..then that would keep zgary quiet for 12 months or so about football.. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:13:46 AM | zedhead
as the supporters are seriously pissed off at mo.esp after a 7-1 hiding last night.what an embarresment i was hopeing russell slade left the team up there to make there own way home and dont pay them this week as they dont deserve it It WAS a great game though - well for us anyway! | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 1:38:27 PM |
Plenty of decent Scots players, Motherwell has a team, average age of 22. Beat Killie 3-1 today.
Faddy, great player, but by no means the only one.
If you think there is no talent in the SPL you are sadly mistaken.
And if you love your football and support a Scottish team, why is it such a hardship.
Plenty of decent Scots players??? .... where?? Scotland got humped 4-0 by Norway recently which suggests all is not good quality wise. Ross McCormick is a talented player and I reckon in that game against Norway it should have been Miller taken off not McCormick as he is netting well for Cardiff City. Kenny Miller is totally overrated that even Derby County didnt want him!!
I assume you support Motherwell, fair play to you for being a true supporter and not being sheep like lot of Scots and following either Rangers or Celtic. But please tell me which player is capable of setting the Premiership alight or indeed the international stage?? cos if there is one for god sake let George Burley know cos he's stumped!!!
I love my football although its not easy watching my team year in year out Millwall, they gave me heartbreak in May by losing at Wembley in Play Off Final. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 1:45:35 PM | | i watched a decent SPL game today, hearts v rangers, rangers have a fella on the left scott smith i think he was called, little blonde chap, could be a player. Kris Burke played for cardiff today, set up all 3 goals and played well. They are out there, you just got to look for the individuals not the teams, its not all about the premiership. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 1:53:06 PM | Manchester United were completely outplayed in the Champions league final and the midfield was overrun as it was unbalanced and allowed Iniesta, Xavi and Messi to dominate. Why was the midfield so ineffectual...that's right they were missing that rubbish Scottish player Darren Fletcher.
John Fleck has a huge future and is only 17 and there are plenty others. The population of Scotland is small and they do well to have a league at all let alone to get a team to UEFA cup finals and even previously European Champions, before even an English Club. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 1:58:29 PM | | is he the son of robert fleck............ how you know when your getting old when the kids of the guys you were in the playground start coming through!! | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:02:14 PM |
Rosenborg's domestic title streak of 13 consecutive wins is second in the world
Since then, Rosenburg have won the title once, and failed to finish in the top three in the other three seasons. Only two teams have finished more than once in the top three in the seasons since Rosenburg's run ended.
So, at the moment, the Norwegian title is open to all contenders!
but id like to see liverpool and leeds utd in the fa cup final..
So would I.....it would mean that pile of 3rd Division rubbish had actually managed to win a Cup semi-final......hasn't happened since 1996.
7 nil to liverpool..then that would keep zgary quiet for 12 months or so about football.
Hardly! It would give me something else to moan about other than my broken heart - my mates are sick of hearing about it!
i was hopeing russell slade left the team up there to make there own way home and dont pay them this week as they dont deserve it
Take heart - 9 Albion players did OK against 10 Stockport men......
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