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Posted: 8/23/2009 2:44:40 PM |
Manchester United were completely outplayed in the Champions league final and the midfield was overrun as it was unbalanced and allowed Iniesta, Xavi and Messi to dominate. Why was the midfield so ineffectual...that's right they were missing that rubbish Scottish player Darren Fletcher.
Same Darren Fletcher that missed an open goal yesterday against Wigan from not even 5 yards out??? And incidentally regarding your last sentence - 2 teams have won the Champions League from England in last 10 years - Manchester United and Liverpool, with also Arsenal and Chelsea making the finals respectively. Hell even Middlesbrough made UEFA Cup final one year! Hmmm.... if that doesn nto state the English game is FAR superior to the Scottish I dont know what does?!!! How many times have Scotland made the Knockout stages of a major international tournament? that would be none!! Scotland HAD good players in the past with the great Denis Law, Kenny Dalgliesh to name just two who in my opinion are in top 10 of all time great British players. Look at your national side now, see if Hargreaves was fit Fletcher would be on the bench for Man Utd - FACT!
I'll say it again your best player is James McFadden who was left on bench against Norway stupidly!!! he is your Kaka! Kris Commons is crap!! end of!! Kenny Miller is crap!! doesnt score enough goals, ok at holding a ball but thats it.
My point is and I said earlier in order to produce the very best from Scottish players they need the bigger challenges week in week out rather than playing Hamilton Accies - sorry Hamilton fans but your team is powder puff and wouldnt cut it in League Two let alone English Premiership! Scottish SPL needs scrapping and teams to join English game where some of worlds big players are.
Scotland produce great managers not players now! | |
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Posted: 8/23/2009 3:08:28 PM | Whoa - I am Irish and definitely not Scottish, Aiden McGready is the best player in Scotland at the moment and is Irish. The Premiership is far superior than the SPL and misunderstand my points completely.
darren Fletcher has established himself as an integral part of Uniteds midfield and played in all the big games for them last season and has improved immensely in the last two years to be a truly great midfielder. Fletcher would be in the team over Hargreaves even if he was fit, rumours he may have retire?
I was just making the point that there are good, very good scottish players and Fletcher was one of them and was important part of the best team in England last year.
Too compare Scotland and England as football entities is crazy, one has a population of 5m compared to 68m and they do very well to be 24 in the world rankings. They have produced some excellent players for such a small country.
If Rangers and Celtic were allowed to join the Premiership they would be challenging at the very top within 5 years such as the support is and the extra finance and investment that would be involved by competing in the Premiership. I watch Italian, Spanish and English football and the Premiership is the best in the world.
For Rangers and Celtic to even have any success in Europe is a huge deal as they are minnows of European football due to the lack of money and competition and I was just pointing out they had tasted success before Manchester United and Liverpool, Villa or Forrest. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2009 11:24:08 PM | It was good to see the gulf between the PL and the SPL as exhibited by Arsenal's victory over Celtic. Remember that Arsenal last season were a shadow of their former selves.
The scenes around Upton Park were a disgrace the other night. Some reports said that trouble occurred otside the ground whilst the match was taking place - does that mean that some Millwall 'fans' came along with no intention of entering the ground? Shame on them!
I'll be in the FHT at some point this weekend, and a few Millwall fans will be there - I'm sure they'll be just as upset at what happened as the rest of us.
On the 'bright' side, Millwall have a potentially 'easy' game against BHA, but will the extra-time they played have an effect on their stamina? I hope so!
Leeds finally overcame Watford to get through to the 3rd round of the League Cup. Old Trafford, anyone?
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Posted: 8/28/2009 6:31:19 AM | does that mean that some Millwall 'fans' came along with no intention of entering the ground? Shame on them!
Yes around 500 Millwall "fans" turned up at Upton Park without any tickets for the game
with the sole intent on just causing trouble but I bet they wish they had stayed at home now.
From what I understand they took one hell of a beating and not just from the old bill.
Going back to Arsenal's win against Celtic on Wednesday night and the Eduardo dive....
UEFA have charged the Croatian striker with deceiving the Referee and he could be banned
Does anyone think the Arsenal striker is a diving cheat and should be made an example of? | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 9:32:02 AM | | Hams we need a world cup 2010 thread set up..time to go global again | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 10:22:44 AM |
Does anyone think the Arsenal striker is a diving cheat and should be made an example of? Yes definately. A complete dive, and his facial expressions said it all when he hoodwinked the referee and was awarded a penalty. He had a sly smile, as if "I've blagged it". An example of why we should have a play back system set up, to prevent similar situations like this occuring, but thats a different thread. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 12:37:35 PM | Football violence has never disappeared but arranged better so off the beaten track and the only people involved are those who are doing the rucking and it is well organised and has 'rules' and though I don't condone it it is far better than the past and the alternative.
The scenes at West Ham though where a disgrace and a revert to the past and has been rightly condemned and lets hope it is one off.
The sad thing is it tarnishes football and the incidents had little to do with football and the Millwall fans turned up without tickets with one sole purpose and that was to cause trouble, why did the police not act sooner? The incidents in the ground were more minor but pitch invading has to be stopped, The West Ham fans ran on whilst the stewards held the Millwall fans back and did a good job but the West Ham fans just helped to vreate the negative atmosphere.
I feel sorry for Eduardo, yes he cheated and that is despicable, he is being made a scapegoat and an example made off. Diving has been a growing part of the game for years and I would suggest taught by teams to go down in the box at the slightest touch in the hope of a penalty. FIFA, UEFA or the FA each year have initiatives for the year to improve the game and we all know about the respect campaign from last year and if they had a campaign to stamp out simulation then I would support the decision to charge Eduardo but they didn't. Why charge Eduardo when there must be loads of cases of it that go unreported in games?
Good though to see Eduardo back and playing well. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 1:10:02 PM |
Does anyone think the Arsenal striker is a diving cheat and should be made an example of?
Yes he should be made an example of, same goes for every single premiership player that takes a dive in the future.
I stand by this, but Ronaldo and Drogba should've been given lengthy basns last season for their carry on.
They got away with it for too long, and now others are clearly following their lead.
Like rugby matches, the officials should be allowed to stop a game, rewind the coverage, and let the officials determine whether it was a dive or not.
It works in rugby, so i cant see why it cant work in the premiership.
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Posted: 8/28/2009 3:11:03 PM |
Yes he should be made an example of, same goes for every single premiership player that takes a dive in the future.
I stand by this, but Ronaldo and Drogba should've been given lengthy basns last season for their carry on.
Drogba's cheating skills were spotted in 2006 by a very astute site member:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts3787200.aspx
"You'll all have noticed the recent antics and admissions by this giant amonst cheats - Chelsea's Drogba. He seems proud of the way that he cheats to score and gets his opponents punished for doing nothing more than running near him. Unfortunately, he is not alone."
I'm glad Eduardo has been cited - it was never a foul in a million years, and it effectively killed off the tie, although Celtic were piss-poor as usual.
Yes around 500 Millwall "fans" turned up at Upton Park without any tickets for the game with the sole intent on just causing trouble but I bet they wish they had stayed at home now.
So, who were they fighting with outside the ground during the game? The local kebab shop owners?
On the 'bright' side, Millwall have a potentially 'easy' game against BHA, but will the extra-time they played have an effect on their stamina? I hope so!
Excellent result for BHA against Millwall - a point is better than nothing! | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 3:41:40 PM | Eduardo isn't the worst diver and it is wrong that he is being vilified when it is a big part of the game and find it strange that simulation or conning the ref has been around so long and never really dealt with retrospectively with video evidence that Eduardo's case instantly is?
The incident should of started the debate and made it clear to team, managers, players and fans that any player found guilty of simulation would receive a two match ban and that video evidence would be used.
So, who were they fighting with outside the ground during the game? The local kebab shop owners?
Who says they were fighting anyone and may just of been waiting till after and watching the game in a local pub specified for away fans?
Or they may of been fighting West Ham fans without tickets?
All we know for certain was there was trouble after and in the ground and everything else is speculation. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 4:00:45 PM |
Who says they were fighting anyone
The Guardian, for a start:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/25/trouble-reported-west-ham-millwall
"A spokesman for Metropolitan police said more officers were being rushed to the scene outside Upton Park, in east London. "There is large-scale trouble involving hundreds of fans which we are dealing with at the moment," he added."
"Builder Peter Simpson, 35, from Southend, Essex, said the clashes were between rival football fans."
Or they may of been fighting West Ham fans without tickets?
I'm sorry that my sarcasm appears to have been lost on you! Of course they were fighting with West Ham fans outside the ground! The other poster didn't seem that keen to accept that any Hammers fans were involved.
Eduardo isn't the worst diver and it is wrong that he is being vilified when it is a big part of the game
His was the first major incident of this kind this season - that's why he's under attack for it. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 4:12:50 PM | Wasnt the OPs question
well girls and boys that's the football season started.....
champions league qualifiers.....
who going to win this season?
any chance of the mighty glasgow celtic over turning the shocking o-1 result last night to dinamo moscow
Forget the Millwall/Westham incident..........lets concentrate on the premiership, and get back talking about the priemership!
champions league qualifiers.....
Man Ure
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man City (hopefully)!
who going to win this season?
Manchester without a boubt, whether it be man city or man ure, its a close one! | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 4:19:37 PM |
I assume you support Motherwell, fair play to you for being a true supporter and not being sheep like lot of Scots and following either Rangers or Celtic. But please tell me which player is capable of setting the Premiership alight or indeed the international stage?? cos if there is one for god sake let George Burley know cos he's stumped!!!
You assume right. Why don't you come to Fir Park and see the quality of the young players we have.
As for Hamilton Accies, not my favourite team, but some incredible young players.
They should be applauded. As for setting the premiership alight or indeed the international stage, he may not be to everyone's taste but McFadden came through the youth set up at Motherwell, McCormack caught the eye of people down south. Porter after a season at well also moved on, as has Clarkson, Smith, Hughes. The SPL and the Premiership aren't like for like, but anyone who says the SPL don't have quality players is in my view talking out of their arse.
If they were that shit, no one would go near them. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 4:42:49 PM |
As for Hamilton Accies, not my favourite team, but some incredible young players.
They should be applauded. As for setting the premiership alight or indeed the international stage, he may not be to everyone's taste but McFadden came through the youth set up at Motherwell, McCormack caught the eye of people down south. Porter after a season at well also moved on, as has Clarkson, Smith, Hughes. The SPL and the Premiership aren't like for like, but anyone who says the SPL don't have quality players is in my view talking out of their arse.
Who??????
C'mon woman, but who are you talking about???? | |
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Posted: 8/28/2009 4:46:47 PM |
C'mon woman, but who are you talking about????
It's very simple. If you don't like Scottish football, don't watch it. I was responding to someone who seems to know something about the SPL.
I think it's quite plain who I was talking about and most people down south do know who James McFadden is whether they like him or not.
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Posted: 8/29/2009 4:50:52 AM |
Whoa - I am Irish and definitely not Scottish, Aiden McGready is the best player in Scotland at the moment and is Irish.
He has Irish grandparents and plays his international football with the ROI but he is definitely Scottish. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 8:58:21 AM |
He has Irish grandparents and plays his international football with the ROI but he is definitely Scottish.
I had always known that he was born in Scotland but place of birth and where you were brought up as far as I am concerned has only a bit to do with your Nationality and thought his links with Ireland were greater than they actually are. It is only Grandparents on his father side that are Irish and is the son of a Scottish International and concur with you completely you that he is Scottish and thankful he plays for Ireland as he is undoubted talent. It seem though the only reason for not playing for Scotland now was that he was involved with Ireland since schoolboys level and continued through to the National side and if Celtic allowed him to play for Scotland schoolboys it would of been a different story. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2009 4:30:47 PM |
Does anyone think the Arsenal striker is a diving cheat and should be made an example of?
and celtic should be made an example for impersonating a football team. | |
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Posted: 8/31/2009 2:25:39 PM | well colin,
oi reckon old blackpool tangerines have the team spirit to beat the barcodes at bloomfield road, they won't understand the ground, only having two and a half stands, and our home support is louder than the vulcan. (not spock btw). | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 11:45:51 AM | It'll be just like the old times at Elland Road this month!
Leeds have drawn Liverpool in the next round of the Carling Cup.
It's very much a win-win for Leeds, as if they lose, it'll be a case of a premiership team beating third-division rubbish, and if they won.....
Don't really care about the result, as promotion is the goal this season, but it would be good if we gave them a game, especially as they might be fielding a weakened team. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 1:23:23 PM | what would they do if westham and millwall got into the fa cup final i know its a long shot but you couldnt play the fa cup final behind closed doors
at upton park there wasnt enough old bill on duty most of the people outside were old westham boys from the 70s and 80s who dont go that much now anyway so how can you ban them every one knew there would be a tear up its been coming for a long time to put it simply the two teams supporters hate each over and always will | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:03:30 PM | Everyone knows I am a rugby girl (before the footie fans start shouting) BUT I do read the newspapers. It seems the off-pitch agenda at the West Ham/Millwall game was being discussed, debated and directed as soon as the fixture was announced. IMO this behaviour has nothing to do with sport or the passion of following sport. As usual a few (or more than a few) bad apples have spoiled whatever the saying is that they spoil.
Having sat with rival fans at rugby matches, I know you can be passionate about your team but not want to hurt the oppositions fans.
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Posted: 9/1/2009 2:37:18 PM | Kitten, I sat in Stade de Francais with (alot) of french supporters one year and had a magnificent time, then invited my brother in law to Cardiff when Tigers were stuffed by Brive. On both occasions we had great weekends, not just a few hours.]
I have also followed Tigers across the uk to their most bitter rivals (Bath, Gloucester, Wasps, etc) and never seen any trouble, yes, been covered in beer more than once but , hey!!
Rugby has a camaraderie and love of the game, amongst fans that crosses boundaries of club or country and means that the tours of nations or lions/baa baas are festivals , not friction points.
I am a Blackpool supporter too, but know there are certain games and clubs which I would not attend any more, especially with my daughter. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2009 2:24:18 AM | | Nothing will ever turn me from a football fan to a rugby fan, but I do wish football fans were more like rugby fans. | |
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