jbogie
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 8/5/2009 9:04:34 PM |
considering we have less freedom now then we did say during the 1920s I would say we are not free the only difference the drugs are around now and they were not widely available then or people would have been doing them
what freedoms did we have in the twenties that we don't have now? women couldn't even vote in 1920. they must feel quite a bit freer huh? the only difference between now and then were drugs??? | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 8/8/2009 9:15:35 AM | Freedom is just an illusion here. We are all numbers
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We can be traced at anytime,and anywhere.
Now unlike some communities here who have filed their UCC-1 and regained their soveriegnty,THEY ARE FREE, Free from these rules,regulations and exoteric laws.
Redemption Law*-Contains the esoteric laws that are purposely being withheld from us. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 8/14/2009 7:16:51 PM | Let's ban vacation while we're banning drugs because they both lead to lack of productivity. Let's also use union taxes and lobbyists to endorse our government into spending more money building prisons and fighting the drug war because our prison guards don't wanna lose jobs!
There's the whole "save the children" argument but I'd like to assume children witnessing heroin users wasting themselves into nothingness will do a lot better of showing why not to do drugs than mysterious information that turns into a teenager's hype.
Let Darwinism do its work to drug users. Let the government tax all the illegal drugs as well, so Johnny the Crack Dealer's little sister doesn't get shot over a customer upset because of the quality of his drug. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/15/2009 10:25:06 AM | I think North Americans mostly are brainwashed into thinking and actually believing it IS the land of the free..
I find this funny.
North Americans are made to believe the quality of life actually is superior to the rest of the world.
As a guy born and raised in Holland, Europe it strikes me how narrow life is in North America.. people are tricked into having a sense of choice...
I seriously believe that someone in a village in let's say Gambia has def. more freedom compared to western based fourth reich inhabitants.. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/15/2009 1:14:34 PM | People generally fall into a groove no matter how many freedoms they are afforded by government or otherwise, and form their own little personal prisons. You spend your adolescence/early adulthood trying to find identity, and the rest of your life trying to adhere to it. Then when people find themselves I'll equiped to climb out of their groove, they blame external influences for coercing them into it. Given enough time, perceverence, and the ability to find yourself at fault for your own limitations, anyone can however overcome their own cliche.
as for the OP's question, no. I think excess of resources leads to an excess of expenditure. Artificial limitation does not prohibit it either, it just makes it criminal when it inevitably happens. Then we are like 'oh why do we do drugs blah blah blah'. Because they are there. Legal limitation of it does not prevent it from occuring. It just amplifies the negative impact it has on people who get caught doing it. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/16/2009 12:58:12 AM | | Freedom is the ability to see your way through the maze. And in the USA and Canada this is getting increasingly harder to navigate. I define freedom as the ability to make your way to old age without the fear of starving. We are not there yet. Unfortunately we are slowly and inexorably working our way to destroying the good we have achieved. We are NOT too free. We have a duty to maintain the dignity that has been afforded many of our citizens. We have a duty to maintain the dignity of a roof over our heads, a chicken in our pot and shoes on our feet. Anything else is just plain awful and not worth living. amen. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/17/2009 12:00:24 AM | America - with the exception of the Wild West period, and even that was exagerated - has never been "free" in the absolute sense of the word. If you think America is a "free" country you haven't travelled enough - at least in any meaningful way. Lip off to next cop you see and see how "free" you are.
Right to protest? Sure you can protest the president so long as it's at least a mile away from where he is.
I could go on and cite countless examples of just how unfree Anerica is, but what's the point? The only people who ever say America is " too free" are right-wing kooks who love to cheerlead about the "land of the free" untill someone says something they don't like, than it's all of a sudden "too free". Conservatives are anti-freedom by their very nature. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/17/2009 7:15:07 PM | | What better way to keep slaves than to make them think they are free? I own a house that was paid for the day I bought it. If I miss paying my "property taxes" the state will lein it and they can take it from me at some point in time. Now ask yourself, is that freedom. Do I really own my property or not? If you think we are too free then feel free to move to China, we are not free enough as far as I am concerned. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/17/2009 8:03:10 PM | | No we're not really free. I do think there is a confusion on what freedom means in this country. The materialistic, and sexual perversion of our society has made us loose focus, on the important matters effecting our commuinites. Before I get hit for being a bible thumper or something simmular, I'm a sexual libertarian in asmuch, as it stay within the privacy of your home. I don't want to take it off topic so I will leave it there. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/20/2009 2:14:08 PM |
I own a house that was paid for the day I bought it. If I miss paying my "property taxes" the state will lein it and they can take it from me at some point in time.
Ten to one your title says "tenant" instead of "owner" or "proprietor". You now have to ask yourself how you can be a tenant in a place you own. Then ask yourself: "if I'm the tenant, who's the landlord?" Then ask yourself what you paid all that money for if you can't actually own it.
Simple fact: You can't be taxed on your own property if you have allodial (complete) title to it.
If you pay taxes, you are paying them as a tenant on land to which the government has true title, so even though you are called the "owner", you really aren't! If you think that's bad news, the truth is that you don't own anything you think you do! They just let you think so until they decide they want it (like to pay toward the national debt, as they did in 1934, when Roosevelt forced everyone to turn in their "privately owned" gold.)
as far as I'm aware, there are only a few plots of land in Texas to which an American can get allodial title. The rest of it belongs to the government (or more accurately, their creditors). | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/20/2009 2:48:51 PM | RE Msg: 65 by JustDukky:
I own a house that was paid for the day I bought it. If I miss paying my "property taxes" the state will lein it and they can take it from me at some point in time. Ten to one your title says "tenant" instead of "owner" or "proprietor". You now have to ask yourself how you can be a tenant in a place you own. Then ask yourself: "if I'm the tenant, who's the landlord?" Then ask yourself what you paid all that money for if you can't actually own it. Simple fact: You can't be taxed on your own property if you have allodial (complete) title to it.
as far as I'm aware, there are only a few plots of land in Texas to which an American can get allodial title. The rest of it belongs to the government (or more accurately, their creditors). Even with property that is called "allodial property", such as educational institutions, or Native American reservations, the property is only granted tax-free status for the purposes with which the property is expected to be used, such as education, or the right of a people to live on their own land, which are both considered to be rights which demand autonomy. However, if these places cease to use the property in the ways in which they were granted to be autonomous, then they can be reclaimed by the state or country in which they were issued. Even the allodial land in Nevada and Texas carries conditions, and can be reclaimed by the state, such as if the land was used for criminal purposes. So even allodial property is not truly your own, but conditionally granted.
If you pay taxes, you are paying them as a tenant on land to which the government has true title, so even though you are called the "owner", you really aren't! The only real way to own your own land, is to buy/take-over a piece of land which is in international waters, and to form your own micronation, like the Principality of Sealand.
If you think that's bad news, the truth is that you don't own anything you think you do! They just let you think so until they decide they want it (like to pay toward the national debt, as they did in 1934, when Roosevelt forced everyone to turn in their "privately owned" gold.) Not just that. You don't even own your money. Think about what happens when a government prints money of its own currency, "inflation". Say the total amount of USD is $100 trillion. If the US government requires another $100 trillion, then it could get the Fed to print it. But then there are $200 trillion which have the same value as the old $100 trillion. So $2 is now worth what $1 was worth. However, because the US government now has printed half, they now have $50 trillion of old USD, and everyone with dollars now has only $50 trillion of old money, when they used to have $100 trillion. Effectively they've just taxed Americans for half their worth, what might be called a stealth tax on your money. Inflation has to be the sneakiest tax I've ever heard of. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/20/2009 3:56:23 PM |
Then ask yourself: "if I'm the tenant, who's the landlord?" Then ask yourself what you paid all that money for if you can't actually own it.
I actually thought the bank in question owns it. If the government does actually seize the property for whatever reason, they seize it from the bank, which seizes it from the "tenant."
If not, where do the banks fit in to all this? | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/20/2009 3:59:29 PM |
Effectively they've just taxed Americans for half their worth, what might be called a stealth tax on your money. Inflation has to be the sneakiest tax I've ever heard of.
That was what it was always intended to be. Inflation ISN't something that "just happens"; it was a planned "tax" from day one!
I believe you are wrong regarding allodial ownership of land, btw. While under natural law, you can't own land any more than you can own the sky, the water, or another planet, many places have not "tested" the lawfulness of allodial ownership. Moreover, if land is owned in allodium, it is not "granted" by the state. The state has no claim to the land. It is the equivalent of having your own island off the coast. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/20/2009 4:11:51 PM |
where do the banks fit in to all this?
Most of the money owed on the US national debt is owed to the banks, in particular to the FED, which is a privately owned bank and the entity that is really in charge in the US. Your government is in hock up to its a$$ to the FED (which is 57% Rothschild owned -- I forget how much the Rockefeller share is) and has just agreed to allow the IMF to "help" pull it out of the "muck". WATCH OUT!! Read about the IMF's history regarding "restructuring" troubled economies. Note also, that it seems to prefer dealing with fascist dictatorships, as many of its restructuring plans could be called "draconian" and a functonal democratic republic would be unlikely to implement such hardships on its people and get away with it.
Regarding land in the US, it was taken (mostly by conquest) from the native Indians, and so far as I'm aware, most of the states claim full title to it, though I imagine there were some land deals in which allodial title was transferred to private individuals in the early days. Such land ought to go at a premium, because no government could lawfully exercise "eminent domain" on it to seize it. They also can't charge tax on it, because they have no claim to it. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/20/2009 4:24:00 PM | Funny I was talking about the economy at work. The reason that we're not going to be the reserve currency is because that our credior nations hate the fact that we cut rates, and increase inflation cutting the amount that we've borrowed form them in half. I will have to go into more detail later.
It does look like the Amero, or N.American currency is going to be a fact and something that people within the nation are pushing for. Both side so the political spectrum. Again more to follow. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/20/2009 9:15:55 PM | | Watched a documentary last night on HBO called..."Rags to riches...riches to rags" which just about summed up the whole process we are living through. Documentary focused on the garment industry in New York. In the statistics included.. in 1995, 5% of clothing we wear was produced in the USA... after about75% in 1980. Get the picture? Is that freedom? Like one schmatta (rags) maker commented..."I waited and waited for the rest of the world to catch up with us...but it did not happen. How could I pay for my mortgage, etc...?" This refers to globalization and free trade ad naseaum. Yep we have the freedom to face the plunge that the countries producing the clothes we wear pay their workers...$5.00 a day or is a MONTH? We certainly are not free enough to stop this decline. Are we? | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/21/2009 2:32:56 PM | ^^^Along those lines it has destroyed my the western part of my state's economy. Which had a huge textile industry. NAFTA hurt us in (NC). Personally, I feel many of the clothes that are produced overseas, though are cheaper, are inferor. I mean the materials chosen, and woven don't hold up as well and in the end cost more money, because you constantly have to replace them. Give me a good pair of Levis, and a****es shirt that will hold up to the punishment that I put my clothes through.
An interesting book on the impact on Globalization is "The World is Flat" I have version 3.0. The authour identifies three big factors in the increase of globalization. The increase of outsourcing (using computer tech) the collapase of command economies (commuinsm/socialism) Eastern Block, Increase technological infastruture. North Americans have become lazy in protecting there freedoms, and will end up in a economic serfdom if they aren't careful. They must keep there manufacturing edge, and must not beleive the "developed economy" lie of service ecomonies. This will lead us into a debtor nation therefore beholdent to our creditors. Anyone that has been in debt will know exactly what I mean about the ecomomic slavery I speak of. | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/22/2009 8:06:03 AM |
This will lead us into a debtor nation therefore beholdent to our creditors. Anyone that has been in debt will know exactly what I mean about the ecomomic slavery I speak of.
There is no "will lead" about it...You are already there! You have been economic slaves (indentured servants) to the government since it declared bankruptcy in 1934 (it has been in receivership ever since). The recent (planned) economic crisis has forced a liquidation and that is what is happening now. The problem is, most of the US assets are in the people, many of whom are now unemployed and not worth very much to the investors. who have already mostly pulled out the means of production (and therefore the jobs).
What we now have in banker terms is a precipitous drop in the value of "human resources", so as far as they are concerned, a lot of the "useless eaters" are going to have to "go." (Does this explain the FEMA camps all over the country? -- Are they going to be slave labour camps (to extract that last bit of value out of them), or camps used to "liquidate" worthless assets?) | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/22/2009 3:11:04 PM | | FEMA camps? Dukky you're going to have to give me some hard evidence for that. However, for arugement sake, if such a camp existed it would be a place to house displace Americans after a major Katrina like disaster, until more permate housing could be found. Have you ever considered this might have been one of the lessons learned from the poor execution of the evaucation of New Orleans? | |
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| Do you believe that our world here in North America is too free?
Posted: 10/22/2009 3:28:55 PM | Hey dukky
Can you give me the specific location of just 1.. that would be ONE, such FEMA camp so I can see where it is.
I did some research on the subject and what I found out is that they were "out there, somewhere", but even the most ardent tinfoil hat conspiracists couldn't tell me specifically where they were. I did find a lot of the FEMA trailers for sale very cheap, usually under $5K.......... either brand new, or barely used. I am surprised that a lot of the conspirscists haven't scooped them up, bought 5 acres of high desert in Arizona and gone there to live in true freedom.......... AHHH what a life!
Paul K | |
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